er, one of the stories is related in order to distract the same russian viewer there, so that they do not ask unnecessary questions, so that they do not begin to understand that today the situation will change in such a way that their actions on the territory of ukraine can have an absolutely opposite asymmetric effect and, of course, the propagandists will try as much as possible to remove these fears of citizens, to remove the fears of business and other parties who participate in this in order to minimize the risks for the current government. bohdan, what about our air defense now? how much has it changed, has it become stronger, and your analysis at the moment is what we lack critically, how powerful it is now, because the numbers we see during mass attacks, well, they are quite convincing, 60-70 the last time we see that the

ukrainian to drown its defenses, and it is probably already partially anti-missile early, you can say that because at the beginning of the war, in fact, they did not have anti-missile defense, they only had an anti-aircraft component. it has significantly strengthened a-and , at the same time, there would be the supply of certain different systems, but unfortunately in small quantities, that is, today the main challenge is that we operate with a rather expanded fleet of air defense systems, which, together with this, are not unified. and that is, there may be single samples of these or other systems, and this, of course, complicates their possibility operation, this is related to the need to train personnel or retrain them too or another system, it is related to the need to repair, maintain, operate this or that equipment. and since it is all the same,

they are all different procedures, different regulations, and different the requirements for their operation, the equipment for this operation, and the most actual problem for me is precisely the ammunition, because the operation of a small number of such systems creates certain challenges for logistics, that is, the timely delivery of the appropriate missiles for air defense, from the other side, of course, we see that periodical, of course, massive attacks, etc., there are problems due to the fact that, er, the bay set is depleted to certain types of systems. and, of course , the effectiveness of knocking down certain objects can periodically reduce, in addition, if you are at all simple air defense, the so -called saturation parameter is critical, that is, in order to effectively cover this or that number of objects or this or that area of ​​the territory, it is necessary to have a certain critical number of e-e of different systems of different action, i.e. of short-range, medium-range and long-range

systems, that is, if we talk about short -medium range systems, that is, we have certain samples already received from western partners, but at the same time, the work remains critical so-called long-range systems. that is, in ukraine - this is the soviet s300 complex, to which the b-set also needs regular replenishment. that is why it is quite difficult to find all these missiles from these soviet complexes, and on the other hand - western models of such a long range that work on the distance there is 150, that is 200-300 km, unfortunately, we have not yet received an appeals expert and manager of the aviation sector. pavlo zhovnirenko was our guest. the chairman of the board of the center for strategic studies from sweden joins us. congratulations. good day good day tell us the blog of the free peoples of russia this is already the fourth meeting to

discuss the collapse of the russian federation what is this initiative in more detail and what is its main purpose eh this is really the fourth level of the meeting of this formula of free nations and if at the beginning they accepted eh eh, well, declaratory things, now we are talking about practical problems about solving the practical problems that the new formations of the country will face is that they will be formed here among the participants, no one doubts, well, the only thing what is the mandatory condition here, everyone sees the victory of ukraine over russia. and who is the initiator of this forum, well, that is, these are the nations that will be formed, the entities that are formed as a result of the disintegration of russia after the victory of ukraine now. who is the organizer of this forum? of this event. well, in

principle, this forum is more of a network if at the beginning there, that is, each forum has its own initiator, then someone initiates, then looks for money, that is, from those participants already. that is, they are representatives of different regions and different ethnic groups of russia, so this forum is held, you see, in different cities in different countries. who where found the opportunity to organize it there and is organized. and those who are represented now at this forum are precisely in sweden, the peoples of russia are represented by the chechens, of course, the kalmyks. the fact is that it is practically impossible to list them all well, there are a lot now, the only thing that i just watch is the far east, but they still participate online. that is, the buryats, yakuts , kalmyks, circassians are present here, ah, hmm, then

representatives of other countries are also present as guests, but i am a guest there and there are from ukraine from poland, representatives of other peoples, kubans, let's skip the cossacks, as they call it, and the non- germanic people, this is already a nation that we do not hear , for sure, there is no karelia well, that is, you need to look at the map of russia, there are many enough of these peoples , regions, and the peculiarity of this forum is that it is not only about the very definition in the people and about the very definition of the regions in the area of ​​russia, let's say yesterday it was accepted if the declaration adopted by the committee for the liberation of siberia on the creation of the siberian confederation was read, mr. pavla

i was not there. i was mistaken. i think i saw pavel klimkin, the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in the past, on a video. no. was i wrong? he was at the second forum in prague. and now i don’t see what was shown, but he was online. and what kind of representative mandate do these people have? because i understand , well, what the russians will appeal to. who are these people and where did they come from? who elected them to this forum? who delegated them? regarding the mandate, i would like to hear your opinion somewhere. these are people, these are representatives of public organizations of other e-e regions, of course, and of these or other ethnic groups, of course, which the majority do not find are not in russia, and especially those who advocate precisely for the independence of their regions , otherwise there would not be russia, what can one be happy because - and the people, the representatives of these peoples and

these regions, participate in the form, they think that it was possible to go to russia, it was possible to climb from kalmyk and the presynka of the kalvian people there before holding a vote to elect him and then he will go here. well, it's funny now, that's why these people are mostly not abroad. and there are some who are in russia and there are those who lead online with their faces covered, i'll kill you, but as for the face, make sure that the camera is you are more visible, because we don’t see you , to be honest, and then please continue, i’m just curious, mr. pavlo, and these are all organizations of theirs, there is a victory for ukraine, no other scenarios. they are not considering any parallel processes or inclusions . at this stage, they are simply considering the victory ukraine as the only most real chance to

free itself from colonialism, from it, from the empire, in the very near future, mr. pavla, or some kind of pro-clinic, we mentioned but he is a representative of the unofficial government, that is, the past government, in the shoulders of some official position of the current ukrainian possible foreign ministry some flowery note to the cabinet of ministers, some letter of appeal to the participants of this forum, or at all, if well, if there is any official position regarding the future forum of the free peoples of russia regarding the support of its activities i am asking the delegates, well, you know, there were no such letters in principle, but if you compare it with the first forum or the situation that was six months ago, and on the part of ukraine, there were no actions, no words, absolutely nothing a-a now we see, in principle, during this time what there was a recognition of the

chechen republic of ichkeria, the occupied territory of russia, this is very important, everyone is talking about it, it inspires representatives of peoples and regions during this time, what has already been missed on this forum, on this forum, what now people's deputies of ukraine are participating, oleg dunda, a deputy from the servant of the people, spoke, and by the way, the speech was very positive in that it was constructive, not just yes, a scientific and practical conference. how bad are the people of russia, but simply, as it were, a recommendation of the ways out, what is the fastest way to help in and in the victory of ukraine and ruslavization well, i called it the dismantling of russia, and here it is mainly about risks, if you are talking about the participation of our ukrainians, yes, that is why we are talking mainly about

helping methodically, just so that there is no euphoria eh, so that there would be constructivism, so that at this stage, the most important thing is that what is required of them now, and without this, there is nothing to even think about some kind of victory, their victory is what they should do if they unite by themselves to coordinate their activities to be tolerant towards each other now at this stage already agree on what the borders will be between them or between neighbors just agree right away then it will be easier because it is clear that moscow looks at all this very simply and will insert not only sticks and to throw bombs and mines in this er movements and efforts somehow er coordinates their actions and what you see er from their actions how do they participate what do they say they are capable of this tolerating agreements after dismantling er arrange their life and

coexistence. well, not all post-colonial peoples are capable of this, even after such a long period of occupation. well, you know how different things are, but common interest simply forces them to act in this way, i will not talk about the details of that that it is clear that we listen here listens not only ukraine, but there are moments when uh, it’s just the pain of the people. yes, we all ukrainians understand that they are being destroyed. they are practically gone. 20% of them have already remained in their historical territory. how do they get out? and you understood that such a person and you have ascetics. some radical thoughts arise in my head that can be implemented in some plans, although it is clear that there is no perspective here and just friendly help from

our side, the text from his colleagues help oh , very directly on the forum how to change this situation it's just that a person chooses that it is necessary to go, not checkers, but there is an understanding on the territory of russia of these peoples that they are now, well, in essence, disposed of by putin, first of all, that the disposal is taking place, well, indigenous peoples, first of all, and yakuts there, tuvans, not ethnic russians are meant i'm sorry, phrase the question in a different way so that i understand what you're talking about, ms. valevska, the identification of those who live there in russia now or who send their children to the war in ukraine so that putin simply disposes of and destroys. leningrad is also mobilizing. and i know this. now we have other issues under consideration and it is about the

future creation of a state in the ruins of the russian empire, that is, i can only talk about the results of some conversations with one person or another, but i'm sorry, i'm an analyst i cannot fully assess the situation in russia based on a conversation with one person or with two mothers. assess the situation in sweden, where you are. i understand how swedish society is in general, how do you communicate with people, how are they evaluated there and how much informed by what is actually happening now in ukraine during our war for independence. unfortunately, the forum's work schedule is so tight that there is practically no way for me to communicate with the swedes. well, in principle, how about sweden? i know. we all know that sweden is touran. it is an absolutely calm country. the only thing is that on the

streets, when you walk, there is no russian language, but what about me? there is a bit of cognitive dissonance here. this is what the people who speak do you hear the russian language ? yes, here we are on the forum. and they say practically the same thing that we say, what ukrainians say, that is, i have not heard such a thing for a long time when russians speak. not in clichés, well, those who only know russian are there the only thing they talk about is television, and they say it, brother, practically, out of an absolute understanding of the situation, and in russia itself, and er, in the war between russia and ukraine, it is tolerant, but nato very quickly asked after february 24, you understand , that is, completely different things feel dangerous here they are tolerant of those who are with them. it's one thing when a guest passes by or just a tourist who brings money to sweden, and another thing

when there might be a tank attack or that everyone in the norwegian pro- in the series and the occupied understand the diagnosis very well and we understand the difference , mr. pavlo. thank you pavlo zhovnirenko, chairman of the board of the center for strategic studies, currently in sweden there is a form-forum of the free peoples of russia, there they are discussing the scenarios of what will happen to the same peoples after the collapse of russia after the victory over her of ukraine this is worth talking about already now mr. pavlo is saying this and he is actually doing this thank you at the very end of this hour we will add a psychologist valentin who should be with us p for those valentina we congratulate you i congratulate you glory to ukraine give us for seed i would like mrs. valevska , also to ask interesting information came to us from sunny france, there president macron wrote to himself on twitter that now condoms

excuse me, contraceptives can this word be used in france french pharmacies to be distributed free of charge to the young part of the population, to all young people aged 18 to 25, in the 23rd year, condoms in pharmacies will be free of charge, macron wrote, congratulating the french youth, the french media noted that the head of state announced the innovation for the first time during a meeting of the national council for the restoration of health i am a nation, and i immediately have a question, valentin, here we are talking, here in olevska loves these words and jism, sexism, and there is the protection of rights, and where is the protection of my rights as a 47-year-old citizen. if i i was a citizen of france, why do they give condoms to a 25-year-old, i'm sorry, but not to a forty-seven-year-old, this sikhiv and what a twenty-five-year-old can't, he also works, isn't it agzm, mr. valentina, please explain to me, do you understand the info, you can

call it that, and there is a lot of infocentrism now political regimes focus their attention precisely on the rights of young people, because young people are a deficient category, there are not enough of them, that is why they have been worried about them for a long time, sometimes even with such things as free distribution of such means. maybe i am actually i'm just kidding, thank you, there are too many people like you and me, we shouldn't care too much, but 20-somethings or twenty-somethings may not be enough and we need to demonstrate something, another side is possible, it is necessary to attract this audience to the ranks supporters of macron. well, maybe yes. maybe there are some other questions, valentin, but i’m actually joking about this information. well, it ’s true, yes, but i’m kidding you about it, because

it seems to me that sometimes we are in all the protections of the rights of the old population or the young population or women or men, well, we're bending the stick a bit . don't you think so? maybe we're coming to some kind of limit beyond which it begins. well, there's already complete chaos in our heads and in our heads of representatives of our society. then we can talk about specific examples. don't you think this can be this can be that? what do you understand? what do we live in? it has become very complicated. it has become very complicated. in recent decades, a huge number of relevant questions regarding age, gender, behavior have appeared. the level of requirements for being tolerant, and society does not yet have the experience of tolerance at such a level. and it has no borders. you see , the problem lies in the fact that we grope

these borders because of the actions and events that we arrange. we still do not know what is reasonable. stupid in this matter we are still wrong in enough to look at these scandals in american society regarding behavior towards blacks to women to actresses to actors to hentai yes there society on matsuo these new borders let's see where they will go in the future, but on the other hand, this week we had a lot of scandals in social networks, they call these fireworks in different ways. well, when people there actively start commenting on something, someone is for someone against e there are journalists p on the 1st channel, they showed their navels, their legs there . someone didn't like me there. well, who thinks that he has the right to speak his opinion here, when it concerns women, except for able-bodied adults, to demonstrate why men can't

to take a picture, i will not ask anyone if i can do it or not, it can be posted there in our country on the page, er, well, valentine, but on the other hand, what is happening in our country is similar to what happens in the states, it is a sign of democracy and that's right , there is no such thing in russia, lavrov said that these are not humane toilets, which means not humane. it seems to me that this is not so much a sign of democracy as it is a sign of the search for a new morality. our society is transforming very quickly, and the war has accelerated these processes and it is changing in us. and the picture of the world in we are changing the idea of ​​who should be a moral lever, a moral authority, yes, in my opinion, we fined a case with a new year tree in kyiv, er, when a petition to ban it appeared, then a meeting appeared for a petition to allow it, and it is very interesting there was a speech by mr. klitschko,

who said that we turned to the military and the military told us yes, what does this indicate that the military has become that social category that is the bearer of the authority of the moral norm of the moral and ethical yes and this is evidence of the fact that in society, first of all, has a sufficiently high level of trust in the military, and secondly, there is a change in moral authorities and our society is shaky, and these conflicts that arise on social networks are also evidence of a shaky society. we are not yet normal, we are still looking for new borders, new red eyes lines and new boundaries that can or cannot be crossed, and we have not yet agreed on where they will lie, so there are such scandals, but we are now closer to what kind of world, considering these scandals and how you study all of this, look at it as a researcher, how do they happen and in what forms do they take place,

is there excessive aggression in your opinion, definitely , definitely there is, the answer to the first question is that we are closer to the western world, of course, we do not have piety, before the leaders, we are still prone to such a depth of people's and cossack democracy. on the one hand, on the other hand, it is really a very high level of aggression, and it is quite understandable. why, because there is a war, a huge number of people cannot aggression which she sees from the side of russia, she cannot answer accordingly. sorry for the tautology, yes, that is. when i see how the russians are bombing kyiv or zaporizhzhia or some other cities, how ukrainians are dying, i feel the accumulation of aggression inside me and channel it into me. well, i may not have enough skills.

there are not enough opportunities because i, for example, am not at the front, there are no volunteers, and there is a feeling of aggression, there is no outlet for it, and then the cascading process begins. pen pals on facebook yes, they are starting to look like this excuse me, shit, that's why the level of aggression in our society is really very high, it's quite understandable why, but it does not reduce the danger of this aggression, it is a problem that then after the war well, now we have to decide whether and after the war it will be it seems to me that the problem is in the top. what specific advice do you have, so as not to fall into this word that you said, how to behave, maybe there is some kind of media hygiene, well, thank you for using this term, because journalists are not very familiar with it. they like it, yes, media hyena should be, first of

all, that a person should limit access to social networks and news to himself. we should protect ourselves from excessive awareness of awareness. but they should not take up all the space in our lives, and the problem sometimes is that a person becomes addicted to telegram publications and he can not get out of them. hygiene is first and second, but sublimation is the mother of all progressive and positive skills like andriano celentano or chopping wood or ringing a bell or doing good deeds, you understand we need aggression - it's energy it's not bad you need to write a comment street this is meverin. this is how to improve the

skill of writing comments so that they are interesting not only to the person you are writing to, but also so that they collect domes of likes there, for example , yes, that is, try to reach the top - to achieve this the social level of recognition is to develop the skill of processing information to develop the skill to ground yourself take your time and not tolerate unpleasant comments be tolerant we can develop many skills unfortunately we do not have such a universal all- ukrainian method by which we could engage in this media uh, hygiene at the state level, and it would be nice to do this, by the way, i wanted to say such a media shchekavitsa so when we are on this background, all such a media orgy is happening well, i recently some kind man wrote, uh, i wrote a post there for sure. well, you're a fool, and that's all there is a period, but

i think i have to say dear, thank you for your opinion , i'll allow you to disagree with me, well, that is, to write somehow more deeply, you advise so, uh, we we can write more deeply, we can not answer, you know, there is such a phrase, yes, experience, yes, life experience is when you understand how large a number of people or events are, you just don't need to react to them, yes , they are unworthy, let's put it this way: your attention or your comment they will still be happen a person said and forgot and you continue to bear uh this insult uh after tens of hours or even days before you want to answer something, we are vulnerable enough to e social opinions from how we are evaluated by people we don't know and whom we will never see yes, and we need to train this tolerance for other people's opinion and independence from other people's opinion, but here we really

need some kind of media methodology that will help us understand what is right and what is wrong, because the problem is that we know which behavior is correct is it correct to always answer or is it wrong yes or is it correct to switch to insults and troll at the highest level yes or is it necessary to just close the tape and really go chop wood or clean the house mr. pavlo well and uh at valentina’s i apologize valentine’s day psychologist with us nav yazku p valentin and do you think that the influence of social networks is not too exaggerated? we live in our bubbles and think that everything is society in the same way, but it lives in this bubble and cooks in the same broth as us, but in fact you go out on street a there are completely different problems and problems there with sexism and irzhism definitely occupy some 25th role in the lives of ordinary ukrainians, and many of them are 90%. well,

maybe 70, i don’t even know what sexism is, what kind of concept is it, do we use facebook too much in this society and glorify it? well, maybe maybe, but then we are not alone. trying to control them, just look at the chinese regime and the russian regime to other regimes that are trying to ban this or that social network why because a social network is a tool and everything depends on who is in whose hands yes if there are clear rules if there are clear rules then this tool is clear and transparent yes then this tool is not dangerous for people or for society, on the contrary, it helps people to concentrate, gather, well, remember at least the end of 2013, how

huge processes took place in facebook, thanks to which the maidan well, you can say that it won yes, but it still got a huge help from the ability for people to very quickly gather and share news alternative to those that were at that time on almost all tv channels of ukraine, the same happened in russia yes. for some time, but, well, not very long. yes , on the other hand, if some person or political force tames the social network, we cannot underestimate its influence, because the evil will is hidden . it can control society and make it a very powerful tool of its own interests, and who knows what these intro-interests are for will prove p valentina thank you very much for participating in our broadcast valentin who was the psychologist with us yehor chicherina my name is anna valevska and