some obligations, and at some point we simply could not politically implement these obligations because we were drunk on the internal political conflict in ukraine, because neither poroshenko nor zelenskiy would have seen the actual capitulation and the purpose of which are the minsk papers regarding the fact that germany is e in germany it is worth thanking well, it is possible for germany to build nord stream-2 to obtain gas and energy resources with russia at dumping prices for german industry for those financial and industrial groups that supported the personal mrs. merkel, this is of course a big, uh, big gain. but for ukraine, which in fact during this time received uh, putin's army, armed , modernized, the putian invasion army, which was able to modernize over these years, since the 15th year,

in fact, at the expense of moneymakers, came from the pro- sales of energy resources, including to a greater extent to germany, therefore ms. merkel can be indirectly considered a sponsor of the invasions regarding whether the west and nato were ready for a possible frontal attack. i believe that then russia was not was ready for fantasy yes yes then it was possible to give five and the west had the political will and resources to resist russian expansion the west then already certain conclusions from the situation with georgia in 2008 and regarding the fact that here is 2007-2008 the story ukraine's entry into nato, i would like to remind you, first of all, that nato's plan for ukraine was talked about way back in 2003 and

that there was no political agreement under mrs. merkel. well, actually speaking , this is also not true. opposition to euro-atlantic integration was first of all from germany and then from pro-russian political groups in other countries of the european union. at a certain point, germany was more against ukraine's entry into the eu in spite of why hungary is now hungary is the main obstacle for ukraine in its senate and on that time germany and france to a greater extent germany did not give us the green street before that created more and more against m-m against you and stimulating factors talked about associate membership talked about the possibility a protracted process, a delayed political decision, and similar things, and writings told us that we are not ready, not ready for the criteria of democracy

and economic power, not ready for the criteria of the armed forces, and to some extent we did our homework due to corruption, but in general, even the german experts who were currently examining the ukrainian army they say that ukraine was ready in all positions, the main positions of membership in nato and in the military sphere, in the field of control of the military organization of the armed forces in 2014 a year, the problem was ready, there will be p. vitaliy, thank you , let's move on to other issues, let's move on to international politics . with putin, they met like this every year, well, at least in december of last year. that was exactly the case and there was a plan for this december as well, but he refused this plan and

refused. i understand enough. so in on the eve of this summit, what does this indicate and what geopolitical consequences will it have, well, it is alleged that the meeting broke down but i think that the consequence is quite serious, please hear me, yes, there is a consronological version of this story, why in fashion did he refuse to meet with putin the point is that a medical astrologer is known in certain circles and, as i joke, some european and indian paper workers say that after seeing a certain forecast for the development of russia, he decided that it is not worth contacting such a dial, if you are serious, actually speaking russian pension policy, it causes concern even in india, which for a long time kept aloof and held on to the priority regarding the war in ukraine.

india buried the oil of the russian federation in india. there is a limit to this, and it is obvious that when russia begins to threaten with a nuclear collective strike , it cannot go in line with the policies that mr. modi professes to you, he constantly talks about it about the impossibility of using such weapons, the nuclear bifurcation, the reduction of a-a military about er-er certain terminological orders of international relations tax and at the moment well, i will say absolutely steep character as though even in fashion there is no er-er political gain from this

certain pro-russian sing to the city societies which, by the way, with less than that, it is enough to remember that india is economically tied not to russia, india is economically tied to the country of measures and depends on what is working in the active mechanism works, to get along with the event, to lose the markets, to dress up your own and to the corporation and the application of the opposite state, which is not willing to do so. actually, we have the cancellation of this summit, and we also have such a cooling of relations and the distance between delhi and the post- local thank you mr. vitali, well, let me remind you that zhirynovsky will still leave years ago he said that a russian soldier would wash his boots in the indian ocean, obviously implying that russian soldiers can still reach india, probably in india they also remember this today, the

ball of russian politics. thank you vitaliy kulyk for participation in our program vitaliy kulyk was with us center for researching civil society problems is represented and headed by tetyana pechonky pechonchyk joins i apologize the head of the board of the human rights center mr. tetiana we congratulate you good day so today, december 10, is the day of human rights in ukraine, with mr. zelensky , the president of ukraine signed the corresponding decree please tell me what this holiday is about, what should be understood, remember today, remember, yes, on this day, the general declaration of rights was adopted person and from that time actually to the whole world and marks the international day for the protection of human rights today, december 10, and yesterday president zelenskyi also issued a decree with which december 10 is also a public holiday in ukraine, that is, it is issued and the international called the investigation of the

international criminal court in selective justice in ukraine, as our commissioner for human rights dmytro glubinets called and said that ms international continues to buy the remnants of its reputation, what do you think about the activities of this organization and to what extent it adequately assesses what is happening now in ukraine. i mean the russian-ukrainian war and the consequences of torture victims among the civilian population, please international is a very old and respectable human rights organization . nations of the osce and others, they absolutely live in the paradigm of the old world in the post-war world and the world that arose after the second world war

. they are in such an old paradigm, and in fact emnosty international also worked in ukraine and their ukrainian team worked quite well before their work, we had no questions, but in the summer after emnosty international issued a report that the ukrainian side was violating international humanitarian law by placing its of the military in schools and after the scandal that arose after that, the head of the ukrainian office, oksana pokalchuk, resigned, and many members of the ukrainian national team also left. the international community, in principle, they also make a lot of reports on russian war crimes, but now they pay less attention to it, in particular, and they ms. tetyana, what is known about the detention

of our prisoners, the volyn residents, there are about 150 citizens of ukraine, including civilians informed our sportsman and what is known about it now, under what conditions in general, is there any information from there, actually there is not much information from there, and the difference is that the human rights organizations are from those people who were previously released, our greens in particular, the organization documented in detail the case when 34 volunteer drivers who tried to deliver humanitarian aid to mariupol when mariupol was surrounded and in fact the russians at the checkpoint were detained in the spring and placed in the ulanivka, where they stayed until july, and in july they succeeded release most of them and the same from other people who have been there, and we know that there are

no minimum conditions of proper agreement with people, people are not given enough to eat they don't drink, they don't provide medical help, the food is often rotten or moldy, people are often cooked there, and there is also a well -known case when an explosion took place there, according to previous omissions. well, without access there, it is also difficult to investigate the crime, but a number of details indicate that it was a planned execution of prisoners of war, and also olenivka is only one of many strong freedoms that the russian federation is the federation receives our citizens, but also in the newly occupied territories, but also in the territory of the russian federation, and here, if we are talking

in particular about civilians, then it is a war crime to receive civilians, because in fact they are hostages of a terrorist country, because in conditions of war, a party neither of the parties can keep the tsiv, it is permissible to keep only prisoners of war and keep them in proper conditions, of course all this does not happen, in particular, for ms. tetyana’s jubilee, we spoke yesterday with yevhen sakharov, the head of co-founder of the kharkiv helsinki group of the kharkiv human rights group. we talked with him about the facts of the genocide that the russians are committing in ukraine. he said that on a national level on a national scale . the facts are obvious. well, in particular, he mentioned there about the fatigue of anything, and in particular, we talked about ukrainian children, that about 12,000

ukrainian children were forcibly taken to russia. there they forcibly adopt and this is also one of the signs of internationally recognized genocide against against a certain nation against a certain country and our problem. if these children were here and were not adopted, then this is also our problem, including the fact that they were left to fend for themselves. no one was able to take them out of the occupied territories organized by the russians. finally, yesterday, the prosecutor general of ukraine, andriy kostin, announced the figure of 13,000 deported children, but he also noted that this is a statistic that is actually not complete, because it is very difficult to find out and document the full number of ukrainian children who were deported by russia,

but i want to remind you that russia did not start committing this crime after february 24, but much earlier, when it occupied the autonomous republic of crimea, there were also a certain number of institutions where boarding school children were kept. where were orphans and these children, ukraine itself has lost any information about what happened to them later, they were adopted by apparently russian families, and cases are also known when , because of this adoption, children's names, surnames, and even dates of birth can be changed, that is, it is extremely difficult afterwards establish in general to find these children, and of course that this is one of the components of the crime of genocide. and when russia actually erases the identity of ukrainian children, and this happens

not only through deportations, but also what we have observed all these years, for example, in the occupied crimea and also what we observe in other new territories occupied by russia is that they ah first when else do they do and after they capture a certain territory, they usually set up prisons there, but they also change the educational programs, in fact, they transfer everything to russian standards and even russian officials declared that ukrainian deported children do not speak russian well enough, they need to be relearned. that is, it is equal, it is a sign of such a crime as genocide, of course it is more difficult to prove than war crimes and crimes against humanity because it is necessary to prove the motive, namely the intention to destroy a certain national group in this case, but there is already

quite a lot of data compiled by which ukrainian human rights defenders and state authorities can have a strong position in international courts regarding the proof of the crime of genocide committed by of the russian federation on the territory of ukraine, but we know that even the russian authorized representative under the president of russia for the rights of the child maria lvova bilova adopted a ukrainian child actually abducting her from mariupol, a kidnapped child and in general contributed to the illegal installation of 350 children from donbass, so she said verbatim that i saw her son when a group of 31 children was evacuated from mariupol, belova stated at the press conference of our place there, i reported about it and in general and in the world, this maria lviva bilova travels abroad. she probably communicates with similar child protection authorities in europe, somewhere in america. is this a person under sanctions, that is, how much are these people deal with the signs of genocide in general in the hands

of the world in the civilized world and they want to go to a rather limited circle of countries in the world and new new sanctions are constantly being introduced against russian high-ranking officials who are involved in the crime of aggression crimes against humanity war crimes on the territory committed by russian troops on the territory of ukraine and here, if we are talking about children, i would like to add, unfortunately, very dramatic facts about the fact that, in addition to deportation, the erasure of the identity of ukrainian children, adoption of ukrainian children by russian families. we also have two and a half thousand criminal proceedings opened by the prosecutor general's office based on the facts of war crimes committed against children, and as of today at least 443 ukrainian children were killed, and in the course of russian armed aggression, unfortunately, this number is also not final

since we do not have just a part of the territory and when the ukrainian authorities occupy, for example , the city of mariupol, we can only think with horror and assume how many more new cases murders of individual children will be opened there, ms. tetiana, and as far as we understand from the information, there are even statistics of torture against children in the liberated o-o-o territories of the de-occupied territories, what we have already seen in those catteries eh please tell me that torture was really used and children there, as a rule, this concerned teenagers who were also abducted by the russian occupying forces or security forces, as well as adults, and indeed, for example, our organization, the center for human rights, conducting a number of field missions, released territories of the kherson region as well as the kharkiv and

donetsk regions, we documented and ourselves also found such facts when, in fact, there were violent disappearances of illegal deprivation of liberty of teenagers and also the use of illegal violence and torture in relation to such children, and in general we can say that these are not isolated facts because children suffer, in particular, it is also known that the office of the prosecutor general investigates cases of sexual violence against ukrainian children, and in addition, it is possible that in fact, our entire generation of our children is traumatized because they were not able to receive a normal education, go to school, have a peaceful life , and millions of ukrainians were forced to either go abroad, and these are often families with children, and those who remained are often voiced to go in a

bomb shelter during air raids, and of course they suffer due to the fact that due to the psychological impact of war, due to the fact that families also lose their relatives and loved ones at the front, lose parents, lose other close family members, therefore, it will be distant the consequence of the war is actually a whole generation of our children who grew up in the conditions of this war. thank you, ms. tatyana, for telling our broadcast about these important figures, today is human rights day, december 10. zelensky signed the corresponding decree. of human rights well , volodymyr kondrashov, the spokesman of the state service for special communications and information protection of ukraine, is already joining us, mr. volodymyr, we welcome you, congratulations, glory to ukraine, we recently read the news here that everything possible is being done in

state special communications if nothing happens and what we call a complete blackout, the connection was kept for three days uh-uh what is being done for this what is it really real a-a yes of course it is real a-a i would like to remind you that 26- on november 1, a decision of the national security and defense council was adopted. on the same day, it was put into effect by the decree of the president of ukraine on the reservation of a specified list of electronic communications facilities, that is, facilities of electronic communications providers. operator so is our television, radio, hmm, on reservation for at least three days, it is clear that we only have endurance for three days, this means that for at least three days, in cases of complete blackouts, long-term blackouts, we will be provided with communication a-a will be provided with communication, the key nodes of mobile operators will be provided with the broadcast of e-e five

radio stations in the fm range as well as medium waves , that is, in particular, ukrainian radio, and the operation of the transmitters of the broadcasting concern will be provided of radio communication television, which actually provides the broadcast of a single marathon, that is, the connection is already reserved, mobile operators are continuing the process of reserving basic states , that is, we are not talking about three days and after which the connection is there in case of what may fall, we are talking about at least three days of stable operation of the networks of the key points of such networks. does this apply to ordinary subscribers, how will it affect the availability of internet connections for ordinary consumers, if we are talking about mobile communications, yes, users they will actually be able to use mobile communication. it may not be available everywhere , the coverage may be less, however, key base

stations will be provided, according to information from our colleagues from mobile operators. in cases of long-term blackouts, it may not be available how widespread is the mobile internet, but the ability to use the voice schedule, the ability to send sms messages, it will be provided. i would also like to remind you that you already points of invincibility will be uh now everything is being done so that access to the mobile internet access to the savvy internet access to mobile communication was ensured today we are doing everything possible and impossible in order to reserve that is to provide certain additional power sources for such eh - it is precisely in order for citizens to stay in touch, as well as the fact that i would like to remind you that in ukraine national roaming has been launched, that is, the possibility

of using the network of another operator if your network is available for some reason and i would like to also urge citizens to use mobile communication sparingly to consume video content via mobile networks, e.e., not to consume large files, turn off the auto-download of files in messengers , because this is again, especially when the light is turned off, it directly affects the e-e network work, their endurance, especially mobile volodymyr planned the operators in this way. well, i don't know what will happen in the case of a partial or complete blackout, and now, as of today, i will tell you, leader irpiny, the light goes off, it goes off there more often than it turns on. that is, there is light somewhere for 2-3 hours a day and there is no other time, and everything is not that there is no mobile internet. it is impossible to make a call. the phone does not work. why is this situation happening even today? can you explain ? that the base stations are powered by the power grid from, respectively, the

connection disappears and we disappear, i'm sorry, the power supply disappears, the connection disappears, each base station before the start of a full-scale invasion in accordance with the standards that existed before february 24 it had a certain margin of safety. that is, it was backed up by batteries that should have worked for about three hours. however, today, when the lights go out, when there is no access to the fixed internet, citizens begin to use the mobile network much more actively for e-e data transmission e for mobile traffic and accordingly margin of safety let's say that such a base station is 20-30 minutes, unfortunately, not all of them have access to diesel generators, access to some backup power sources, we are very the extensive network of these base stations is not all of them physically. it is possible to quickly provide generators, accordingly, the connection disappears in such cases, which we can recommend in such

cases, we recommend, first of all, to pay attention to fixed communication, that is, to landline phones uh, if the operator's pbx is located on an energy-requiring site, that is , somewhere on the uh, for example, you talked about irpin, uh, in one area, you have no electricity there, for example, in the city , but your pbx is located somewhere outside the city limits and it is connected to the power supply, does it have the same generators, and there is much more reserved, you will have the opportunity to use a fixed connection, yes, thank you, but you said that for three days, even in blackout conditions, the mobile connection will also function, and what will change if it no longer exists, what will change then when the blackout is complete , like these stations that are not working today after turning off the lights, they will resume work, why is it hot here again, uh, the secret is actually in the key points. that is, we are talking about key nodes of mobile operators, the construction of a mobile network, a

mobile network is formed in such a way that there are base stations let's say it is normal, there are base stations defined in the word nodes, base stations on which the work of these other base states of these base stations depends, these base stations will be reserved unambiguously. that is, this is a decision that must to the implementation of the military during the martial law by all e-e communications operators that is, we do not ask, we actually demand, we prove to the indian public that it should be done with them and as a result we help them to do it now uh we understand that now the dependence of mobile communication on uh on electricity supply it is extremely high and we try to minimize dependence every day we meet with the operator of telecommunications providers uh at all levels every day this work is ongoing with the help of our international partners to provide generators to provide certain alternative other

power sources, it continues uh, of course we cannot talk about full recovery and availability of mobile communication as it was before the full-scale invasion because we understand that uh we understand the state of the energy industry of our we we understand that uh in ukraine more than 26,000 base stations of mobile communication reserve all of them in such a short period well, it's just physically impossible, volodymyr. is there any alternative in mobile communication? we have good old landline telephones. what percentage is left? i don't know if the network has survived . in fact, about 1.2 million e-e station subscribers of stationary so-called e-e communication lines, i.e. subscribers who have a fixed telephone, were preserved in ukraine, and today we are recording

again the growth of demand e for such services because people return so yes, people are returning to this type of communication. today, we even know about a queue of several thousand people who want to connect a landline phone again, and this method of communication, as i mentioned earlier, will work in the event that the pbx has and it as as a rule, it has additional power sources, and it requires much less power than that of the base station, and in addition, in territories, for example , on which blows can be delivered to the occupiers , such a connection is probably in a certain way even more profitable, since in most cases fixed lines of communication the connection goes in the cable channel of telecommunications, that is, they are hidden underground earlier. such a method was refused, it was clear, it was a-a unnecessary er-er in many many places and plus such networks because they

built on mussels on a copper cable, they were a piece of cake for thieves, for metalists, yes, for thieves, and today, yes, yes, it can also be used as a reliable source of supply. they were determined there in a separate way. i will not say how we have complaints about this, well , god be with him, they were determined for us, our television companies will not give them light, just so that people know, we are not included in this list of these five, they belong to well-known people to the influential people there, not quite the poor people of ukraine. somehow it will be financial. then, well, the state will be compensated by the private ones. i am not talking about the socially conditioned and other tv companies - this is private