the american groups that are pressuring bakhmut will just go back through the flint re rubezhnoe and towards luhansk, this is the optimal option, mr. roman, here i am after the break, you wash your mouth with soap, but i will ask this question now. well, let's imagine the worst the option is they break through near bakhmut and what next what is the strategic significance of the water okay well let's imagine that they will restore these uh water lifting stations and so on and live you will start in the water donetsk and from the point of view of the military if they are breaking through on this part of the front, what is it giving them, what are they, where are they, where is the development, because the impression is that there is no development anywhere else. well, they broke through here and where next and next. well, the second

phase of the ukrainian defense is there, well, we have it too we also think there. we also have a general staff no worse than in russia, well, from a military point of view. that is, if we do not take any political points , from a purely military point of view, a breakthrough is not a withdrawal of our troops . by the way, this is the line of defense there will be a water supply because that is a water supply, that is, it is several tens of meters of water, a well-dug roll is running next to this water supply, and there is a road, which is quite good, an asphalted road, that is, in principle, this is a good fortified area , that is, they will stop unnykh, that is, behind the bachmut they they will stick to the water supply, they will stick to the uh-uh slavic kramatorsku group, which will return the agglomeration, which is three times larger, even probably four times larger than bakhmut, that is, they uh-uh, even more hemorrhoids go when if

they will take bakhmut and move on somehow, that is, in principle, from a military point of view, they will gain absolutely nothing , only some political step can be taken, no more than that, they will naturally not receive water , because they simply will not be able to perform certain actions - this self -watering system will become a line of defense and of course a front as such, therefore even more of it will be born and donetsk will probably never see water again in this life, well, in such a quantity as it was, that is, in principle from a military point of view absolutely nothing will happen if our troops go, let's say, in the direction of slavyansk or kramatorsk . the only minus is that then slavyansk and kramatorsk are also a large agglomeration, it will come under the fire of the army master of artillery. now , at the moment, along the bakhmuta, that is, eastern , southeastern yuzhnaya parts of the bahmut appear as a line of

defense, then the whole city to a depth of 15 km is destroyed. mariupole, that is, the army horta practically destroys the city, then the breakthrough of the russians in the area of ​​bakhmut and they will not stop in slavyansk, in kramatorsk they will also redraw slavyansk kramatorsk now they have broken and repainted bakhmut sleeps from their point of view and does not acquire anything except new hemorrhoids naturally and we can just if we hand over bakhmut, that is, to the people of bakhmut, we can already lose slavyansky kramatorsk, not in the sense of handing over, but in the sense of what will be delivered there, where these two cities will be delivered army artar uh, one more question, mr. roman , look ah, i was listening, i don't remember who they

gave an interview to whom, and i would like to clarify, we have to wait for the cold weather we have to wait, but you say that there is a road somewhere, but there isn't roads, the development of events can be where there is frozen ground, and where there is no underbrush , where there are swamps, or autumn eyes, you cannot move there, in principle, ukrainians should pray that the temperature in those parts is minus or plus, so that it is easier to advance or warm up more, because it is such also, the choice in war is not easy, but it's all about war time of year, that is, at the moment we have to pray that there will be a frost. when there will be a frost, it will all be frozen somewhere, a layer of 50 cm. when the ground freezes, everything is practically asphalt

in any direction for tanks and wheeled ones. therefore, at the moment, the best option for us - this is frost in order to freeze and if it's a plus, then it's a plus then it's dry, that's dry, in the dry sense without moisture there are such things, well, it's very rare, precisely at this time of the year, because it's the best option for us - it's now frost, if there will be frost, we when can we move towards the sea of ​​azov towards the crimea, if we don't have frost there will be slush, then the movement to the crimea will have to wait until it freezes in the winter in the winter the winter season one more question conversations can you confirm or deny the possibility of receiving heavy tanks from nato from the americans from the germans, uh, people who are experts more than me, and i am not an expert at all, i will say that this is just

a component of the offensive, tanks are not a component, this is not part of maintaining the front, this is pushing the front to what extent does this correspond to reality, to what extent do your informants or your knowledge suggest that these supplies of these tanks are possible and they say that there are a lot of them when they say 100 200 - this is really a lot. defense, especially fortune-telling, explodes and they are used as a point of fire, because any tank, even a hundred-year-old tank, can be used as a defense, in principle, any tank is a weapon that can be used even in a stable state in the quality of certain artillery as such , that is, a tank, if it can hit up to 10-12 km with a canopy

, it can be used, but the tanks that are needed we need a tank, of course, for a breakthrough , the t-73, which we already have now, will be suitable for us well, the russians helped us, and the poles and the czechs, slovakia, that is, in principle, we got the t-73 , which is pretty good, and what are our partners talking about now? interesting information appeared on one of the sites. at first, the germans talked about what they were without american supplies of abramsov, their leopards will not give the second one. why are the leopard and the sabor correlated themselves? these are two heavy tanks - these are 60-ton tanks, but some of them are modifications of 66 tons. this is a very heavy tank. the average tank is the t-72 standard 40 t. one and a half times heavier. well, it’s very good

. it’s just right for the breakthrough of almost a company of tanks. it can break through the front of that level. let ’s say the same. front and further, mm will somehow bring down such tanks, which we are now talking about, abram sigel’s party, so that’s what happened, what was interesting when the information came in first, uh, old information from the americans that they had decided to transfer to me 116 more hundred tanks the pole, and abrams, that is, the poles must receive from the americans, the congress confirmed the transfer to poland of more than a hundred abrans, eh, and literally within a week there was information that the americans had allowed the germans to transfer the second or second, and eh , the germans confirmed this, that is

germany confirms the transfer to us of a couple of hundred leopard ii, this is practically three tank regiments , that is, in principle, it is quite good - not bad , it is possible to say that on three fronts, it will be enough for us to carry out certain breakthroughs, at least the tasks of a tank regiment, three tank battalions, there are roughly 30 tanks , a battalion, that is, a company of 10 tanks, three years, a battalion of 30 tanks, three battalions, a regiment of 100 tanks, it depends on vladislav seleznyo, an expert colonel of the armed forces of ukraine, and if i see it, i will make sure that it has joined, if i see it, it means it has joined. listen to my absolutely idiotic question, because everyone is talking

about shells, tanks, planes. world war i remember the supply of the allies to a huge amount, as if not military, yes, as if it were in the court of beckers, well , there is something there, high-quality aviation gasoline, and so on and so on, without it, as if the secondary first line does not work. we never we are talking about such household things. yes, we are all worried when there are queues in gas stations in lviv or kyiv. there are no problems with gasoline in the ukrainian army now. tons and tons and dozens and hundreds of tons. i can't even imagine how much it takes at one gas station and how much it drives at this gas station . congratulations, mr. vladyslav. well, first of all, you, mr. mykola, as

always, ask not very convenient questions, because of course we all focus your attention to the amount of ammunition of artillery systems of anti-aircraft defense means of the same tanks and airplanes, of course, the blood of the army is fuel, and of course the ukrainian army now requires very large volumes of the same fuel to ensure the movement of our equipment, and by the way, i would like to turn would pay attention to the position of the countries that are part of the northern socialist alliance in general to the position of nato, which constantly consists in the fact that it is not ready to transfer weapons for the needs of the ukrainian army, but it never says that it i will not transfer fuel pressure and this option does not work, plus there are also relevant inter-state agreements, for example, between ukraine and the government of azerbaijan regarding the supply of fuel - this is very important, there are other processes aimed at ensuring a stable supply of fuel and other types of technical to provide for the needs of the

ukrainian army, because it is obvious that you are completely economical, but there will be no fuel in the tank, it will become due to the collision of the russian-occupation arma , which was operating on the right bank of the dnieper, not far away from kherson, because a lot of military equipment was driven there, but it did not have the opportunity to move forward, because the sleeping bag constantly encountered certain problems, because all the bridges were under the important control of the ukrainian defense villages, accordingly, gas trucks were often densely lit on those bridges like those christmas candles, so of course the appropriate logistics services of the ukrainian army are working on this case in order to ensure the same fuel and other technical support of vladislav and then mr. roman, we know. surely this engels is a wonderful leader of communist ideas, and something flew there. someone was smoking badly. i don’t know what happened there, but then they say they moved

the planes. we understand where to expect possible attacks from now. where did they move because that’s what the experts told me. they say that they flew to the caspian in general and launched fairy tales just to encrypt the location of the base so that they did not launch from near the base, so they flew somewhere to the south and already there on this one we launched over the caspian missiles to ukraine, we now understand where these missile carriers are located. can the americans tell us where? where next time they will not light a cigarette before dark after the new year, mr. vladyslav, well, it is known that the same planes escaped somewhere in the territory of the murmansk region, there they also have a corresponding infrastructure for the deployment of strategic branders, there are still a number of airports further out there on the territory of the

russian federation, but uh, regarding the tactics of financing strategic aircraft, svitlana will tell - she will tell much better than me, he is in a professional expert on exactly these issues, and first of all, as for whether ukrainian air defense equipment sees the movement of enemy aircraft like this, it is obvious that the ukrainian army has even more air and missile defense equipment directly from the launchers , we will do much better, but besides moreover, the fact that the ukrainian army sees the movement of enemy planes, we also have the appropriate communication with our western partners with some british and american intelligence, so the russians are only thinking badly and will to plan the next missile volume of the territory of our country. we will be the first to learn about it, mr. roman, as a specialist. so, we now know that somewhere in the murmansk region, in addition to e-e, in addition to e-e submarines , severomorsk-yeverodvinsk and so

on , bases were always located there, and the russian of the surface fleet there are still and now planes from engels how much does it change something for us how much do we have to worry more worry less worry something can ask the americans from the europeans how does it affect us from engels to of the murmansk region, if this is true, our radio-technical intelligence works very well, so we actually know where every ship and strategist is, and we know it ourselves and with the help of our partners, that is, each strategic bomber is under certain control and we know where each in fact, they have moved closer to the base, and what about the nuclear storage bases, there are certain moments, they mainly work on tactical moments. and the strategic part is that

including transportation of aircraft of this level to the north and beyond the urals, in principle, we only get one . mmm peace for the destruction of missiles eh, they took off from engels, this saratov is nearby, this is the volga, further down, this is the caspian, that is, uh, why did they turn around and reset the missiles, so that the missiles there often did not start, that is, the systems did not work launch the missiles themselves, they simply fell into the caspian sea so that they would not be dropped above the ground, that is, the moment was, in principle, for safety

; they, er, they have systems for refueling in the air, they mine the same money with the airfield mode, feel free to use it, that is, even after landing there, loading the rocket already in the er range and further launch further from the caspian sea, that is, in principle, er - that's a problem she didn’t disappear, well, for us it’s just a plus , now they are, er, at least for a few hours, we will first recognize these er bombers at the start, i thank vladislav seleznev and the novel dawn. i would still talk and ask and talk, but the united the states are on the wire, as they once said, so i have to thank mr. vladislav roman for what was explained to us here and i hope for fruitful meetings in the future oleksandr motyl, historian, political scientist, professor at rudger university, united states.

i saw closer seconds. if i see it, i will ask a question. good health, mr. oleksandr, thank you very much for the invitation. well, let's talk, uh, about what they think. what do you think of civilized countries? i don't know how civilized they are here in ukraine, and they sometimes criticize countries today and thank themselves for their permission. in short, countries have different differences - different controversies, how do you imagine the post- war world, you are not you, like oleksandr motil, and as a person who is in the united states from morning to evening, reading analytics, reading books, newspapers do you understand the opinions of experts more than i do, for example, someone is currently in lviv that the world is ready for the restart of its own

world order or does it still think that it is possible to beautify this just a race ukrainians will win well there will be some kind of peace well, somehow, russia will survive in in some way, it may be less toothy, less active, less aggressive, maybe less armed, but in principle, we in ukraine think the opposite. but for sure the children and grandchildren will fight to the extent that the world is aware of this danger and understands that it is necessary to provide a new design that is completely different and not similar to the design by february 24, 2022, please here are a few important points well, so your whole question assumes that ukraine will win e and in in this case , the police are just for it. of course, it's me. me

too. i'm quite convinced that it will be so, but despite the fact that it is necessary to emphasize that we are talking about a feature of the scenario, and then you already understand the question. it there will be just such a formal victory, where the russians will leave the temporarily occupied territory in a heap, and despite that, putin will remain in power, the regime will remain fascist, and the russian political culture will not change very much under such circumstances . nothing changes. well, this is not entirely true, because after all, victory is a victory, no matter what it is, and if russia is defeated in a war , well, after all, it will be a certain lesson for the

russians of the future. either for putin or for putin's successors but if there were not, of course, russia would remain a problem for people in the west, as it is possible in ukraine, well, no, not so in ukraine, in the west, the majority . on the one hand, they wish for more. i would say more. would i like ukraine to win? it's true. i'm a minority there, but mostly there are some extreme leftists, extreme rightists who want a russian victory, so basically the mainstream supports ukraine, and then already the question of what kind of victory it would be, there is a certain circle that believes that it is necessary to completely weaken

russia, that it should become either a group of independent states or that it should be demilitarized or denuclearized, and so on. so there is a certain element that believes that this is necessary among of course, these are people who belong to the ukrainian diaspora, who believe that this is necessary, that this is absolutely necessary, there are also americans, germans, and so on . it is the people who want ukraine to win again , everyone already emphasizes that they want this, but at the same time they are afraid that a crazy destabilization of a great power may come, which means everyone, and this can have various rather negative consequences, well

, first of all, the possibility of a civil war sms of the russian federation, the possibility of various wars in their federations between the russians and others are possible that i will fall on the weapon and they, those hands of the possible that there will be waves of fugitives russians tatars others and people are afraid of this destabilization so here i am then the question is how to combine the first condition, which means a ukrainian victory with the second, so that there will be even greater instability and, in principle, do you understand this? it is being discussed because people do not know. in the end, it will have more positive consequences than negative, but in the end it does not depend on us, neither on me, nor

on you, nor on western politicians, this is the current policy of putin himself, it also leads to collapse. this is just a strategic disaster a catastrophe, a geopolitical task, what he did by attacking ukraine. this is the president until the victory of ukraine, before uh and this and this will have various destabilizing consequences for russia itself and no matter how america and no matter what europe and no matter how hard i or you try to somehow contain it, somehow well this destabilization should be restrained by us in 2019, because in our country it is caused by internal factors and only the russians could do it, it is possible that it is too late, but in any case, it is only from them that they will be relieved. such

semi-democratic, work on political culture and mentality, and then russia will have an opportunity, maybe even a good opportunity to survive and turn into a semi-normal state, but if they don’t do it and still don’t do it, and at least in my opinion no one really wants to do it, then in fact, russia, i am assigned to the mind, there is another question, mr. oleksandr. thank you for the first answer, very correct answer . following putin's actions, i think that someone is paying him some kind of enemy of russia, is he being paid something by the chinese, or are the americans paying him, or maybe the ukrainians have found a mine with diamonds somewhere, and

they are giving putin kilograms of these diamonds because he is really doing it. i agree with you here that we should not do that the americans should not do, that the chinese, the japanese, the indians, but putin is leading russia into the abyss very confidently , persistently and quite talentedly. there is no plan, it is not written somewhere there, but simply , the heads, i have the impression that the economic sanction, the sanctions, the sanctions, the sanctions , it will not relax, it will not relax, maybe even in the case of the victory of ukraine, what sanctions will be lifted, but such short-term ones that do not affect the principles and simply how do we we know that if you boil a frog very

slowly, it does not die, it is appointed, well, there is such a saying, it is appointed to that new temperature, and in order not to create this revolution, internal wars , and so on, this mess will be there for years, maybe somewhere for five years, maybe for decades, to create new and new new conditions, which will lead to the fact that russia will not be able to develop, russia will have to somehow bow to the west, as they don't, which they don't like very much, and then already. the first act of this play, and only in the second act after the victory. and after the victory, nothing will change for the russians, there will still be shortages, price problems, and so on.

russian economists mean they are sober, not propagandists, they say the same thing that uh, russia is economically doomed to economic ruin, what putin did and at the same time what the west did to themselves will have the same consequence that russia will turn into a poorer north korea, but this is not a promising prospect for russia, but it is coming to this precisely because the sanctions have already started to work, but they are even stronger and will work even longer and they are not as you said and they will be left in place for a longer time, so to speak although he is constantly talking about some kind of security guarantee and everything about the need for negotiations with russia, no one has yet taken seriously the cancellation of the sanctions themselves, and on the contrary, in recent

days, the newest package has just been implemented, and these sanctions will kill and are already killing the russian economy, and as i have already pointed out, even a sober russian economist understands this and sees that it is constantly being said. so we can agree that the facts are such and such and that it will be so, that it is also his and means that time is on the side of ukraine because ukraine still receives despite all the destruction and so on, but still ukraine receives significant financial and military aid and will keep it, while russia, on the contrary, is unable to win on the battlefield and at the same time will experience a deepening economic crisis, so it is possible to leave well, an optimist, maybe a restrained one. but if i wasn't an optimist and the phenomenon of asking the question is already coming to an end, i have to ask

the question in the air, mr. professor, but just in the air, uh, i asked this question to many people to russians even before the war of 14th year, it is about why dictators are not patriots, as a rule, all dictators sooner or later become anti-patriots, and what putin is doing now is an absolutely anti-russian position, this is what is killing russia, yes, it is definitely killing ukraine, hundreds of thousands of ukrainians are being killed but this is definitely against russia, as a result, russia can definitely collapse, but it will never collapse, the news on espresso tv hosted by iryna koval and thank you thank you mykola oh, you see, i was just checking what news there is at the moment and i want to tell you that literally in a moment i will talk about the battles in the bakhmut direction and how the checks are going