we will supply them with drones, and well, there was a conversation about political missiles, but let's see how it will work, but also look, the united states of america is also not sleeping. impose sanctions against individuals and legal entities that previously purchased parts for the production of these drones in large quantities in europe and the usa. i know that there was a serious conversation between the representatives of the united states government and these companies so that what the details of which were discovered in the drone so that they are more attentive to unknown buyers who appear out of the blue, they say give us 500 of that 500 of that and a thousand of that even if it is clear that it will be for drone programs and that it can be blocked so give us more finally, let's discuss the topic of belarus and very briefly

, because there is some movement of troops and equipment on the border with ukraine and belarus. does this mean a new threat of an offensive ? is it possible? everybody, please, gentlemen, mr. sergey, you know, i would say, i repeat again, that starting from april , we are observing a constant increase in the combat capability and readiness of the belarusian corps of the russian army to enter the war. does this mean that they are starting they do not start preparing professionally and practically, but it is precisely such demonstration actions that, including from the point of view of military planning, the operational art consists precisely in keeping our e-e forces on the border with belarus in this way distracting from other directions, to date , there are no strike groups that have testified that the belarusians will soon be able to launch an offensive from belarusian soil, the air

operation is already underway and this is objective, but the land component is not yet ready and unable to take effect, mr. ivan, what is your opinion ". indeed, it is not visible there yet, and in addition, see well, they are mass-exporting combat troops, a lot of heavy equipment has been knocked out of belarus, well, from the point of view of logic , there remains a large, well, objective number of infantry and the equipment is getting less and less ammunition, less and less, it is somehow difficult to advance when you do not have good equipment and not ammunition for artillery of heavy equipment, that is, a two-fold situation. well, i am sure that our military intelligence commands will see in advance the preparations for the invasion, if it is even planned, they heard thank you, gentlemen, for your participation ivan stupak, a military expert of the sbu during 2004-15, and serhiy grabskyi, a military expert, a participant in peacekeeping missions and a reserve colonel, were on our airwaves with us live contact on and we are moving on to international

events that affect the situation in ukraine. in relations between the united states of ukraine , it is precisely against the background of the statement that the united states are no longer afraid of strikes on the russian military infrastructure from the side of ukraine, and until recently this turned out to be a tabulated topic even for discussions yes, you know, we see, er, perhaps the desert regime proved to us with its well, not with its ability, and er, as if with only antlers, apparently, but not with what they can do, and we decided that it is necessary for ukraine to win, so no one argued with them all of these, all of this, and now we are already

talking about such sums, about such attacks, which are simply speaking . about the risk of threats, the threat is now lower than what he had once proposed because they increased the ukrainian strikes, it is impossible to say that this is what the pentagon is encouraging, in the sense of no resolution, it is invisible, it does not support it, but it is very nice to see it, it encourages all of us, and it proves that ukrainians can they also say there we just collect these uh-uh drones and launch them and they are fine, but on the other hand, hey, there is also a rank so that uh , the united states now apparently decided that this is what is needed. uh, let's see

let's look at the interesting topic of putin's statements, in fact, in particular, about the fact that it is possible that there will not be an annual press conference and a direct line with the people for the first time in 10 years. they spoke with great interest because this is one of the expressions that was remembered here that you don't believe anyone, uh, you can believe me, they say so, uh, americans, english -speaking, our readers, the audience reacted very much to this , somehow, this demonstrates what is happening, uh, what this is a country. what is this regime

? it is perceived as practically the same as the whole idea that on the one hand we exchanged our wonderful basketball player for a merchant of death a-a on the other hand at this time putin is pretending to have a conference explaining how great he is a-a so that uh-e he has something it's all here well, he is trying, plus, now his wife means a new pass from you to green states in russia, eh, and this is a man who before that had served in armenia, eh, lyn tracy, she seems to be a great specialist , eh, because of how they help free people from prison. you know, i had such an experience, i contacted and tried to help, uh, two years ago, people whose

relatives were captured in eastern ukraine. - that's what we can do in such a situation and so on let's talk with me. and they said, "you know the best chances for those countries that we help, and that we give some kind of finance. they listen to us there. and where we don't communicate, we don't give any kind of financial infusions. so they don't listen to us that way, and vladimir putin apparently wants to save us." only to the merchant of death eh and what he tells at the same time how he is eh how big he is how can he use a nuclear threat from one country and on the other hand he will not do this from the first place but he plays with it as with a toy a- and somehow i am returning to to the previous question, it all somehow becomes more and more meaningless. and what do you think, in principle , about putin's current tactics ? the strategy of the american she is so aggressive with us it is

only a retaliatory strike and with them it is a primitive strike here we will also er-er deal with a pre-emptive strike this is what the position of what he thinks a-a then he apparently has no possibility left he in him the problem is that it is not important what he says. the problem is that it is necessary to sort out what he is doing and we are still in our position. how does it convey to the public space that they do not see signs of the fact that there is some kind of preparation? that's what's happening on this occasion, uh , that's why his statement somehow loses its meaning, and on the other hand, as many times as you can threaten. in the crimea they beat

airfield in russia, where is it, eh, the first strike? so he, as it were, again proves again that eh, it's more than possible, and the king turned out to be naked, but politics did not understand him. he drifted away from this topic in recent months, trying to pretend that there were no nuclear threats and talks of any kind already from the mouths of his publicists, there was talk of piskov and lavrov and the propagandist media in the kremlin, but now he raised this topic, why is it a good question and we explained a-a with the chinese and i’m talking about what not it is necessary to talk about it, it is bad the topic uh, we see, it needs to be discussed only for us on the air, my feet, this topic cannot be touched on, because the consequences will be catastrophic, he did it . the national security advisor jxileven made it clear that it was said again and again and again, so he seems to have heard it, but

ah apparently, his situation is so terrible, and we hear more and more that apart from rumors, there is a nuclear threat in russia somehow. that's how the army turned out to be fake in the sense that their effectiveness does not stand up to it. not even soldiers of nato this is how to say it is not the full power of what would have turned out to be with us a-a although it seems that looking at what was happening we observe it is unclear how much ukraine is not the best fighters now if they got into nato a-a but that no less, what can this be, this is a threat that is becoming more and more just a puffed-up threat, but at the same time, the risk remains, and it is also impossible to say that this will not happen, so we simply continue to do what can be done, apparently , for peace of mind and understanding our white house

so that ukraine won this war. and do you believe in you? can the creation of this tribunal for russian war crimes? we are ready now , the organizations of the united nations say. it is necessary to put this and it will play it will collect evidence and it will have parallels have historical value because it is necessary to record that this is the judgment of history from those who lived in at that time, they decided that it was a crime, and it was also necessary to create all these conditions so that none of these war criminals could show themselves anywhere , because they will be there for them. how will everything be decided by the court ? both short and long-playing, but that's not the court when the policeman appears

and, as if with a stick, they demand that you stop beating your wife, that's not that, that's not him, that's not here, bitch. we understand everything, but we see it as very important how important is it that the prosecutor of the united states mary garreland the attorney general singled out a special prosecutor who doesn't even help when it's part of the aid provided by the united states, uh , it's just the collection and documentation of all these animals, which is certainly scary, and yesterday there was news from the white house about that that the united states will allocate another 275 million dollars to help ukraine, as far as i remember. i have not declassified what exactly will be in this package. however, how do the people in the states react to the fact that the united states continues to finance yuriy? ukraine and help in this way, and to defeat

the russian federation, have the moods inside changed? you know, in this sense, not so much has changed, but there are interesting details because, for example, help to insulate people costs much less than weapons. and because these rakes are said to cost two million, but what is needed is just technology, clothing, and equipment on a personal level, it is much cheaper, and therefore it seems to me that there is a little bit more, so many billions of dollars are not needed a-a to help people survive the winter and we see what uh-uh again, that’s how it’s all done, but on the other hand, 37 billion dollars for the next year are very serious figures a-a in 20 years, uh-uh, we gave 72 billion dollars to afghanistan of military aid a-and here these figures will be exceeded very

much so say already that there is this it will be general assistance of 105 billion dollars they will go and get the keys from the congress and they will give us this there are many hopes, eh, you always know politics is a wonderful thing, here we are now, the senator has decided that she is tired of being a democratic party, and she has thrown it so that there are always unpredictable things, but the support of ukraine is now quite predictable, but it will be independent to figure well, it will be very interesting, first of all, she reacted very poorly in the past when senator juli berman made the same finn with mascara and left the party on this one,

she spoke very harshly about it now they looked and saw that after all 19% of support among the democrats and for the loss of the democratic party, any other party can win because the president has 80% of the support of the second party who elected 83% of the support among the democrats and she has 19 that's why she can with the same success go and organize his own candidacy and possibly succeed especially if there will be a division into three uh, that means it will be divided into three parties , democrats, republicans, but i will see what will happen on the horizon, they are very restless there and at the state level, she did the right thing, because in this sense, i, and still, you looked at what i thought, that she will leave the democratic party, not to include the person expressing what he considers to be right, eh, she did it after the elections, when already it became

clear that she could have done before the election of george and suddenly it would be good again i could have lost this race, by the way, it's very important again , but this day happened, and as people said, and the democrats control all of them, and that's how they control the senate, and here she is, and they came out. here is a conservative senator yes, here is a western virgin joe manchen, about whom the democrats swear that he blocks all the initiatives of the president, and we thought that finally , now we will have an extra-senator from georgia, and it is not necessary, it will not be so important, but it will be anyway it is important now that the family will have more control over the son in such a small and small advantage, thank you very much, mr. yurii yurii , i am sorry rashkin, a political and public figure

in the usa, was with us directly, we are moving forward natalya ligachova, head of the public association detector media chief editor of the site medius we are in touch and we are talking with her about the stormy events in the media sphere that took place this week unexpectedly yes greetings greetings thunderstorm with rain so how do you understand in general all these events ms. natalya ot tell us your vision, and the most important thing is that the question is not what happened with the tv channel about the rain, but in this huge support of those people whom many ukrainians are used to perceiving as changeable, who have such an impression, they simply sincerely did not understand what happened, who call it talk, say that they speak in russian and demand that we do not pay attention to it, and it is so soviet in my opinion. i don't know how you perceive it. well, i also belong to those who think that it's a pickle, and we have monitoring e-e

publications such as rain like a jellyfish are very often spread precisely because of the whims of russian propaganda. that is, it is not a case of er and well, i can only say that there can be two reasons, one is more emotional, because we understand that he did a lot in order to be perceived exactly as a liberal media and almost an oppositional one. although he continues to enforce the laws of the russian state, putting these dispositories on agents and the like, but russians i know write to me there, who are even very against russia as an aggressor, and treat russia as an aggressor. of the aggressor, etc. well, they are also surprised by such a reaction of ukrainians, and inside ukraine there may be another position, they may. maybe someone thinks. and by the way, it seems to me that the government also thinks that these media

are useful to us, they can be used by our freedom monitoring. well, for example, our persuasion shows that there are quite a lot of employees of dozhda often on the air of this tv channel. that is, they think in this way that they are addressing the russian audience, the one that is ready to hear the voice of ukraine, and not only there putin's voice, i can only explain it with this, but i think it's what it is. well, it's a false position. because in fact, i explained to you what it was that i knew about myself. and how surprised was the reaction of the ukrainians, because you know that the media movement issued a statement that supported the decision for latvia's sake, it's about the ban, so i, uh, broadcasting in cables, uh, i explained that hmm, it's better for us. this channel is russian. yes, when there, well, there are crucified boys, and

there we burn, uh, russia, uh, usa it's a road accident there, like when kiselyov said, er, it's all clear. and here the position is as if we are on the brink and it seems that it is very blurred and often our citizens just fall for it, even if you look at the number of russian experts in our country commenting on anything. i understand that when it is about the russian economy. for example, it is true. perhaps there is some russian economist who is adequate, yes, against putin, there against the kremlin , there against russia, as an aggressor, he is able to give a more detailed analysis of the russian economy. than they invite everyone to comment, who is she? why is she commenting on this? mrs. natalya did not understand, and why the situation with the rain has become so strange

for ukrainians, and after all, they have already fined the rain in latvia 10,000 € for a map with the allegedly russian crimea, and there have already been claims in latvia and estonia and lithuania to the point that the rain did not take a specific position and tried to drift in one direction, then in the other, and now what the presenter said was not only one presenter, then several more journalists left after him in order to express their protest to demonstrate because they believe that this korostalov was telling the truth, that is, they support their army, they want to help them by equipping them with equipment, at least they sympathize. well, this is not normal. are you for the war or against? are you just against putin? maybe they are the same imperialists. well, who we have a case again, really, the border should be there, do they consider any russian

who entered someone else's territory with a weapon in his hands to be so vindictive for their war? well, in our case, it is on the territory of ukraine. uh, when a young man says that he doesn't want putin to be handsome, but he feels very sorry for the russian boy who seems to be innocent, that's the limit. no, you can't consider a russian boy if he took a weapon and went to ukraine to kill and for me, for example, it is even more revealing not so much the position of korostylov, but the leader, well, the founder, and er, raining from tsesareeva, who was crying ah on instagram and called her so she regretted and asked to apologize to her own , that is, her own, who do not think that whatever -which russian boy - this is an aggressor, just like

aggressor russia, and today he celebrated a press conference, and they already went back there because they clearly do not want to be kicked out of latvia, although we have it according to unofficial sources information that they have already submitted an application for a license in the netherlands , they also have a studio there, this is unofficial information , they don’t have confirmation yet, but they don’t want to go, and he said, is he an aggressor for us? russia is the aggressor and ukraine is the victim, but i don't care i need a conscientious ukrainian citizen to say that every russian who came to us with a weapon is an aggressor and he is a stranger, he is a stranger and he should be a stranger to every rain employee. by the way, i can listen to those who think

rain is possible such as rain, other apparently oppositional media could be useful and useful to ukraine, but they should clearly say that everyone who has weapons for what we have weapons, even then it is the enemy, it is not one's own, because serdeeva said hers, it's a pity yes those who feel sorry for the russian boy and her no need pity and feel sorry for no one yes, but here another question arises, i’m talking about a question that has not yet reached the audience of a tv channel, why the majority of people who should understand this from a moral point of view began to condemn latvia. moreover, i would say in such a brutal way, provincial countries and how can they by the way, the rain also read latvia 's notations about the fact that they are wrongly

dismantling monuments there by the soviet occupier, that is, you had the impression that these people generally studied from some other history textbooks and do not consider this an occupied country, despite the fact that it is raining, it is an official latvian channel, it must be understood that it is not russian , but we call it a russian channel, but according to the terms of the license, it is a latvian media, on which citizens of different countries work, but this media should, in principle, adhere to those general guidelines acceptable for the republic of latvia and for the european union, and not for those propaganda gimmicks that are characteristic of the russian federation in any form, well, this is this fluor, that's all the fluor of russian liberals, you do you understand? he is the same to the whole world. well, recently, a respected german organization presented the benedictine oleksiy award, and our ukrainian

media personality oksana romanyuk refused this award, and by the way, it all started in may. in may, oksana informed her colleagues that she had been nominated for this award before things there are very big quite big well big $20,000 there is the monetary equivalent of this award and oksana said that a russian is being nominated along with her and she cannot accept this award and she she is a few months correspondence with the organizers of this award explaining their position, that is, they had time to change it, but they did not change it, and oksana refused. -e on the voice of america of the russian service actually and to him than us well, you understand natasha is a knight of the legion of

honor it seems to me that he has been 10 years old how does alina kostenko have this order, let's say she received it only now in the west, it's very big in general well, pope francis in which well, that's nonsense, they don't understand many things, and our task is definitely to explain, here with the event, we need to conduct exactly this kind of explanatory work, very, very much, such targeted, systemic , we have no other way out, and it's very interesting that if you remember that when people in russia itself always took some categorical positions, they condemned aggression, war, repression, clearly gave moral assessments, this is already in the russian context, and liberal also has a clear definition .

i.e. they raised schizophrenia not their own politics and not their own adaptation but of course honesty who is valeria novodvorskaya well demshiza well and the whole thing i would say the coordinate system yes the whole assessment of the social situation in russia unfortunately unfortunately unfortunately finally let's talk about the russian propaganda that is gaining new momentum today and they are trying to make us quarrel with the poles, and the washington post also wrote about russia creating fakes about ukrainian refugees abroad. all these fakes should be debunked both here in our country and abroad. well, actually, there has been a long time in the ukrainian expert opinion, uh, this

is the idea that it is necessary not to debunk so much, it is necessary to educate, but that is not the main thing. the main thing is well, the so-called baits, yes, this is the creation of the study of the information field, and the creation of our own messages, narratives, and so on. that is, we will never exceed the billions that go to russian propaganda . with a wide audience, we need to work ahead of time, give our narratives, our agenda, ask thank you very much, or your comments, questions, natalya , thank you natalya ligachova, head of media, director of the site, detector media, was in direct contact with us, we will now have a short break, after which we let's go back to the saturday political club and listen to people who

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