engaged in some exercises there with the shuttlers in pereyaslav, let's not confuse it with zelenskyi's pereslav, they will confuse it with pereyaslav, it would be better for russia, for us, but the messiah does not care, as a result, he caused such a disaster that i was not able to stop later, because peter and with with his ideas about the value of human life, this is what it is for russia. he is a copper horseman there, but this is a man who was ready to mow down people in any number. well, after all, you cut baturin for peter. an outstanding fighter for the freedom of ukraine, who in the end was forced to leave the ukrainian and agree on help with yosif

pilsudskyi. a large part of the republic of poland, the fact of the biography, the fact changes from this meaning petlyura as a symbol of the ukrainian struggle does not change, that is, here you can talk about each of these people, you can talk about bandera as a whole to write a monograph about the change of position about the transition from radicalism to political struggle, a lot about the split in the organization of ukrainian nationalists on the eve of the war, which has still not been overcome, if you come to the united states, you will see that the people of melnyk still do not talk to the people of bandera. what is this? how can this not be considered it's normal, even for a while, i hope that they will unite now, although they are worthy people from both sides , their descendants are just real people who absorbed this tradition of ukrainian excellence well

for this, well, that is, these people remain not just historical figures, these people remain er, significant figures in our mythological perception of the past, but the fact is that zelensky, as you have already said, as a certain face of the institution, is not the most influential person in europe and, in fact, the european thanks to the fact that we have success on the front, the union continues to help us , including with a list of sanctions, by putting pressure on the russian federation with certain economic restrictions, and by vitaly, but in this ninth package of sanctions, we never saw gas embargo, which in principle would probably have the greatest effect on the economy of the russian federation. do you think this instrument will reach this point or not ? well, first of all, i think that the gas barkom should somehow have a real effect on the economy of the russian federation

. when russia already supplies quite a bit of gas to europe, and by the way, even before that, gas is supplied at the expense of ukrainian transit, we have money there, as soon as we stop receiving money, we will have even less money in the budget, but it must be said again that we are now during the war looking at the situation in in black and white europe adopts sanctions also so that a military collapse of the economy does not happen. and by the way, russia is pushing this collapse with its stupid policy. and by the way, it is not afraid of losing profits because, after all, the main russian profit is oil, and with oil these are problems because if the gas flows are almost impossible to redirect quickly, then the oil flows are redirected. it is elementary. this is the second time. i just want us to understand that the european union is a collegial organization, it is not the united the states of america, the united states of america, the state

of texas, the state of marilyn and the state of rotliner may have different views on the situation, but the issue of foreign policy is determined by the president and administration of the united states and, of course, the congress of the european union, so recently you saw this meeting of the leaders of the european union dedicated to the expansion of the schengen area and everyone believed that the schengen agreement would be extended to three more countries: croatia, bulgaria and romania, the austrian republic, which consistently, by the way, advocates that in order to provide a european perspective as soon as possible to the countries of the western balkans, they refused to make a decision on schengen for romania bulgaria they were left without a cord the netherlands opposed bulgaria but for romania austria opposed romania and bulgaria together plus a heart both of these countries did not receive the schengen code why they are very

separated one vote ot we talk a lot about hungary, but we see that austria can also act like this alone against the whole of europe and nothing happened , so when we go to hungary, we will have some there will not be a happy time with the european union, there will always be such problems, they must be accepted, but the romanians are now very unhappy, as you understand, that they did not get to the shonaga, the fact that everyone withdrew their er, er, some claims to croatia, which fulfilled the same the same conditions as romania, bulgaria are the same, but you understand in austria. when you go on a trip, when you go to croatia, where are you going? in traffic, well, it's not so much

honestly, that is, i have even in croatia fully deserved this schengen, it did everything, but romania, bulgaria also deserved it, you cannot create a schengen zone for tourist needs, it is a zone of free movement of citizens, and the same applies to the sanctions of the european union, especially when you do not concern the interests of the country which is not a member of the european union, we still have a long way to go , life is quite difficult in fulfilling the conditions of the european union, the most difficult negotiations with the european union will begin when we become a member of the european union. to knock on the door of schengen, remember how we were happy about visa-free, and right away we will want that we simply do not have a border with poland, they will tell us no, no, you did not ensure normal border control, you did not do this, this, that, everything, you do not have such an agency, such you guys, this agency you have is like this and this agency you have is different and this agency you have is wrong and it will be such a long road, we

will be a difficult road of course and then when we have done everything, suddenly the representative in hungary will tell the time this one told the european union i apologize no we don't like it, we don't need them because there are too many of them, so you accept us refugees from the countries of central asia. they can't close the border in any way, let them close the visa regime for them. and why don't they do it for everyone and how can you, ukrainians if they don't suffer so much, then they deserve it, they deserve it, let's get back to it three years later, and here ukrainians are talking about brexit, well, that's all, it's serious , it's all serious problems, and we shouldn't forget about them, because it's a reality, a reality relations in europe, in which they receive them, you understand , after all, this may not be a drawback, because we can also block something, the day will come when someone will say that maybe the russian federation should be accepted into the european union, we will say no, i am all how are you not ashamed, they did such a job they changed they still did they apologized for the past you

no and if we are not there no one will say no then this is a disadvantage it is just an advantage and maybe we won't say no like that and maybe estonia won't say he is a ukrainian in general well we can only hope not what are they support back the russian federation once and p. vitaliy regarding the oil embargo, which began to operate on december 5. and this is about the ban on transporting oil by sea, transporting it directly, and about 70-80% will be lost by sea. that is, it is significant, but taking into account the topic that we have already discussed regarding the limit price, you said that it will not have such a quick effect, it will have an effect when oil prices rise sharply .

the ukrainian direction creates such problems for the world economy that it is not clear who needs oil in such quantities that it was needed before so of course now the price of oil does not look like it can be used in a larger volume than it is sold now i saw it is only decreasing and by the way, yesterday already putin reassures and said, oh, of course, the price suits us, but the principle does not suit them, as they are not ashamed of what it is, well, the principle, you understand the principle , you don’t have bread for bread, now they can be absolutely rest assured that they will sell as much oil as they need at this price, and they will allow it to fill the russian budget , militarize the army, bury iran with a missile, they still have the strength, but one way or another, in the future, it can play with those, uh, with you. what already in march of next year, one and a half to two million points

less than russia will have to produce wells , that's what the problem is with oil and gas, because if it turns out that they sell less oil than they could, they will have to preserve the wells and this will lead to serious problems for the oil industry, of course, well, i understand that asian countries are not going to increase imports, there is no need for this. of course, they bought as much at a discount as they could china and ninja . the prime minister of india is on a rent arkana, he simply failed to admire. by the way, you mentioned modi, and this week there was news that there will be no face-to-face meeting between modi and putin. and what does this say to mr. vitaly? india is turning away from dictator, but obviously i wouldn't say, he doesn't even come back, he doesn't want to

contact him too institutionally, you understand, because it's not just a planned meeting, it's a traditional meeting, there is a summit of russia and communication with the participation of the president of russia, the prime minister, representatives of the business delegation singing of the napa society, they are constantly held regularly, they were not held when there was a coronavirus , but already after that, russian officials in samarkand said that most likely this will not happen. we have light as usual, but not now it will appear well, how about everyone, but it won't happen , because modi expressed everything to putin in samarkand, i was expecting some kind of answer. but unfortunately , he didn't really hear it, and that's why he decided that in this situation, holding a summit is the same again. or talk to putin about the war, putin will not hear it again. and bypassing it with these is not in the traditions of human emotions,

known for its political frankness. well, then listen, if the prime minister of india, who is the president of the russian federation for you? i won't say anything to him i won't say that when even the president of tajikistan already says whatever you want. well, of course, he decided that it would be better not to see him at all. well, i need him. well, it's best for us that our partners turn to the russian federation, well, that's a lot to say, that the isolation of russia is even increasing russia had enough of having serious relations, but yes, yes, life is now arranged in russia. among the important topics this week, a coup d'état was planned in germany, which was managed to be prevented by law enforcement agencies during an anti-terrorist operation, 22 were detained persons among whom was a person with russian citizenship, some members of the movement reject the post-war constitution of germany and call for a

change of power. vitaliy, these are some ideological revolutionaries, is it possible that it is dissatisfaction with the economic and social situation in the country ? and the buggers have been talking about them for many years in a row, the only thing is that they were still considered an absolutely marginal group of urban lunatics, as if they did not take themselves seriously imagine who believe that germany should exist within the borders of the past, it's not the hitlers, it's all black, it's definitely hitler. no, it's not the people of the openly nazi grounding fields, it's just people who believe that germany does not exist in those borders, that it is the wrong state, it's obvious that there can be and far-right views, but the essence is inserted into germany as a state that has moved to those geographical places, which has politicians and which really has citizens of the russian federation. by the way, when there was a story with burghers in 2017, then

a situation when one of the stock exchanges killed a policeman, when they came to arrest him and take away his weapons, he shot at the police with this weapon and killed another policeman. that was the story, but then they said that he was a marginal and he was crazy, there were no exact signs. the fact that they are somehow connected with moscow is not present, now these signs are more and more found why is this in principle destabilization of russia, you understand that in russia any movement to destabilize western democracy this is already a wonderful story imagine that this the operation of the race builders, because it was put into practice, of course, they did not seize any power, because it is not the right world. it is necessary to seize the spawn , not the buddhists, not the house of the former restail . did not obey a group

of crazy people who would sit in some government institution, even if they took it over, it's still the same in our time. what do you take over some branch of a bank and think that you will manage the bank of this branch because you took a hostage there. well, of course, they can give you 10 billion dollars there so that you can release the hostages and go somewhere better for you by chance, but you will not become shareholders, managers of this bank and from which division. these are completely different times, and by the way, be laska is a famous story, when the japanese writer yukemistima wanted to organize exactly such a coup in japan with the participation of the military, he turned to the army to restore the power of the emperor, who was essentially deprived of real power after the defeat of japan in the second world war japan became essentially a constitutional coin well, the soldier was not laughed at by any commissions, he committed suicide because he had a completely different idea about

how the army would react to such beautiful words that he would utter. that is, there were simply no russian agents who would have done something else there, but there was a very similar story as it has been there for more than 40-50 years, but this is a literary story. and this is a literary story. this is a story about actually saboteurs, a destabilizing movement. took advantage of the sentiments of certain marginals there in order to arm them, to give them the opportunity to create certain plans and to give them the opportunity to earn some kind of vacanalia in the german capital against the background of the war in ukraine. for ukraine, it is only a question of what they needed to show , so and so, it can be, you know, in germany , a coup can happen at any moment, this one will fail, or the next one will succeed. well, of course, that's all.

it reads like something so incredible, who would have thought that some group of citizens of the federal republic of germany, with the help of people with passports of the russian federation, would plan to take over the federal government and the bundestag. and now we live in such a world, there are such people, and to the topic. they executed a protester, and he wounded an officer and blocked the access of law enforcement officers to the demonstrators. and in general, this story, of course, is not such a precedent for iran, yes, vitaliy, but what do you think will it intensify the tests or vice versa, people will be scared and will be forced to leave the actions, it was absolutely obvious to everyone that the protests could lead to death sentences, the representatives of the authorities talked about it from the first days of the protests, they intimidated people, it is the ocean of death when people go to such protests

, they understand perfectly well what awaits them, the protests do not look like they can be quelled , but the government has already made certain concessions, which it hopes will simply localize the protests and make them smaller in terms of intensity and content. the main thing is that they are talking about the liquidation of this moral police, what they are saying is that they respect the contribution of the population of kurdistan, because this woman was killed by this police, she was a kurdish woman of ethnic saran khordistan and went there to a greek protestant to become the president of archimes, that says it all that they are trying to enter into a certain dialogue, the problem is that you understand that iran is created in such a way that you conduct a dialogue for them , so the country is run by others, the president is going somewhere , says something, the prosecutor general pronounces some

there are statements, in fact, they do not have the power, but the power of the leader of the countries, and this is a disaster for me, the people who are connected with him, this whole group of religious authorities who created this theocratic regime there, in their guard, not even in the army, in the iranian revolutionary guard corps, it is very similar during the soviet regime, when grandfather kalinin was the head of the parasites of the verkhovna rada of the soviet union, and you would essentially be the formal head of the state because, according to the soviet constitution, the presidium of the verkhovna rada of the soviet union was the collective head of the state the president is not the head of the union, but everyone knew that the country was run by the general secretary of the national committee of the party, stalin khrushchev, brezhnev , it doesn't matter, they then combined the positions of stalin, khrushchev was the prime minister, the chairman of the same presidents of the verkhovna rada, but the essence of their power was based on the fact that they lead the party. and

the party has the kgb, and if the chairman of the presidium of the verkhovna rada of the soviet union comes to you and says something, this is of no great importance because decisions will be made on him and on valuable flight, and here, too, exactly where does this president go, what does he say, he can say anything, promise anything, if ayatollah makes a completely opposite decision to me, the incarnated life will be the opposite, despite the fact that no one here recruited this president, pseudo-elected because you you know that in the presidential elections in the republic of iran, candidates are first selected , thereby having a tola there and his support group, so let's say there is an institution that admits to the presidential elections. it can you may not allow you, it's still not a free election, but in any case, you go for someone there, you vote for the etolas, they don't vote, he 's like a monk, mr. vitaly, but he already sees that forceful repression doesn't work. so, you need to make certain concessions by the way, with this

moral police, which since 2006 has been monitoring the implementation of all the rules there, the javo campaign, and so on. prosecutor who cannot make such decisions at all, and in this sense, i don’t know what to see in the talakhs. no , you and i were talking about putin in the tip-programs, but he sees this. e talach can assume that the guard corps will suppress these processes sooner or later, and they are all fed up. to go out and speak if there are no radical changes, people just go out on the streets and after that nothing really changes, then of course in this situation protests sooner or later cease to be a driving force of political development of course these are not the same protests in belarus as in belarus in 2020, but did you see that people in belarus took to the streets, went to the streets, just peacefully, nothing was changed? by the way,

our maidan was also peaceful, it was just attacked , and this is a rather serious problem. suppression of these protests, but there is such an example with yanukovych, when moscow helped during the revolution, then yanukovych had to flee, well, such a fate awaits a neuron or not well, it depends, you understand , after all, we are left with moscow, but with strength of the ukrainian apparatus, it is repressive of the ability of ukraine, those who were supposed to ensure the future of yanukovych, to suppress the protest . concerns the iranians, if it turns out that the guards corps is ready to suppress the protests of the knapsacks, of course they

will come if they lose, this is a power struggle, no scattered will help you me absolutely you are correct in saying that this is a question of their own ability to be depressed. by the way, the reaction and attitude of the western countries to iran has also changed. previously, they used to do business with the south, but now they still make more radical statements and it is already talking about the fact that they are calling on the russian federation not to supply weapons and so on. how will it change in the future and what does it depend on? i think it depends on many reasons. the first reason is that if there is escalation, the whole world, we have seen that already 25 people are going to be killed, and german foreign minister analina berberg emphasized that the threat of execution will not change people's will for freedom, and of course, the greater

the level of repression in iran, the less will western countries want to have in the morning, it's a different matter - it's a threat to the region, everyone can clearly see that iran is not just supplying russia with weapons, but is preparing for some kind of war of its own. and it's early. there's no need to simply supply russia with weapons, iran obviously wants to use russia and the driver of the war with ukraine as a country that can turn ukraine into a training ground for iranian weapons. and now the big question is what and for what is clear. to fight and is ready for a long time, he showed wounds to raskov, if there is nothing new there will be a tree in the morning, they took a rather heavy bloodshed in the war and are used to such situations. so i always say remember that these drones that may appear near kiev or near odesa, they may appear the day after tomorrow on tv or under hype or under fire nearby. i am not saying

that it is necessary for israel to have a common task to destroy all this, but israel did not hesitate when it was necessary to destroy the threat of nuclear tests, iran destroyed even as if these people who were producers of iranian weapons of mass effect and this was absolutely the right action and now it is necessary that these countries that feel threatened simply start destroying the iranian military industry , there is nothing like that if several factories will be destroyed for me early, it will be a clear signal that he is not safe if he continues to do it and the more such factories are destroyed on the territory of the early countries where they can be located by the same force, israel is no longer afraid , so this warehouse drones, the less chance that these weapons will fall into the hands of the russians, that it will look like this, and the united states of america has some such non-violent methods of influence, let's say legal ones, to somehow stop the supply of weapons. i think that the

united states of america has great opportunities to influence the iranians and wounds, so it is under the crushing american sanctions, would iran now like to reach this nuclear agreement regarding the sanctions, as it has already happened under the president, take the cubans . no, i have great doubts. before the lifting of sanctions and the refusal of nuclear weapons or cooperation with moscow and obtaining these nuclear weapons cannot be tolerated, if we have endured for so many years, maybe a couple more years, but when we have nuclear weapons and bombs, the pirates will cancel us anyway section, because if we show this bomb, they themselves will be forced to cancel everything. well, this is the psychology in the near future. do you think iran should make such a decision, either with the united states and its partners or with russia? i think so, because the

negotiations on this nuclear agreement they they continue. they must either end with something or it will become completely clear that they do not lead to anything. this is absolutely real. by the way, at the end of our conversation, we can mention that in the united states and its political games continue and several trump's companies were accused of fraud by vitaliy, this will still affect the presidential campaign, which will begin here, of course, every such accusation hits the authority of the former american president, but the question always arises as to how legal this can be. i would say recorded, that is, president trump himself remains a very popular person among his nuclear electorate , as you understand, and in this situation, we must clearly realize that the president of the united states is a man who has already passed through the fire of various

even former tests if president trump is not allowed to simply run for office or he will have such a reputation that will not allow him to win the republican primaries, it is one story if he participates in these primaries and the republicans will believe that he is being unfairly bullied to prevent him from becoming the president of the united states that's another story, but you always have to remember that for president trump, in general, for a person, this is charisma. and with him, i would say so, the f group is a group of many million fans, nothing has ever been finished, it will be finished only when the legal system of the united states clearly says that this person cannot hold public positions there for the highest 10 years and after 10 years please let him do what interestingly does trump's nuclear electorate hold on to what kind of whales are populism trump is just a belief in trump, it's a sect, to a certain extent, a sect can be

huge, just a belief in trump, and there are conspiracy theories and just falling in love with trump. and by the way, hatred for biden. well, we know in ukrainian political experience, how do you create such companies? and by the way, there is an important situation that you should always remember. very simple answers to very difficult questions. in this regard, trump, at least in north america, has no equal. in europe, there are politicians who can to compete , we know them, but in north america there are very few of them, he is a really strong orator and a showman, this is his strong points. information broadcasting espresso in a few moments with news

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