admit that there is such a russian ideology that brings death to ukrainians yes, it is hostile, it actually carries everyone, all the bearers of the russian paradigm, they call to mean they do not understand what ukraine is needed for, and they call to destroy ukrainians, so we should be very careful to those institutions and which , including their agents, who promote this very paradigm, this paradigm became the inspiration and spiritual leader, in fact, the inspiration of this bloody war. how many dead and how many victims were funny today oksana , mr. vyacheslav will be responsible for oksana's words, well, i have no way out just look at what the experts told me more than i, i'm not at all an expert that mostly the uoc mp is petty and behaves pro-russian and

down there in the valley there are a large number of churches in parishes where people help the ukrainian army and sincerely believe that this is their ukrainian church and they help the ukrainian from the ukrainian church, they are hiding in moscow patriarchy, but they collect money, they introduce this money to the front, support, feed, and so on, there are such rather difficult moments here, do you understand what ms. oksana says? yes, that is fair, but how will ivan ivanovych ivanov from some church in the poltava region reach a small church? i, and his community, spread the russian word on radivylo, and they will say that the old-fashioned defense of the problem is the problem, and it is necessary to make such decisions, which ukraine will be able

to defend in international courts. and what will this be? but how is it technological then, you and i said that then we need thousands of uh, like thousands of court processes, which means thousands of lawyers from the state or from the ministry of religion, i don’t know. if such a thing exists, well, conditionally, yes, or from the side from the side from parties from the side and and and and certainly if moscow is still alive by that time, then it will find money for thousands of lawyers on its side to put against lawyers and it is then competition and it is still the same thing continental law is one thing and saxon law is another thing where there is one once in court he won and ovs i everyone voted for and everything or against, that is, the situation is happening oksana, the situation is not easy, it’s

not me, well, i don’t see any options, that’s how they say it should be banned . absolutely everyone in the world, not only ukrainians, poles, catholics who are nearby . he planned everything and did it so that it is very difficult to get him out of there now, what could happen in a year if the russian no, not like that, i will ask ms. oksana a question in the event of a ban and in the event of filing lawsuits in non-european courts, what should the ukrainian authorities do,

for whom will the whole nation be? well, okay 85%. and there is a conflict with the european court of human rights, the entire ukrainian people are in favor of the ban, and the european court of human rights is against the ban, what to do, uh, look, it means again, uh, the russian federation, kirill, and everything else, they tried for a very long time to put this message on us and label us that we have religious wars here and we are fighting from their church. that is, in fact, it is their program of actions to demonstrate that ukraine is a totalitarian state that oppresses religious institutions, we need to knock them out. from under their feet, this is the basis and the opportunity to interpret itself as a church institution to a large extent, it is simply, i'm sorry, a propaganda institution, an institution that promotes an ideology hostile to ukrainians, but the courts

in relation to the judge are different in relation to everything else. i agree that it is necessary to proceed from the fact that there are people who have already committed crimes against ukraine, collaborators, for example , those who openly called for the overthrow of the ukrainian government, those who sowed enmity, and in addition, i can name a few, so to speak, from my legal point of view, such statements that can be copied by this institution for example, leaving them safe, fraud, yes. in other words, we know that a huge number of ukrainians who were victims of ukrainians who were on the side were destroyed in the occupation ended up being parishioners, including the moscow patriarchate, a large number, we will remember at least these cities that were occupied, and how where there were ukrainian churches and the ukrainian consciousness and worldview of the citizens, they touched less and where, i'm sorry, russian peace was promoted for a long time, it was this institution that the occupiers came there more quickly and more

people were affected in these places and towns, therefore, from my point of view, these cases of fraud should be developed. why because, under the guise of religious functionality, they actually sold on a religious product and an ideological photoboiler and a destructive product, then a destructive influence on the consciousness of these citizens because the dissonance of this russian world and the ukrainian world, and behind this worldview monkey where the priorities of the russian world do not exist at all, the ukrainian world and ukrainians as a nation, you see every person who falls into this dilemma between the russian world and the ukrainian world, it contains this cognitive dissonance, it does not give her the opportunity to understand herself in the situation mr. oksana divani oksano thank you vyacheslav and horshkova to the coordinator of cooperation with religious communities of the state service of the zno, politics of freedom of conscience, and mrs. oksana, religion is known, the only thing i would say is that in the human rights court, the word worldview does not

pass there, everything is facts, facts, facts, and worldview is hard to touch. well, in short, there will be a problem, but we hope that ukraine as problems will always be solved brilliantly, but they are not simple, and in general, everyone should understand that the legal language, the legal road is different from absolutely all other emotional roads, we have a war with you and we emotionally everyone is loaded, i don’t say by what sign, i think that with a plus, we are justly loaded emotionally, we are for justice, we are on the right side of history, on the white side of the universe, but lawyers take to continue their work and if anything happens, if putin gets into gagu and and

and someone will say he is a scumbag , the word scumbag does not exist for the judge of hav judges, he committed a crime, the composition of the crime has been proven, the prosecutors have spoken, the lawyers have spoken, and the court’s decision, then it works, it works, do you like putin? do you like putin, but that's how it works, otherwise it wouldn't work if it wasn't, i argue very often about the word genocide and i know for sure that politically the word genocide can be used and it is made by american presidents, european leaders and ukrainian politicians. but you try prove genocide in the european court it is very difficult, but for example , it is very easy to prove an aggressive war, so maybe you should

better prosecute the russians for aggressive war, where are the 5 million pieces of evidence, i am not a lawyer, i do not understand anything about this, but my boyish mind, well, so be it to say finish the opinion tells me that for example this must be genocide this is the targeted killing of the destruction of a certain and there is a list of ethnic, linguistic and social groups of the population and if among the ukrainian patriots there is a jew, a pole, a russian by nationality, then a russian lawyer will come out and say the following: ethnically, we did not destroy ukrainians because we destroyed them and quiet, quiet, i can even say that, but it is not a separate group. but when we say the holodomor, it is a separate social group of peasants, we

did not say that it is a peasant with russian roots. this one with the polish ones and this one with the ukrainian ones and this one with the jewish ones, these are peasants, the social group of peasants was exterminated, fits, and right away the question is, what if the ukrainians, as well as everyday life, i agree, this is genocide, i don’t even have one here, but i’m not a lawyer, i somehow suspect that if this will all go to some european courts, then competition will begin there, it cannot be that i am right and you are a fool, that does not happen, let 's move on to the questions, the question is difficult, let 's talk about it first. i even talked to my colleagues and my colleagues very often. people with whom i communicate, they say what

to talk about with russia and they say the defeat of russia in today's program, several people who spoke with me said well when we will win when we will win and when we say when we we will win, what does this mean for us, what does it mean for us to leave the border in 1991 , then our western colleagues, our friends, our assistants say such caution, such caution is shown , and here i will tell you what the question seems to me to be. the question is that mr. putin is for him crimea is like a hand, a political hand, you do n't want it, he doesn't want it, no one cut dasha's hand, they

took an ax and chopped it off, it's a part of him, it's his , it's his, and what will putin's behavior be? well, i can give you a very hepatic example. what will a sober person choose ? a person, including ukrainians, if a referendum is held in ukraine today, it is cynical, provocative, i will say the words now, i do not absolve myself of responsibility, so a nuclear war or crimea , because that is how putin can ask the question, i am not conditional, but just imagine such a thing no one will hold a referendum, no one does not do such referendums, they cannot be simple, but the mind that chooses is normal, a sober person, a nuclear

war or crimea, i suggest you think about it, it is very important to understand, and then negotiations begin, not necessarily. maybe i don't know, but we can we can rule it out, we can say no, we can also rule it out, maybe we know the russians better, maybe we live next to them, maybe there are many of us who thought that the russians were one, americans, and the french, the english, and the germans, and the poles, even the poles, even in general, our brothers, the crimean tatars, our brothers can even be closer, even closer, for sure, a problem, a huge, huge problem. when you are right with a madman, i mean, you are dealing with a madman. putin is a madman, well, within the limits. and if

the 21st century were civilized within the limits of the modern world , this is how it went then ms. zoryana writes to me, the ex-president of the russian federation, in another drunken aria, said that russia is increasing the production of the most powerful means of destruction - is this a bluff or do their technologies really allow them to invent something there and build up ms. zoryan, your suspicions are justified. i always showed my phone in such cases, i have a phone, i say, and i said this before the war until february 24, but so quietly because i was afraid to make a fuss when putin started saying that i have a hyper-super missile there it flies so and so and so and so i say where is that i don't need a rocket if

you don't have one how can you create a rocket what are you talking about what are you lying to me that you are lying to me you don't have anything like that when i talk and in private on working with people who are now at the front i say what they say how the russians are fighting, they say everything that is available shoots no accurate projectiles, which are highly accurate. that 's the whole night, everything is like that in the 59th, 69th, 81st year. that's the end of all these conversations, what do we understand here, and secondly, if logic, logical history - is to believe that the russians would not immediately start using what is the most powerful, strongest, coolest, the most, i can't, if they had something, they will start a war in 10 months soon, and in 10 months they

would have released it. they started at least showing off somewhere, i want this one rocket, what is there, how scary they released nothing on december 11, 19th, a unit of the russian army entered the territory of chechnya , the first chechen war began in two years, the war ended with the defeat of the russians, in three years, another began, which lasted for 10 years, what is the difference between the russian federation and chechnya, the kremlin's war with ukraine why the world then pretended that she did not notice the war, was it not the fault of the west itself for raising the monster putin, or did the myth develop thanks to ukraine, or did russia introduce it? putin's monster well, i am an opponent of such logic, because i see it in the

russian so-called liberals that i am not the same to the tram if the west is like that and if it is like that if it is like that if it is like that and the impression is that the west attacked russia or that russia was forced to attack ukraine because, well, this is absolutely a fashionable word for narrative - it is absolutely putin's narrative that the west is to blame and that's why we were forced to attack ukraine because ukraine was part of the west, we had no way out, this logic stinks and is very important the moment is very difficult the soviet union, then the russian federation, can you imagine that there are such people in the state of

texas ? to be yeltsin's argument then listen, pay attention, nebraska, kansas is seceding and we have chechnya, what do we have to do, so what we have in common is that people are dying both there and there, mrs. zoryana, and the difference is that chechnya was the territory of the russian federation. we are not we can solve this issue, not we, no one, there are two mutually exclusive theses in international law, the right to impose self-determination and here there is just no such nation of donbass or

crimeans . hello, the right of a nation to self-determination, and the russians say that the borders are not contiguous, that is, as drawn , i say, it should be. everything, and now the border is changing because it is separated, something, for example, chichnia, and it has no right, it is not regulated, that's why it is there will be mutually exclusive moments, so galina, you can predict the words from holtenberg, who suggested that the events on the territory of ukraine could escalate into a world war without a doubt, i just missed it

. and i am convinced that support for the idea of ​​annexation or restoration of ukrainian sovereignty over the crimean peninsula will be difficult then and there, and then we have to sit down at the table, someone will start urging us to sit down at the negotiating table and maybe ukrainians they will agree well, because again, the choice of crimea or a nuclear bomb is not a simple question, it is not a simple question, that's why they will be like that, they all talk in a sinusoidal way, but they receive an intelligence somewhere in the same soldier camp and say , for sure, a document that they will not start nuclear weapons , so we eavesdropped, peeped, watched. look, he is coming. we will support

ukraine to the end without exception. there are no options that we did not support. let him take crimea and donbas there, and and and and the coast, which means the black sea from the caucasus side. let him take everything on the second day. the second intelligence comes out and says, listen, this guy will drop a nuclear bomb, and the word is that he did not take it. be careful, you can't allow a nuclear collision, everything is going as the play goes, the world is going on, it will take time to restore the power system, the official message is very contradictory, they say that the system was stabilized, but the connections will be until april, the disconnections will be until april - it's obvious. well, by march, i think for sure, but it's impossible to break completely, which means they will restore, then the russians will shoot, then

restore again, then shoot. i don't know. i'm gone. given the data, i am not a great intelligence officer and i am not a russian intelligence officer any more, so that i would even know if i did not say what weapons we will get when he says that the ukrainians can get weapons to fight against these martyrs with all missiles and so on, that is, there are some weapons that can really help here, there are weapons but there are no weapons to prevent air attacks on ukrainian land and on the ukrainian energy system , there are no such weapons in the world like these iron domes and not kupala, whatever, patriots are not patriots, there is no such thing, something can come, something must come will break through no matter what the defense is. therefore, this is a problem, but i want to thank the ukrainian energy workers once again, it is unquestionable, well, he is a hero, i just don't know why there is still no nomination for the title of hero of ukraine for some people who simply really make

it possible to live, live and the life of ukrainian nations these are just people who really need to put up monuments and we don't often mention it, but it's worth mentioning not only the military, not only medicine, not only volunteers, not only, not only, not only, but now a new one has appeared a heroic post - this is our energy workers. i am very interested in your opinion on what occasion, let's assume. here is the victory that drove everyone out. now how do we build a society of power on the ground and lead the country out of ruins in all senses, because enmity between people will return on any issue sofa room internet advisors but the advisers are again shouting in all public places as if it has not happened in our country yet and not on february 14th and not on february 22nd, this is tatyana tatyana, people remain human in your words, something like that,

i'm sorry, but something like that so i ionize something communist, fascist, anti-communist and anti-fascist is such a time education culture and again time and a long time it can lead to positive changes in a year five 10:15 20 30 40 50 and to think that people stopped being people and all lined up and built-in shayans i apologize as in soviet to the union, let's go to communism, it won't happen, it won't happen, mrs. tatyana, and you won't like it, you start with what everyone does, how do i, how

do i think it is necessary, around me people are gathering and saying, oh, september is so smart, so right , we speak for him later september appears like this arrogant and never makes a mistake and since september can grow when unanimity when at first the number of dropouts is greater then a political party named after me beautiful tall and hairy then further then further then further to his people and the people clap their hands and shout hurray and then september becomes who lenin, hitler, stalin, mussolini, mao zedong , etc.

people who shout and say nonsense why am i not on the networks i can't read it makes me sick and that's why i don't read and somehow i live easily and i wish you p sophia in germany there was a coup attempt among the posh there were representatives of the sect eh-e q enon of the same that they tried to storm the capitol at the beginning of the 20th year, sect 9, reptilians in the world government of chipping, and so on, why nowadays, when information is available as never before, people are so sleepy, it is the same as what tatyana conveyed, the same was asked by sofia , only after extrapolating to germany in this way, people you remain human, you read it interestingly, but some people in germany are not interested. they don't read, they don't watch, they talk to interlocutors with

people who think together for them, and here are reptilians, here are reptilians, and here they believe all this, why is it so acute now - i will tell you why that's exactly why the trumps came to power that's why the british voted for brexit and so on and so on and so on and so on about the existence of other classes, you understand that 2.5-3 thousand euros is what you say. life is difficult in europe. and this is the money that a journalist earns in paris, for example, if he works in television, it is more in paris, london is expensive, new york

is expensive, everything is expensive, but people continue to earn and people started something for them people started to think something i don't like i have two three nine four thousand euros i don't have enough, well really not enough ministers or somehow they don't understand that below, then trump comes and says i will do justice for you, it will be cool, he doesn't say take something from the rich or add to the poor what to do and here comes this hardship , and the consequences of this earthquake took place

. and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on, mistakes will be corrected and we will begin to think a little more about people, people will get a little more opportunities for self-realization and again it will freeze for tens of years. then again someone will forget something and there will be some kind of crisis again, humanity will not go anywhere from this, but it will always be like this, you know, life will end then when everything will be in order, then there will be no development . similar and where is literature because there is no drama, there are no clashes of characters, there is no love, everything is perfect oh, sad life, i didn't want to live like this, but i think that

many people want to live like this don't touch us , we are here, everything is fine here, by the way, by the way the situation is intensifying because we need to finish the program. and i will translate something here. let's start preparing for the end of the program. thank you all for watching. well, if you learned something new, then i'm glad that you didn't learn anything. it's like i did n't work well. anna eva melnyk she will probably work better than me because i forgot something and she won't forget anything from the news for sure and for eve, i will say good evening to you, not only i, together with the news team, and i will start this issue with the fact that in odesa remains without light until 300