sentence and property, i.e. oil gases in general, and also in view of the control over the remains of nuclear weapons that will ensure these processes, then no one will be against the fact that russia crystals exist, i.e. the integral version of which it is. ukraine's expert on military counterintelligence was on our air and now we will turn to another urgent problem of our time with you - this is our energy sector. of course, we will now talk about what exactly is happening with the energy, as a result, congratulations. good afternoon, evening, because it is still morning for me, it is afternoon, it is still morning for you, but in any case, you can imagine that for many people, the evening comes when

they turn on the lights and now you are, yes. and there is a very important question: what does the ukrainian critical infrastructure look like after these russian attacks, and the most important thing is even this, and the most important thing is something else. and what will it look like if the russian attacks continue? we don't we can say that they have finished everything, it is obvious that vladimir putin is preparing for new attacks and new injuries, and where is this mechanism that we understand that will allow ukrainians to survive the winter? well, i know that you also do not like to make predictions, so i will not scare people either, but with a post-apocalypse at all. i just want to understand the reaction mechanism of the response, because the

situation that exists now, it is really difficult, no one expected this. well, i think that no one could have predicted the massive destruction of our infrastructure, we had the biggest a fleet of spare parts that we were able to accumulate for several years, because we had a planned replacement of auto transformers and in ukraine there were more than 50 units that we were able to use during this time, carrying out all the repairs, that is, the modernization program helped us to last all this time for now we are very dependent on the how much quickly we will be able to get the equipment we need from the west and directly from the united states in the states where i am now because, strangely enough , the energy system of the united states electric energy is very until the ukrainian, only the

ukrainian e-e system can be placed 50 times in the american system, that is, in theory, in practice, the spare parts that we need here in america are enough, but the question is that there really is a difference between frequency and voltage, and that is why our engineers were finally able to to convince the americans that we know what to do with their equipment in order to adapt it to the ukrainian, it is really very important to get it as soon as possible in order not to freeze. well , the second thing is that of course we have to understand that already now we are switching to local generation and it is also necessary to determine that this local generation will first of all work on critical

infrastructure . to be here on a business trip to the united states and in order to provide an explanation to the american bureaucrats why their equipment can work in ukraine, how the situation will generally develop from the point of view of the possibility of autonomous providing citizens with heat, what do you want? well, really, we are talking about the fact that there is damage, there are outages, they can, er, correctly, i understand that with subzero temperatures, they are getting longer and longer, so technologically, the temperature is a matter of consumption and the difference between how much we produce how much electrical energy do we consume and this is really a problem because we can not now turn on all our nuclear power generation at full capacity because it cannot deliver all the power to the network, the network does not

is able to convey all this to consumers, that is why there are all restrictions, they destroyed all well, what is the name of the roads , roads, highways that delivered this electrical energy from nuclear plants to consumers, and it is now necessary to restore the ability to supply this electricity, this is the first, second, as for local solutions, this is local generation, and we we are asking our partners to give us e-e gas turbine generators that can solve the local problem of this generation in those areas that have just been liberated, for example, or in odesa that is now actually cut off from the possibility of receiving electricity from the outside. therefore, this is a complex issue,

and the possibility of receiving electricity imported from the european union must also be added to this issue, but for this we need money, which is also very important for the purchase of this electricity, because none of the producers of electricity in the eu will not be able to provide it to us, so this is what we are doing. we are fighting for our survival. there is a price difference between electricity prices in the european union and electricity prices in ukraine. it is very large. three times different, and since we are a welfare state and continue to keep prices low for the population, someone should cover this difference. maybe someone should take responsibility and tell the population the truth that they have not paid as much for the service as this service costs for all these 30 years. i think that the population is aware of this, but they simply do not want their prices to be raised, this is also very natural. well, that's right, but now there is a

fairly simple choice either to live with the raised prices or to freeze this winter or next, that's not either a very nice choice for people, but they have to say about this choice, too, or they, if we go to the european union, sooner or later, the population of ukraine will pay as much as ordinary people in europe pay for this service, you can say that i can argue with you because i am also against of paternalism and i am also for prices to be adequate and for people who can receive subsidies if they cannot pay, but for everyone to pay equally, but we like simple solutions in this case, now everyone understands that ukraine is not will be able to pay the full price now, and we are talking about getting this monetary support. yesterday , finally, a package of 18 billion passed the vote, despite the blocking of hungary by our beloved neighbor. this package can help us subsidize

the purchase of electricity from european countries if you buy electricity from neighboring countries of the european union and for which regions is enough for the whole country? why are you talking about the western central region where it can reach as a result, and i think the question is running electronic running on the network is not at all the way the gas goes. why am i smiling? because here in the united states, it also had to be explained to all the diplomats as to how it will happen, how the distribution takes place. no, it all falls into such a common common basket, which is then distributed . i don’t want to go to the western regions, it will all go to the network, and the network distributes

it in those directions where there is access, because we now have a lot of so-called bottle next, where we cannot deliver electricity because in the networks are broken, tell me, but if you look at this situation in the foreseeable future, how long do we need to hold out for this load to fall, this is the winter month, that is, relatively speaking, at the end of march, the situation will already improve because there will not be such a consumption of electricity. there is so much here. but really, at the end of march, our nuclear plants will produce more power than we consume at night, and we will have to decide where we can take this energy . because we cannot accumulate it somewhere,

we do not have such powerful batteries, and with nuclear plants you cannot regulate them, they are not maneuverable generation, that is, they constantly release the same amount of electrical energy, so there will be a question about how import-export will take place, despite this to the fact that everyone is now very worried about russian propaganda about the fact that we are now selling electricity, we are not selling electricity we can't even buy it because we have no money and all exports were stopped on october 10 we they even stopped supplying moldova, which is in a single circuit with us and which is connected to us. moldova will now receive electricity exclusively from romania and from the european union, and this is a very difficult issue because it really is not gas and it cannot be regulated so

easily, er, we can refuse from er for some time from er for the winter so that ukrainian industry of a non-critical nature does not er use energy or that it uses energy at night to transfer enterprises to a night work schedule to enable people to use with electricity, well, at least during peak hours, don’t you know, it’s already been done, yes, it’s already been done from the very beginning, from the first waves, all this happens in the mode of dispatcher teams, and they switched to night work on their own, because for them, it’s the most, well, the only way out as they can work because otherwise they will not be able to work at all now first of all and the first thing that is provided with

electrical energy is critical infrastructure and critical infrastructure receives constant power unlike all other consumers, the second group consumers are you and me, and already the third group of consumers is business intelligence, this is production, and that is why they work in night shifts when you and i consume less, but tell me, please. and here are all the generators that europeans are now buying and assembling for us, they can significantly change the situation, if it is simply to close certain gaps or is it necessary at all, this is a mass movement. let's buy generators in ukraine, well, without it, some small pharmacies and shops there will not be able to work. something that does not need a large one will not be able to work. amount of electricity but in fact, in order for critical infrastructure to work, such as heating

, water supply, sewage, other generators are needed, these are exactly the gas turbine generators that i talked about a little earlier, but they are, firstly, expensive, and secondly, they consume gas , this will also be a very expensive generation but without this, we will no longer be able to maintain the critical infrastructure in those places where the networks were completely damaged. the destroyed infrastructure by the russians in relation to all these massive attacks, are there now attempts to evacuate from those places where the critical infrastructure will not be restored within a few months, or is this an option at all? i wouldn’t say that we will be able to restore it within a few months, i don’t know at all those experts who draw such conclusions and it seems to me that there are

a lot of those here who want to absolve themselves of responsibility, we are doing everything to get the necessary equipment so that it arrives as soon as possible to restore this infrastructure but of course i don't have a general picture of what might happen because i don't know what the next missile strikes are planned by moscow, and how their destruction of our infrastructure will proceed in the future, because really these waves that we have already experienced are unprecedented, you say that it was difficult this is predictable but on the other hand it is absolutely logical for any dictatorship to destroy critical infrastructure in war what other way to win if you can't win on the ground as putin says and you have 50 big in reserve

autotransformers, will you think that this is enough, or will you buy more despite the fact that you already have half of them, you are asking me, well , as a person, i will buy more as a person if i know what i am dealing with, if i do not know who i am dealing with i have a business, i will not buy, we already have a huge problem. and this is our long-standing conversation with you. we can spend two hours with her. we have a lot of people who do not understand what they are dealing with, and they do not understand who they are dealing with . several years in a row and each once at each stage it turns out that they still do not understand who they are dealing with, well, this is another conversation of ours. i am not without complaints. what did you understand? this is not a complaint, i just want to say that you and i may be in a very small number of people who understand each other because all our the partners who we said

we need also told us that it is given, you somehow misunderstand everything. enough. and why did we say that we need more because we need money and financial resources for this, because all this equipment is very expensive and to keep it on warehouses for the company that provides network supply there, it is very expensive and they should have sold it several years ago according to their plans there and very well, we were lucky that this did not happen, there were mistakes in the management once and this did not happen, but this equipment actually saved us and you and i can still get electricity in our homes precisely because someone once bought more transformers than were needed for the network, and someone never sold the old ones, and this is what

helps us survive now. and as for our neighbors, they don't have any equipment in their warehouses at all, and they don't understand why we had to have all this and even more, and now we explain that we need them to give up part of what they already used. we even need new ones, we need what was in use and the expiration date is approaching or expiring and we will be happy to pick it up thank you finally you explained to me what i wanted to understand thank you i sincerely wish you success in the united states negotiate for a generator and additional e-e parts to of energy structures in milan lana zerkal advisor to the minister of energy of ukraine is now waiting for our conversation volodymyr khandogi president of the ukrainian foreign policy association extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine congratulations mr.

volodymyr because i don't know if you heard the end of our conversation with ms. zerkal i heard a little yes, you are both professional diplomats and you understand in principle what we are talking about, this is er, i would say such a general underestimation of the readiness of vladimir putin to continue the struggle up to the moment that in he will have enough resources, this is a huge problem not only for us, but also for the collective event, which is constantly waiting for the moment when putin will say that he is ready to agree on something. by the way, he told bishkek that it will be necessary to take into account the realities on the ground. it can be considered a signal that we can talk and agree, but you admit that we stole russian, well, definitely. this can be considered a signal

. the moment will come when she will really feel the results of the sanctions that are waiting for the west, but in my opinion, the personal safety margin of the russian federation is, unfortunately, much greater than what the west thinks about it, and therefore we really need to point this out to our partners and allies and to prove it with such professional conversations conducted by mrs. lano, in particular, because counting on the fact that, as they say, bobik will die, even though we all want it, uh, well, i think it is at least unrealistic, so uh, in this way we have to conduct our own foreign policy. what do you think, this is what he is saying now, in principle

, that it is necessary to try to talk with putin again, this is what the president of turkey was talking about. volodymyr zelenskyi, this may lead to some real changes. this seems to be the so-called point talks, that is, a grain agreement. let 's redirect so many ships here and so ammonia there, that's all that has always interested the russian president. i appreciate these statements erdoğan and the comments surrounding these statements through the prism of what he says. the federation absolutely clearly lies in the plane of ukraine's decision and

, secondly, through the prism of what our allies themselves declare that they are ready to support ukraine militarily and financially as much as this the situation will require. therefore, i do not want to question any efforts of president erdoğan. well, i do not know the details, but i think that this may become the subject of some conversations with the ukrainian president, and i believe that the position of turkey, so that i do not speak for today, is the foreign policy of the turk and the position regarding the war of the rural federation against ukraine, it lies in the plane of their own national interests, and the main priority of the turkish republic in the international

arena today is the jackets of the question, and therefore there is no need to talk about it i believe that these any proposals , any decisions taken by turkey, they primarily pursue this very goal and we may witness in the near future certain steps that turkey may take in relation to the fight against the kurds and, accordingly, all these peacekeeping what are the so-called peacekeeping efforts of turkey, they fit into the context of these future political steps in turkey, i mean military and political, did you read this interview angeli merkeltsaid, i did not read it in its entirety, i would have read individual statements of this interview, you mean where she regrets something about her previous steps, well, she regrets

something, but she doesn't regret something, well, that is, you can't say that she is abandoning her general line regarding ukraine, she can't do it correctly, but she even surprised me not her words because, in principle, she explains her attempt to sign the minsk agreements with the fact that she wanted to give ukraine time and as far as i understand , she sincerely believed well, she no longer believes that she could stop russian aggression by force in this way yes, please, but i have a question here: northern stream-2 was also such a tool to stop russian aggression from her point of view, but this must be understood, as far as i understand, it was not in the last interview, but she already de facto admitted somewhere earlier this decision about the construction of the turkish stream of the northern stream is wrong. i apologize to the northern stream. actually, she

made such a retreat, so to speak, saying that it was rather a proposal and it was an insistence on the part of the german business and there is tipu the german government was not the main one in this matter. that is, it really admitted that it was its mistake regarding the construction of the nord stream. and today we have a situation where we have what it predicted, or did they want the minsk agreements to be a kind of pause, so to speak? i think that maybe this is what all the participants of this process thought about themselves, in particular from the point of view of ukraine . the military capabilities of the russian

federation and ukraine, and it was absolutely normal and natural to sign some documents. we did everything. i think everything was done so that they did not become real. sign up to enable e- so to speak, to revive the armed forces of ukraine. this was really our position then, and even now, mrs. merkel is already talking about it. this is how putin reacted to this interview, that he was deceived by everyone, is this cynicism, or can he really believe that the west the very beginning interpreted him as a person with whom it is impossible to agree on anything and how you can only perceive holding hands, yes, he already said yesterday that he could not start a war in a large-scale war against ukraine much earlier, but he kind of hoped for the

viability of the minsk agreements and that these agreements will enable him to avoid this war, you see, this is a cynical, so to speak, statement of the question, but it shows that he may have such suspicions about, well, let's just say, the sincerity of the west in relation to these agreements but i think it's all the same, well, you know, it's an external political tangle of problems, and today you can evaluate it for real. the position of the west that the minsk agreements were violated first of all by putin by cutting off this war in which they were there, this is another question and the second position is that the west will and intends

to help ukraine exactly as much as needed, but on the other hand, putin could consider this whole agreement as a certain trap for ukraine, not from the point of view of the return of the territory, but from the point of view of destabilizing the situation in our country, he has always demanded from the ukrainian authorities, both during poroshenko's time and zelensky's time, to adopt such decisions that could absolutely destabilize the situation in society i think that putin understood her entourage and understood, let's say, the weakness of these agreements, but on the other hand , he counted on the fact that someone else in the ukrainian political community would buy into such proposals and in such a method well, let's say in how uh will be achieved by what methods will the same goals be achieved that he declared when deploying his intervention uh well, so to speak here more large-scale aggression already in february of the 22nd year so what is predetermined

he i i don't think he is, but his is a good word, trap, but remember, from our side, many experts and politicians talked about the minsk agreements as a trap and warned the authorities not to fall into this trap, especially when it started well, you remember the interpretations there in the memory of steinmeier, first there are political issues and then security, then borders, that is, it was really a trap broken by many small traps and thank god then we did not fall into this trap, but maybe at some stage putin realized that his calculation for this trap also did not justify himself. this war began in an active phase already in this year. in the 22nd year, in february. thank you, mr.

volodymyr . in this hour of the broadcast and it is very important that we are talking now about the fact that the position of the west is much more realistic in relation to the russian federation in relation to aid to ukraine. how the european union decided to allocate 18 billion dollars of aid to ukraine despite the obvious intervention of hungary, whose prime minister viktor roban decided to use the situation in order to get money for his country that they did not want to give in connection in violation of european standards, and so it turns out that hungarian money has now been given to ukraine , this is sometimes the case with greedy people who want to use the grief of others for the sake of their own happiness , this is also to some extent evidence of realism, and realism during war is one of the most important such things, it is the main main weapon i would say

. now i will pass the floor to my colleague ania melnyk, who will introduce you to the news release for this hour, please . good evening, thank you. the terror of the invaders in donetsk region, in bahmut, the russians kissed the rescuers who were delivering humanitarian aid to the locals. fortunately, no one was injured , the state emergency service reported.