again and again and again, that's why he seems to have heard, but uh , apparently his situation is so terrible and we hear more and more that the cameras, except for the rumors, and the nuclear threat in russia somehow, and the army turned out to be a-and so eh- it's fake in the sense that their efficiency is not comparable and it's not even nato soldiers . to what extent is ukraine not the best fighters now? however, what can it be, this is a threat that is becoming more and more just a blown threat, but at the same time, the risk remains, and it is also impossible to say that this will not happen, so we just continue to do what can be done, we will introduce

for peace of mind and understanding of our white house in order for ukraine to win this war. and you believe in you, it is possible to create this tribunal a-a in russian war crimes . efficiency is called it seems to me like a long -playing record because you need to put it on and it will be played it will collect evidence and it will have parallels have historical value because you need to record that this is the court of history with those who lived at the time decided that it was a crime and also necessary create all these conditions so that none of these war criminals could show themselves anywhere because they will be there for them how everything will be decided by the court and that's why it has meaning both in the short and long term playing, but that doesn't mean it's not the same court when a policeman appears and somehow with a stick they demand

that you stop beating your wife, it's not it, it 's not him, it's not here, bitch. we understand everything. but it's very important. mary garreland of the united states, the attorney general singled out a special prosecutor who does not even help when this is part of the assistance provided by the united states. there was news from the white house that the united states will allocate another 275 million dollars to help ukraine . as far as i remember, it is not declassified what exactly will be in this package. and help in this way to defeat the russian federation,

have the moods inside changed? weapons, and because these rockets are high-powered, they cost two million, but what is needed is just technology, clothing, equipment, on a personal level, it is much cheaper, and that is why it seems to me that there is once again the unnecessary use of only billions of dollars to help people survive the winter and we'll see what, again, this is all being done, but on the other hand, 37 billion dollars for the next year are very serious figures a-a we have given 72 billion dollars of military aid to afghanistan in 20 years a-a here these

the figures will be exceeded very much so to speak so what and this will be general assistance of 105 billion dollars so that the figures are just for us a-a astronomical and would we believe that this is a lame duck session now it will be fixed it will be done before the next congress enters they will go and get the keys to the congress and it gives us a lot of hope. ukraine's support will be predictable enough, but it will be on its own. well, it will be very interesting. first of all , she responded very poorly in the past when senator juliperman did the same thing and left

the party . she spoke very harshly about it. now they looked and saw that there is 19% support among the democrats, and if the democratic party loses, any other party can win because the president has 80% support from the second party, who chose 83% support among the democrats and she has 19, so she can with the same success go and organize her own candidacy and possibly succeed especially if there is a division into three uh, that means she is a democrat, a republican, but i will see what will happen in the horizon, they are there very much don't worry about it. and at the state level, she did a very right thing in this sense. i still don't see that i am very. what is necessary to leave the democratic party is not a positive thing. a person expresses what he considers to be right. made after the elections when it became clear to everyone

what she could have done before the georgia elections and suddenly it would be good again by the way, the race could be very important again, but this day happened, and what people thought. but all the democrats are controlled by the senate, and here they are. well, it means that you are not interfering with the balance. here is the conservative senator. yes , this is the western leadership of jo-manchen, about whom the democrats swore that he blocks all the initiatives of the president. and we thought. it is important now that he will control his son again in such a small and small advantage, thank you, thank you very much, mr. yurii yurii , i beg you, rashkin, a politician and activist in the usa, was with us

directly, we are moving forward natalya ligachova - the head of the public association detector media , the editor-in-chief of the media website, we are in touch and we are talking with her about the turbulent events in the media sphere that took place this week unexpectedly, congratulations . greetings, rain storm, so how do you understand in general , all these events ms. natalya ot tell us your vision, and the most important thing is that the question is not what happened with the doshch tv channel, but in this huge support of those people whom many ukrainians are used to perceiving as such changeable people, who have such an impression, i just sincerely do not understand what happened who call the speech a reservation in russian and demand that we do not pay attention to it, and it is so soviet in my opinion. i don't know how you perceive it . well, i also belong to those who think that it is a

pickle uh, we have monitoring uh, of publications like rain like a jellyfish, which very often spreads precisely because of the whims of russian propaganda. that is, this is not a case of uh, and well, i can only say that there can be two reasons, one well, it is more emotional, because we understand that did a lot to make him was perceived precisely as a liberal media, and almost oppositional. although he continues to fulfill the laws of the russian state, putting these displays on the innovator and so on, but russians i know there write to me, who are even very much against russia as an aggressor, and they treat russia as an aggressor, etc. well, we are surprised by such a reaction of ukrainians, and inside ukraine there may be another position, they may believe. and by the way, it seems to me

that the government also thinks that these media are useful for us, they can be used by our freedom monitoring. well for example, our speech shows that there are quite a lot of employees of the rain often on the air of this tv channel. that is, they think that way they are addressing the russian audience that is ready to hear the voice of ukraine and not only there, only the voice of putin. this is the only way i can explain it, but i think it’s what it is. well, it’s a false position. because in fact, i explained to you what it was that i knew. and how surprised was the reaction of the ukrainians, because you know that we are a movement that issued a statement that supported the decision of the national council of latvia ban, so i, uh, broadcasting in cables, uh, i explained that hmm, it's better for us. this channel is russian. yes, when there are crucified boys and

soot there, uh, there, russia, uh, usa, there is a traffic accident, when kiselyov said, er, it’s all clear. and here’s the position, as if we’re on the brink of a fight, and it’s like, so and so, it’s very blurred, and often our uh, citizens just fall for it, even if you look at the number of russian experts now in us in us comments on anything. i understand that when we talk about the economy of russia, for example indeed, perhaps there is some russian economist who is adequate, yes, against putin, there against the kremlin, there against russia, as an aggressor, he is able to give a more detailed analysis of the russian economy. but they comment on everything in our country, yulia latina , natasha, they invite you to comment on everything, who is she, why is she this ms. natalya comments, it is not clear to us why the situation with the rain has become so

strange for ukrainians, and after all, they have already fined the rain in latvia €10,000 for a map with the allegedly russian crimea, and there have already been claims in latvia, estonia and of lithuania to the point that the rain did not take any specific position but tries to drift in one direction, then in another, and now what the presenter said is not only one presenter, then several more journalists left after him to demonstrate their protest because they believe that this korostelov was telling the truth, that is, they support their army, they want to help them by equipping them with equipment, at least they sympathize with it. well, this is already abnormal. are you for the war or against it? are you just against putin? maybe, but they are the same imperialists well, who is our business again, really, the border should be there, or do they consider

any russian who entered someone else's territory with a weapon in his hands to be so cruel for their war? well, in our case, it is on the territory of ukraine , that's it when a young man says that putin is not a handsome man, but he feels very sorry for the russian boy who is apparently not guilty, that's the limit. no, you cannot consider a russian boy if he took a weapon and went to ukraine to kill and for me, for example, even more it is indicative not so much of korostylov's position, but of the leader, well, the founder, and er, raining with tsesareeva, who was crying ah on instagram and called her so she regretted and asked to apologize to those who left, that is, those who do not think that any russian boy - this is an aggressor, just

like russia, the aggressor, and today he celebrated a press conference and they already went back there because they clearly do not want to be expelled from latvia, although we have a zone, official sources of information that they are all anyway applied for a license in the netherlands , they also have a studio there, it’s unofficial information , they don’t have confirmation yet, but they don’t want to go, and he said, does russia mean an aggressor for us? yes, it’s an aggressor, and ukraine is a victim, but for me, as a conscious ukrainian citizen, this is not enough, i need him to say that every russian who came to us with a weapon is an aggressor and he is a stranger , he is a stranger and he should be a stranger to every rain employee. by the way, i can listen

to those who believes that it is possible to rain such as other rain the supposedly oppositional mass media could be useful and useful to ukraine, but they should clearly say that everyone who takes up arms is not their enemy, because serdeeva said hers: pity yes those who feel sorry for the russian boy and her should not feel sorry for anyone yes, but here another question arises, i’m saying a question that is not yet unburnt, not a tv channel audience, why the majority of people who should understand this from a moral point of view began to condemn latvia, and i told you in such a brutal way provincial countries and how they by the way, rain also read latvia's notations about

the fact that they are wrongly dismantling monuments there by the soviet occupier, that is, you had the impression that these people generally studied from some other history textbooks and do not consider this country to be occupied, this despite the fact that rain is the official latvian channel it is necessary to understand that it is not russian , but we call it a russian channel, but according to the terms of the license, it is a latvian media on which citizens of different countries work, but this media should adhere in principle to those guidelines which are generally acceptable both for the republic of latvia and for the european union, and not for those propaganda gimmicks that are characteristic of the russian federation in any form, well, this fleur, this is all the fleur of russian liberals, you understand. he is the same for the whole world. well, recently, a respected german organization who presented the benedictine award to oleksiy, and our ukrainian media personality oksana romanyuk

refused this award, and by the way, it all started in may. in may, oksana informed her colleagues that she had been nominated for this award, by the way, there very big quite big well big $20,000. there is the monetary equivalent of this award and oksana said that a russian is nominated along with her and she cannot accept this award and she she has been in correspondence with the organizers of this award for several months explaining their position, that is, they had time to change it, but they did not they didn’t change and oksana refused. i really respect her for that, and he is a dictation. he refused, as i said, again, ksenia torkova, who works now in washington, uh, at the voice of america of the russian service, was the slogan. and to him not us than we so he will be a knight of the

legion of honor i think he has been for 10 years how does alina kostenko have this order let's say she received this order only now at the event very generally well this is nonsense they do not understand many things and our task is definitely -e explain, with the event , we need to introduce exactly this kind of explanatory work, very, very, very, very much, such a targeted, systemic, we have no other way out, and it is very interesting that if you remember, er, when people in russia itself, everything always came up with some kind of categorical positions, that's all it was condemned aggression, war, repression were clearly given moral evaluations, this is already in the russian context, and liberal also has a clear definition, it

is called the house of shiza, the well-known term is the house of shiza, that is, they erected at the time of schizophrenia not their own politics and not their own adjustment, but, of course, honesty. the whole i would say the coordinate system yes the whole assessment of the social situation in russia unfortunately unfortunately ms. natalya finally let's talk about russian propaganda which is gaining new momentum now and they they are trying to make us quarrel with the poles, and the washington post also wrote that russia creates fakes about ukrainian refugees abroad. let's say we fight, what kind of counter-propaganda should we invent in order to debunk all these fakes both here in our country and abroad? in fact, it has existed for a long time in ukrainian

expert opinion. it is still the idea that it is necessary not to debunk so much. it is necessary to educate, but that is not the main thing. the main thing is that the so-called pribavking is the creation of the study of the information field. uh, and uh, creating our own messaging, narratives, and so on. that is, we will never exceed the uh, billions that go to russian propaganda, we need to write about it, but it should be done more by researchers . agenda to ask thank you very much, are your comments questions to natalya thank you nataliya ligachova the head of the media director that the editor of the site detector media was in direct contact with us now we will have a short break after what are we going to do with a tailor, we will return to the saturday political class. let's see how people who

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continue the saturday polyclopus program. angelica is gold and vitaly portnikov. the first topic of our conversation was the pope compared the russian federation with nazi germany p. vitaliy. the pope always makes this audience and addresses the faithful in this way, but lately he may have, it seems to me, a lot of such political statements and they you know, one week somehow he is more on the side of ukraine, another week we start talking about the fact that he does not understand us, compares us with the russians and i think that we are one people, we need to reconcile and so on, what kind of personal transformation is he having? is this a conjuncture the world forces him to change in this way because we can talk about the current situation when we talk about the priest, well, the priest fulfills his duties. by the way, i do not think that this is a political statement. he is not talking about the state, he is saying that there are actions that remind

the holocaust was not a comparison with nazi germany as such. these were the words that putin's russia is doing to the ukrainians what hitler's germany did to the jews when he met precisely about the holocaust. and this is absolutely not inconsistent with what he said before, even before he spoke about specific people about culture well, as a humanistic person, as a person who wants to sympathize with everyone , but when it comes to specific crimes, they are specifically evaluated, this is the first, the second, i wanted to kill , after all, i would like to remind you that certain things are happening changes so when the pope spoke all this about the two sides, about the need for reconciliation, pro-humanism, he was commenting essentially on a military conflict. what russia was doing, she emphasized that it was destroying the ukrainian military infrastructure. and the ukrainian army at that time

was fighting the russian army, we always said no , in fact, it is not a war the army, the war is from the people, the russians said we don't fire at a civilian object , we don't admit it, what kind of shopping center is there? there was military equipment, how was it in kyiv, do you remember what the name of this was the shopping center is famous, some of them destroyed it, it is already working, uh, river mall, in a different way, we are ready, yes, where is the grass, absolutely, yes, did you get into the shopping center in kremenchug, it was as if they were shooting at a military object, we did not intend to shoot, they were just trading you specifically place military facilities next to shopping centers and it was like that all the time, you can say for eight months in a row. what is happening now? vladimir putin himself says so, we are shooting at ukrainian critical civilian infrastructure. why not ? why not?

we can't. and what's so bad about this? well, we shoot, and how does the ukrainian government want to put an end to the suffering of its compatriots. let them fulfill our language, which actually means that we are a state that speaks plainly. in order to achieve political goals, we ensure the suffering of the civilian population, we fight with women and children, and not that. that we do not hide this, we believe that this is how it should be, it changes the situation, if the situation changes, these statements change, the roman pope folder, as a person who comments on this situation, who says this, it is similar to the holocaust ago that the holocaust is not a war with the army, it is a war with the civilian population, and from this point of view, russia's actions in ukraine are similar to greatness, putin is similar to hitler, what is strange here, in principle, everything is completely logical, i do not see any illogicality, that is, of course, we would like the pope spoke more harshly at the beginning of the conflict, it is obvious that i thought

it was much more adequate, but i am not the pope , i said unfortunately, the pope is precisely why he became the pope that he approaches the situation in a balanced way so as not to be accused of any engagements no, he started commenting on the situation because he is not a politician, the priest is not involved, but this situation is also being commented on, he is not involved because here is a quote i think i once told you a story that i had it was a whole scandal from an interview with vladimir putin to whom he said that if a russian soldier enters the territory of ukraine , women and children will stand in front of him and the ministry of foreign affairs of the russian federation wrote in the media in which i published this text your complaint

listen to the complaint in which the great international doctor spoke, but putin really meant that if the russian army enters the territory of ukraine, women and children themselves will stand before this army, where did the journalist get you that we want to impeach someone? this is slander. this is a violation of journalistic standards. i said what a violation of the journal is compiled here is putin here is a video here is what he says why should i interpret it the way he wants, let him hurry i will rewrite this text yes, but it was possible to interpret it that way, i interpreted it that way ministries of foreign affairs of the russian federation interpreted it differently for the pope, there is a problem with this because it is not a sermon, not even a pontiff's speech - it is not journalism, it must be clearly based on clear words. now i think everyone perfectly understands what putin meant when he said that we will appoint women and children that there will be women and children and children in front of our

army he meant what he meant now there are no different questions now look what to ask putin now tell me about women and children what did you mean he said then i will say well then of course we are let's put them in front of our soldiers, what are they doing? they didn't suffer. and if we want them not to stand there, let zelensky surrender. so now everything is clear to everyone, and putin usually behaves absolutely brutally, and this is a huge problem. we are glad that the pontiff is at least reaching the position we need, which is absolutely and true about russia's armed aggression against ukraine and the destruction of the essence of the ukrainian people as such. vitaly. by the way, putin visited the crimean bridge this week. he drove around in a mercedes. by the way, why not the authorities? he likes something foreign production, uh, foreign auto industry, well, as always, it's normal

for russian officials. i remember that once upon a time, when boris nimtsov was the first prime minister of the russian federation, he had an idea to replace uh, the automobile fleet for russian officials russian cars, although it is absolutely logical. it’s good that all over the world, swedes, as you understand, drive. they don’t drive mercedes, they drive volvos, but the germans just drive mercedes or something or bmw, but not american or japanese cars. and so on it is absolutely normal that we produce cars in our country. here is the government of this country. people who have the trust of the citizens drive us the products of their own auto industry, but not the russians who tell us how they know how to do everything the way they do . russians don't have this thought when they see that putin is in a mercedes, but he tells what kind of event is bad, how everything is fine in russia

. russian psychology, because it does not ask itself such questions. but then i was not afraid. i thought that he was sitting in this bunker all the time, afraid to get out, and here he climbed onto the crimean bridge, although in fact, they could get there fictions that putin is afraid of something there putin is afraid when it comes to his health, relatively speaking, the coronavirus so that he does not catch any disease from anyone, it may be connected with certain methodical circumstances about which we do not know anything about the state of immunity about some suffered illnesses, after all, the person there is 70 years old, and she is obviously going to rule russia until 90. she must be careful, and he is not afraid of liquidation. i think that he is absolutely clearly aware that he controls the entire political system, and i think that they are fine before going to the crimea bridge learned the situation from