profit in our ukrainian e-e oil and gas, well, in particular, let's discuss oil, since we have a huge number of oil wells that do not stop either, they pump somewhere, refineries do not work in us, at least large legal ones work, only illegal or semi-legal ones, which according to various analysts market, their products make up to 20% of the market of light petroleum products, well, at gas stations, that is, ukrainian semi-legal or completely illegal, what is happening with ukrainian production, where is the oil ukrainian now well, unfortunately, we really have big problems with oil processing, because practically, as far as i'm concerned, in 1991, there were six such large supernatural factories in our block, now i'm sure that none of them are more or less normal in kremenchuk, the only thing was more or less after the attacks in russia, i don't know what is technically there with regard to our oil, so a certain part of it takes place

in poltava oblast first of all, but it is definitely not exported because ukraine has never exported primary oil in significant quantities that is, most likely it goes to these small multi-processing enterprises, because unfortunately, the large ones that he noted do not work, ukraine is generally traditional, nato bought a lot, for example, from the republics in belarus, sometimes the russian federation did not like it because ukraine liked it very much, but rostia wanted more moreover , the press itself is in ukraine for cars so that we depend on it. and here we were at the expense of belarus, but unfortunately, i emphasize the big problem that we were not involved in the creation of a powerful e-e enterprises for oil processing. that is, we are ani odesa oil refinery ani kremenchutskyi lysichansky, that is, unfortunately, they did not pay attention to this, despite the fact that many analysts constantly said

that for the economic security of the country, so that there is no dependence on other countries at all, it is desirable to have capacities for paper years that are so significant , that is, so small. there are us, but still more industrial scale, but alas, we have what we have. thank you, ivan, a shaved head consultant of the institute of strategic studies, candidates of economic sciences. thank you for including us, and he no longer listens to our conversation. oleksiy orzhyn, minister of energy and environmental protection of the 19-20s congratulations, mr. oleksiy , can you hear us? are there illegal plants? where does the ukrainian black gold go, please? well, historically, it happened that our enemies, er,

invasion, they tried to destroy this direction. and we had er, lysychansk refinery in odesa. 10 modern refineries were bought out if the brothers directly followed the example of the odesa refinery, they bought it out with lukoil, then there were very big problems, a little bit from the point of view of rearmament and access to larger processing capacities, and today it is standing, and it is very difficult to find investors in order to - they could bring volumes and it is not so difficult to do it there because there is a port infrastructure and start processing and start selling oil products on the ukrainian market, why was this a problem because russian oil is oil refining had a large share in the market, and the

kremenchug mpz and russian and belarusian petroleum products played a key role in the market there, and when investors were offered to consider odesa refineries in particular, they usually mentioned this very large market share and the fact that they potentially will not be able to withstand competition from the other side, there is a problem, in particular, with regard to the volume of oil production and how it is possible to obtain this oil at oil refineries and volumes, and again if at one time in the 19-20 last year, we talked with american investors and other potential investors. they said that , well, somehow the oil market for oil refiners should become more competitive, not so that, for example, the corn plant in belarus would close a larger share of the market there, or the kremenchug refinery, and let's remember who

owns the kremenchug refinery on at that moment, i had already become more than once that they had not only market influence, but also potential political influence, as a result, investors pecked at this direction and said that it is not dangerous to enter such capital pits, direction and investments as a result - we have oil refining. unfortunately, there is none except for the kremenchug refinery. we extract a significant amount of oil from the shabelin oil refinery, the capacity is small, but there is really a whole separate problem - it is illegal processing of these small mpz and there are

environmental and tax issues, but somehow it works out so, people find options to understand with the authorities, and the result is that we have these volumes, then at gas stations, and they are sold, in fact, there is, and even a potential increase in the volume of oil production, from the other side, well, it was such a planned e-e work e-e sixes so that there would be no oil refining in ukraine because it is more e-e taxes more gross product e-e and so it was done so that e-e ukraine consumes exactly petroleum products and does not create an oil refinery directly on to its territory well, that's the whole story - this is belarus and the whole plant is quite large, quite

efficient cerebellums, the plant worked only for ukraine, oleksia, let's go a little more to the situation with our power system is extremely complex , it remains in the odesa region. can we now consider odesa as such a regional level but after all, it is not worth dramatizing the blackout, the difference in information and assessment of both the official sources of the official authorities and the mass media is what the occupiers in the context of odesa, what is happening there now damaged substation component and linear component, as a result, it is very difficult to provide consumers with a reliable and constant supply of electrical energy dramatidy-, well, some kind of drama should be made of

this . it will be cleared precisely by substations. they do not allow electricity from our general generating facilities to be delivered, and as a result, such a potential situation is possible in any region, and what is needed here is only to wait for repair works uh wait until uh the necessary equipment is delivered to the odesa region and consumers receive the appropriate uh electrical energy there is a certain plus that the temperature is really not that low now in odesa there is plus 10 and that's all it still helps consumers to a greater extent now a-a at the same time, well, you can’t once again turn off such a situation in other

regions a-a lies understand they will now be our power system how much we lack what we can cover well let’s yes we have uh from the point from the point of view of generation, there is available generation, there is a decrease in demand from the other side . node substations and this is a unique equipment of ukrenergo equipment, which in order to restore it, it takes three, five, and maybe even more months if you download the same zaporizhzhia transformer plant, which was recently nationalized, and then all this is necessary to deliver to consumers, they are now trying to redefine these networks, that is, they switch consumers who were previously on one network to

other networks, they are given electricity according to the schedule, but this network cannot transmit more power than was previously designed, and here, er, again , er- this is a very big question. and to our anti-aircraft defense and the issue of protecting these infrastructure facilities, because the objective rashista is hitting the substations, and they are trying exclusively to make it possible for our generation to was to deliver electric power to the generation facilities, well, to destroy yours when they are damaged, this is objective, and the damage to the generation facilities, a-a thermal power plants, hydroelectric power plants, it is even more time for their restoration, because these are generally unique projects that were still built during the soviet era of the union and but they are also hitting these objects from the other side, they do not have such large resources and uh missile attack and destroying the object is not easy enough from the point of view of a missile

attack there, taking into account the fact that the missiles go astray because we really need to go to our network, which transmits to our network, which is engaged in the distribution of electric energy, and well, to hold back this blow is an assessment that there will be freaks precisely in terms of infrastructure, and it is really necessary to perceive the situation very calmly and adequately, but to prepare for a similar situation that we now have in odessa in the odesa region. that is, if you say that there are no problems in generation, and there are problems only in the plan of distribution. so why are we now entering into these negotiations with the turks so that they fit under the black sea to our debts or to shores of romania, how are they currently planning these floating power plants there, 400 mw each , there seem to be two or how many, and through moldova electricity was transported to us, is there a problem with the generation - generation also well, if the generation cannot be

fed into the network, then it is a problem if it is possible to connect to the port infrastructure and provide power. so this option is from the other side . as far as i understand, the capacities there are small, 300 to 300 mw, this is one unit of a thermal power plant. if you compare the 300 mw and 6,000 mw that we had on gas station, well, this is for comparison, but if we take a really local situation in odesa region and in odesa, it could give an opportunity to ask the critical infrastructure to give a certain capacity for consumers here, i would still try to bring these uh, well, floating generation objects to ukraine under the turkish flag in order to destroy them understood that they how far these ships will carry out a humanitarian mission in order to destroy them understood that they are already hitting an object under the turkish flag because they do not allow these objects to carry out

a humanitarian mission because again- still place in romania it's good, but in any case it's the transportation of electric energy it's also losses in the network that is, we will pay for it some commercial money price a as a result, well, so e we will also have a high price and certain costs for the transportation of electric energy here you need to have a fairly active position, let's say, so that these objects are in ukraine, actually install power oleksia, because i read that a turkish company is considering the possibility of supplying up to 400 mw of power to ukraine through power lines romania or moldova, that is, it is possible that together it is two ships that generate power generation and then it is already transferred to 400. how much is one such power plant and the power? well, as far as i know, they have somewhere there a megawatt, all the objects are four such ships, and

they are temporary. the facilities provide generation where there is a shortage, where there is uh. well, some uh . more there is a suspicion that in this way they will simply try to make a little money for moldova in moldova as well, as i understand now there is a shortage of electricity, and this is the main commercial component, not even ukraine for turks, not ukraine, moldova. of these facilities because they will use natural gas or bazoot, and this is not something today. parties, consumers, business, which cannot be

seen now, considering the fact that the technological processes are interrupted due to the power outage . well, household consumers are also suffering today, unfortunately, which hours do not reflect how much the price of energy systems really costs, and there is also the price for expensive natural gas, which will of course not be as much as it costs in our country, plus transportation. well , there is a more economical question. consumers, because we included our special corps from kharkiv region, the head of the local head of the association of processors there, and he is a deputy of the regional council, so he said that now we buy six hryvnias per kilowatt, and they are talking about what will become 12 hryvnias per kw, which will almost equal the price of electricity that they receive from i am asking for a gasoline generator well,

in fact, uah 6 does not cover the costs, this is an objective reality, and considering the fact that our state-owned enterprises energoatom and ukrhydro cover the costs of uah 70 for 68 for household, that is they work in this case at a loss of much more than 6 hryvnias, and if we add to it the questionable costs of energy restoration, that is, our friends and partners will help us somehow, but it is billions of hryvnias for the restoration of energy at the moment, and i am afraid. unfortunately, i have to confess. how much does it cost? but it can really cost more than a kilowatt-hour in europe, and we had a similar situation. we had a similar situation for gasoline and diesel, even with reduced vat , we have a price that is somewhere close to the european price, and most likely it will have to be reduced

taxes, it will be necessary to find some sources so that a kilowatt hour costs more, so that it gives the opportunity to restore energy, because well, these are colossal costs. thank you, mr. oleksiy oleksiy orzhel, minister of energy and environmental protection in 2019-20. and in conclusion, i would like to quote prime minister of ukraine denys shmyhal, who stated that the government instructed the ministry of energy to determine and submit for consideration clear priorities for turning on the electricity supply. after eight waves of missile attacks in the country, all thermal and hydroelectric power plants to varying degrees on 40% of the objects of the high-voltage network, each of us must realize that this winter we will go through significant restrictions on the consumption of electricity and the first priority is the critical infrastructure of railcars, the second priority is enterprises and objects of the military-industrial complex, the third is business which manufactures

goods and products that are critical for the country. well, the fourth priority is the housing sector. well, the only positive news is that in 10 days the sun will shine. exactly in 10 days, the sun will shine. will return to summer and every day there will be more and more sun and more and more natural light and we will use less and less electricity well, a little about countries volodymyr zelenskyi during his phone conversations with joseph biden in particular, such a conversation happened tonight volodymyr zelenskyi emphasized that ukraine strives to achieve peace and noted the importance of consolidating international efforts to achieve this goal precisely for this during the group of 20 the president of ukraine presented the formula peace, which includes 10 critically important steps, the implementation of which will make it possible to end the war , the president of ukraine outlined the vision of the ukrainian side regarding further work in this important direction and took the initiative of convening a global peace summit, we are already in touch with

iryna bogachevska, philosopher and religious expert, doctor of philosophical sciences, professor, head of the department of philosophy and pedagogy of the national transport university, mrs. equally good morning good morning please tell me your personal impression, we will talk about religious matters. i am not even talking about religious matters, but about organizational issues of the functioning of some representative offices of foreign churches in ukraine. well, that is what i would call it. this is my personal opinion, what is happening now around the legislative support for the existence of the moscow no, not like that, the uoc, not at all the moscow patriarchate and some call them the representative office of the russian orthodox church in ukraine, the church headed by mr. onufriy in ukraine. what should we do with this church now? how do you perceive all these searches? during them, there are also the conclusions that the authorities draw for themselves from these searches and the activities of the church

. er, definitely, er, the figure of metropolitan antony pokanycha as pokamecha, who er , in general, is considered, as it were, the main promoter , the main main agent, er, of the rpc policy in the er uoc, which called itself the moscow uoc of the moscow patriarchate, we er see that list we see that the searches are active again, and that they once again find evidence of direct collaboration with this

church organization, a branch of the russian church organization in ukraine. and that's why we see that the sbu is collecting information, but i'm worried about the fact that everything has been presented a-and the majority and advanced church hierarchs are mainly presented under article 161 of the criminal code of ukraine eh- eh razzhiganie inter-religious measure yes eh-eh in christmas eh-eh this is an article eh-eh according to which not one cleric, uh, still, as far as i know, he has not received more than three years

. of the spiritual seminary, and his action clearly indicates this, in particular, in his a-a post on facebook, my colleague alexander sagan, his action can easily be classified according to article 11 a-a which er-e says that er-e it is m-m let’s say so propaganda in an educational institution eh, which lead to eh actions, eh, which help eh, armed aggression, and regardless of the form of ownership of this educational institution, and the most offensive thing is that if he were presented with an advertisement not under 161, but under 111 1 - and it would be possible to

simply close this educational institution, there is such an article that allows this to be done in the basic law of ukraine, er, on freedom of conscience and religious organization, and it is also accurate, if they were constantly accused of this. maybe we should close the eparchial administration uh, what about this? could do even without a court the state structure that registered them turns out to be so that the sbu is behaving quite mildly, still, still trying to warn them, and you think, oh god, on the side of good. what are you doing? what, please, tell me what you think of this the moscow patriarchate is this after all an attempt by the security service of

ukraine to act cautiously and not lead to a confrontation among our believers? let me explain what i mean now. the fact is that the parishioners of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate in ukraine, many of these people are ideologically stitched in the direction we are now talking about, some of these people are hostages of certain interpretations of certain canons, it seems to them that the ptzu, which already has a tomos and is a recognized church in the ptzu, is founded on the kyiv patriarchy, so he is at the base, in fact, the kyiv patriarchate, the moscow patriarchate, at one time considered their irps as apostates, and this still does not allow these people to consider the possibility of going to the ptu as an alternative to the ukrainian orthodox church

it is clear to the moscow patriarchate that very delicate work must be carried out here. i do not know at what level it has been carried out all these years, but is it possible that in our church, in the near future, a religious issue will come to your attention among the people, not among the priests, but among people on different stones, on the topic of which the spears will fight here, it is quite a complex multi-level question, first of all, we must clearly understand, of course, the congregation is huge in this church, it has been for a long time the largest church, the most influential and certainly the majority of people who go there, they go there because, as we say, historically, the majority of people will be like that in general. unfortunately , ukrainian believers, let's say, do not demonstrate a high level of understanding of some theological

aspects of ordinary people. a church to a certain priest, eh, they fall into that environment that is familiar to him for many, many years, that is, this wednesday and the hobbitanie, it’s all the same that a-and they will change eh in a fundamental way, a huge part of my life. yes, it ’s not even about moving to another apartment. it’s so much deeper, that’s why we can say that those whom you said have been rewired, it ’s impossible to convince them. they will remain in their positions and it is my dream to work with them. but this is what is happening now thanks to the fact that we see how this abscess is hidden, how it becomes the property of the public, this is all that unpleasant politicized activity that the church

, in principle, should not even be engaged in it definitely affects the fact that people will be here as well . i think we see that this process is going on. do you remember what rejection there was when they refused to fight back our fallen heroes? yes, and about when they continued to change their patriarch kirill and so on. now we see that they пытаются снимать от есть острей острые моменты. this is my guide, but you can't deceive the people in the big picture anyway. and anyway, we see what's going on now. this is a situation of a difficult choice from the other side. for example, i've talked about it many times. i don't see it. the founder says that there will be some global professions from the believers of this structure. i just asked why i asked this question. it

’s just a little bit of monitoring and propaganda, that ’s margarita simonyan, who says: and we, kyiv, can’t live there. people from ilya kiva recently, but until the orthodox spirit will be in our russian ukrainian people and even hirkin, who returned, so to speak, from the war where he did not have time to fight and says that we have trouble on the fronts, trouble on the fronts, whether to believe it or not it's an open question, but he says the only thing i hope for is the prophecy of some unknown elders, yes, i don't know about the zafonsky ones, about the fact that after this raspatriarchy is expelled from the lavra, this entire russian orthodox church will begin to unify in six months russia he really hopes for this and without knowing it sincerely , but he shakes his audience with this. the factor of orthodoxy is now being activated again in the issue

of war, an absolutely real war that is being waged with weapons and deaths. the athos elders can be interpreted completely and in the other direction as any prophecy . kyiv, which actually is the mother of russian cities, can be finally restored historical justice about the prophecies of your poetry, the problem is simply that it is definitely a map of political orthodoxy, it will be played

out in moscow, and because you understand that for so many years you have invested money in this structure for so many years , you have fed the er-e-e cow, so many years you have led this quiet partisan er struggle er in the rear of the ukrainian society, but of course it is necessary in the end to try to get this, and here we see how er these propagandists who are voicing let's say this, these messengers stand up orthodox people against what yes and for that in ukraine for a long time they do not understand us again , in ukraine for a long time there is no basis for us to protest against our church, then our history, against our culture, against our mentality. religion connoisseur doctor of philosophy professor from