and in this interview, he also said that they fear that nato has opened an open conflict between nato troops and russia, that's what he just said , after all, it's a warning, there is some kind of warning plan, and it seems to me that this message is aimed at of the russian federation and its own population, because at the moment it is important for many european and american leaders to explain to their own population why they continue to support ukraine. not every country has such a bad situation, such inflation, and not every country has this to do with russian actions, but it has become such an important element of propaganda, of course, anti-ukrainian propaganda in these countries . to give without informing the population now it has become so global and such large sums are needed for humanitarian and military aid to ukraine what is the time

to work with one's own population to explain why this it also happens to reduce russian rhetoric or its effectiveness because russian propaganda in european countries has worked very effectively in recent years and in 9 months it did not lower its closures of rush tudei or something like that did not affect it because they already have a sufficient number of local channels or social networks why do we see these russian narratives ? there, ukrainians-lithuania, georgia is minimal, and the further we go to the west, unfortunately, higher, higher, this coefficient is because they are simply not prepared for this, in your opinion, why look, too, the same russia there and the same satellite, they worked in estonia , latvia, lithuania, poland, the czech republic, slovakia they worked there, they don't work there now, they worked in the same way in other countries, why is there such a difference, and

first of all, experience is personal experience. it always affects how you perceive information, and it is clear that it has been 30 years since the collapse of our country of the soviet union, but this is enough for my generation to remember something, understand and understand what muscovite is. and for an average frenchman, moscow is more like a big theater of a dream and something so cultural, they are not ready to immediately accept that it is different, after all in some of these countries there are useful idiots who, simply because of internal political struggle and or agreement with some european or traditional, as it was called, russian values, supported and propagated this position. well, the third is probably the fact that we have become hostages of our own values, the value of freedom of speech and the presentation of different opinions, which have always been cultivated in the european union, at the present moment, it has not been possible to stop in time and in some way

cut off russian propaganda, which through various mechanisms interfered in the european discourse and now it is already perceived simply as well, this is a different opinion, we should already hear it, now it works, you know, ah, i will stop immediately, why am i asking this, because a few days ago, i read on the internet russia today bragged about we moved to nicaragua and we are opening an office there from which we will talk to the whole world about russia and you know and they will because at the moment rt in spanish is the most popular and source in the spanish-speaking world they have more more subscribers than cnn, bbc, or anyone else, and even local ones, and they also work so that they provide free of charge. there, reuters gives its videos for money, and they distribute them to everyone for free, and if you go to latin american channels, half of the videos international, it will be a russia today video, but they are forming, they understand that this is a large audience through which it will be possible to influence, i.e. returning to what you said to copy while it is

possible, but it is difficult. it is very difficult and very much depends on the regions, that is, if we are talking about the so-called global south no there we lost there ours lost because they didn't go there at all with this idea so far ah viewers what do you mean by the global south and the global south is, relatively speaking, latin america africa and asia that is, we completely call it such a global rooster and there we see russian diplomatic institutions working for a long time very actively present and we see there the representation of the russian media extremely active at all levels we see their proxies there we see the support of politicians we see the involvement economic ukrainian diplomatic missions are almost non-existent or very inactive in this region all these years and other countries were engaged in their own interests of course they were not engaged in us, although yesterday i heard very interesting how the polish ambassador in india actually does more than the ukrainian embassy in india in order to promote pro-ukrainian e-naratives, but it is

not enough, we understand that this is an individual case. organizations, well, unfortunately, yes, now, let's listen to the direct speech of the head of the euro diplomat, zhuzep borel, then i will ask you good questions, what threats are real , close to us, and which may worsen, so we should not just spend more money on defense, but do it better. and this means better cooperation. we should continue to support ukraine, pay attention to current needs and start preparing for future ones. it is clear what he can mean . of the european union, what can it mean in its direct language, the word is better to spend, it is better to do it, it is better not just to spend more money

, but it is better. they say the first thing is a-a in prioritization that should be at the first stage and at the second that can give more added value, well roughly speaking you can bring 35 small generators to the city yes or you can bring and distribute them to the buildings or you can bring one which provide energy generation for all this is also better, yes, a certain prioritization of understanding the needs, the second is to do it in such a way that there is no a-a how is this a cross-over of aid in ukrainian when a bunch of donors come to us, they think that now it is important to bring the same thing without understanding that okay, you could do it better. and you better. nato would better provide it there with military support, and the european union would do better with financial and economic support . third, sometimes it is a question even of internal procedures , because everyone perfectly understands the

european bureaucracy, which should be taken into account and which sometimes has to go a little differently in the conditions of war, and they also understand, er, let’s say certain delays which happening in separate countries. this is also a question, yes, better or not, we can do it better, that's why i think that everything from the strategy to the practical implementation is on the ground. it doesn't seem to you that here he could also talk about the fact that it is better to distribute this military aid, it is better to provide it military, because now you were talking more about humanitarian aid no, it applies to military aid as well, because at the beginning of the war, ukraine asked everyone for everything yes, yes. with the military, it became more clear to work with partners, understanding from whom it is worth asking, who is better, who can give it faster. now we are already talking not only about the short-term, but what we need right now, we are also talking about a more

strategic long-term agenda, accordingly, this is also it is better to understand who can give what how is it possible to accumulate efforts let's remember when one country gives money in order to buy from another country of the european union certain equipment for ukraine and within the framework of pesco within the framework it will be possible to do other european projects. it’s clear, well, i’m ready to include my next guest. he joins us on skype. this is volodymyr rielchenko, ukrainian diplomat , former permanent representative of ukraine to the united nations from 2015 to 2019, extraordinary and plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to the united states. volodymyr, congratulations. you glory to ukraine glory to the heroes mr. volodymyr please tell me this week yourself and the european union a lot of people are talking about him now and he is not even before a difficult european winter as always europeans were scared, and already during this difficult

european winter, why did i say it was because i just want to ask you whether it is difficult for europe. this winter, well, you know, i don't think it is more difficult than previous winters. for example, i remember it perfectly. it seems that it was the very beginning of 2000, the beginning of the 7th year, when i was working in vienna, i was in austria, so to speak, and then, if you remember , there was that, of course, the main gas agreement named after yulia volodymyrivna tymoshenko, after which the sharp interruptions began with the supply of e-e gas and it always started. and then i was called to the ministry of foreign affairs of austria and asked what are you doing there if it continues, that is, they have already experienced such a crisis . i don't think that the current so-called crisis is more of a russian negative when they threaten there with frozen london, warsaw, paris and so

on, they show some irkutsk or murmansk street in this street. so i don't think that everything will be so difficult there, the fact that i have full-fledged, er, growing on me is a fact, er, means in some countries , for example, in great britain, it even led to in part, this is what led to the government crisis from office, first our big long-time fight with jones left, then he tried for two, but we see that in the politics of great britain, nothing has changed for the ukrainians after that, according to the new administration. so this is more of a threat, but just an extension of the previous story. i listened carefully to your guest. and here is what was there yesterday. what is there and so on ? do they still have influence? they continue to squeak . god knows that some people, unfortunately, in this faith, there are some leftists, some traditionalists, there are oppositions. in every country, and the main thing, you know, even these are not european countries, but more distant countries, because with

latin america, they mentioned reacting then. i am not saying the south-eastern classics, but his or india, the chinese. we need to work more in order to find much more understanding there, so that it at least by 50% it was like how we are understood in the countries of europe or the european union or nato, but i do not think that this is a crisis, you know. we should not be afraid of this, we see what kind of help is available to ukraine even in these conditions, well, let's imagine that there really is some kind of crisis methodical but nevertheless, we need some money, generators, equipment and experts. well, just financial help. so i think that we need to be afraid of this. we just need to grit our teeth and stand still, and solidarity with ukraine is not decreasing. that's why it seemed to me that this just like that well, it's an artificial, artificial narrative about this crisis in europe, that's why i'm asking it. do you have a

question? i called it a crisis. it can be just right. that russians are no longer called a crisis. just two weeks ago, i came across a video for of the english-speaking audience and which is made about how a british woman, that is, he is in english in a very, very frozen house without lights, all dressed up in the mickshall tinder program for dating, getting to know a russian guy, how he shows how he heats tea there, everything, she comes to him in moscow and there are naked girls in a warm apartment, and this was just the way it was directed, this was a professionally made video in order to promote this idea of ​​what will happen in europe this winter, mr. volodymyr, what do you think of these videos? on the citizens of the european union, the citizens of the countries of the west, i don't think it's all right, we all understand everything, we see these horrible shots, well, the same ones in the shelling of the ukrainian system every day, every hour, i watch the bbc on every source in every country

and on television, the internet, you just understand, we live now well, it's a completely different period - i'm not even clearly talking about the second world war even 20 years ago. even then, even during the events in georgia, when russia captured part of georgia, even then social networks were not so developed and today we actually see live everything that russia is doing on the territory of ukraine and all this is watched by people all over the world, so you know why they go there, well, with all that, they are rude and disrespectful, but i don’t think that this propaganda will have that much influence performed in the countries of western and eastern europe, somewhere in the far corners of the world, but i don’t think that there is anyone there, why does every second person look there, although i really agree with pandey hanna that after the tens of billions of dollars that were invested all over dasha there they were so tight-lipped there, well, that’s actually

if you take the network of the same fsb all over the world, including under the cover of diplomatic missions of russia there, this also applies. by the way, the moscow patriarchate is also an agent in ukraine. well, here’s the third agent - these are the russian mass media and i advise that here it is clearly in the first place and they will continue to invest huge amounts of money in it, but i repeat once again, we live in such a time when you know only a babushka in irkulsk it is possible to predict something else, but it is clear. now, i will remind you, now i will show you the intermediate results of the vote. do you remember? i asked those who watch my youtube channel whether russia threatens or provokes a conflict in nato. 118 people voted. 77 say that it threatens. 18% they say that no, 5% chose your option. well, i remind those who

watch the youtube channel from presivskoye, which does not have this vote, search on youtube for the channel on which this vote is and vote there. well, i return to mr. volodymyr and the question about after all, there is a summit of the european union, which is to be held in brussels this week. please tell me that in the agenda, ukraine is at the top of the agenda. this means that ukraine will be the first issue. today we heard mr. boril 's statement that, at least as of this hour, they did not manage to finalize the so-called ninth package of sanctions. but nevertheless, he expects that by the end of the day or on tuesday anyway will take place, that is, tomorrow, i think that this is the number one question, uh, there we are talking about the well-known

oil issue, that is, restrictions on oil trade with russia, in fact, a full bank on sea trade uh, well, this uh, price varnish, that is, a ceiling oil prices, i understand. although the countries were not named. well, if you don’t mind, then at least it’s not for this. well, we all already know hungary, she does n’t hide it, maybe austria herself, some other members of the european union, these are not the same sympathizers. well, miha, nothing. they called eh but that's not it there is still less, well, let’s say their attitude towards such a neutral, you know, is negative, that is, they still do not fully understand all the consequences of continuing such a policy towards russia , that is, what kind of policy is it, and that is why they probably block certain things. but that is not less, the issue

of ukraine is being considered not for the first time, in the first place there will obviously be not only when the sanction. i think there will be their conspiracy about the so-called energy aid in ukraine . we understand ukraine only now. how much of a tv viewer are you, because that step, er, ukrenergo, which i managed to implement literally a few days before the beginning of the invasion, implemented this old idea, which i don't know about. otherwise it would have to be done in the context of the empire of the european union, thank god that we did it and now we are able to get electricity through poland through hungary, of course i am not an expert in this matter, you know what it may be another matter. that there is also probably a certain shortage and the question of the price is also there because our citizens do not say there and we understand it

because the standard of living in ukraine is not the same as there but nevertheless the price of electricity in ukraine is still much less than in the countries of european society. thank you, mr. volodymyr and ms. hanna, the questions for you today, eh, will be the same in brussels. any breakthrough solutions, because i will honestly admit to you that this is exactly the eastern partnership, i have some skepticism, what do you say? well, you know, in principle, the eastern partnership, like the program, has been very skeptic for two years now, not even a year. visible not only at the state level but also at the expert level because there is a civil society forum and for the last year we have discussed in detail whether it is worth keeping this format at all because everyone perfectly understands what the eastern partnership is belarus, armenia, georgia, azerbaijan, ukraine, and

moldova. three countries that aspire to receive candidate status, two have already received this candidate status, respectively, in the last 5 years. we have belarus, which, in principle, a year and a half ago formally withdrew from a this format, only civil society remained where the dialogue is, and we have armenia with a very unclear position, according to what they want, although civil society also wants to be involved and joins therefore at the moment. i think that this summit can be important only from one point of view - from one point of view, so that the countries sit down and understand whether it is worth keeping this format at all, even though it was only a year and a half ago when its agenda was revised for the next 10 years, what should should be priorities or should it be kept at least for civil society in order to support these countries that do not have democratic governments but would like to be more involved in european processes?

but before that, let's listen to the direct speech of your successor at the un permanently as the permanent permanent representative of ukraine to the united nations and serhiy kislytsia, then a question to mr. volodymyr kinski agreements must include a new budapest memorandum moscow must sign it in the context of its denuclearization but when, exactly, after her defeat, she will sign such a memorandum and who exactly will do it on behalf of the territory with the administrative center in moscow, which is still unknown, should be agreed upon, he wrote in yourself on twitter on december 5, mr. volodymyr. please tell me that the territory with the center in moscow is a good wording, but in your opinion , do we really need it now, really? moscow

now at all should we sign any agreements with moscow now or later in my personal opinion no because i do not believe in any agreement at all with the current russian federation or with the current mine the leadership and from their own experience know this, it is another matter that no one knows today. and who are we, including what will happen in the place of this territory, which today is called the russian federation, in a year, in two, or in 5 or 10 years? well, you know the word memorandum, especially if budapest causes such video synthesis in many people and it is not for nothing that at one time we went to this, by the way, not lastly under the pressure of western countries, it is not only russia there it was not just about the export of nuclear weapons to russia

of the potential of the former soviet, which was located in ukraine. there was talk of ukraine's accession to weapons and other things, well, we were so naive then, we , you know, we still hoped. well, every young country makes mistakes at the beginning of its existence, well, this is not the beginning of our existence, but the beginning of a certain period of our independence is not the current one, i think that a lot has changed since then. but we will survive and understand that after our victory, we will look at many things in a completely different way. the main thing is that ukraine today, unlike in 1994, when the budapest memorandum was concluded, has already turned from an object into a subject of international life. uh,

aside from the global sense, and that's why you know. it's not important what will be located after a certain time in the territory that is today called moscow and its surroundings, but what will be the future system of collective security of the international i would like to be here, well, it's not mine i took her opinion from one of the broadcasts where respected political scientists spoke, including a certain russian opposition, although i do not believe in the existence of any russian position, but there were respectable people there. they said that after each , well, it somewhat coincides with the fact that i said only years ago why i was mercilessly silenced, at least until the power of the president of ukraine, not having the current one in mind, the previous ones happened, i said that in order to deform the un, the third world war is needed, uh, and that's between how can you release an engine of such things it's scary to talk. but today we see that this is how

it happens. this is the excursion i'm talking about. it was about something else, from the other side, that every world war ended with the formation of a certain new system of collective security, starting with the congress of vienna. it was not a war, but a big war . in europe then there was the treaty of versailles, then the league of nations was created, then there was the yalta conference. so what happened before? of the third world, then there was a meeting, if i’m not mistaken, and i was the bully first here, and they also created a certain collective structure in the world, that is, every time in the creation of this system of no security, it was the

winning states that took part. well, the only thing about them somehow sideways and quietly joined france for some reason after the second world war, which i can by no means call a winner, but that's not the point. so , today or tomorrow, when a new system will be created. i completely agree with them. they believe that the winners are ukraine, great britain and the usa. well, plus, maybe poland and the baltic countries. so it is to the point that we have become a subject and now we will participate in the creation of any e-e newest future system and therefore from us as well it will depend on which place in this system the territory that today is called the russian federation will occupy. well, but first we must win in this

aggressive war, which is fair for us, but for russia, and we will already as subjects dictate this new world order thank you thank you, mr. volodymyr, for participating in my program. this was volodymyr yelchenko, a ukrainian diplomat , former permanent representative of ukraine to the united nations in 2015-2019, and extraordinary and plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to the united states . we started, but we will now touch on this topic of the radbez. please tell me why and now the radbez has become a function. it exists for the radbez and not for the sake of security. what is the problem with them now, if possible, first very briefly regarding mr. kislytsia's statement, because it was very cool trolling and he didn't talk about the fact that you should sign an agreement with ukraine, and the russian federation is now demanding certain security guarantees for itself, the same as what we wanted from the budapest memorandum, but we know very well what was

in the budapest memorandum the memorandum is not even an agreement, it is a certain piece of paper that played against us, so in this case he emphasized that we are ready to sign the budapest memorandum with the russian federation in order for you to remain nuclear-free, but the guarantees are how we we have it, and i just asked pelchenko whether we should have any agreements, what do you think the answer to this question is, should we conclude any agreements? by letter or as we see it, yes , that is, we can promise the same thing if the russian federation is ready, where does it not care for you, do we need agreements, well, listen, any agreement will be equal, the question is, which one is about what and on what terms and conditions this is a russian-ukrainian agreement will it be some kind of new global agreement or european agreement, but history, unfortunately or fortunately, shows that any war will end anyway, it may be a surrender agreement, yes, it is also, in principle, a legal document, it may be something

like that, but pros if it is not will end in nothing if certain conditions are not written down, then most likely it will provoke new encroachments on the part of the russian federation, and therefore, on the one hand, the russian federation always violates any agreements it signs, and on the other hand, it always appeals to the conventions of agreements and treaties that she signed before this, and accordingly it can be if we play it correctly and very well in our tool against them, because to fix their exit from crimea, for example, or to fix a demilitarized zone on the border or to fix the impossibility of possessing certain weapons, why monitoring of certain weapons in russia well, let's remember what was in germany after the second world war, this can be done and it is important to fix it in a certain agreement. it can be within the framework of the osce. it can be multilateral, there are winners and the russian federation . and it can even be bilateral. the main thing is that this is not a new azov agreement, which we thought was solving the crisis in 2003, but in fact

provoked a lot of processes after that, but if they are returned to the security council, let 's look at it from one side, really she stood up, not for the sake of security, why, but the question is that in fact the radbe became a hostage of the conditions that were created in the 45th year for its existence, this right of veto, which was then considered very important, precisely in order to to provide security is formally used by the russian federation at the moment, but this is also one of the demonstrations that the russian federation, after all, agreements and everything. well, they like to keep, they are constantly digging into the principles. why do they have the right to do so? why should they use these tools at the moment it seems to me that security is first of all important for us as a platform that listens to broadcasts of the soviet security service, quotes from the soviet security service, they go all over the world and when they declare their positions there india or the arab emirates, and these countries that are currently present there, and this is not a pro-russian position, it affects how the

situation is perceived in their regions. when a russian representative is actually ashamed of his statements, it is also visible, it is not just that somewhere on a small forum it is said it was said to the largest platform , as opposed to the fact that the special representative of the un, for example, demonstrated there, so let's not underestimate it. plus, a lot of work is still going on behind the scenes and the hour we are watching online and this is only an hour of hard work 24/7 so that certain resolutions certain phrases appear, but there are still others. therefore, the un has not only a council, but a general assembly that was able to meet using the resolution united for the sake of peace , that is, when someone blocks in they have the right to gather and make a decision, and those resolutions with those wordings that were made there are extremely important because these wordings are then used by all countries, other international organizations, international judicial institutions, and that's it is extremely important for us