the problem is that zelenskyi has specific levers of influence, damn it. he is an educational commander-in-chief, he affects the economy, he affects the life of every ukrainian. and i, arestovych, what a tongue-in-cheek person he was, and roughly speaking, he can win sympathy. i don't believe it, because sociology during the war is the same as not knowing what to do. it's not true. they are 100% sure. and i meet it all the time. yes, what about people who six months ago could not say anything against the word arrestee yes, but now everyone calls him by one word, which i can't say simply on the air, well, it comes from the word very much, the tongue is tripping , it's the same people, the same people, all this

again, if there is one, if kolomoisky, i don't know -e film. what else can you name there? if they want to continue playing, they will have interests. well, for example, they will start going to ukraine, as we all dream there, and i constantly hear everything that they will give us. all the money that is frozen there, the russians will give us something else. we constantly talk there there is a process about a trillion dollars. if this money is in essence, then of course you know this, there will be people who want it, well, they will do everything that they have been doing for the past 25-30 years, that is, steal some part, so for this you need to take part in the political life of the country. if they want direct participation in political life, then there will be money for the arresting officer and the horseshoe, so to speak , at the bottom, this is money for people with fags, there will be money for uh, we now have many figures, roughly speaking, there are experts who, well, i look there zhdanov

yes, he has a citation rate that is just crazy. for an exporter, you can pay. everyone knows him. well , again, i’m saying that without any negativity . i’m simply saying that if possible, so it’s all the more so because he already has ukrainian citizenship. you already have the next president. well, it seems to him. they gave no, but already the next ukrainian president, in my opinion, has already been drawn, listen calmly, the arestovych block is unsightly in latynina and a couple more, but there was something to say with the slogan хороший русские это хороший украинцы , you can win calmly, that's fine, listen and ours will end with some kind of must end with some kind of er negotiations and blows, that is, psychologically to people some people who we will not be able to vote there for boyko for medvedchuk and so on because they will not be there or just how scary it will be yes and we

need to give some alternative precisely because there will be such as representatives of the fraternal people, so to speak, who were against the war, we are here , everything can be explained, everything can be sold, and to be honest, i have the expectations that i constantly hear on the air about how banal this word is, we are no longer we will be like we were before the war, well, of course we will not be like that of course yes, but unfortunately there will not be many at all after the war, but to believe that critical thinking will appear in the population, it is necessary to be a very naive person, mr. oleksiyu, that koshel because today we have two

oleksias . that's why i have to mark oleksia with the last name e p. we will have a total parliament of servants of the people. that’s right, we will get along very well then. what will ukraine become? how dangerous is it or how good will it be for us? well, first of all, i am convinced that it will be a new political force, because for president zelenskyi it will be unprofitable to take responsibility for the negativity that the servant of the people has accumulated in recent years. that is, let's remember that it is about dozens of scandals, it is such a marathon of political scandals for several months, for several years, and even in for the last six months, this marathon has not stopped either. therefore, it will be a new political force, it will be the so -called rebretting, and i think it will be a completely justified step when the president comes out and says that all new faces and only proven fighters and old team, but in any case, oleksiy

holobutsky spoke about the importance of critical thinking, that is, everything will really depend on many circumstances, from oligarchic games, from the desire of oligarchs to continue playing politics , from the role of tv channels, because today is full of monopolization of the television space, and by the way, these are quite big risks, we see now that in the first months of the war, such a format of a single marathon was justified, now we see only solid negatives from this. that is, it led to a surge in the popularity of bloggers, anonymous telegram channels , etc., that is, people start looking for information outside the boundaries of a single marathon, and at the same time , there is a great risk of disinformation, informational provocations, special operations, etc. therefore, this format should be abandoned, it is in the interests of society, but obviously not in the interests of the ruling

party, that is, everything will depend on many circumstances, but in fact, from the political-technological side, we see today a large number of politicians, public figures, experts, etc., who have suddenly gained popularity and so on. this is a matter of money and technology, because it is very easy to make new political popular projects out of famous people, but we lack, as we mentioned, critical thinking, and that is why we always vote for famous popular good guys and girls, but we do not we vote for the strategies of the program. we do not want to evaluate politicians and political forces in a pragmatic and critical way, and that is why i think that sooner or later elections will take place in our country and we will have very similar to the effect of 2014. let's remember then the political force of arseniy yatsenyuk. to this political force, but remember how quickly

they gained popularity, they started there with a few percent and became the winners of the election campaign, or let's remember the following election campaigns, voters voted for the sharia party absolutely calm down, because he is a guy who is originally funny, or he doesn’t know how to talk on the air, etc. and at the same time, we see that in some local councils in the south of ukraine up to 10% was received by this political force, so-called political force, so such virtual projects can be hoped for that we will receive a fundamentally new quality of power, i did not talk about it. i do not think that the quality of power will increase with each election cycle, we will have fewer virtual projects, we will have more pragmatism, we will no longer vote for mythical political forces and for real political forces, but we will not have a rapid transition even after the war.

that is, we will still be. and by the way, it is not only our fault, the whole world lives like this. look at the results of the last elections in italy . an alternative alternative for germany in germany for a number of other political forces, and what do you think among i don’t know people’s elected officials or maybe somewhere in the government there will be a place for valery zaluzhnyi oleksiy holobutsky i am addressing you well, this is all a very difficult question honestly saying, you see, i agree with oleksiy in most of the ways except for one thing, well, this is the main thing, yes, the country after the war will be half-ruined, poor, with

huge unemployment. pragmatically well, i don't believe that, that's why, in principle, they will vote on the basis of vital needs to refuse , and unfortunately, we do not have a history of a hundred or so 200-year-old democratic institutions that allowed to hope that people will come to their senses, shake off the dust and go to the polling stations already with an understanding of what it is necessary to build ukraine after the war, unfortunately, unfortunately, in this regard, i am a pessimist, but i am an optimist here, because it just might happen. of course , another six months is a year of military operations the number of people who have gone through wars is growing every month, the authority of the army will only grow, and the army as a caste as a group that can

effectively solve serious issues, yes, it can become well , here it is again, while i do not support it, but i'm just saying as a political expert that of course a huge number of people can arise, this is a natural question. if they are all politicians who only stole, who brought the country to this point, we, roughly speaking, you understand, russia attacked us in the 14th year, others in the 22nd year, a flourishing democratic countries prosper there and so on, but one of the countries with a huge number of problems has been attacked enough, and these problems are somehow associated with the political class that ruled this country during all the years of independence and will remember that to describe the characteristics that can be given in this class. the majority of the population are incompetent thieves and so on. and here there are military personnel who can really

become such an alternative in the minds of people. promote it happened in a lot of countries with weak institutions and power, weak democracy and so on. when the population saw the military as such a serious alternative to the political class and such an option is possible. and maybe, well, again, i say it what is possible, this is possible, such a future option is possible when, well, let's say so, there will be much more military in political political circles and we will follow the option of israel. yes, when there was still a military, they become such a basis of the country's political class, and ex- military become a premium prime ministers, presidents , and so on, at the same time, this is a democratically developed country, that is, how can i say that to a zaluzhne,

how not, how specifically ? thank you, mr. oleksiy, thank you, mr. oleksiy, thank you, oleksiy, a political technologist from the gryvin region , and oleksiy koshel, the head of the committee of voters of ukraine , were with us. we continue to talk about politics and include in the conversation yaroslav zheleznyak, the people's deputy of ukraine, yaroslav. good day to you. we see an analysis of the principle of the activity of the verkhovna rada since the beginning of the war. it is interesting what is left out. maybe i don't know the screens and even journalists there. this is what actually the verkhovna rada discovers and approves more laws than any other period in general in 30 years. that is, it is very simply explained

. to the same question, three laws were used as a basis in general, and then everyone heroically solved the problem of what to do with collisions because they voted on different norms, and then they corrected the mistakes, then they canceled what they voted on. well, i have a big request, i know that your channel people who are engaged in analytics also like to watch it, it's time, it's not done based on the number of uh, the efficiency indicator of the parliament is not like that, well, not for nothing , uh, of the u.s. congresses, they vote there on a maximum of two laws a month. and the average time for preparing a law in the u.s. is seven years well, that's because they approach their work with quality, and

quantity doesn't always mean quality, and hurry doesn't always mean that it's equal to speed. well, i just wanted to say about yesterday's draft law, which has already become law 56-55 on urban planning there are corrections. which architects already there, for example , called the law on the city of rape. well, i understand that the mayor of the city and the community also support them in this. well, it seems to me that viktor tymoshchuk from the deputy board of the center for political and legal reforms wrote quite well, who said that uh this is quite common for our country, for example, uncivilized decision-making, public policy is not done like this, it is necessary to listen to all interested parties and find a balance, the position is not a monopoly on power, ukraine is a democratic state, or at least they are trying to become one. i understand that this

draft law had no discussion or normal examination, this is not true, sorry, i already voted for this law. it is sufficient, unlike many who criticize it, i read it. and i see a huge number of round tables about business meetings and social discussions do you remember? well, this is the same information, go to the internet publicly, check the page, mayors , architects, and many other psychologists are not satisfied and have taken away the opportunity to influence those decisions, and i'm sorry not always and in an honest way, well, look, this morning, i had the opportunity to run around the city of kyiv, and there in the botanical garden, the left bank of kyiv looks very cool. well, it was, too. because of the reasons and norms, we have this carnegie center built er, or on podil, here is this monster , also causal conditions, someone agreed correctly.

we have no doubt that many developers have unfortunately, some representatives are not all, well, they are also different there, but very often they demand bribes for this from us there is no doubt. yes, how many do we have? there was a level 1 business, now it has been canceled there, but nevertheless, in terms of construction, is this happening in some other country and the dialogues were, well, once again, the question is, do you know where the regulation or more regulation is, i was cleaning up, that's why i have an obvious answer here but the same arguments . i remember exactly the same discussion on the land market. well , we have had a land market for 2 years, and the land has been taken away, whether the japanese bought it or the chinese, as we were told here in all the broadcasts, or our village has disappeared . well, that's why i really like the professional discussion once again i also don't like how the dialogue was built,

i talked about it, including using imitators. i think it could have been built better and communicated better, but in fact, well, i'm sorry, but i think that it is necessary to maintain some transparent here and there, and i understood the rules as a person who was engaged local elections, i'm sorry, i see those pelyukhs who sometimes go purely to whitewash the developers , there is nothing holy there, we add to the conversation oksana savchuk, people's deputy of ukraine ms. oksana, and you also voted for this bill 56-55 ani oksano so you set it up or so or did you vote for you here again that is, this question we are now talking about the law 56-55 which er architects have already called the law on the city of

rape er you voted for it depending on did you vote or not? explain why, uh, i’m explaining my position, since i didn’t vote for this law and i pressed the red button. i’ll explain why i, too, have been working for a long time as a local, but i can’t hear you at all. we suspect that in addition to the fact that the electricity disappeared, the telephone connection it happens so often, you know the connection with ms. oksana. well, in the meantime, let's continue talking with mr. yaroslav, mr. yaroslav. okay, the law of ukraine 76 62, which also became a law yesterday, namely regarding the selection of judges of the supreme court, so what is your position here, some have already

said, in particular, with opposition deputies from european solidarity, what is the law that paves the way for authoritarianism or the usurpation of power? well, i hardly understand what it is that paves the way for territorialism. i am also like a proposal deputy, but now the president appoints whomever he wants the verkhovna rada wants a law-abiding lawyer, even if he is not, there are not elementary requirements, now there is a competition for three from ukraine, three internationalists who demand to serve you, uh, public, and here, well, i support them, a cool demand, i have never seen it work. it is bad that internationalists should have a predominant vote, that is 4x3, this rule does not pass through the committee. well, we tried to push it through and couldn't. okay, we passed this law. mr. president has the right to veto. he can report it, then his committee will not have the opportunity, but you will decide which one tomorrow, or the judges. again appointed

people who are far from reformist, to put it mildly, this is a european demand of our candidate for the european union well, that's why once again yana has already pressed the green button for me about that - i understand clearly enough why i would do as much as was necessary from the logic of the fact that that's for sure step forward, well, because of the passport, there was nothing, now the competition is going on, an international can block any candidacy, he can't change the competition and it's bad, but block it for sure maybe, well, that is, frank ones too sorry for the second time maybe on the air the words of the creature there no longer mean how it was with us who then made a coup d'état, but it is better to make a law. great. well, i will wait for the president. i will vote with two hands . thank god for the button press in this convocation

. thank you for the conversation . continues our marathon is still a little bit before its end, in fact, we promised to talk about good russians, at least one in quotes, of course dmitriy bykov once again distinguished himself, uh, once again, he decided to tell something about how he loves ukraine and yes, but he loves her in an interesting way and you also understand in an interesting way, let's look at a small passage where dmytro bykov thinks about ukrainian literature and about one of its representatives, the bright mykola khvylovy, that is, mykola khvylovy, who was

huyovy and ego group agard and ego and plotters did not talk about the course of reading russia, although they had such a formation there as far as possible from russia, but this is not the sending of some kind of hatred and no movement away from the empire. and this is precisely because this is a movement to the west of his own problems, while he was forced to do so by his own nationalism. these are the thoughts of dmitriy bykov. you see, he understood everything about mykolai khvilovoy. it seems that when he said get away from moscow, he actually did not want to leave moscow. far from the empire, not absolutely, but it’s just like that, the problems of the west, that they

are already starting to find out that there was a certain mycologist khvylovy and a certain hart, but at the same time, not all of them even saw each other, as some emphasized yes, and they are already beginning to teach and explain that we misunderstand those writers of ours, we didn’t look there at all, we didn’t read them, and now because mykola khvylovy shot himself a bullet because he looked at this whole russian world, imperialism is, he saw that, in principle, all these the bolsheviks did something - he looked at the people they simply starved to death in the poltava oblast, did dmitriy bykov take this into account or not eh did he take into account the fact that the same mykola khvylovy khvylovy, as he says, was forced to apologize for eh for his own beliefs, well , in a word, this is some kind of strange understanding from

dmytro bykov, but not dmytro bykov. dmytro bykov is one thing that he tells himself, how he understands our e writers. literature is not only great russian, but the fact that dmitry bykov still remains in the ukrainian informer is not because we are now talking about him . they talk to him like an expert who knows something about the issue, who is still trying to establish bridges between ukraine and russia that are burning, he appeared like a heather and now they were sitting standing with their legs crossed and were nostalgic for that what kind of country was destroyed. how good was the soviet union? this is also about the goodness of dmitry bykov. what kind of soviet union did we escape from? thank god we

escaped here. putin wants to bring us back again, and here sits a good russian, dmitry bykov, who allegedly poisoned putin, but what dmitry bykov is against vladimir putin speaks, which does not mean that dmitry bykov opposes imperialism, and another interesting detail is right there with this rain tv channel, dmitri bykov was very angry that the rain tv channel was expelled from tv space from latvia yes, and he said that he was supposed to have a creative evening there on december 20, and he canceled it, then he said that in a country where licenses are taken away from independent deaths, he will not perform. how many months did he work there for three or four months? he worked in latvia and already. yes, he already turned

a respectable democratic country from a member of the european union into a terrible totalitarian, some kind of authoritarian thing. this is this. this is the power and magic of russian. television, what can you say, so to speak, rain well , there is no war in latvia yet, yes, russia did not come from here, it came to latvia, it is an opposition tv channel, and as soon as they realized that i am, i do not understand why the rain is still not in ukraine. what is happening, invite them here us there are already so many of those good russians. well, what ’s missing is only the rain in full, let’s go, well, rather, there is already a shortage of them, a lot of shortages, and to allocate them a separate air time on the nationwide marathon, they will broadcast from here to there and so to speak, a new one will begin русская револтия but such a new, cool, humane, humanitarian everything will be fine and it will be possible to continue singing in russian смотреть with light steam, all this is

what we love so terribly, what do we lack so much, for what , actually, so to speak, and we are now at war with the muscovites, i must be tired the point is, of course, i'm joking . so i remembered the episode from bucha, the very recent bucha, which experienced such terrible atrocities and people are at the point of indomitability, uh, sitting through cold times because russia is shelling ukraine, and their homes are getting cold because of the fact that there is no electricity is sitting in those days, she said, let's see in the variant ru. this is something, something, something from the soviet classics, of course, so that there is an explanation for the fact that it is not the soviet union that people miss. but in the meantime, when they were young and healthy, the pressure in them did not jump, everything was quiet and calm russia did not go to war, because russia, in principle, bought ukraine back then and by force, but now , again, i also read posts on facebook , which is also destroyed by the same russian peace

, uh, parents arranging new year's and christmas holidays, well in the world it is called christmas holidays, but in our country it is twisted due to the fact that ukraine was once again under the occupation of the soviet union, christmas was banned, instead, santa claus with a snowman was invented, all ukrainian traditions were supplanted and other 12 dishes were invented, such as fish zalivna i e and champagne soviet ah and now, even after everything that the russian world has become, parents are getting ready for their children and who is invited by santa claus well, because without santa claus ah, the children of today will be bad what was in your childhood and you did not know where it came from. this does not mean that it should be in the childhood of your children if you at least er if you at least lived in those times, then it does not mean that you want your children to live in that soviet past, we all- after all,

now we choose something else and fight for something else , we are not fighting for the soviet past, so that ukraine finally got out of this occupation, not only in a formal way, but also in a mental one, and remembered about itself, remembered what was ukrainian, restored it all uh, how much can it be restored and and was moving in some direction of europe, well, gentlemen , in the meantime, we will remind you that we, our koval market, together with the espresso tv channels, are being assembled on uavs for the military from the joint tactical group, adam and the group, as a rule, perform the most difficult tasks for them very we need this drone and the most fierce directions, this is exactly their sphere of activity, we appeal to everyone, every hryvnia is important in this and in this meeting, join the collection for the

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