well, we are returning to our traditional broadcasting of the espresso tv channel's informational marathon. in the midst of half past two, the best ukrainian experts and khrystyna yatskiv announced dear tv viewers , the presentation of the academician sakharov prize, which took place at the european parliament meeting this year , the brave ukrainian people received the prize for obvious reasons, as we understand it indeed a very honorable award and in contact with the studio now vyacheslav likhachev expert of the center of civil liberties vyacheslav we congratulate you glory to ukraine

glory to the heroes of ukraine, well, accordingly, the ukrainian people received another collective award , and i would not like to be the devil's advocate here, but the question is, did we not have extremely bright initiatives of this level that could be evaluated on an individual level? well, it is difficult for me to comment on the logic of those who accepted decision because i am in no way related to how this decision was made. but it seems to me that it was important here and it is inherent in this award, which is sometimes individual and sometimes it is like this it was two years ago that the belarusian opposition was there, this is one of the possible formats for awarding this

award, and if its parliament decided that it is difficult for it to single out something specific, an initiative, an organization or a person, and the entire ukrainian people can be a laureate of this award. this is their decision, this is a position, and zoology can agree with this. no, i am not leading because just the day before, our ukrainian human rights organization, the center for civil liberties, received the nobel peace prize, with which we congratulate the entire ukrainian people, but the prize is still we understand individually. so this is a specific organization. well, accordingly, mr. vyacheslav, we would like to ask you about the action plan of this center for civil liberties of the ukrainian organization of the nobel laureate for the next 23rd year.

there is certainly a lot of work ahead and it is difficult to try to outline the entire spectrum, it still needs to be done but what is probably most important now at this stage is the continuation of our work on documenting war crimes, crimes against humanity, violations of international humanitarian law to form a sufficient evidence base for the future prosecution of war criminals from the occupying ukraine is, on the one hand, and on the other hand, lobbying from the efforts of the international community to create a legal mechanism that will make prosecution possible, this is an extremely difficult task; currently, in our opinion, such a mechanism does not

exist and certainly the fact of awarding the nobel prize provides many opportunities, many platforms , including those that are listened to in the international community, in order to move our the vision of the future mechanisms for establishing justice, but actually, sir, we understand better. so, the nobel laureate is an extremely important story in the biography of any organization, but you said that it is even more important . in order to somehow coordinate and work productively in the matter of bringing russian criminals to justice, in your opinion, how should it be improved or optimized or i don't know speed up this process has several different levels and several different tools for solving different tasks. and

first of all, at the national level, it is definitely necessary to conduct an investigation by the national institutes of the prosecutor general's office, and the international community should provide support , both financially and expertly, and staffing by the national institute in the legal language, it is designated as the creation of a hybrid mechanism, that is, it is national justice with the involvement of international resources and support in addition, there is an international criminal court, which is considered uh well, already at the stage of the investigation of the case regarding the violation of international humanitarian law, we are talking about war crimes and crimes against humanity, definitely this is a promising mechanism when it has certain limitations within it, it is known from experience that the

international the purpose of the criminal court is to prosecute only a certain limited number of top criminals, and we should not expect that all those tens of thousands of people who were involved in the commission of crimes by the russian federations will bring this mechanism to justice, in addition, the international criminal court has no intention of examining the prosecution itself for the crime of aggression, at the moment it does not consider the crime of aggression as such, which is subject to its georgian jurisdiction, and therefore the third is probably the most important task because it is about the mechanism that currently does not exist, this is the creation of a separate special mechanism of the tribunal for the crime of aggression, this is what needs to be promoted through e-e regional institutions such

as the eu or better through the general assembly of the united nations organization, this is a certain strategic goal on which we, as well as the state institutions of ukraine, are working, it requires a very serious level of international support and, accordingly, lobbying for the promotion of this mechanism of the international community, a high level of international support is actually about this oleksandra matviychuk also spoke when the nobel peace prize was awarded, in particular to your organizations. she noted that it is necessary, as i understood from the speech, to think about reforming those institutions that for other reasons, they will cease to fulfill their direct functions, duties, er, the meaning that was laid in them when they were created, mr. vyacheslav, how to push

this matter from a dead point, in your opinion, and are any foundations already being laid for this reforms, well, of course, and precisely the work on the creation of this separate mechanism of the tribunal for the crime of aggression, this will be a precedent, this will be the first time, despite the fact that an unprovoked aggressive attack on another country is prohibited throughout the existence of the un according to its the statute has never created a specific mechanism, punished for violating this rule and there are many other people, we condemn the world condemns war crimes, abuses , genocidal practices that are sometimes used, but we do not condemn the fact of unprovoked aggression, there were no such precedents and now we need to create it i understand correctly from a legal point

of view, not from the point of view of moral condemnation of political statements, namely from a legal point of view, it will be a precedent. precisely for the crime of aggression, no one was brought to justice, well, in relation to whomever he wants and nothing to him, but it will not be uh-uh , it needs to be changed, and mr. vyacheslav, i would also like to hear a little uh-uh from you about the campaign initiative capture er, together with the ministry of foreign affairs, it is carried out by the center for civil liberties, all this in support of ukrainians who are in russian captivity, by the way, we have good news about our prisoners, for today another exchange took place, 64 soldiers of the armed forces who fought in the donetsk and luhansk directions in particular, they took part in the defense of the city of bakhmut , this officer and private sergeants are going home, all of them, all of them, these

are our heroes, and it was also possible to free a us citizen who helped our people, and the bodies of the four dead were also returned . that the company will be targeted in the information field or, again, about some practical developments and mechanisms, the problem of ukrainians who are in russian places of deprivation of liberty or illegal deprivation of liberty is divided into two different the problem of combatants who were prisoners of war who were with weapons in their hands and which is currently being solved through exchanges through negotiations, but which, one way or another, still consists in the execution of international humanitarian law, the customs and laws of

warfare, but there is another problem, the problem of ukrainian civilians who are in places of illegal detention, or simply in russian pre-trial detention centers and prisons, whose freedom russia deprived of their freedom is completely groundless and a violation of any rules of warfare, and these people are not really subject to exchange because they are not in combatants, they are not prisoners of war, they do not have such a status according to the international humanitarian rule. these are simply people whom russia receives illegally and whom it simply has to release without any uh, release without any conditions , without any exchanges, without any concessions, and the company in the world is aimed at that this problem, which was not yet the subject of special sanctions or

was part of the agenda of any negotiations with russia, became part of this agenda so that it was uh those uh problematic fields according to in relation to which the international community was under pressure on russia, this company is aimed at this. thank you , mr. vyacheslav, for your work. and, of course, for participating in our marathon . at 1:42 p.m., we inform you about the most important objects of the energy infrastructure that were not damaged during the massive drone attack this morning, ukrenergo reported on this wednesday, december 14, began with a massive drone attack thanks to the brilliant work of the forces of air defense, power infrastructure facilities were not damaged, all 13 upls

were shot down, according to the report, ukrenergo was reminded that another unit at the nuclear plant was put into operation yesterday. to this story , you need to save with understanding wherever you can save and, in general, be really tolerant of the solutions that our energy companies are currently introducing are we directing surpluses from the steering wheel to donations? meanwhile, the youngest, in an extreme speech in the bundestag , said that scorched earth tactics will not help putin . the history of the 22nd year

emphasized something that together the partners continue to support ukraine with humanitarian and financial weapons and will do it as much as necessary and this is one of the reasons why the armed forces are fighting more and more successfully. russia, which sees this, is trying to destroy the infrastructure, shoot children, women, and the elderly with rockets. it uses scorched earth tactics, but olafsholz emphasized that this will not help putin. ukrainians will continue to fight, and friends in the west will help us even more. able to withstand and pass the winter russia stands all alone during right here at the g20 ball it was visible to everyone we are firmly on the side of ukraine ukraine is resisting but so are we well today the russian invaders the building of the kherson regional military administration was fired upon, deputy head of the office of the president kyryl tymoshenko reports that around the 11th, the russians

hit the middle of the city of kherson with rocket launchers, shells hit the building of the kherson ova, two floors were damaged, according to preliminary information, there are no casualties, but we will clarify everything well and meanwhile we monitor the activities of the verkhovna rada of ukraine. although this monitoring is complicated due to the fact that we do not have access to live broadcasts, but we will learn after the fact about the decisions made , one of such decisions was just yesterday, and we will now talk about draft law 56-55, which was passed by 228 votes of people's deputies for the servants of the people, and the representatives of the exopzzh decided to coordinate as we understand our forces well, on the e-e official website, a petition has already been registered in the name of the president to promise this law, what is its controversy, we will ask anna-kyri, the deputy head of the architectural chamber of

ukraine anna, we congratulate you glory to ukraine heroes glory i congratulate you well, it has been a long time since we have seen that electronic petitions to the president on issues, so to speak , related to legislative initiatives, so quickly and with a record number of votes gained the required number of votes, the law 56:55 regarding the so-called free women of our glorious and beautiful ukrainian developers who, as the classics said so they will build where it will be profitable for them. well, everything else, so to speak, there are fears that they will be overcome with the help of appropriate new mechanisms, that is, those private companies that will also check them we understand that in our country, where corruption has been completely overcome, this is exactly the mechanism, i am rudely ironic , which can work like this, according to ms. anna, the pluses and minuses of the draft law were voted on, we understand that the vote was not as

unanimous as even the representatives of our monomajority would like to show, there were deputies who categorically put their against or abstained from voting, and instead the representatives of the former police supported this draft law. so, what dangers and possible advantages are hidden in it well, from the pluses, i can say that this is the digitalization that everyone talks about a lot. but you must understand that digitalization works and now we have had a state electronic system that is the only one in the field of construction for two years, and also all architects upload their projects to the state electronic system and permits can be obtained through the electronic system. then i have a question. why has the electronic system been working for two years and corruption has not been overcome in our country? why did this happen because all the authors of the draft law say that digitization is the only thing that will overcome corruption now. the

computer does not take damage, friends. it has been working for two years, why is corruption not over? of the regime, then this plus turns into a huge minus when we understand that the owner of such an electronic system is the ministry of regions and he can, through his controlled structures, interfere in the electronic system manually, so what is it then pluses, yes, there is a question about other pluses, i ca n’t name you this bill is absolutely written for developers, there are absolutely discriminatory norms, there are prescribed procedures in such a way that the community will not be able to go to court in any way, will not be able to influence any illegal constructions with these private controllers - it just turns out to be such a story, as i call it, a

cartel conspiracy when such structures can afford to organize only a few developers, it is very secured due to the fact that such structures must have an insurance contract for three and five million euros depending on the class of consequences of the object, i.e. when the developer will control e-e through a private urban planning structure . appointed by the ministry of regions, but the ministry of regions supervises developers, it supervises only architects, engineers, experts, other market participants, and they do not supervise developers, they cannot impose fines on them they cannot consider complaints because it is the developer's region, in principle no one can complain, and therefore, when the developer created his private structure, the state is generally removed from this

process from the construction process, local self- government bodies also completely removed them, imposed some kind of monitoring on them so that they can simply walk with cameras or peep through the fence , they cannot even enter the construction site, i.e. if the community has elected its own mayor, it expects that this mayor will be responsible, including for what is being built and it does not have any levers of influence that the city council does not have, that is why they made just such a system in which everything can be controlled by private structures, expertise, a private design company, a private urban planning control, a private state is not there at all, build what you want, and these are such privileges made only for buildings for others market participants, the procedures for how fines will be imposed are very clearly written, and this corruption feeding trough is also left to the ministry of regions. now we will have complaints to consider and fines to be imposed on everyone that is, it will also be burned, for example, with zones that

fall under the formal protection of unesco, we understand that we are talking about the kyiv part and the central part of lviv. - this is in principle a con project may not work, i don't know how powerful the influence of developers will be now, in particular well, they acquired the right of ownership of this or that plot , bought it absolutely transparently and accordingly decided to fill it up there 300 floors high, yes, maybe we will be more modest there by 257 floors, yes, and accordingly we understand that the city will lose in general how do we understand that the proportions of the city that were built, the urban urban landscape could be built over the centuries, as was the case in the central part of kyiv and as, without a doubt, is in lviv and i don’t

know in ivano-frankivsk and so on and in general in other cities that are less powerful in terms of size and accordingly how now a similar scheme will work if, of course, the president does not ask for the law, i am very i hope that the president will enact the law. i think that it is necessary to take into account the opinion of the community and the united will that this law appeared . the documentation for the architectural monument is uploaded to the register and if no approvals are received from the body authorized for the protection of cultural heritage, then such documentation is considered to be approved by the principle of private consent, these are exactly the positions that we have been shouting about for a year and a half, no one heard us, and here it finally came out

. legislation, we are in a hurry for the approval of architectural monuments. i believe that it is simply a crime, if it takes time for such approval, then we must give this time; if we need time for research, then we must give this research. to the good, i can say that we tried our amendments should be submitted by the union of architects, the authors of the bill did not want to communicate at all. we tried through other public organizations, and in the last text of the bill that i saw, they removed the principle of tacit consent from unesco sites. i will tell you why they removed it, because in 14 days, what data on this tacit consent with unesco cannot be agreed in principle, nothing is impossible, that's why, of course, they removed this norm for all other objects , e-e, the principle of tacit consent applies for 14 days, if the

project is approved, it is considered to be agreed, i.e. if the developer, the question is not only about the so-called historical monuments, here we are talking about the historical landscape in general, this question is as if it is so optical and blurred, and it is possible that now it will not have, accordingly, a specific legal content, but we understand that at one time churches were built or churches of a certain height for so that they are seen from everywhere and from all intersections and so on, if they start to interfere, for example, they take a free plot , yes, and accordingly, this plot cannot be sewn up to the fact that it is an architectural monument, but if to stick a 50-story high-rise in there, accordingly, it will spoil what is called a landscape, the visual perception of this or that plot, knowing our developers, knowing their appetites, knowing approximately their moral apparatus, so to speak, i

can imagine what simple beauties, how many unexpected places we can see. yes, i i understand what you are talking about, you are absolutely right, let's express it, ladies, and i just want to tell your viewers and everyone that there is such a community, the tool is called master plans of cities and detailed plans of the territory, that is, in the urban planning documentation that existed, the general plans and detailed plans of the territory should be set for the floor plan for such objects, restrictions should be set for this urban landscape, and this should be regulated further thanks to by the way, by the way, with the comments of the following people, they added to the draft law that the entire design the documentation must correspond to the urban planning documentation , those who violate it must bear the responsibility, but there is a great danger in the fact that the quality of these master plans of cities is detailed in the territory plan

the quality of our urban planning documentation is very low and it even happens that the master plan and you even in kyiv know that our master plan has not been approved, that is, it was valid until 2002 for 2020. i apologize, but now we have 2022 and no one has approved this master plan including due to a large number of these details of the plans of the territory due to the fact that it is approved by the architectural historians, the reference plan is not established in all the rules and this situation is not only in kyiv, this is the situation in many cities of ukraine, and that is why right now when in we have such a low quality of urban planning documentation or it is not there at all, to establish all these freedoms for developers it is simply criminal if we had clear rigid urban planning documentation with the rules by which they work and clear tools for the community, how they can follow, who they can

complain to, how it can influence then it would be possible to talk about some private structures there or something like that when our general plans are bad and there is tacit consent for the approval of monuments, not all of our monuments are entered in the registers we have registers, they are not kept very well, and therefore a field is simply created for the arbitrariness of developers, they are such minors, they are absolutely not now , not often, the stars light up, which means that someone really needs it. i have been looking at the website of the verkhovna rada since yesterday and trying to count the initiators even on on yesterday's bill already now, how do we understand the law, until the president has signed it, we still put three dots, and i just lost count, the incredible number of people's deputies, basically, i see the servant of the people almost in

number of the entire faction of the ukrainian parliament, but the analysis of the flights, so to speak, in the media led to the fact that the beneficiaries in the end are the regional developer, committee secretary vern dmytro isaenko and nataliya kozlovska, or the deputy minister about olena shulyak, by the way, she is the first on the list in the middle of the theaters of the bill, why do you think there is such a consensus, well, that is, what can all these people expect from developers that whole bills are passed in their interests and not in the interests of the local self-government and other market participants do not need to understand that these people whom you named are absolutely tangential to the construction business. dmytro isainka, like serhiy, owns huge, probably the largest developer companies in ukraine, he is personally interested in such an urban reform, let's call it so ms. kozlovska worked with

him different ministries for more than 20 years, and in fact it becomes the main beneficiary of such a draft law, when it creates a corruption window for the minister, unlimited powers without any we know how they bear responsibility. the ministry of regions does not respond to any letters from the union of architects. that is why these people gathered, ms. olena shulyak. she worked in a prepared business, and probably still works now. for some reason, the union of architects , personally, that we are some kind of corrupt people, i don’t know , i don’t have any offshore companies, for example, that’s why the people who gathered together with the confederation of builders of ukraine, which has the largest number of e-e builders, even more influential, they got together and wrote a bill for themselves