do you want to analyze the article? i'm ready. it's fine if you call me mr. viktor. i was wondering about the law. i have a lot of documents for criticism of this law. okay, i would n't delete it. i started doing it two years ago. thank you . thank you. the only thing i didn't understand until the end was whether mr. gleba was for this law or against it, yes, but, at least, we heard something like this, maybe it's a cry of the soul, we would like to add oleksandr chernenko, if there is an opportunity with oleksandr contact me by phone, uh, tell me, is there anything else, maybe there’s no light, well, i’ll just remind you that the draft law, this law, is already very strongly criticized there, already more than 40,000 and signatures have been collected, it is very strongly criticized, first of all , the mayor well, i’m already there yesterday he quoted sadovy, he

continues to write on this topic, the mayor of lviv, who will simply say that we are offered to manage the city, their hands are not tied and will say that , in fact, in fact, in fact, it is impossible to talk about local self-government without local self-government, that is, he actually believes that local self-government is completely eliminated from any decisions regarding urban planning, well, that is, in theory, he can imagine that some developer is there. as far as i understand, but in reality i do not fully understand. is this really so, but without, for example, dealing with the community? i do not i know that some historical building can be rebuilt there, for example , activists write about it as well. well, for example, they decide to build a shopping center, a shopping center, or a swimming pool there on rynok square in lviv, for example. or the swimming pool is so covered. and what if it can be opened,

well, oleksandr chernenko is still with us, mr. oleksandr. good day to you. congratulations. what is your position? have you had time to familiarize yourself with the law 56-55 , is it really that bad and what is it about complaints, if very briefly, well, very briefly, a lot has already been said, and look at this law, he has thought through the fact that there are not really many problems , and corruption in the construction sector and illegal buildings, etc. and so on . removes some of the existing problems but instead, it creates many new ones, first of all, it concerns well, let's say this, the dilution of control over the construction sphere and the actual rescue by independent bodies, so there was a lot of complaining

about the police and the whites and the city, but it creates dozens of private beasts that, if not there is a problem with the connection, apparently, in kyiv, they are connecting from somewhere now , although they say that very soon there will be no emergency shutdowns, for sure there will be some uh, it's a pity for vielov, in fact, we thought that mr. bedi and mr. chernenko would be on the line together on video link and then they can exchange counter-arguments because both of them actually studied this law and but well, you heard that the main question is that you said that oleksandr just what is this law, the law actually solves problems that actually have a lot of construction content everyone understands what it is it's a very corrupt thing and so on and so on and so on, what

else is there? oleksandr, we will try to include maybe tomorrow with this issue because it will definitely have a continuation and well, the public definitely does not want to give up. maybe you can tell us tomorrow what is being done with him. what is being done in russia in general, why did they suddenly decide that the word gay cannot be mentioned in films and anywhere in any public

space? so, if you are a russian, for example, a soldier. you engage in oral or anal or other sex with your service in the trench, then this is not considered any kind of gayism or, for example, gay propaganda from the dpr, uh, from this pseudo-republic, they said what they said from the dpr. they rape us like this or, for example, if you are a priest of the moscow patriarchate, then you can have fun with boys as minors, even for yourself, and this is also not considered a guest no in principle no propaganda again of the values ​​of the lgbt-clue and this is a class, of course, but you know, so to speak, i’m absolutely scraping it, as if you strengthen it, and so on and so on, and so on and so forth,

you glorify orthodoxy in a completely orthodox way. of course, this whole russian culture is so real, their culture is that they absolutely tolerate lies , that is, lying for them is not at all some kind of sin, although it is one of the main sins, yes, but it is also she and more truth does not exist in them, they do not have the concept of truth as such, that is, the truth is always some kind of lie that simply bends at the moment, but at the same time they definitely believe that if you say , for example, the word gay, you immediately have an orthodox cross on you, so of the moscow patriarchate and there will be no more offspring from you, the woman will stop reflecting, which means that there will be no chmobics already in the next generation, and this will be the end of russia

. i think that this city needs zora, do you understand? don't use the mole, don't infuse some kind of alcohol tincture on the dead carcasses of moles, and it's somehow also some kind of two parallel realities. elena of the island, er, a political psychologist is in touch with us, mrs. elena . good morning, we know that you also have trouble with electricity, that's why we're talking to you by phone, yes, i congratulate you, i congratulate you, the lights were turned off literally 10 minutes ago, that's it. well, nothing, i think that this will not prevent us from talking a little about what is being done with putin and his head, what kind of things are these already quite tight scraps, first of all, don't remember is there somewhere in the movies or will the word gay be in the public space, plus they are already sketching some naked body parts somewhere in some feature films, plus they say that we need as many as possible

all kinds of characters from russian fairy tales to talk about them so that traditional values to support what is happening, well, what happened is happening. there is always a washing of the city people, well , such various manipulations in order to keep them in the direction that is needed by the leadership of the kremlin regarding the topic of gays, which trains all russians to be more precise she was made so that she began to train russians , so this is a topic from the sphere of uh, well, let's say, such evolutionary dynamics of reproduction and uh, in procreation , uh, the topic of sexuality, sex always trains , probably the most, uh, after the topic of survival and how to survive in this world, that is these are two evolutionary

dynamics. we have this survival and reproduction, so this topic is very exploited, it is manipulated very much, there are enough even such information companies to simply, well, put it in people's heads that what does the kremlin need to constantly drag this topic to create some kind of threat there, because if there is a threat to reproduction, a threat to the spread of life, then this is perceived by society as a system and is very painful, and people always react to this, they want to protect everything because procreation is very important for the system for the population, for the species, for the person, well, that is, you understand now that without this, well , society will not continue, therefore, this topic is being manipulated, and all that you hear is just such manipulations, nothing more than

since then, in the russian army, it somehow exists in parallel, here are these videos, even those that fell from drones from the trenches, where two russian servicemen or mobilized, these a-a and love between them yes, such and such videos can be this too well, they can be covered we we don't know how true these videos are. then, the topic of homosexuality and in general such a phenomenon as homosexuality is present in the russian army in one way or another. well, that is, we don't know. well, we don't have research, we definitely have it there and there is nothing like that if i am an adult, it is a voluntary choice of two adults, but these are statements where the russian military complains, as they say, listen , the perekadirovs abuse and abuse us in such a way that they rape us, that is how it can be to

coexist. and again, we have no confirmed facts we can't say anything about it, it could even be some kind of whale, for which we also need to understand, but we can't deny that it exists, it's most likely just that we don't know how to measure it, there's no way to react to it that is, it is better to react to it calmly. that is, it exists, it can be in russia, it is perceived very painfully , therefore, in principle, if they see such a thing, it affects them and triggers them. well, what can i say here ? i can't, i can just talk and say that this can be an informational and psychological operation that will, well, let's say, stir up some moods and this is the same topic that putin constantly pulls, that is, this is one of

such acts of division that can be in the society there there may be people who can stand up for the rights of less than them, so lgbt. and there are people who will hate them there, and most likely in russia itself. so this is the second position is being disorganized, that is, there is such hatred for this category of people. well, that is it's hard to say anything here, it's hard to find such a professional scrotum or the truth, i honestly can't because i don't have any evidence for this. no refutation. the american historian is very good. it seems to me that he explains with a simple example how russian propaganda functions internally for his if it is called for russians when they simultaneously use the same discourse - the same narrative, for example, they can call ukrainians and nazis, and for example, there, i don't know, some

jews there, or there, i don't know, semites, i don't know who , that is, to introduce factories at the same time and an anti-semitic thing and immediately accuse ukrainians of anti-semitism, this can be presented absolutely simultaneously with the fact that two audiences are covered at once, and anti-semites and people who do not like who do not like nazis there are theoretically diapered yes it is absolutely true that russian society is very heterogeneous, that is, they have learned and trained different groups very well, that is why they create such a multidimensional multi-vector uh, well, information company, where they throw into different audiences the messages that these audiences want to hear in order for these audiences to support the policies of the authorities that is, this is such a well, the general standard scheme for the preparation of ms. ms. olena’s auditoriums. i also wanted to ask. there was a rather serious study on the media detector that analyzed 700 kg of channels

of them, they found that almost half of them, 300, somehow promote some kind of russian narratives , how much does this also coincide with your observations, and in general, well, the question, well, you don’t know. when they closed the network in contact, it turned out that it had a small effect, it was quite serious, but i don’t understand why for example, we actively promote telegram, which remains, well, first of all, still russian. well, as for me, a messenger, well, probably because it is one of the channels through which we can influence russian society, artists create our information, well, such telegram channels in order to conduct uh, our uh, companies are informational. and this is, first of all, secondly, uh, well, it is also a question that it must be regulated in some way, and i, well, i am for the fact that after all well, let’s investigate it more deeply and

then understand what to do about it, but you are absolutely right when you say that through telegram channels, especially those created by russians, narrative messages are thrown in with the offer of kremlin propaganda, that is, if any ukrainian wants to subscribe to any russian -language er, telegram channel that is not there there is no such blue and white marker mark that this is an official channel, well, it’s best not to do it, it’s better not to read these channels, because different things can happen to your brain, because all channels are subject to propaganda uh, well , there is nothing but propaganda there information, there are no facts , more precisely, they are, but it is 40%. well, 60% will be all wrapped up with fakes, some kind of slips, some kind of narratives

that are necessary for the kremlin, and well, in order for you to dive in, at least you need to have official our ukrainian channels that provide reliable information, we need to have channels where the information is verified by fact checkers. and then , having this basis, that is, having reliable information, you can dive into the telegram channels of the russians and just watch there. what is going on in them there, what are they here for they throw in the leaves of such an observation that it is thrown in here that it is possible to observe, but in order to read it and take it for the truth and therefore believe in it, i do not know how to turn to such an example, which is not quite as if about there is some kind of information hygiene, but he is rather, however, how trustworthy ukrainians are in principle in matters of information, this is the story - the scandal with this writer is very bad and i think it’s just a

person well, it’s just an interesting story about what a person is, in principle, with russian with a passport, but somehow she found a job here and got into all of them. there, the mass media was the biggest at first, and then she announced herself there as some kind of nasa operator, and in principle, everyone believed him, but everyone believed him, and he became famous there , five of his books were published, people even bought them yes, it is also a question that they would buy them if it were not for this whole story, because he would simply be a no-brainer for them, and this is also a story about how much we have problems with critical thinking, on the one hand, on the other hand, we have a problem with by the fact that we are ready, for example, to consume some kind of half-truth, for example , to say, well, that’s right, well, nothing bad happened. well, he was joking a little, it also reminds me of a recent tweet by ilona maska, who probably bought twitter for this purpose, in order to sign such twitter later, who wrote something different options

the truth is, i choose the one that i think is the most entertaining. entertainment well, there is not quite such a direct quote, but it is about it, so what should we do with it, does it not show that, in principle, ukrainians are particularly vulnerable to such manipulations, maybe not as much as russians but not far. well, there is such a general human tendency to behave more towards some kind of emotional uh-uh scribbles than on information, well, such or a clear head, uh, some facts, because they are not charged, they are dry, they just say who did what, when, how, that is, in fact, well, very dry truth it's not interesting, but this is a war for attention, first of all a person , in order to provide information, so that a person pays attention, his attention must be won, therefore, in this battle, of course, various technologies that affect emotions come to the fore. these are the same headlines. well, there are some videos and some

implausible information that the braids are turning upside down because, well, it's just that inside everything turns upside down, this attracts attention, but if a person observes that something like this is happening to him, that is, such an effect on the emotional state of walking, which is always it is necessary to stop and check, that is, any person should develop such a mechanism if my emotions were affected, that is, i was affected by something, some virus would catch me, i want to spread this virus further, that is, this viral information got into my field of attention, it means that my attention was captured and i need to stop and check the information, this is the only algorithm that can save us, which can include critical thinking, control of one's emotions, but the trouble is when a person does not control his emotions, when he does not in contact with herself and does not even follow that someone has captured her attention, someone who does not have this attention is already

manipulating and leading a person where and where it is necessary, and the person begins to make the choice that the manipulator and the operator need, that is, all this also depends on the maturity of the person and how much she vkontakte with one's emotional state, and media literacy is a 21st-century skill, and the skills required for survival are very important, but some courses on media literacy are right that without emotional maturity , this media literacy can be to a certain extent only with a bonfire but but not to the end if with a vision that sees problems thank you very much mrs. olena ostrova was actually with us and and now we add to our conversation oleksandr khoruja opreso-officer of the state emergency service of ukraine p oleksandr good morning good morning good morning glory to ukraine to ask you about that what

does the situation with the security of communications look like now, with the fact that now there are a lot of all kinds of battery generators and other, uh, um, all kinds of gadgets that people themselves solder and resolder in order to have electricity and light at home in order to be able to somehow to warm up, because i have already seen in the news that somewhere there, some couple was poisoned after those emissions from the generator and unfortunately, unfortunately, died. how common are these situations now ? yes, you are right. we have been recording such cases lately. everything is cleaner because due to the connection of electricity, the population switches to an alternative source of heating , in particular, such gas tourist burners are used as generators, which are quite dangerous because the cylinders themselves are explosive

subjects. and i want to say in general statistics that at the beginning of the year we recorded more than 75,000 fires and more than 1,300 people died as a result of the fires, including 31 children. regarding generators, we just recently had a case in transcarpathia, where people installed a generator in one of the premises, according to combustion products, carbon monoxide, and people simply poisoned themselves and died. and if we take the statistics in general, then what the ministry of health gives us on carbon monoxide poisoning is not only generators, it will be possible be and stove heating as a result of incorrect operation or boilers, we have 368 people poisoned only in november, of them 92 children and 20

died in december statistics. 97 people were poisoned, 25 children, 14 of them died, and we observe that such cases are becoming more frequent, and we are currently conducting an active information campaign regarding the prevention of such cases, in particular, and preventive measures. spread certain information and so on and so on. thank you for drawing attention to such a problem and why it is . in such a situation, well , first of all, it is the safety of people, people think that this may not happen to them, that is, they have installed a generator. maybe somewhere in the basement or basement, i will say that i will now make an air

outlet, and everything will be normal. well, that's it wrong, they are not specialists in this. we always emphasize that the generator must stand at least 6 m from windows, doors, and at least 1 m if there is a dead wall. and it has no color, no smell , nothing at all, and people may simply not notice it, let's put it this way, it's like that, you know, in sikhs and killers, who are inconspicuous. that is, it's not that there's some kind of smell there, er, there's something burnt, you don't feel something else, which accumulates this well if by generator, it is actually like an engine if it works, if it is working, for example, on boilers, then it is possible not even to feel it, but on generators, it is actually like an engine. that is, we turned off the car engine, closed the door in the garage and, accordingly, got poisoning

, poisoning by combustion products and poisoning, in particular, by carbon monoxide - this is mr. oleksandr. by the way, i saw the presenter on russian central television . i just tasted these numbers. they were very happy that children are dying in ukraine from these cases, and i do n't want to comment on it. i'll just say that these are some inhumans. i don't know. it's completely beyond understanding and beyond human morality. what they taste there and how they shell terroristically shell our housing sector and critical infrastructure objects. i'm just now watching how kherson suffers and how they work. our rescuers in kherson and how much work they are currently doing there, how do our rescuers work in bakhmut, of course, nikopol margantsi, and the russians have a taste, well, it’s just terrible. and you just go by the numbers. it’s much more. do we have any statistics every year? of course, i

want to say that yes, of course, the numbers are the numbers , but this happens every autumn and winter period because these are seasonal reasons. for the most part, i say that not only generators are the cause of these poisonings, but also boilers and improper operation improper installation and, accordingly, furnace heating, too, when there are cracks in the furnace, people do not fix three cracks, they do not cover it up, when they do not clean the chimneys and the corresponding combustion products from the eyes get into the room and so more and so on that's why i think the russians have such a job to taste i mean the mass media itself and so on but they are inhuman in this regard and here there are no comments at all yes which are currently working probably at 200% or more we

we often see these videos and photos of how they save people, ah , are there any statistics on how many rescuers actually died saving others as a result of this? and here are the conditions in which they are working now, how prepared were our rescuers for such conditions, how ready are we, in fact, always because we perform the function of both the military and when there is peacetime, and in fact one of the main ones is rescuing people, extinguishing fires, clearing rubble , and so on. now on a big, as i repeat, on a big load, now our kherson rescuers, rescuers of donetsk region, nikopol , manganese, kharkiv and all those regions, of course, which are

constantly under shelling, and in fact they work under shelling, do a huge job our pyrotechnic unit is doing it because the enemy has sown a huge area with various explosive objects, starting with anti-personnel mines, small mines, ending with cluster munitions from reactive fire detection systems, and so on, so of course we have losses, unfortunately, this is the beginning of a large-scale invasion of the russian federation in us 54 employees of our e-e were killed, about 178 were injured, six of our rescuers are in captivity of the russian federation. please tell me more about demining it's three, how long will it last, on the current scale, and i won't say that it's a

quick process, it's a long-term process, uh, it will definitely drag on for years, because now ukraine is definitely taking first place in the world due to contamination by explosive objects, and of course the washing process is not so fast. this is a long process. it is necessary to work with care, it is necessary to work carefully and accurately. well, of course, we are doing everything to speed up this process, if you take the statistics, i want to say that there were more than 39,000 engagements at our polytechnics and, at first, a large-scale secondary russian federation, more than 35,000 explosive objects were seized, and from the number of them, 2,155 aerial bombs were examined in most of the 70,000 hectares, if we take potentially contaminated territories

, then and now we have e- this figure is 174,000 square kilometers, what can it be compared to, for example, the five republics of moldova, or there are two austrias, for example, that's where the unbelievable is, incredible scale, yes, the scale is incredible. a potentially dangerous area that needs to be examined, that needs to be cleaned and then not demining, etc. and so on, a lot of work has now been added. of course, we have kherson oblast , but kharkiv oblast is also very polluted if you take it from these regions, on which we are currently working the most, our pyrotechnics pyrotechnics how do ours work now, the government has now increased the staff of pyrotechnics to about a thousand people before the war there were 600 and in the plans