it is difficult and everyone has their own instinct of self- preservation and understanding that works. moreover, ukrainians are not russians to impose on us some inherently unfair opinion, it will always not remain without a reaction, it is clear that we have a slightly different relationship between the military within it, within their society, those who do not they wanted to serve in principle . believe me, not long ago they found a way and a way not to serve and escape from ukraine. thank you ivan tymochko, the head of the reservist council of the command of the ground forces of the armed forces of ukraine was with us in contact and analyzed the features of the law 82-71, which the verkhovna rada recently adopted regarding the features of military service in conditions of martial law or a combat situation, which increase a certain responsibility for military personnel, we will continue to talk about it here, an important discussion . how does business survive in the conditions of the energy crisis ukrainian business has been used to working under martial law for more than six months at

first and now it is also adapting to power outages and even in a difficult moment they help residents how it happens further in the plot from the beginning of the full-scale russian invasion, the ukrainian authorities called on businesses to work , entrepreneurs moved to safer regions and resumed work in the liberated territories, however, in order for ukrainians to eat fragrant bread or drink coffee and a cake or shop in a supermarket , entrepreneurs had to work in new realities, and recently something with limited electricity, how do they manage it further, this is perhaps the largest shopping center in lviv, there is a huge shopping gallery, a supermarket, and

there are also many cafes and restaurants here, this business has dozens of people and hundreds of ukrainians are employed, and recently the establishment has also become a place for during power outages, you can confirm gadgets to warm up and eat something here, they use four generators with them we are trying to light up the whole room, we have prospects, we have to leave for one hundred percent security, but this is under certain conditions, if our tenants comply with our savings requirements, then we will be able to work stably, not as usual, but in such under limited conditions, i.e. to provide warmth, communication, water, etc., and for one shelter for our visitors from our employees, this is a limitation or electricity consumption by our tenants, turning off the plant daily produces more than 20 tons of various products of bread and

sweet pastries, they can provide half a million people are already used to power outages, they work in two shifts, however, they are preparing for longer work without electricity. despite this, they are convinced that bread will not become more expensive, from time to time we we switch from one power source to another. it takes up to 10 minutes and there are no special nuances in production, although a week ago there was no electricity in the entire enterprise, but now the local power engineers came to meet us and are disconnecting only a part, we ordered a generator and are waiting for its delivery in december ago, we will be independent from power outages, we will also try to adapt to power outages in lviv coffee shops , the oldest viennese coffee shop in the city is now open to visitors and is trying to work the director of the institution says that they decided to work to provide jobs for people, because there

is no question of earnings now. and when they started turning off the electricity, we had to look for alternative means of power supply. we started with candles. and it is not necessary, we have both gas and electricity, so we can work with gas in the kitchen, so far, thank god, we have a generator with which we connect kitchen appliances, that is, in general, we have one hall, an exception occurs we have already developed such a method for ourselves and we can ensure that it works one by one. where are we now with you? what did you do with the

coffee machine ? on the right, the worst institution is completely dependent on electricity, and here the lights are turned off every day, as with all lviv residents, the owner and volunteer olga teslyak cannot provide an alternative power supply to the premises, it is too costly, what can they do without electricity on kitchens are made with a flashlight, and they mainly sell sweets from the shop window and tea from a thermos. i am ready to adapt to anything, because i understand that this is not . volunteers won't be able to help, well , that is, it's all interconnected, and the question is if there were at least a schedule, if it were possible to set some schedules for those outages , then we could, i can arrange the work for everything. if i knew what to expect for tomorrow and when it turns off. this is how half of the products that are currently in the

ovens are thrown away. ukraine despite the difficulties in work, business continues to work to support the ukrainian economy and provide ukrainians with jobs in order to confidently go to our victory khrystyna parubiy roman kovalyuk tv channel espresso well, how does business work and how do ukrainians live in conditions of energy restrictions ? we will talk about this and not only with oleksiy kucherenko, people's deputy of ukraine, chairman of the verkhovna rada committee on energy and housing and communal affairs, mr. oleksiy. congratulations to the first deputies, thank you. oleksiy , ukraine, as it attracts new capacities, generates more and more electricity, our reactors there periodically start up and gain capacity, it will get more and more opportunities to give

people get a little more light, and therefore, in general, other benefits of civilization. at the same time, we understand that there is still a lot in the energy system that is lacking, there is not enough capacity, there is not enough power to cover all the needs of the civilian population of household consumers, relatively speaking as well as for industry and for business, which is still working, although this scale has been greatly reduced due to the war in ukraine. of ukrainians, in particular, in the ukrainian segment of the network, the industry practically does not work so much that it has stopped, this means that it consumes much less, why then there is not enough energy capacity for ready consumers. please give your

competent answer to this question of ordinary ukrainians. thank you. well, definitely not about that question and i see that all ukrainians really want to understand, in principle, what is going on, because this is such a chain reaction, you understand, in our country was caused by this missile strike on the 23rd in november, it was the most powerful, and this blackout that we got into, it dragged the whole chain with it, and i don't want to blame our energy engineers, but you understand that our energy system was built and was configured for one main task - this is a reliable, uninterrupted , stable energy supply. it absolutely turned out not to be. - not so flexible when i had to switch to the mode turn on turn off turn on turn on turn off and there happened a very serious event, not including that it was subjective

the factors of error were immediately i want the leadership of the state energy company that when after that rocket strike when three thermal stations of kurakivskaya te- trypilskaya teladyzhinskaya were hit and in total well, the amount of generation was reduced by 10% of the total, you understand it was 15 gb and a gigabyte and a half , well fell off in the language of the energy industry, and for some reason the entire generation was being unloaded, primarily these are nine units of nuclear power plants . now we see that the generation is being restored, but during this time it was so damaged by shocks and accidents of the network, transformer substations , automation, relays, circuit breakers, etc. that it cannot go into a stable state

and indeed now the thermal stations are affected and they will not be restored quickly there, i don’t want to predict it. but it’s not a day or two, but nuclear units are generating, that is, in a stable mode, they are now providing power. but these drops there should work, these thermal units that have to balance all this, but today their capacity is not enough, and as a result, just today i received an official answer from the ministry that there is no way they can go to the schedule, you understand everyone, work is going on outside the schedules, that is, we have a system of emergency shutdowns, by the way, today my colleagues are with you in lviv, i took part online in a round table, it was very interesting to talk with the mayor of the city and with the mayor, the deputy of the profile with the leadership of the military administration, with the deputies of the regional council of the city council from the kvoda channel we we talked to the heating workers, we talked to the residential

camera, we had a very lively discussion. my colleagues are now, uh, they are now in lviv and they are going around the facilities and looking, well, all these questions were raised, and of course the question of business is becoming the key today, a woman is a true lviv woman said yes, i am ready, but not to work. but how can i not work ? first of all, i need to feed my family, and secondly, i need to. if he does not work, i will not be able to help. and here is the system of priorities . the resource is limited, you know, you all should think about it. first of all, what about the second, what about the third, or the fourth, because the director of your water utility, a respectable person, says when and if i don’t have electricity, you won’t have water or sewerage, i have to say yes, you are absolutely, but the heat says, if you don’t have teplokomunenergo, the pumps won’t work, you don’t have them, you know. and now how much is

there? so we have minus six, it may be less, you have a little warmer there, i think, and it’s the same and that housing will bring with it internal home networks, that is, chains like that, critical infrastructure, it needs stability, so it is even difficult to say what needs to be done here. we would like to. so we went to the most important thing . to balance the situation to balance we are not even talking about improvement at this stage, but somehow to equalize again this is a wonderful woman from lviv she says give me at least some kind of schedule eternal schedule give me i will go out to work a lot at night today, there are really those who can. i understand that in the coffee shop, well, at night, it is not really needed there, but there are productions that really need to be forced or

stimulated to do so, uh, you are switching to night mode. yes, there more or less stable, we understand, because there is nuclear energy. therefore, you have to look at all those old graphs, you know, and there are a dozen of them, but they are all outdated, they are not suitable for wartime, and this is why i am already tired of the rostrum of the verkhovna rada and in all means of mass communication to demand information from the authorities, the energy management system that exists today is not effective because it is a law, all management mechanisms are regulated, decentralized, liberal , they are not for wartime, during the war, during the energy front, and a completely different system should operate, not in energy management in me there must be an energy commissioner of ukraine, you understand who i want to look at him who will be responsible for everything that happens in the energy sector of ukraine and only he will have the right to speak and give so to speak

advice and to guarantee schedules or not, yes, we have six headquarters today, i’m not kidding, 6 headquarters at the national level, different operating in energy management, it is clear that such a system is absolutely false and not effective. on this, the mayors become hostages, and you understand, utility workers and residents will become it also happens with goats, like here. sometimes it happens near you. ternopil region . yes, my friends call me and they have no electricity there for 22 hours. that is, the whole system is still absolutely correct in the country, and here in kyiv, where we still do not have schedules, we only have emergency ones, and the dispatcher's command is coming from above, and all obbywanga operators must immediately execute this command to unload the system, you understand that's why i here, first of all, we need to

calm down, and here we need to preserve the nervous system, so agree. because we have to live and win again and restore our country, golden words oleksiy kocherenko, people's deputy of ukraine, first deputy chairman of the verkhovna rada committee on issues of energy and housing and communal services joined the live broadcast of the espresso tv channel. we are going further to contact the studio. literally in a moment it will be and the editor-in-chief of defect express, oleg kadkov, with whom we will talk about the most important things , and the thoughts that came from the commander-in-chief look quite interesting now of the armed forces of ukraine valery zaluzhnyi in his last interview with the economist russian mobilization worked, it is not true that their problems are so terrible that these people will not fight, they will the tsar says it is their goal to fight and they will go. i studied the history of two chechen soldiers, everything was the same . maybe they are not so well equipped, but they

still pose a problem for us according to our estimates. they have a reserve of 1.2 million and a half people and the russians are training about 200,000 new soldiers, i have no doubt that they will go to kyiv again with us on the liaison cadets, the chief editor of defenses-express p . the pro-russian observatory and, in general, the prospects of involving more than one hundred thousand people in the war against us, yes, on the one hand, this is their delusion, and on the other hand, we understand that, well, attracting mobilized people does not mean providing them with heavy equipment, in particular , the same tanks, and so but then there is information that they are bringing the new 90s from somewhere. yes, but here the point is that in the same

material, an interview of a hostage economist in this economist is directly indicated, that even compares, for example, 408 with the state mor, which he calls a face and directly says that this is a general commander in chief who confesses two, well, for him , roughly speaking, there are two landmarks and their actions, the first is a general of the petrovsky days and in detail it is zhukov , that is, for these two examples, it is clear that well, such things as an attack without tanks with one rifle against three rifles or without cartridges with any there are simply such rubbles as there are zombies, you will fall out, sorry, of course, but simply zombie attacks, this is the reality that the russian federation faces agree and advance even without tanks and if there will be 10 and 90s or there will be 10 t-34, which of them are from the lists and

will be removed, then they were to continue it, but this is a temporary story, we understand why the russians are now so historically throwing from their fresh from mobilized potential dead they are trying to stabilize the situation at the front , so on the other hand, we understand that the weather is not cold now, the ground is not frozen, and so on, and everything is shaking a bit, but they are also using this situation because they are preparing and gathering the grouping is gradually not in one day, it is obvious, but in belarus, yes, we understand in which direction they will move, we do not know the specific tactical directions, but we understand that they are gathering groups there for a reason, so it is about what is currently recorded there according to the latest assessment data and etc. the ministry of defense therefore maintains about 11,7000, this is information as of a week ago, and at the same time

, the group plans to expand it to 25,000. territorial defense is related to the messages of the general staff and an extremely important aspect in that let's just say that there are now all the sudden inspections going on in rotation, they have been going there constantly since the spring, but the next sudden and extremely important aspect is that they are practicing quite complex things there . a threatening element. that is, it is usually not practiced during training. it is quite dangerous even during training. it is the focusing of a water obstacle, especially in the winter . but at night, that is, in the dark 24 hours a day at night to force a water obstacle in sub-zero temperatures is, well, let's say it's not an unusual practice of what happens during regular training, in principle, that is, the important aspect is that the general staff has

most likely already announced a certain marker that can be bought as an indicator of what that's exactly what it's about, for example, the conquest interviews, the sly about the fact that the border with belarus can once again turn into a front line. grouping if, for example, on people, there was a comparison, a long-range radiation survey plane was stationed there, several dozen attack aircraft were stationed on the 50th, 1.5 dozen fighters - 77 helicopters, then now this military aviation group does not have this very same military aviation group, but for the sake of understanding, for example, a50u, it recently had several landed at the airfield near minsk a few days ago, i.e. the fact is that, let’s say, the time for

that. will be insignificant in terms of time, that is, between it's not the airfield, it's not the parking lot under the hypermarket, uh, it's much more complicated, and the preparation is precisely for the reception of a significant number of attack helicopters, kyiv is there and fighter jets, all that will definitely be noticed in advance, mr. olezh, a little more of the same interview i know what can defeat this enemy, but i need resources. i need 300 tanks, 600-700 bmps, 500 hectares of sheep, then i think it is absolutely realistic to go to the front line on february 23, emphasizes the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine and says that at the moment he is getting what he is getting, but this less than necessary, he added that with such resources he cannot

conduct new major operations, although the armed forces are not currently working on one of them, and according to him, this operation is already on the way, as far as the aviation component of our capabilities is concerned, and it seems to me, taking into account certain signals in the international media that a certain kind of preparation is underway, for example, the english publication eviling stand writes with reference to its own sources that the western allies may consider supplying ukraine with new fighter jets in order to gain a decisive advantage over the russian army, but with the condition, of course, not to carry out strikes on the territory of the russian federation, the slovak authorities , and we already know this, have been discussing with nato partners for some time the possible transfer of mig-29 fighter jets to ukraine. the united states is planning to send them to ukraine. electronic equipment that turns unguided aerial munitions into smart bombs that are capable of

hitting russian positions with a very high degree of accuracy this is the walt street channel recently spoke with your defense colleague from the express who noted that he noted that giving us patriots may also indicate that there will be to protect objects from which the same planes can take off. the era of planes is coming in our partnership relations with friends, so it is still necessary to refer to the recent interview of the minister of defense of great britain or to streets for a day on the radio, and there he simply stated directly that nato never prepared for war in a way like line on line, that is, linear confrontations, how many tanks do the enemies have, only we should preferably have more of them. and he showed that, for example, ukraine is fully functioning in the paradigm system of nato hostilities, when due to high precision, that is, these are the high-precision jadem kits that were mentioned, this is the means that

allows you to turn an ordinary bomb into a high-precision bomb that hits plus or minus a few meters from the target adversary a-and we are talking about achieving extremely high operational maneuverability of means of destruction , this is again about airplanes and, in general, for nato, the concept of air air offensive and the most important . the enemy, and we understand that, taking into account the fact that the so-called vc of the russian federation, as of 21 years old, had dozens of repetitions, well, ten to one and a half times more strike fighters than the proxy forces of ukraine as of 21 years old, that we really need including western -made fighters and in adequate quantities, that is, not one or two planes. and it's normal, that is, several bright ones

, at least and really for their placement. well, because we understand that how are they ? something broke the connection, let's hope that the connection will be restored , so mr. kotkov very correctly noted the importance of aviation, and no one doubts it, well , at one time, yes. that is, well, for a long time, no one has been competing, so to speak, in the size of tanks, right? of tank groups, in particular, the first, in particular, the first iraq war in the early 90s showed that it was possible to destroy everything that hussein had so carefully preserved and gathered for so long with rocket launchers, so to speak , and they were, of course, preparing for that, but here new realities appeared, like a return to the past, tank columns again and so on, especially since they still don't give us aviation, well, you understand, for almost 300

days of the war, they didn't give aviation, and they still don't give anything, they promise a feast, it's all very well but this is not enough, this is not enough, and everything is a little untimely, as it seems to us from our position, but there are trends moving somewhere, recently we could not talk about air defense systems, er, these are unconscious, really powerful, capable of protecting something , at the moment, we are already receiving them, and soon we may even receive them patriot and this is progress, in fact, the only thing that i would like to do is somehow more efficient, but this is exclusively our wishes and the question of our influence and bringing our position to our partners, again, it is the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine valery zaluzhnyi allowed himself to express his opinion about the commander of the russian troops in ukraine, serhiy surovikin, they say that he is a typical commander of the times of peter the great in russia, he is highly rated, although certain circles mercilessly

criticize him, with all due respect to mr. surovikin, he is already a hostage if he behaves. he is an ordinary commander from the time of peter the great . let's say this is how you look at him and understand that either you complete the task or you are finished, and we realized a long time ago that this approach does not work, oleg kadkov is with us again, mr. olezhe. we ask you to continue and finish the thought here, the matter is because i don't know when they turned off, it was just inert, it fell , that's why the matter is really we need a significant list of weapons and there are a significant number of factors that were back to reality receiving in sufficient quantity, here you mentioned a little earlier , so how much we need of all this work was voiced by our glorious zaluzhny, according to which the equipment we needed, but in general, well, we hold the line of defense, we hold the line front, but well, it is extremely

difficult to develop a counteroffensive under such circumstances, so absolutely, and here again to the point, the topic is that, let's say, an active renewal of hostilities , if it begins in the near future, that is, from the side of the counteroffensive, the continuation of the offensive of the russian federation if it is spent, for example, now, and everything will be more difficult, uh, other scenarios, for example , consist in the fact that hostilities on the part of the russian federation will be actively launched by march, that is, it is really here. there may be those offensives and directions offensives which, let's say, are now considered conditional , well, safe. that is, again, this is the north of ukraine, this is kyiv, this is the kharkiv region, sumy, then chernihiv , that is, in these directions. for you to ensure the security of these regions, they are accepted, well, god forbid, god forbid,

even you thank you, mr. oleg, we have literally one and a half minutes left, christina, how should we use them properly to talk with oleg katkom well, then i dared, look, you talked about march, and maybe the russians can be ready to implement operational tasks and in january, you can. the fact is that it is quite difficult for us to evaluate the actions of the russian federation because they are not in the military troika, that is, a political decision is made there if there putin will especially say everything went on the offensive, he will not hear the streams. that there are no tanks there, there are no valoniks for a ride there, there are no, uh, their future ones, they just don’t lack so literally and figuratively yes, yes, please. continue like this, that is, here . the fact is that, let's say, the most dangerous area right now is the donbas, and there it

is . about 12 divisions, including high-caliber meat -magnet tulip tents, which are 240 mm caliber , which are designed simply to destroy whole blocks of urbanized terrain, and that's where, for example, a significant amount is sent munitions, for example, there are already significant problems, that is, they have been noticed. even the fact that they have a chasm with them, which is intended for export, for example, you are from azerbaijan, they are already using it. that is, it is an abnormal event . - it seems to me that the first target of the russian federation will be bakhmut . thank you mr. oleg oleg kadkov, editor-in-chief of defenses-express, always high-quality analytics, read more on the website of the espresso tv channel from the website of defense express well, khrystyna yatskiv and i we pass the word before this we note that kharkiv was shelled for the last hour by a s-300 anti-aircraft missile from the belgorod region but