mr. ambassador, the story with heavy armored vehicles, we understand that this story is critically necessary for us, yes, several hundred tanks, we understand that at the moment everyone is holding back, and the talk about the f16 is very good , but tanks would somehow be more realistic, in your opinion, or will it be possible to finally move from the dead point the story, if not about the abrams, at least about the second leopards, the next question is no reasons that were discussed earlier in terms of the supply of difficult - to-master equipment there are no such reasons, second tanks are available, abrams is in warehouses in america, leopard-2 is in spain, it is in germany, this decision is purely political, why it is not accepted, i can

not explain to you all the efforts that are being made at the official level, at the unofficial level with the us congress, they are still leading to the fact that the us is pushing germany to make a decision about leopards today. i don’t know why the us does not make tsyabroms, maybe there is some kind of agreement with the russians, i would not like to think about it, but i checked from my there are no points of view for providing ukraine with abrams leopard tanks now, especially after the russians are attacking the infrastructure of ukraine - this is a genocide of our dead 14 only confirmed for the evening i am not talking about what will happen, how many people are sick who need insulin and there is no there is no electricity, there is no refrigerator, how many people will die, that is, you can’t count, that’s why i think that after such shelling, the answer should be like this, it should be like this, the words are an inverted pyramid, say yes, you are shelling, we are

giving tanks another time, we are giving f16, not yet the tactics will be changed like this, we will lose with our allies, and the line is already outdated today, it is wrong, they have to correct it, well, accordingly, valeriya, we also have to take into account the so-called sanctions direction, so finally, the ninth package of sanctions was born, we would like much more serious sanctions and the presence of the ninth package in itself, you know, already on the 300th day of a full-scale open continental war, well, this, so to speak, is also evidence that not enough was done in the packages as well previous ones, in your opinion, what has not been done yet, because there may be a tenth and a 25th package, you understand, well, it will continue, russian interventionists will bomb us and so on, the story about sanctions is very good, but what key things have not yet been applied to your opinion well, i can say that

even if we are honest, we did not expect such determination of the european union and to bow down , after all, these are signs of events that european countries are doing a lot together to put pressure on russia, which was very difficult to imagine before especially with regard to germany, france, a traditional country that had a special relationship with russia , at first nothing was done that could be done quickly and unfortunately, this package does not include sanctions against the nuclear industry. together with the russian military stole the zaporizhia nuclear power station and continues absolutely, well , the crime does not work, why is the examination conducted, one of them is

the deputies, the results, that is, this is a catastrophic situation, it should not be like that, that is, because, well there is no further explanation on the energy supply . of course, they have already started there to limit the goal, but we have to look further, i would look from the point of view of circumventing the sanctions because 9 was delayed because they are there some things are the relaxation of the sanctions and it is very important that we do not lose the sanctions this is what will be very important to the russians right now, not only from the point of view of using their missiles there, but also from the point of view of specific relations in africa, let's say they are also looking for it, that is, i think what was wanted i wish that these packages would not stretch out in time at all, because this approach of gradualism no longer plays

any role, we need to see what can be done as much as possible for today and do it right away, that is, the package is already in the plan of stimulating russia to stop, they will not work now stopping the sanctions. unfortunately, there are no such people stopping the sanctions yet, although the sanctions have already started to really affect the russian economy. yes, it will be more difficult for them, but it is all in the american european model to weaken russia and our ukrainian model models we can't wait for years for this, we need to take the maximum now stopping just like that for this extraordinary interesting honest conversation on the live air of the espressova tv channel valery chaliy extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine in 15 ukraine in the united states in the 15th-19th years of the studio oleksiy goncharenko people's deputy of ukraine p oleksya , we congratulate you glory to ukraine glory to the heroes well, we are all now following the events in the balkans, as of the

last we know, the government of the series sent a request to the peacekeeping contingent of nato forces with a request to allow the country to send up to a thousand policemen and soldiers to kosovo, but kosovo decided that they had to do their own thing and the heads of state institutions signed an application for membership in the european union on december 14. the president of kosovo, yosif, called today a historic day and said that kosovo deserves to be part of the family of the european union and i know that a petition has been registered in ukraine calling for kosovo to be recognized as a sovereign state that deserves all the relevant rights and the appropriate place in this european family. the author of this petition is you right, absolutely right, and i think that it should be done. look, well, first of all, we understand who is against this, who is against the recognition of kosovo, who is against the recognition of kosovo, serbia, this is a history we know. now

let's look and simply compare, so serbia has not imposed any sanctions against russia imposed all the sanctions imposed by the european union on kosovo automatically. i am not saying that russia will fall from the kosovo sanctions, but they are on our side, and the serbs do not impose any sanctions. secondly, kosovo accepts our refugees, including journalists. thirdly, albania well, these are very connected countries, we understand , we receive all possible support from the united nations, but we do not receive any support from serbia. what do you think? how was serbia prepared? she abstained once again. well, that is, she is not against belarus, yes. well, for europe, this is the worst option in europe. even hungary, she votes for and what other

country in europe takes such a position? well, that is. all european countries support ukraine with the exception of one country. i mean the european countries for geography, with the exception of serbia, but serbia is the only one that does not support ukraine from all of europe, and i think that all our allies, the usa, canada , great britain, germany, france, poland, lithuania, latvia , have recognized kosovo. estonia, well, name our ally and they all supported the independence of kosovo. we have to do the same to prevent russia from starting another conflict in the balkans, which they now want to do with the hands of the serbs there, that's for sure because they want divert attention from ukraine and from the fact that it is ours well, that's all, now you are demonstrating to the president of serbia in his participation yesterday, he also did a great job, it will appear that russia's support for serbia in the un is precious, well, it's just precious well, i think it should be stopped this is the country that

celebrated putin's 70th birthday, the whole country was hung with banners with his portraits with the inscription happy birthday, dear our president, i'm sorry, since you can tolerate it, i urge everyone who can hear us now. it's not difficult to come to the president's website there are already about four thousand votes to sign there. we started the day before yesterday. it seems to me that it was yesterday, and please, let's do this, let's express ourselves, even just morally. and in support of the country that supports ukraine today, well, there are definitely no questions about the position of kosovo, mr. oleksiy, why is that? in your opinion, the delay was without recognition well, we understand the key argument - it is the synchronization, so to speak, of someone's vision of the ring situation with the vision of our main continental allies and overseas allies as well it is absolutely true why ukraine hesitated for a long time

until february 24, it was still possible to understand because the argument was as follows: the key for us is the inviolability of the borders. the inviolability of the borders means they are not violated. sorry for the tautology, but after february 24, it stopped any session because what is happening in ukraine is now gone and there is no one in the world, not even the serbs, and who else supports russia there, well, belarus is occupied country but everyone admits that russia is waging a war on the territory of ukraine, russia and the aggressor on the territory of serbia, no one invaded, serbia simply staged a genocide of its own population in one of its parts, it is not meant in kosovo, that is kosovo. there was simply a popular uprising that came out somewhere facto, and then the un people's court, which is very important, after considering their declaration of independence,

recognized that they had the full right to do so. nothing like this was and never will be in crimea. nothing like this was and will never be in donbas. therefore this is and warnings, which means that we should not do worse there, in fact, our position simply does not exist. well, all the more so because i repeat myself once again, and for whom, that is, the usa, canada, germany, france, great britain, and there is almost the entire european union, almost all of nato, well, it is all countries who have already determined what to kosovo, at the same time ukraine supports whom we are trying to convince russia serbia to belarus north korea syria in gokov what are we trying to convince oleksia considering you your powerful international experience i wanted to clarify that a couple of minutes ago we we finished the conversation with the former passer of ukraine in the united states, valery chalem, yes, the issue of tanks is on the agenda , and general luzhnyy talks about it, and not only him, our

military needs tanks, there is a hitch, there is some barrier that hangs on this issue, we can even say more specifically, we we need not just some tanks, well, we need this second abrams. well, as an option, the choice is actually wider than these two models, but in general, we need western modern tanks, because the soviet tanks that we they told us, to be honest, they are already further away and we don’t need them, we won’t have a set for them and in general these are not the tanks that really change the situation for us we have such and our own we need western modern tanks and what about this well, you saw kissinger’s article in speec is such a british influence of the edition and here the engineer said that i was there yesterday we discussed it and i was on the espresso tv channel in a talk show the great lviv speaks i am talking about the fact that unfortunately in the west there is a

huge group of politicians who are afraid the complete defeat of russia is feared by him and this article kissinger's she's just, well, once again, this prompts , once again, he says everything is fine and ukraine should be supported, but russia, he writes there. they are too big to disappear, to fall, why. well, once upon a time, the ataman empire existed, then it disappeared, the austro-hungarian empire existed, it disappeared in the russian empire - this is the last colonial empire in europe . well, that's all and it's time, unfortunately, we have to pass the word now, and we would ask you, mr. oleksiy find some partners in the united states . perhaps they would register a corresponding petition there directed to the white house oleksiy goncharenko, a people's deputy of ukraine worked on our live broadcast, we will see a special material about our

much-suffering avdiyivka from the bbc. on the front line back in 2014, and since the beginning of the full-scale invasion of russia, it has been mercilessly bombarded with zafix, a series of explosions rang out nearby, we had to take shelter now in in this front-line town, if you don’t starve to death, you will freeze and how do the local residents survive, yes, winter has come in avdiivka. it

makes life even more difficult for those who already barely survive. i have visited this front-line town several times, but this is my first visit since the beginning of a full-scale of the russian border, only one road connects avdiyivka with the rest of the territory controlled by the armed forces of ukraine, part of this road is within the range of russian artillery and can be fired at as a center industry and large transport hub, avdiyivka has an important strategic importance. it was on the front line back in 2014, when russian-backed separatists began fighting for control of donbas. when russia invaded ukraine in february, many expected that the city would quickly fall, but it is still under the control of ukraine in in a certain sense, avdiyivka has become a symbol

of russian failures in donbas, the situation on the front line, however, remains tense, russian forces are trying to take the city into a ring in frontal almost because it goes there, well, very seriously, how has it opened up over the years, the so-called rush eh well, accordingly, the tactic is very simple to destroy everything eh, that is, to destroy everything in zero, artillery works there almost constantly ghost avdiivka, the streets of avdiivka are empty, those who stayed in the city are afraid to go outside because of the constant shooting, it is very quiet here, the only sounds we hear are artillery fire in both directions

oleksiy savkevich organized in the city mystetskyi festivals and events for young people, now he distributes a humanitarian aid where he helps with evacuation, a box with food came out, these are boxes with food, cereals, oil, maybe sugar, tea, sugar and disa and these are hygiene products, shampoo, shampoo, toilet paper, toothpaste, napkins, napkins , there are not many at the door, and you still see one package per family. we distribute it carefully so as not

to create queues in the city, because it is dangerous. for most people, this assistance is one of the main means of livelihood . lost his job, someone can’t withdraw cash because the atms in avdiivka don’t work like inavdiivka. the next stop is an apartment building where people still live among them. 71-year-old anatoliy . our apartment burned down there. the projectile completely destroyed

him. he had to move to the basement of his son’s house . now anatoliy is afraid to even leave the house. garbage shelter, hero of labor, going to the store is a feat because they are shooting there, of course, because you don't know if you will make it back, and so we are sitting here in the entrance, otambori, if the echo goes to us, they are shooting from us. we we already understand such things little by little anatoliy learned to distinguish incoming from outgoing by sound and it often looks like there is no point in hiding debris cuts through metal doors like paper they say in war they bend by accident in war they survive by accident so the emergency services in avdiivka no

longer work if the house catches fire as a result of shelling the firemen will not help when someone is injured, the ambulance will not pass if you die in one of these apartment buildings, no one will come what do you have to bury, the attacks in avdiivka still remain about 2,000 people. they are fighting for life without gas, electricity, heating, and water. 14 people live in this basement, a storage room. there is something terrible here, it is somehow scary. practically all people in our country went to the basements, sank underground , because the city was beaten, you will see it yourself now. and

for 8 months, 8 months he is beaten every day and every night anatoliy ivanovich takes me around showing how much effort they put in to make a cozy shelter here, the room is lit with christmas garlands, there are even beds made of wooden pallets a stove for heating, never thought that 60 years ago we will start using stoves that were in the 40s, no one could have thought of such a thing how such a good civilization it was in one day once and for all, their toilet is a bucket that they take out from the mushroom pit once a day, early in the morning, while the shooter is puffing sugar, salt, pasta, flour, women's oil, this is a huge

opportunity to invent something, do something , you know. spent here around her for the first time, all the women gathered around it this had to be filmed how they made pies here how they did it we made pies before the war people were not very believers and now you understand just look in that corner this is a man a man begins to believe begins to believe everything is ready after leaving in the basement we meet two military officers, they start a long conversation with natoliev, they ask that he convinced people to leave the city, women and children have to spend the winter in normal human conditions, the child must live childhood representatives of the authorities

they are trying to tell all the residents that they are afraid that people will not survive the coming winter, they are telling people that winter will come to the driver's office well, we will not be able to deliver food to you, we will not be able to you how about you - even there will be a desire to leave, we will not be able to evacuate you because, well, the roads or it won't be such things, you tell them. well, you understand that you will freeze, if you don't die of hunger, you will freeze. the city remains isolated, and any form of communication with the rest of the country is limited. this is the only place in avdiivka where local residents can come into contact with the outside world. the local government has built generators here, so

there is electricity and a mobile network. people come to charge their devices and talk to their relatives. according to this point, those who do not have generators connect batteries to led lamps and use them to light up the premises of the cars. vitaly barabash, who is visiting here, also tries to speak about the evacuation within the pokrovsk region, well -being, mirnograd, schools, kindergartens, there is heating, light, generators, there is a kitchen, that is, you will live at least in the heat, there will be a shower and there is no need to pay for anything, but this does not convince people where to go for

what to go where to go for that i don't have to go to work, wander around the train stations, schools and kindergartens, i'm not ready to live here, i'm at home so hard, it's scary, there are no conditions, but i'm at home, i don't have a word. well, i think it's because my grandmother doesn't want to leave. the problem is, but because of my grandmother, we are sitting here earlier in avdiivka, life was boiling and events raged. although there was actually a conflict zone here since 2014, this is what charmed the guests of avdiivka. here it was not at all felt that the

front line was passing a few hundred meters away. the city hosted an art festival, which was attended by popular ukrainian performers and artist activists made great efforts. pavdiivka flourished and then invaded russia on february 24. here, before the full-scale war, we held local art festivals after invasion, this school was used as a volunteer center, food and other humanitarian aid were stored here. but in may, a projectile hit the school. children of oleksiy studied at this school. he

helped with repairs and construction of the premises here . big confetti hall. there was a large concert hall here. one two three four five six . eight large windows the gym we have completely renovated many new rooms in the whole hall a new dining room a new wardrobe a new library my wife worked here as a librarian we have just built a new library and was preparing for its opening, but unfortunately you didn't make it in time. this is another project that oleksiy was working on before the invasion. he calls it the alley of the mural kits club. i think now he looks very symbolic of a girl who longs for freedom . these pictures were supposed to inspire people to build a better

life and now they only reflect shattered dreams, they remind me of our projects, of our youth, and perhaps of the prospects of our city if it survives, or rather not if and when we rebuild it and make more new morals in the near future two, three or four years later, people still live. i met elena in the yard near the entrance, where she was cooking pea soup. her house is badly damaged and it is dangerous to live in it. oleksiy

offers to take her out now. can we make a fire? you will be able to prepare anything, it is possible, i don’t know, if they shoot again, they can blow everything up. especially since they are shooting from both sides, and all the apartments fall here, and here is what is under me. they are all broken. suddenly, an artillery shell flies over our heads, landing behind a few hundred meters elena, while the elenas were cooking in the yard nearby, a series of explosions rang out, we had to go into the shelter. how often is this area shelled? i ask elena every day,

she answers and lives under shelling several times a day. people who decided to stay here assure that they have hope hope to the fact that it will soon end and avdiivka will flourish again with another mass missile attack by russia