it sounded, the question arises as the outflow of people from that money, the outflow of resources from us in the end, but for example, people with special needs, there were several echelons made with the support of our public organizations and international organizations and international institutions that helped people in wheelchairs, even with special transport just move outside the country and get into the right institutions where there are the right specialists and you need help, that's why it's actually here every time. olena, she said it very correctly, every time it's necessary to watch it every time is a different story, where will it be here or in the west, does it mean outside of ukraine, is ms. olena capable, or is the state capable in general, as such a big block, such a mechanism to look at each case separately, you know, there is such a metaphor that the state is like large tanks, it cannot but deploy to a place. so it does certain of these. the state is too big a mechanism to see the problem separately, but there is

such a possibility. this is the first question, and the second is an additional one. who helps the state, you already talked about the fact that there are people at the heart of the state program, can our ukrainian state use and, including in the future, use in a good sense to add to its programs these network properties of ukrainian society, which are already famous throughout the world, in order yes, oleksandr very well said about the example of employment of people who are internally displaced persons and of course the state cannot, cannot examine each specific case, but the state definitely knows and sees the main directions where where is the main axis problems and problems related to internally displaced persons. if so, in such broad, broad strokes, then this is employment . this is housing and, of course, social protection, because there is a

huge category of people that the state must protect, and if the state can keep these three planes in focus, it can simultaneously move to to solve these problems, everything will be fine for the state and for those people who are currently internally displaced, and then of course some will return to their homes and some will stay to live in those communities, where there is housing, where there are jobs, where there are jobs, in general, there is an opportunity to develop both the community and oneself as well as today, you know, we have passed one very important bill in the parliament, it has already become a law signed by the president the government is developing the relevant e-e regulations in order to implement the provisions of this law. and it seems to me that we have found this first step on which the state should also move, and this is a step that should already be in the form of a document

that will be a basic directive for us as representatives of the government as well as for international ones partners for our donors. and today we have proposed with this law to necessarily develop strategic documents, which is called a program of comprehensive restoration of the territory, where each region, each community, and perhaps some territory , communities should review what is happening in general, and look from the point of view of the economy, what about the enterprises, which businesses have left who did not leave, who stayed, what can this community or this territory offer in terms of the capacity of the infrastructure there for a new business, and in fact, the community competition is like this correctly, this is an analysis of the future, in general, what may happen in this territory later, i don’t know anything for business, what about the demographic situation, who came, who left, or who will return, will not

return, something related to ecology. how many years is it possible that demining will take place in a certain territory? also to designing to designing the future of the future in general, what will it look like and today we are currently cooperating as much as possible with international financial institutions and with donors in order to such work has finally begun, we understand that the communities themselves, which are currently solving a huge number of issues there, its resettlement , relocated business and the help of the army, well, they definitely need some kind of expert support in order for such strategic documents to appear, but we would really not like it so that when we talked there about plans for the reconstruction of ukraine, so that we could simply operate on statistical data there, how many kindergartens have been destroyed in our country, because we need money for residential kindergartens there how many houses are there, how many hospitals are there, etc., we need to review how we see

how these will be, the functioning of which we have talked about many times at this table, we had mr. denisenko on a visit to the one on a visit who said that well in we needed to have a strategy , well, our vision of ukraine for 50 years and so on, and without this vision, any amount will dissolve, well , help from our sponsors and partners, and so on, and look at the parliament, the first step. i think that now around these strategic documents are possible to unite government officials and people's deputies and local self-government bodies, an expert environment and international donors in order to work on these documents right now because we survived the 22nd year and the 23rd year will definitely be the year when there will be victory and the most important thing so that we are ready according to what rules we will rebuild our our modern ukraine. if you want an illustration, i will give an illustration about why the plan for the restoration of the territory is very important

, so that we go down from such a global scale. imagine a destroyed village like this imagine a small town destroyed, everything is on a scale, it only gets more complicated, destroyed, people have left, they are now staying where they can abroad in ukraine, it is no longer important, it is not important, they discussed, they liberated the territory, there will be a victory, people will want to restore their territory already now, i want even a straight line, far away, as soon as the mines were cleared, as soon as they allow them to enter the village. they see what is happening in their place where they grew up, where their property is, where their burnt houses are. they want to restore it. sometimes it is in a catastrophic state. sometimes we know we know the tragedy of buchi and patience, but part of the whole part did not survive. imagine 90% did not survive. well, that is, in the grand scheme of things, nothing , including the enterprises that were there. well, here it is . and it could still be in a good condition

. in the conditions where the project is calculated, of course, in the conditions of decentralization of self-government, people have the right, which reports are there, which remained there for basements or who arrived who were evacuated at that time people who came there they have the right to say what they want as they want very often they do not know how to plan their village or city anew they also need information and education such a vision can be given to them if you to form options, they can see here, fortunately, here even the state will proactively offer, but from the point of view of what we want, what do we want to be? it is important who the investor came and gave us work for those cases. i say we have to, i don’t know, there is a stadium here, you understand, people were divided before the community contracts, they were divided like that, some actively created some kind of their own business with their own hands, and others said that there would be nothing here. earnings, but they brought money to their families, yes. and the third

went to those jobs that were available and complained that there are few investors, mom, and we were thinking about investment opportunities . projects and ideas, what to do in this territory , people will say. but we don't care what if budget institutions resume work and come to them as investors, i went to work all my life i worked at school i want to continue working at school, i don't know anything else and in principle a person has the right to this right to such a position, but we must openly and sincerely talk about the fact that children have disappeared on this territory, children , and those who we said are most in need of social support will return last, the elderly will return first people we have elderly people who are able to work and those who need care, that is, it is necessary to really understand who remains in this territory, in what kind of territory, in what condition is it in, and whether it is necessary to globally reformat the content of this village or city in our country , unfortunately, before the start of hostilities there were a lot

of villages and towns that lost their importance so completely. and now i have prepared such cities, for example, as severodonetsk and lysychansk, which we will still need to liberate along the way. they lost their economic importance before the start of hostilities, who are they why are they dealing with the city of kupyansk, which was already liberated before the hostilities began, it lost its economic idea, the meaning of the purpose, well , in fact, restructuring is needed and, well, i don't want to say reform, but reform to support your idea about what about this strategic document against about what community what was it about what was this city of documents going to be all over the country or does someone have a central one responsible for it or not we already have a resolution of the cabinet of ministers about starting to plan such documents at the level of kyiv communities oblast level yes first kyiv oblast chernihiv oblast sumy oblast kharkiv oblast mykolaiv oblast yes yes occupied territories or will this process continue for all other oblasts that were not i, for my part, set

myself the task that this process should continue for every community in this oblast so that every community i saw myself there because at the regional level it will be something related to infrastructure, something that will ensure communication between these communities or something that is related that people should see their village and the city and if there are consultants, you yourself say that even before the war, some settlements lost their meaning there, for example, economically , we tried to correct the reform and decentralization, we tried to unite them into a capable territory, we tried to launch development programs for them, and this is only 20- and the administrative territorial reform took place only in the 21st-22nd and 23rd years . oleksandr, why am i asking this? look, i am leading to the fact that the situation in one country in ours is so unified and unitary there will be two types of communities, or two types of territories, territories that were under occupation and now actively at that moment will be

actively restored, reformed, and so on, and territories that are peaceful during the war, conditionally peaceful during the war, which did not undergo occupation, are possible severe destruction and whether it will not occur is certain. well, i would say that competition within the country between such territories, all regions and communities will have their pros and cons. look , if on the one hand we prioritize the communities that were occupied and the priorities are that we want to start development there, but from the communities that are located in the west of ukraine, did they not get enough people of early business? its advantages and disadvantages will be the same, there will be flaws and charms even after the victory. is there any vision of what it will look like, er, er, how would it be correct to say demographic

map of ukraine, map of population density or it will not happen that now we have a natural outflow, or rather it is unnatural and it is due to natural reasons and from the eastern and southern regions there is a certain inflow to the western territory to the western regions of ukraine to the western regions of ukraine can it happen in such a way that this is exactly the case the war will change it. thus, the map of ukraine is not geographical or administrative in nature, but it still depends on us, how we can, how we organize the return that we will offer, maybe people will return not just there to their your house, house, which will be of course your property, which employment, and which will be in this or that territory, let's say. perhaps there are preferential conditions for creating this or that business, and it all depends on how we and the communities, how we will help them, the communities will be included as we are re-designing conditionally, he says conditionally

speaking, well, in general, how will they work, how will the territory work, but now they spoke for the communities located in the west of the country, and they now have no less problems than those communities located where occupied, first of all, a huge load due to internally displaced persons, relocation of enterprises, as far as i know, all the sites that can be reviewed, all the capacities that can be used for the enterprise have been completely reconsidered, reviewed and where can you provide such capacities? and this well, it is quite difficult to carry out such and such work there, also let's not forget that we have such a big problem that will be connected with the rehabilitation of our people who will return our soldiers from the service, and

now we need to think about it, of course, there are issues of psychological rehabilitation, but there are also questions a, which are related to certain physical things, and we need to think about what we will have these rehabilitation centers, they will always be for medical purposes. most likely, they will be in the western part of our communities, and it is already a resort and the regions are starting to review where, how, what, what logistics, with what infrastructure, how is everything? that will be all connected so that all this will change the account of e-e from the communities, let's give simple examples about what e-e olena just touched on e-e about we came and looked at all the sites and part of the public event said goodbye to illusions we needed an investor we need industry, we need enterprises, small villages and towns , when you came here, you showed us how to do it. if

it is necessary, it is not necessary, of course, for others to develop it. we want to be a community of tourism. they dream of tourism, but to develop it here, wage-earners came here, well, this one, so that we can declare to ourselves that tourism is somehow not right, what kind of people should come to you, some ideal ones should only become millionaires on the fifth floor with such a plan that the communities are now planning for themselves and then they will say yes , wait guys, we didn't mean that to the girls and in general, that's how they imagined me and in general, get out of here from us and you, what should we do so that this does not happen we can't afford, in fact, what will unite both the east and the west yes, after all construction, well, charters from the components of the owners, that is, in fact, ukrainians will be dissatisfied every time if well, we wanted the problem of garbage to be solved, well, the waste processing plant arrived, we don’t want it and we don’t want to work at it. we wanted the problem of jobs to be solved for us in we were visited by a factory. they don't

pay much there. the factory produces things that we do n't like. look, we know such stories. where we are, in all the countries of the european union, there are people who like to have somewhere to go to work, but there are people who create their own business. well, that is, small and medium-sized businesses. people who work for themselves, family businesses, enterprises that they started by friends, startups are huge and which later become huge from small own businesses , that is, own business should still be an explosion of entrepreneurship development, firstly and secondly. can i put five more ukrainian kopecks? and also one feature that distinguishes life in, for example, the european union is that, in principle, it is not a big problem to move there where you are better off moving to a place where there is work, this is correct for the usa and for the european union, and people migrate, this is normal. they are not necessarily going to live there all their life in one

place, people can change five or seven places of life during their life, eating for a job that they like , exactly in ukraine before the start of the war, only i am not talking about 24 people, but until 2014, before the start of the war, more than 57 when 70% of the inhabitants of one region not have been outside their region, and this is actually the question, for example, when there would be no happiness and unhappiness, but this is a folk saying, but it is still necessary to convert this mobility, positive mobility, positive mobility, to begin with. can we convert the presence of our citizens abroad and that the time they will spend there and study there, the children often do not always often study in ukrainian schools often study and simply in local german schools there they continue to communicate but i am not talking about the educational program now i am talking about that that people not only went abroad, as you say, they also got there not as tourists, they

live there, at least for a certain time temporarily, this means that people will see how it can be, how it is arranged there, it is not touristic, what and what kind of hotel in turkey was better no, no wait, we now live in europe, some of them went to canada and so on. can we, our state, our society, convert this experience after the return of such people into something positive for the development of our, do you understand what this is such a progressive step people who have never seen life abroad and how it is arranged to see the thing, it is possible that most of those who have been abroad for a long time will return are skeptical about this because i am in the same position and no matter how much they tell me that our ukrainians will definitely return. i believe that those people who settled there will not return , and because the children are studying and i don't know ,

they have been joining for the last year. smaller, larger and larger, smaller wave they left on the 24th because it was unclear what would happen next in ukraine, they saw that ukraine held out, they saw that we are standing here and have already returned or are returning , the second wave - these are the ones who actually left. later, they did not on the 24th, they in february, in march, they don’t see what the situation is, they went and looked and also saw what survived, returned, and which ones left are now very firmly rooted, most of them will remain a part will only return after the victory, why do i think so, because we saw in the 91st year of the foundation ukrainian states and we saw very patriotic diasporas. i saw how the ukrainian diaspora of the first wave, the second wave, the third wave kept all culture, language, and literature outside of ukraine, even to the university. well, a lot of things, when ukraine became independent in 1991, several

million people broke away from the wealthy ropes the united states of america, brussels, australia, that's all, finally, ukraine, the dream of a generation has come true, as always, my grandmother's will, i finally went to ukraine and will raise a particle in ukraine, so did my grandson stepana bandera stepan bandera they do it here, for example, no, everything is normal, there are examples of the diaspora , uh, i look at olena olena from the verkhovna rada, one of the most well- known public deputies, and for example, there was such a people's deputy yaroslava stetsko, deceased, and she opened in the past parliaments yes, she is one of those people. we have people like that. her husband also fought for ukraine, he was in exile there, she fought as soon as ukraine became independent, returned to ukraine, even made a political career and became one of the outstanding deputies of the verkhovna rada, one of the proudly ukrainian parliament, who is very often asked if there are real politicians in ukraine, have there been such results ? yaroslava stetsko, for example, a woman leader , well done, that is, there will be such examples that after the victory, grandchildren will act, people and people who left

will come back, but she, in my opinion , must tell the truth that most of the planning work and most of all the activities regarding the revival, reconstruction, restoration of ukraine should be focused on those who are he may be a displaced person but he is in ukraine and he is very interested in that and it is not true, we are not true, we are looking for how to block the border, yes, these are the people who watch when their village or city is liberated, and our armed forces say don't go yet, the access is still mined , don't go yet, and vereshchuk iryna is very relevant, because kherson has just been liberated, and i think that this is just a new attitude, people will return, they will not all want to. no, there will be a part that will remain, but a part of those who are now receiving assistance, and also these people who have not found a job, who are staying there

only for the safety of their children. they must i will return. and if conditions are created in ukraine for the same business for the same enterprise, when there will be this space for investment and development, people will come back , but this space will not be created in itself. this modernized ukraine will be created by those who just stayed here, and it will mostly depend on them whether these people will return, and ukraine will simply be so different after the victory that it will be so sectional and attractive that they will return as well new ones will also run in, of course, it can be if this but if it is but the question was for me to you which i have been asking for a long time. that would be the case with mr. oleksandr, but the question is that does the state see the need for some special mechanisms for the return of our

citizens, or is it at the state level that we we are thinking like this those who stayed stayed who left well who will return will return who will not return here , well done people, i love priorities yes, if you look even the main document of the country for the next year is the state budget and this priority is obvious our victory, and more than one trillion hryvnias is 17.5% of gdp for defense, well, that is, almost all of us. funds that come from paying taxes of our ukrainian business. by the way, ukrainian business is also our extraordinary heroes because they stayed here, they work here, tax offices and we spend these taxes on the armed forces of ukraine. therefore, the first priority is victory, this is our army, this is our defense, the ability is the second priority .

provision where we cannot leave our citizens who need it ah and already based on these two priorities well, we understand that there we will mostly work with those who are now left here and these people who need to be returned, we will create conditions for them here so that they want to return here, ah, the ministry of economy is trying very hard, they provide a lot of different grant programs there. they do not give this assistance to businesses because of various programs that were still working before the beginning of the war there 57-9 and the like this is not enough, it is not enough, it is necessary to make even more proposals in order for this to happen. well, you understand what you are returning to when the victory will take place. with the re-lacquered enterprise, which is based in

gulyaipole, zaporizhzhia region, and they left the facilities in gulyaipole, they produce e-e mayonnaise , and part of their e-e capacities were moved to the city of ternopil, they essentially created another enterprise entered a new market because they used to work there in the east, now they work there in ternopil oblast, they have attracted more people to work, well , that is, they are a very positive example . do you use our program there 5 7 9 so that you have more working capital they say well we don't use it there we have problems with the bank there and for some reason it doesn't work there so we take this case away we will figure out why it doesn't work because the state there there is a desire, but somewhere at some bureaucratic point, we do not help those who are precisely this driver, well, in general, there is the economy of everything else, and

then i ask. well, if you are now placed, for example, on the territory of an industrial park, you will already import equipment with a preferential duty they say no, because we have such and such, let's say, nails in the legislation that do not allow us because we are registered in the zaporizhzhia region here, that is, there are a lot of them. when you come and communicate in the places and there are a lot then you have tasks as representatives of the government and do your homework, make changes to the legislation, you go to be interested and really see these knotty problematic moments, this is already a big thing, but for us, for such heroes who stayed in the zaporizhzhia region, they say we will not go as long as the security situation allows us, we will be there minimally, even though we worked and went to ternopil region and there and there they create jobs , pay taxes, develop the economy, well , everything will be on them, there is hope for a successful business

in fact, there are two. well, there are two big ones, so that’s why our main task is to help them as much as possible so that they are successful. and those who are abroad will see and say well, we also want to be successful and alexander will come back and come back and they will be why there is hope for this because it turns out what about those people who remained in ukraine, they will not allow themselves to be forgotten, they will, if necessary, go out into the streets or go to the elections, ballots about themselves. little attention was paid to the political process because the polling stations of the consulate network and so on are now in the time of digitalization when we want to allow people to register and change their election address and so on and so on at a time when there are a lot of them from abroad and they and they will hold the ukrainian passports this is a very long time period of 5:15 years to get a passport

of another country, they are voters, if they are active, if they want those people who are abroad so that they are not forgotten here after the victory, then everything will happen as you say will happen and the programs for their help will also be connected with them and so on, so a lot will depend on the very people who are now by law and people if they can vote while abroad they can't yes no they can yes er, i mean that they will be registered, they will take care of the consular registration, and so on. we will receive, on the one hand, some such, excuse me, strange, not similar to previous years electorate, who are also the bearers of some new experience for ukraine life experience, we will study the experience of other countries here, we have many countries in the world in which a large number of voters live outside the borders, but when you ask the question, this is short-term, and in the long-term , the question will be either they assimilate like this or

they return to ukrainian countries, so i am generally workers employee and a good air- rail connection of expressways and the abolition of the border between ukraine in the european union of ukraine, part of europe and europe in general live abroad, and the attitude towards our ukrainian services to education services to medical services, it is the person who needs help and they say, you know, we have the best education, after all, we also had the best medical services and everything else, we have the best, the best, there are a lot of such reviews when you have to subtract nostalgia from that and then we will definitely have an objective picture because well , something is really cool with us, for sure, the prices for medical services are definitely destroying us. i will definitely say the prices for

dental services, for sure. his own life when i had a problem i waited two months in order to return back here and be treated already here well that’s it already this is already a private aa true conversation yes fuel we may have to know very well the advantages of life in ukraine and after the victory to agitate not only our to return, but also residents from other nations and countries to actively visit ukraine, after all, this country will be the winner, and the country will be the winner, medical tourism, various educational programs that do not exist in europe, we will this is what he looks like today when we are fighting for victory, he looks somehow utopian that people will come to us because we discussed what we left and what to do, but when we already talked about ukraine after the victory, here is already a submission