instead of the culture of weapons, we protect because we are worth it, he was a successful human rights defender in a peaceful life , he became an equally successful defender of the homeland at the front, a hero, a soldier of the armed forces of the soviet union, who was twice mobilized into the army, massive, he came to visit me the day before, his story is in the traditional face column, after it we will continue the informative marathon , friends, this is a face column, and we have a guest, a well-known lawyer and military serviceman, greetings

to the masses, a ukrainian lawyer, a founder of a legal company, a serviceman of the ukrainian armed forces, a public figure and the human rights defender took part in several high-profile court cases, including the murder of journalist pavlo sheremet and public figure kateryna handzyuk in the case of odesa activist serhii sternenko, provided legal assistance to veterans of the ato and oo in august 2015 was mobilized for military service in the ranks of the armed forces as part of the 122nd battalion of the 81- brigade in 2016, he served in combat positions under the neck in novgorod , now it is new york. at the same time, in 16, he was demobilized after the full-scale invasion of the russian federation in february of masina and returned to the ranks of the armed forces forces on june 5 on the front line received a severe

head wound lost his side the car he was driving with his comrades blew up on the spot one of the soldiers died on the spot mass naem survived an extremely difficult operation and at least two more are waiting for him ahead awarded with a breast badge for military valor has a medal for wounds and a distinction the ministry of defense of ukraine presented a powerful with our editors, but they forgot to say that you have been a model for a long time. yes, you are. correctly sewn so this is suddenly a one-time promotion or everything you have now invites these in the week of water you know a variety one-time promotion in the company was to be maybe in the spirit of modernity uh that's why they decided to take a wounded person as a model well it's quite interesting actually unexpected for me but when i

asked myself the question why is it like this, well, you're lucky, this is an important story in order for people to get used to wounded people, er, so that this is normal, there is no excessive attention to this, it's just normal, this is what happens in war, and by the way, how about our society get used to it yes, we see a lot of people now returning from the front, some soaped up, some without a leg, well, without an arm, and so on. it seems to me that this is unusual . in fact, it's such a normal job, it's also a military job, of course . it has the consequences of being wounded, uh, uh, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um.

now i understand that i often come across people as if they see injuries for the first time and i scan and immediately understand and this person feels sorry for me, it hurts very much when they feel sorry, it is very unpleasant. this person has already seen me injured 10 times. well, he treats me as an equal and i communicate with him. i understand that i am normal because he treats me as normal. everything is very important. it hurts when they feel sorry and when they don't notice, or they pretend that it's not there. you know this is the next story in relation to the military. now we very much grateful there will come a time when it will be forgotten and it will trap people that's why when i feel excessive attention now i try to keep myself sober because it's early or after me it

's like that you know the moment of popularity always then there's a fall down so it's very important now to treat them normally as normal people, you know the most important thing is that in the history of the military we didn't do anything heroic in uh and in the sense that we did what we are obliged to do just as they make those people heroes who don't beat their wives, that's normal. they're not heroes either. you were obliged by law to go to war, you went. that's normal. we went to war back in the 15th year, so i wanted to ask a-a what is the difference between war then and now the war is purely about your feelings, the motivation is more conscious, now there are clear tasks, our czech specific task is to return our territory, then these tasks did not exist then we stood heroically in the avdiivka industrial zone, our

people were killed, we were not given the opportunity to go further, there was no task somehow concrete for what we are fighting why we are standing here and what does further history give us now everything is much clearer and much more dangerous because the pace of the war is not very high, it is a huge loss, but at the same time, it is clear to us at least what we are fighting for, now we want to return our territory, well we have the right and there are no official territories. then no. we were standing in the industrial zone of avdiyivka. there was no chance to go further. it was just a task to stand. we were fired upon. we asked for permission in return to give an answer. now there are no prohibitions. the task of this is to return the territory and this is a wonderful moment, and the readiness of the army then and now, uh, you are lucky at that moment. of course, uh, i was then part of the

second brigade of the battalion, and um, well, we prepared like that, it was more or less it is clear what it will be about, but it was only the first year of the war, we were less prepared now, when this unit left , we prepared very fruitfully for about two weeks, and when we went to combat, i already had combat experience, and these trainings are also a plus. well of course, it's just a different state, different motivation and more troops are ready more ready because then there were still many mobilized people who, uh, asked the question, what am i here for ? why am i here and now you know it is an honor to be in the armed forces of ukraine. there are no more such questions. yes, you were demobilized in the 16th and if i don't remember in the year, yes and now they went to fight again, how did this decision come suddenly or i don't know how long it took on the 24th.

that 's it, everything went to me. i may not go, first of all, i am against the reserve, and secondly, it was clear to me that it was a war i have a leg up to my ankle, i don't have a family , i mean a child and a wife. and hmm, who but me can protect the whole part, you know, everything is very easy to put together. in the future , it will only be related to war. as long as they win . if you have two arms and a leg, there is health to fight, this is exactly the same place, and that's why i wrote this post the first time when i got into the armed forces, that i finally got peace because i was in my place, i went back home. yes, in i respect people who have non-ukrainian roots you weren't born in ukraine and you decide to fight for ukraine because i don't have any kind of heroic story. and there is a simple story about how my friends, with

whom i grew up since childhood, after 7 years who came to ukraine, they went to fight now, we are fighting for society, for the coordinate system we live in, i want to protect them, i won't be able to go to another country , live there, remembering my friends, with whom we drank, talked, made friends, they remain at war, in this story about what i i protect my own, that is, the motherland is where your society is in fact, people who are close to you in terms of values ​​and from ukraine are exactly like that. well, you know that you worried about your loved ones even when it happened when your car blew up and you didn't even think about yourself at the time, eh, about your brothers and sisters who were nearby eh yes, and sashka is in a rather difficult condition right now, you are carrying it, uh, on the one hand, two obligations, on the other hand, you know. you live in such a coordinate system

that you are in harmony with yourself to be a person. i don't know, i could be a russian. that's why there it is impossible to be human because there is everyone around animals or those who are silent or those who guess, but in ukraine it is harmonious to be a person, it is very important to be a human being, who is here? your injury happened, who blew up a mine, you received a shrapnel wound, what are the doctors saying now? i know that there has already been one operation, but there are two, three , two operations, now the doctors say that there is a risk of brain infection, and they have to do it here glands that they are working with him, they have to do something, and then after that, if the labor is successful, it will

last 10 hours, after that they will already do something with the bone, because this bone is broken, everything is broken here, too, there are some problems, that's why i can't open it wide yet, actually this will be the next surgery, the scariest thing behind me, because the brain that fell out of my apple was sewn up in mechnikov, the doctors were just lightning quick, because i can see that it is mobile enough. i don’t know how they did it. i saw the operation, you know, the doctor told me though watch the video of the operation. i didn't have time to say no , he turned it on and i can see your own brain. with my own eyes , this is a huge rarity, but mechnikov's doctors are simply incredible, they are very great. professionals because they have a lot of experience. i say that it's already behind so it's easier to live. you see, i wanted to ask in which country the operation was performed, but it turns out that it was our doctors, yes,

our doctors did it in labor, if they did not do it right, i would not be so alive, and the next labor will most likely be in we are in germany now we are waiting for the origin of the date, it will probably be in january, but hmm, now everything is being prepared so that in ukraine there will be this opportunity to treat it in ukraine, it is very important, that is why there is a super homy center being built now near lviv, it is a very important center because, you know, it is very it is important when you were wounded, you were already like that after the operation, if they speak your language, i don't know, he could tell the doctors that i have a headache, well, it's just fear, and in ukraine, i think that because of the war, we will have very strong medicine, we will prove to the world that i have only we know how to fight, our doctors are so hardened, how do they work, in what conditions is it, yes, in general, i think that i am a pulse. even the military can feel the ravages of war, namely doctors, so many wounded people pass through them and they are very fragile,

you know i am in the hospital in a bag when i was lying the nurse came to the circle and said something like a saying there is a cat, a cat, a pink belly, i say what is she saying? well, i am reassuring you and i say, listen, i was here a couple of days ago, i was still a soldier, i was killing people, and here like cats and me very cute, uh, you know that, again, it clearly shows how different we are from the russians, absolutely, absolutely, absolutely different. and what do the doctors predict for us to return to the front? i think we will agree that i will return, because i understand that most likely they will give me disability some group in the units in which i serve, the requirements for physical condition are quite high, if i can be useful to the unit, i think that i would like to return, do you want, yes, of course, as you want, and you know i feel that i didn't finish that

what did you analyze? is it really a desire to return to the front? is it a feeling of guilt that i am being treated here and my boys are there? in the trenches, well, writing is very pragmatic with a sense of guilt. i know that the whole society in ukraine now has this feeling about the elections, but very pragmatically with it because i understand, i don't need to die heroically, you know, not to suffer heroically, but to be useful if i can be useful to you. help the military with legal issues for free, i will have something to do here, i will be able to be useful, but of course i want to kill russians , but what do the guys say at the front?

and she's at work all the time, i'm speechless, i'm sometimes afraid to even dial because you don't know who will answer and who won't and i know exactly what happens when they call for help there's something to be found there, ok, we look for it, we give it to them, but in our country not there are idle questions, you know, because i'm a military man , they were military men now, and i understand what i'm asking them about. well, what's going on? well, they'll tell me, dude, you don't know how i'm doing. i'd like to talk to them more to remember those things that they were going through but i understand that this question will be after the victory when you will not be able to relax because now they are all in a busy work the work is very difficult i understand that the risks to life are very great well, besides wishing them my own heroes whom i personally know none another

tool i don't know what to do with it, you know it's very difficult to make friends in the war because you don't know when someone gets hit where it's the hardest it seems so easy to me here when you call a person and they may not answer yes i'm afraid until these moments thank god that those who died and i didn't call them because that's when they were in the hospital. for example, the novel town hall, he wrote a post about my injuries a day before mine, more than a couple of days before his death, and i didn't even have time to tell him, well, it's very sad, but what you can do something with it, you know translated the word to dramatize well, it means not to give extra meaning and in this part i understand that ok a person can die that's how it happened i'm a bunch of betrayals still alive which you can do something to keep them alive it's important sometimes wear

a bandage yes, i saw that you have a lot of them, in particular , i remembered one with such an inscription, it seems that something like that is temporarily closed. yes, under the ttx there should be an eye, but at the moment it is temporarily closed. my friends from tv toronto gave me the other part, i made arrangements with my own porsche cars, they are different colors. i can say something that i cannot say with words. i can say it with the eye that i don't have. it's an interesting, interesting move. i think that in jurisprudence there has never been such a thing in the courts. yes, i'm still looking for a parrot to teach him to speak in the form of a lawyer, an idiot. well, i i think it will be fun. well, yes

it will be fun, but you often walk without bandages just down the street like that, and you notice people around you, how they count surprisingly, you know in ukraine or it just so happened that we know more. they don't look so much when i went to germany. i was i was surprised when people looked at me very hard at the gas station. i didn't even understand why so ah and then a woman ran up to me who looked so hard and i thought she had something, some kind of claim , she ran and said you know i'm from ukraine my husband serves now under mykolaiv. thank you very much thank you. i understood what you know. hmm, in ukraine , they are more or less used to this, uh, they don't watch much , but in germany, i realized that i'm not like that, because they just looked around, like, somehow, they looked like that, well , strangely enough, in ukraine, most of them are already used to it, which is the hardest part . now, in a new life, you are learning

to live in a new way, you can say what you are already used to, it is the most difficult thing, one of the most interesting things that i noticed in myself if you are in pain and you feel bad psychologically. but you endure it, and many people who do not read your work that you suffer they they want to devalue well, you're doing fine, dude, so nothing bad happened, well, injuries happen, you know, i got scratched, but i understand that i was close to death, it was hard enough for me, and now it's very difficult psychologically for the viewers. when there's no light, uh, less light falls on me in my head and i'm very nervous it's hard to experience it's hard to explain it to loved ones eh but hm in general you know this is the kind of path you have to walk with dignity without putting on this victim costume because if i say that i feel bad i get a lot of e- is

support but hmm it is not necessary just very important now uh hold uh hmm build my life in this way to change considering that i can less it is very difficult to admit actually very difficult to admit that the less strong than it was once was the first why did i want to cry, it was uh, i somehow missed the feeling of omnipotence when you were riding on the battlefield with the boys, everyone was alive and healthy and you know you made yourself immortal it reality and if we talk about everyday life, something has changed, you know, very interesting things have appeared, for example, when i don't like a certain person, i put her on the right side and i eat in fact, it's great because

i can continue to sit and she says something, i don't see her i have one eye to see other things in everyday life. of course, i need a lot of light. now, uh, i carry a flashlight with me , and you know, i stopped trusting myself even today when i pour a kettle. i don't always fall into that that there is no binocular vision, well, in general you know such things. and of course i work very hard not to fall. you know that the person is injured because ours comes to the music session to relieve stress and she is looking for pleasure. it is possible because there are problems there, but it happens often with injured people. they are looking for pleasure, it is very important, you know, pleasure is more environmentally friendly. which one does not harm you, but alcohol is easier

. who has an injury, uh, close ones, it is necessary that it is meant and found some other joys in life, such as him, you know. i am learning to play the piano. i have just started playing the piano. in high spirits, the same thing applies to er education, i read a lot now, as much as we can, and listen to audio books um, these new, er, new information that gives me the opportunity to learn about the world or change my attitude towards it well, walking with the dog helps me a lot the most beautiful you know i was very afraid that i would lose my leg because i wouldn't be able to walk with him now i don't walk with him much he can criticize me for this but i will strive even more to find time for them for him it is very calming meditation where to walk with the

dog and play the piano yes, and a separate meditation in itself. i practice meditation because at the time of the injury i practiced it for a long time. now i understand that it is very difficult to return. meditation helps to be focused and more balanced. it is hard work, but it is always very cool fruits uh, it's just something incredible that i would give to the military all uh, because it very strongly shows how psychology works, how our body works for these or other redemptions but still, i have to work with a psychologist, thanks to the psychologist, in fact, i i'm holding on and she correctly shows what's happening to me and i analyze it myself, i take this information, work with a psychologist for the military, it seems to me that the first thing that loved ones can do for the military

is 100%. i'm not saying anything about those who returned from captivity and these military psychologists, we need to look for them again, maybe they will find them right away, but without them, life is much more difficult for us, but there are also not enough military people who are ready to go to a psychologist because they have some kind of crowning in their heads, what is it? they will burn in my brain yes and so on, people are just shy and yes, it seems to me that these are certain prejudices that need to be changed, that is, you need to try to go and look for the right thing and the psychologist usually just gives you the tools to understand what is happening to you yourself later with these tools, you leave work with the arrival of this hour, and then you leave your whole life, ah, this hour, measure how you are, how it gives you positiveness or not and uh, it's not weakness, go to a psychologist, it's not about

weakness, well, it's just about strength admit that you don't understand something about this part, the psychologist will give you clarity, she won't tell you what to do. no, she won't walk around with a notebook, you won't have homework . everything is in our hands, but where can we find qualified people now? precisely military psychologists, because we understand that in our country there were very few of them, there were ordinary family psychologists and so on, but they can hardly help a person who experienced the horrors of war there on the front line. this is a very difficult question, because i understand that as well as with military legal aid and with military psychological aid, new organizations will now be created, which were helped by the same superfimo center, which is doing together with the zelenska m.m.

now there are several organizations that want to create appropriate public organizations that will help the army. we will have to look for it. if someone needs it, i can also provide my psychologist, but the systematic work in this part is still on the way. i think there is not enough time. i think that from january, certain organizations will be organized and we will have the opportunity to talk about them loudly, that they are all helping us, not only do we need to work in this field, in general, in the medical field, to make some kind of reform, so because we we understand what a burden i will put on doctors now, and these are the old schemes under which hospitals still worked there in small towns and villages, when you can go to the doctor there only on tuesdays or fridays , and by the way, you said this somewhere. yes, have you read about what is when did you come into contact with our medicine? well, i mean with the bureaucracy there, yes

, you know, it's the military medical commission, it's very strange. they need to be reformed. there's no need to look for the guilty. and who created all this, but it must be changed in time. change e because there was a situation about for example, i had to wait in line to get a certificate from the military medical commission and then enter its military part, and i had a question for the state, did you find the other couriers by eye, how wounded are the wounded, they should go get the document and bring it there. and now we we are working with the ministry of digital integration, it seems yes and uh, we met with the minister, they created a working group so that we try to digitalize this service, it was very cool, but it has not been done since the 14th year for some reason, but uh, it is very important, you know what story are we talking about respecting the military , words are superfluous, this is an action how will we show respect to the

military by giving them services in such a way that they felt this respect it will be very, very good, this will be enough with the head, we want to engage in public organization with this, we are together with love' the main thing is that we have created it now, we will fix the organizational issues a bit, we will launch it, it will be very good , we need to deal with this now in civilian life , those who are in our rear, and it is time, well, after the victory , to finally reform everything. by the way, about what kind of victory will it be, what kind of victory do you see it as a matter of course that it will return to the territory by itself, this bringing to justice their trial should be lightning-fast, that is, six months to a year, we have to find everyone who was a supporter of putin's policy, and all those who are putin's apiary er, they

all need to be found and er, it is very important and enough evidence for this can now be found -e should be the maximum because it is important to us in this one history, what should be done so that it is imprinted in the minds of people, here you are committing a crime against a civilized state that did not provoke you, that lived according to the laws adopted by international institutions, and now as a punishment it should be very quickly, they attacked you, they won, and you were punished like this humanity is winning over those barbarians who are asking well, not in these elections to develop. but we understand that russia no longer recognizes, for example , the decision of the court of human rights, so how will we

condemn them when they do not recognize the decisions of international institutions, for this it was necessary that it be an international tribunal. humanity must condemn and the voice of russia is discredited as such. russians are now classified as such in principle. i think that they should not be taken into account at all in any constructions until such time as there is no punish them until the russians pay us out of their own pockets for every child killed, for every house destroyed until those times. to build their politics in such a way that such consequences no longer occur, they must suffer in the sense that they must receive responsibility for what makes their nation, the main thing is to realize that russia is not putin's