it's just his ego, he should have already resolved the issue and we will break through the front on zaporozhye and strike all the way to the crimea through the left bank of kherson, he also understood belarus, in fact, from a military point of view, russia does not have such forces in belarus. and now i will tell you about the political part of lukashenko. i know personally, i am not ready to go to war with russia, first of all , we are taking the end of this regime, and this is a blow to putin’s style . i think two things are convincing, vladimir, you know. if there is a war and they go to this side, that will be the end. and here, the youth of russia, belarusians, rose up against itself. lukashenko because they don't want to fight in the first place, how much they love ukraine, at least they don't want to fight with ukrainians and how much they will worry about everything, we are already ready for february 24, so in this situation, i will speak, i am covering the rear. and if they leave in the event that say, when we start an offensive operation, they will counterattack , this will be the first move towards belarus, they

will definitely withdraw from the russians, there it is possible to return what is against lukashenko himself, against the russians and this is a blow stimulus and that's all i think lukashenko there will be a lot of motivation, he will prove that you will be able to train young men as they train now there are not enough training centers in russia, they are ready for belarus , the state general with the inspector, now putin is already impressed that he will promise him everything, because the anti-aircraft weapons will work for russia today, one of the tasks putin to take the belarus military-industrial complex under the control of a number of objects of all strategic aviation deployments, according to these structures, it is possible to shake the production and production of even ballistic missiles and it is early the question for this meeting and this is already ballistic missiles that have violated all norms and sanctions and the rank will be supplying, completing it, a lot of large sectors will agree to this lukashenko, the only thing i think will not agree and our colleagues

, mykola, i spoke with american british colleagues do not confirm the readiness of this to a large-scale war. i also support myself from this position. i think that there will be no provocations on a global scale. russia will make all the concessions, including infrastructural ones. they will be invited. before the negotiations, ukraine will be threatened by them and ukraine, as he says, and then, after the victory, he will try to make up for the fact that he provided a platform and peace, and everything will connect support, and china and turkey are now trying to secretly negotiate with someone so that the father will support the alternative to fall out of putin's defeat his regime, or at least they saved his life, so he will squirm, he is a peacemaker, now he directly supports putin, but i think that these four governments are a bold line that will go to war from ukraine. i think that for him it is death and the like. thank you very much. there was mykola malamuzh, a military man, the former head of the foreign intelligence service of ukraine, a general of the army of ukraine, and mykola salamakha, a military expert, and

mykola veresen, who managed to make a wish, please keep in mind that it will certainly be fulfilled, and keep in mind that i am convinced that this will all be because of and the main thing the desire to end the war with russia with victory thank you very much so we will have such a conversation now i would say exotic if you don't think about what it is tragically exotic this conversation will be with mr. a-a pavel lysyanskyi the director of the institute of strategic research and security, which i am a human rights defender and who oh, he has already appeared, mr. pavly, good health, thank you for your time, can you hear us, mr. mykola, i congratulate you, i hear you, this is the story, i know you are interested in this, it is you you are researching and interested, maybe now such words should always be carefully chosen words or interesting interest is something not quite what corresponds, but the profession, sir, turns out, look

at this story about the fact that ukrainian children are being stolen, someone is being transported from the crimea, someone to russia, someone next, someone in the urals changes their last name, last name , patronymic, they issue new documents to these poor children and adopt them, and in different russian families, i am constantly trying to understand where the logic is. i can understand it in the middle ages, for example, in the ottoman empire. all people were trained for ages, well, let's say the military guard, it's just a person, a child forgot where she was born from, for example, from ukraine, by the way, well, from the middle school in modern ukraine, at least yes, she forgot all about it, the so-called mankurtization and then she was very because they are not parents, there is no

motherland, there is no mother, there is no genealogy, there is no well then you become an absolute tool in the hands of the ottoman empire and what is today why why are these practices of the middle ages returning in the russian federation why are they doing it what do they hope for? whom do they think they will be with these children in 10-20-30 years, mr. pavlo. sorry for the long question, and thank you for the question, mr. mykola. well, i must say that at the beginning of 2014, my team of analysts already 30 one study about political and socio-economic processes in the temporarily occupied territories, we respond to every challenge thrown by the occupiers, and here is the forced deportation of children, when we saw these processes, we did not immediately react, but on the 10th month of the

full old year, we made a lot of invasions a report, an analytical report, in which all the processes of how orphaned children in orphanages in the temporarily occupied territory are thrown and children whose parents were forcibly mobilized come to them, occupying commissions and where there is one mother and three children, they say no, you cannot have three children, adopt two , we take away two because according to our calculations, you can only raise one child and you send the russian federation to the russian federation, they are issued a russian passport of a citizen of the russian federation or a birth certificate, even cases from the age of one , the child was deported, the child was one year old and was deported, sent to the ushinsky sorot

home, there a guardian was appointed, the guardian on her behalf applied to the migration service of the russian federation so that the child would receive citizenship of the russian federation, the question is whether a one-year-old child understands, he is shocked, probably not, the goal of the occupiers is this, first of all, it is the destruction of identity. there are as many ukrainians as possible, they even have such a call, an algorithm for every killed occupying russian, they take ten ukrainian children, secondly, russia has problems regarding the increase in the level of ethnic youth in comparison with the youth of the slavic russian federation, and they calculated that if this continues in 30 years, the majority of the population in russia will be ethnic and not slavic and there is a private group in the kremlin. well,

for example, there is mr. midinskyi, the ex-minister of education of the russian federation, who works to make sure that, well, in fact, this is a nationalist group, and they are working to make russians. this was a titular nation, and it was constantly increasing hence the program с отечественник ministerstvennostrannykh del российской федерации , which is actually aimed at relocating from russia to belarus, from ukraine to the russian federation, remote hinterlands, but the population slavic appearance and children. they are taking them out because they want to increase the number of russians and reduce the number of casualties of russia's military aggression against ukraine. we even quote zakhar

prilypin in this report. of military aggression. so he wrote a post. we even screened it in telegram. his post was inserted into the report. he writes that, yes, russia lost a lot of people, but there are more people in the captured territories and they tolerate it better. we all we will destroy 100,000 russians there, but we will take 10 times more ukrainian children, you understand, and for them it is normal, a fascist approach, a russian approach, these are thieves, thieves, what a criminal regime, we did it, mr. pavla , a very important question. the city dares smil, you mean it, so there are different mankurts, there are such voluntary ones, but the question is whether we can

track down and return these children, are there any organizations in ukraine or in the world, is it possible the united nations red cross i don't know what you are, you just say thank god that you at least know someone who got into someone's life. and we can say where they went, where they are, because now we are destroying them. they are getting a new last name, a new one. new name in paternal name, new place of birth, new documents, and then try to return these ukrainian children to their parents if they forcibly took these children from them, mr. pavlo, please, and mr. mykola, look for, well, enough of my human rights activity shows that it is not necessary for anyone to calculate is meant the red cross and other international organizations, you can

cooperate with them, but we in ukraine need to create a state institution for the repatriation of the forcibly deported population during the military aggression of the russian federation against ukraine. worked on the repatriation of jews from the soviet union, this is the first and second in this report that we prepared, we listed four locations of these forcibly deported children that we fully identified it is up to the point that it is possible to identify, it is possible to establish and it is possible to work on the return of these children, but for this a state program and a state strategy are needed in order to be responsible for this direction because to date in ukraine only some coordination headquarters have been created between the government, well that is good but this

is not enough, for this you need to approach it very seriously and this process is for ten years, but you need to work already today because today this information can be found even in open sources, but in a year you will not have this information you will find because every step of the e-e information on open networks becomes four times more every year and working with it will be very difficult and as you correctly noted, the children will have a different name , surname and patronymic and it will be extremely difficult to find them that is why it is necessary to start today and it is necessary to start with the creation of this state institution and for this institution to consolidate all those willing to engage in this direction of ukraine to continue working as you know at one time in ukraine the ministry of immigrant affairs was created internally displaced persons and the ministry of

integration, but from 2011 to 2014, it was not there, and it was created only at the end of the 16th, so here we are. of research and security raised a very in my opinion important topic of ukrainian citizens, small citizens of boys and girls who are forcibly sent to russia and forcibly adopted on the territory of the russian federation and we we are just losing our roots. yes, we are losing it, we are just. well, in general, this is not a human story. it’s just that if a mother’s son was taken away or her daughter was taken away and sent to the urals or to siberia and there they gave her a new father, a new mother, a mother, then they must somehow be returned because this well, our people are our parents, our

grandfathers, our sons, our daughters, oh, the middle ages, you wo n't do anything. if we don't have anyone from belarus, i'll wait, it's great, yes, from mitsr lukash, belarusian journalist, editor of european radio from minsk, probably not, probably not even from minsk with freedom or warsaw, because all conscious belarusian journalists have not been in belarus for a long time. good health, mr. lukashuk. thank you for taking the time, and i understand that you understand the ukrainian language, just as we understand belarusian . yes, so, look, i am constantly arguing with everyone here in ukraine, because i believe that there will be no offensive, there will be provocations, and there will be no such serious offensive from the side of belarus by lukashenka on

ukraine, because it is not lukashenka it is not beneficial for putin and it was absolutely correct that the previous speakers said that if there is a defeat of the belarusian front, and it is possible given the strength of the ukrainian army, then this breakthrough of this front will lead to the collapse of the russian federation, it is not beneficial for putin either. if we are rational yes, if we are irrational, we cannot understand anything. what is your point of view from a rational point of view, we will try to assess the situation and, er , predict money. in february, no one believed in the rationality of

this food. this is an unnecessary war, first of all, lukashenko, because he is also afraid of the explosion of the opinion of the belarusian community , because i believe that his parents, his supporters, will oppose this war. they came back from ukraine in black bags. in general, a prominent woman leads the way, as you rightly said, belarusian independent mass media can no longer work in belarus, and independent mass media are blocked in belarus because it is a telegram channel. of an independent seven-year-old

, one of the detained belarusians is on the phone, they give him additional prison terms, but the information still reaches the belarusians, and they give out how the russians are returning, not mobs, and not only mobs. and so to speak, professional soldiers from ukraine in in black packages, no one wants such a return of their brothers-in-law from belarus. well, at the same time, one second, one second, an important question. i want it to be clarified. so, the belarusians know the real picture. or they can find out because we know that the belarusian mass media are also in belarus, that is, lukashenko's and putin's, which are not very different. and then the question arises whether true information reaches the belarusians, who can somehow find out what is really happening in ukraine on the battlefield in the rear of the russian federation

in the rear of ukraine and so on and so on and so on tell me, please well, you definitely understand uh, what's next, a man wants when a man is interesting to a person, and he goes to vseode zno for information, and uh, look, listen to the independent honey of belarus, and here it is меды с украины and those other media that give true information, you can, and you can talk about the broken ones, you can’t download to your phone , uh, uh, telegram channels or youtube, uh, so-called uh, extremist ones, because in general, independent belarusian families are recognized as extremists lukashenka's regime, it is possible to find information, it's another matter. well, the taste of people, and in this sense, they are lazy in the informational sense, and this is what happens to belarusians and ukrainians and russians and

a lot of other things. and that is why, unfortunately, the belarusian propaganda and even more so the russian propaganda that dominates the information space of belarus does not necessarily work for everyone, but it works none the less , still true information in one way or another it doesn't reach everyone, but it will now be like this. i would say it's not a professional question , it's an unprofessional question, but the question is, let's imagine that an attack from belarus on ukraine begins. some large part of the russian army, a small part of the belarusian army suddenly take part in this attack. this happens, although for me it does not happen suddenly that the ukrainians, having received the first blow

, go into a counteroffensive and begin an offensive on the belarusian territories on minsk, for example, what will be the reaction of the civilian population, what do people say they take it upon themselves to go out to the ukrainian army with bread and salt or, on the contrary, to throw some stones or make provocations or to smile, to help their own belorussian partisans and the ukrainian army, or on the contrary to hinder them, to give out, to tell their kagbists that there are partisans in that village, and in that seli ukrainian saboteurs and so on what can be the reaction a-a unprofessional eh -e also refusal

research in an authoritarian country where all independent research is prohibited, and let's go to the associologists, as all of us journalists are outside the border, and this research is conducted on the internet, on the issue, and so on, and there was no less a question about belarus of national identity that the mouths of others were questions about the attitude of eh to the war in ukraine and to that. and it seems to them that baku is in this eh in this war in this war eh in belarus eh that is a-and they said that er-er right er-er right in this situation, russia a-a 10 30% showed that the right-wing ukrainians are the last as it is called in sociology in political science a-a well she said that not everything

is so clear-cut a-a параламарская наказательных это питание and in this article that's why you behave in the given case as it is not submitted, the belarusians will be held accountable, uh, that’s another matter. what did the russian belarusian troops slow down there? will sit quietly in their own platers and in the dachas and in the forests and in the swamps. is there still something to wait for? it will all end. and who will win ? do you remember that i was joking about the fact that the czechs drove themselves around during the second world war, and the germans in the czech republic were drinking beer now?

yes, and belarusians over 10 years old will behave themselves and they will sit down to fry potatoes and wait for how this will end. who will win? yes, but there is one moment when they say that you brought up this word. indeed, sociologists say about the swamp. i really like the swamp. to be honest, because for it bogs me down always where the winner is this swamp, if the ukrainian army enters the belarusian land against lukashenka and the russians, then on the second day the swamp will say no, no, no, we are for the winner, the swamp is always for the winner, and some of them are really correct, they will sit and fry the tuber a right now , people will say yes, look, they will win. yes, i'm here for the ukrainians, hello. and why am i infected? no , that's why i think it's important. it's important. it's the psychology of the

swamp. it's always huddled there, there, where victory will prevail, but one more question about the wedding in malinovtse yes and it will be yes yes but look and i also want to ask the situation is rather strange today, can you explain it and if we were used to putin, well , at least that is what journalists, experts say, putin is putting pressure on lukashenka, saying, come on, do as i tell you, but today there was information that lukashenko is putting pressure on putin and saying hello, if you don't fulfill my whims, my demands, it will be bad, because otherwise it will be difficult to explain that lukashenko asked for cheap gas from the russian federation and so it is cheaper for belarus and even cheaper and that's already

some it was a demand, it's not just, please, give us a little bit of a good gaza, it's cheaper. and it's already like that , boy. we're the union states from my territory of ukraine, they're bombing. and why are you here? give me gas, and what are you ? who is rabinovych, who is the head of the entire coordinate system, please? well, you give lukashenko, oh, how are they playing in this war, and why is it called yours, and literally, yesterday or today, it was sent with the signature of lukashenka, and a letter to inshevanie a-a to the vatican er-er to the roman pope er-er where how am i at home, but the pope is very critical of russia now, calls it an aggressor, and so on, and so on, and lukashenko congratulates the pope in his letter, and thank you

for his constructive position, for his normal position on the situation on the war in ukraine, and so on you don't know. i would like to say all the ready-made words right away , and about the fact that putin is putting a lot of pressure on forcing lukashenka, and kaptoy sent the belarusian army to fight in ukraine, and lukashenko is resisting with all his might. let us prove that lukashenko. i have something else, and it is possible that uh-uh, i have my own position at the very end. at the moment, there is simply no

specific order regarding the entry of the belarusian army into the war against ukraine, and that is why the belarusian army is standing in its positions, and not because lukashenko is there . definitely war on the audience is the most for our a-a belarusian unu consumer as a special time to show, look how i defend your interests people in belarusian , look how you are here if i am here for you, i spend my energy, i spend my nerves, i risk getting into putin 's anger, actually i think that's all agreed upon, let's skramlem all this, i'm bullshit, er, it's all on account , gas prices have been agreed, and now it can be talked about, there was such a thing, vova, come on, i'm here, i'm going to play in public, i 'll show

my er, my feed base, how i'm behind her here next to me, let's go это что и всё это - bullshit that you simply don't need to buy into here is one more question maybe the last maybe the penultimate let's look at the timing of the belarusian elite understand their own problem and lukashenko understand when we talk about, for example , the end of the war for the benefit of ukraine for the benefit of the civilized world putin will be trade, some kind of nuclear weapon, a big country of 140 million and so on and so on and so on, some kind of relationship with china, in short, a game is possible . gaga is much faster than gaga will invite

putin himself to visit her or someone there, for example, i think that the worst chances are topchyshyn, the best chances to get to gaga or in kyiv are medvedchuk and yanukovych. well, they are not needed by putin and lukashenko , putin is not needed and if the post-war showdowns are 100%, and lukashenko and the elite will go to great lengths. they understand it. how do you feel? i understand that you do not have sociological surveys, but you definitely have more knowledge than i do about the belarusian elites. in the same direction with our close belarusian political analyst alexander friedman, literally we talked the other day and i asked him a question on counter 108

. in his what do you think is the area that with putin on this bench of defendants in the tribunal, lukashenko will be here right now, and friedman is saying in it and look what lukashenka there is šchadel pervyy and also leps for putin's place and therefore absolutely outstanding they understand the whole prepared situation, although the word elite is definitely attached to the belarusian nomenclature, but none of them are suitable. but none the less, i am not preparing the situation. they understand, and the eminent lukashenko understands that together with putin, i am the so-called elite of belarus, and they will betray him with guts and не попадаются если pana iz mittsar lukashuk is a belarusian journalist and editor of the european union