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obstinately soberly evaluate events analyze them by modeling our near future what on saturdays at 1:00 p.m. with a repeat at 10 p.m. studio event with anton borkovskii nayspresso i'm iryna koval mother wife host of the espresso tv channel and i'm also a volunteer our military at the front every day need a lot of things and that's exactly that's why part of my life today is helping the armed forces of ukraine and i am very grateful to my colleagues for supporting me in this, now i walk through unfamiliar lviv, not kyiv, i go to an unfamiliar coffee shop and drink delicious lviv coffee, that's all alive and all alive in ukraine owe the army now , miraculously, life and army are synonymous words in
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ukraine because without the army there is no life to help the army is to help life help the ukrainian army and life will win over death each of you can help even a small contribution to support the army saves the lives of our warriors and our victory is approaching, the big broadcast of vasyl zima my name is vasyl zima, two hours of air time and my colleagues and you until 21:00, two hours of your time, we will talk about the most important two hours to find out about the war, serhiy zgoretska joins our broadcast, military summaries of the day and what is the world like? what in the world will yuriy the physicist talk about for two hours to stay up to date with economic news, radislo oleksandr borshchytsia, he will talk about the economy during the war and new sports, yevhen pastukhov is ready to talk about sports for two hours in the company of favorite presenters
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, lina is ready to talk about culture during the war, or something else that many have become familiar, maybe the weather will give us some optimism, ms. natalka didenko is ready to tell us and also we will have distinguished guests of the studio today , volodymyr grusko, if all goes well, events of the day in two hours, a big broadcast of vasyl zimi, a project for smart and caring people in the evening, nayspresso, join the community with a ukrainian view of the world, become a sponsor of the espresso youtube channel, and this is access to exclusive content, personal thanks pinned comments special icons and the possibility of personal communication with the espresso team click sponsor and become part of the community with a ukrainian perspective iryna koval mother the wife of the presenter of the espresso tv channel. and i am also a volunteer.
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our soldiers at the front need a lot of things every day, and that is why part of my life today is helping the armed forces of ukraine. did i, the author and host of television projects, think that i would have to understand things like thermal imagers, generators, quadcopters, or could i? i am a mother of three children, imagine that just like knowing the principle of action of a diaper, i will understand the difference between an active and passive night vision device, did my wife know what i was going to buy i did n't know that my husband didn't have a shirt for work, but a beret and tactical glasses, but since 2014 i had to become a volunteer because our relatives were on the front lines and they needed help. everyone from you can help. even a small contribution to the
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support of the army saves the lives of our soldiers and brings them closer the war continues for our victory and not only for the territory, it is also a war for the minds. russia is throwing millions of naftodors to turn ukrainians into a state of low-russian ukraine, analysis and analysis of information about ukraine by russian propagandists specific facts and methods by which the enemy's propaganda turns people into obedient zombies according to the historical plan to vote the inhabitants of the ldr against the information attacks of the russians in the project of the chronicle of the information war with olga len tuesday thursday at 11:40 and friday at 13:00 on the espresso tv channel about no matter what the ukrainians thought about, no matter what they talked about , war still comes out, war is our victory, seven days
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a week, from monday to sunday, seven different spheres of human activity, sports, culture, politics, eight espresso presenters, journalists, experts, opinion leaders in real time about the most relevant events through the prism of war, every day, author's projects , most espresso, we continue the saturday polyplod program of the espresso tv channel, anzhelika sizonenko and our dear guest, the head of the voice of america office in eastern europe, myroslava gongadze, congratulations. thank you , myroslava has now toured these territories which we can say cause such special emotions, i think that you too and what impressions, well , it was important to me because it sounds a lot warnings about another possible invasion , especially, well, it is clear from the side of belarus, that i, uh, this mission was to go to this region and
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see all the challenges facing our military and the ukrainian military there, i must say that it looks like uh, the military has had enough they are well prepared there and as the officials there and the military told me that the current state of the ukrainian army cannot be compared to what it was like 9 months ago when the first invasion took place and from the point from the point of view of mobilization with from the point of view of military equipment, from the point of view of skills, that is, all this is. well, the territory itself is prepared for defense, so the impressions are the same, and the population is very mobilized, it clearly understands what can be expected, and it helps the army, that is, there is such a synchronization of the army and the local population. i also visited the rivne nuclear power station. because it
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is the only operational nuclear power plant closest to the border. it was 50% of ukraine 's electricity supply from nuclear energy, now it's more, as experts say, and it's just as huge risks as we see what's happening with the zaporizhzhia station, so it was important to look and talk to experts there, and it also looks like this that they are ready, the station is ready, the defense is ready, but everyone is working in extraordinary conditions, because, after all, you can expect everything from this, everything should be fine here, yes, it can be in the other direction, but not necessarily run-kiev. that's it. they say about kiwis i don't i understand why. because i believe that putin is just thinking about control over ukrainian nuclear generation , it is more important than the government quarter in kyiv, for
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this we know about the previous plans, the previous plans were to seize all the nuclear plants, and this is, so to speak, the key to controlling ukraine. thanks to this, it was important to visit there and see, we know that you have also been to donbas. what impressions did you have? it is clear that the scale of the destruction there is terrible and we will not hide it for 8 years, so they are after all suffered more than other regions of ukraine during the 8 years of the invasion of the russian federation, but it is interesting how the local population reacts, because we know that the east of ukraine, after all, had a different attitude and part of the population was pro-russian , did it still remain there, you know, i was not there this time but i was there last time at the end of september, i was in izyum, which had just been liberated, and i must
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say that i was there in chernihiv, in these regions, i can say that, of course , consolidation and national awareness are in after seeing what the russians are doing, the population is naturally more organized and nationally conscious, although it must be admitted that there are still different elements, and even i heard on the street there, i did an interview. i remember the mayor chernigov and some man just walked and said, “why did you spend so much time bombing donbas , well, i mean, you can’t say that everything is so smooth and perfect. position if possible precisely because of the passion of this question, what about this reintegration, which we all
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talked about for 8 years, but now we see all the problems that arise even when the russians come and shoot people at close range. they can still think that these are disguised armed forces of ukraine and invent all kinds of myths how can we then integrate them again jack because you know, you are asking me a question that i asked the day before yesterday literally to the head of the national security and defense council p. danilov because er hmm reintegration the question of how to give, that is, how to weed out this population, to give or not to give political rights, the opportunity to vote, when it can be, all these are very open questions, and already today, when we are talking about victory and reconstruction, for today , we already have to prepare these laws that will be to envisage the gradual reintegration and the possibility of these people being included in the political process in ukraine, so to speak, but we understand that both the population of crimea and the population of e-e occupied
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territories that have been occupied for a long time will it is problematic that they have the opportunity to immediately vote and influence the political process in ukraine. so, but the law, that is, i know that there are groups and legislative groups that are already thinking about this and are preparing for this process. yesterday, it seems, there was a conference in kyiv regarding this issue crimea well, reintegration, how will it all happen, so what, but i see that the political elite is already starting to think about it but it seems to me that he still needs to treat it a little more and more seriously thank you myroslav for this conversation and i wish the next i have already visited this area and peacefully . i think it will definitely happen. thank you very much. myroslava gongadze , the head of the voice of america office in eastern europe, after such an important trip to the ukrainian regions
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that are struggling and, as i understand from your emotions, are not preparing for the worst . but they believe in the best. i'm iryna koval, mother, wife, host of the espresso tv channel. and i'm also a volunteer. our soldiers at the front need a lot of things every day, and that's why part of my life today is helping the armed forces. of ukraine and i am very grateful to my colleagues for supporting me in this. now i walk through unfamiliar lviv, not kyiv. i go to an unfamiliar coffee shop and drink delicious lviv coffee. everything alive and everyone alive in ukraine owes the army to the army . the words are synonymous in ukraine, because without the army
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there is no life, helping the army is helping life , help the ukrainian army and life will overcome death, each of you, even a small contribution to the support of the army, saves the lives of our soldiers and brings our victory closer, we continue saturday political club anzhelika sezonka and vitaly portnikov so let's talk about international topics that, as always, affect what is happening in ukraine and the russian federation, which is at war with us and invaded our territory, and putin's path, prime minister of india modi tried to call for dialogue and diplomacy. congratulations, lately we have been talking a lot about prime minister modi, who reacts somewhat differently to putin, this dictator. if
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earlier they could be called such absolute partners, maybe now there are some problematic issues in their relations, is it personal, do you know, pity for the ukrainian people in the prime minister, or own economic interests with calls to end the war, you know. i think that it is fashionable to be a great friend of volodymyr, and i have never been for this simple reason, what is it after all? different countries and the prime minister of india, without a doubt he cares about the economic interests of his own country and on the one hand it was very profitable for him to buy russian at cheap prices, this is a clear thing on the other hand he sees that the world economy is in in a rather dire state that now the situation is getting worse every day that now everything is being done so that the ukrainian war somehow stops and
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putin does not want it and if the war that he then started against ukraine continues. in this way, of course, we can see a situation in which the economic well-being of india is also deteriorating and at the same time, in the same way, there are no such intentions , you know what all the calls are, something. we understand russia's anxieties, the fashion outfit has never said this, it is actually far from europe's regional problems, but for a while, india understood that it could improve its situation at the expense of uh well-being, oil is oil, but the economy is not growing, putin said several times to modi that what is needed stop the war, well, putin doesn’t listen. this is also
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completely logical. by the way, the kremlin never listened to indian leaders even in soviet times. is it not profitable or just that putin doesn’t listen to anyone politically? putin only listens to those who are real to him. beijing's allies he listens because he understands the interests of the whole country, that's why when sinten says that a nuclear conflict is unacceptable for china, he hears it, but he doesn't listen to all of armenia's allies because it is a weak union, a small country, depending on e-e, russia was by and large you see that now the armenian government is doing everything possible to somehow distance it from moscow, it is difficult when you have russian military bases, once russian peacekeepers in karabakh-2 economic ties 3 bad relations with azerbaijan four bad relations with turkey are five ways to break relations with moscow. it is almost impossible, but the armenian prime minister
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meets with the head of the european council, but the armenian prime minister meets with the president of france, all this happens, it happens naturally , that is, they are drifting towards european leaders a little bit, because they already understood that the russians are not mediators between them, but the state, that a russian is not wanted as an intermediary. do you want that ? ordered to prepare certain contacts with western leaders, that's what lukashenko just wants. well, in this way, i don't know what to load putin, that from here to the west, he will be re-adjusted, or maybe he really already sees that the russian federation is losing the war in ukraine and needs to adjust with the west contact i think that this is his eternal moment, he acts like this all his life as if he can find some real opportunities for himself now, but
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i will tell you honestly, i do not think that lukashenko has such opportunities now, the people until the time when he provided his ukraine as a territory before the aggression, he still had such opportunities, a fact, but now, even after the 20th year, even after they stopped perceiving him as the legitimate president of belarus , even after these repressions, he could organize some kind of dialogue because he could at least offer something from the west to offer the release of political prisoners, there are some elections , the national dialogue had opportunities to say well, you know, yes, we understood, we acted too sharply in the 20th year, but you, but we amnesty everyone new we are preparing elections, lift the sanctions against us. allow us to do this several times, but now
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he is perceived as an accomplice to aggression. so when myroslava spoke about the rivne npp, from which country are people expecting an attack on the rivne npp from belarus? well, these are completely understandable things, but from the other side this is how the west sees the participation of belarus in the war against ukraine, at least rockets fly through belarusian territory and the russians leave the territory of belarus, they wonder if it will be belarusian soldiers today, but on the other hand, it is already profitable for them to lukashenko moved away from putin from his sphere of influence, well, it is obviously beneficial, but the question arises whether lukashenko can actually do this. how many russian troops are currently on the territory of belarus? the president of belarus if putin wants it, and the belarusian army will protect lukashenka from the russian
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military, an army in which there may be such a number of russian agents that we cannot even imagine well, think about it. if these agents were in the ukrainian leadership, yanukovych azarov city, two ministers of defense who were russian citizens, the chief of our general staff, the head of the black sea fleet, who was just appointed, he has already surrendered to the russians , the head of the sbu, i spoke with valentyn yalivetchenko recently, who was the first head of the sbu after that as his predecessor in these to moscow , i tell him that you came to this office, do you know whether your predecessor fled to moscow with such knowledge about the work of the service and the lists of this agency and with imagine the scale in belarus, belarus, where 40 years will soon be, how this russian position triumphs in various forms, and before these 40 years, there was a soviet union where
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half of the elite was recruited by the state security committee of the soviet union. well, i don't know who they can count on. to hope for lukashenka in case moscow decides to get rid of him. i just don't know. i don't have an answer to this question. by the way, regarding putin's visit to lukashenka and vitaly. do you think he will be able to squeeze him because he has all the trump cards? so to speak, you know when western analysts say that putin is going somewhere to put pressure, i think that this is a complete misunderstanding of the architecture of power in the post-soviet space, if putin needs to put pressure on lukashenko, he can invite him to sochi or moscow. lukashenko travels to russia more often than ever - who is one of the foreign leaders so that he is not even perceived as a foreign leader, he meets with putin more regularly than it seems to me that so many heads of subjects of the russian federation together have you ever heard of the fact that putin met with the head of some region of the russian republic in recent times, as such , it is correct. yes, he has nothing to
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talk about with them, but with lukashenko. he talks all the time. it seems to me that he talks with lukashenko more often than when you develop it with your own wife, who is kind, because when they they came to some foreign countries with lyudmila, there was a protocol requirement that they see each other only at the moment when they have to hold hands and go to another presidential couple or a domanarsh couple. and so they don't know each other saw later, i couldn’t stand the company at all and i didn’t want to see her in principle well, i’m more glad to see her, we know, in general, i have the impression that she doesn’t want to see anyone except lukashenka . for all the difficulties, there are opportunities to say what is the purpose of going. you know, i will come to minsk now and there will be pressure on you . did i discuss it or something? i think that this is to some extent a special operation, that is, such a sign of respect. lukashenko no
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to which he does not agree, but he really wants to be considered that he is the real president, he has essentially lost his subjectivity. if a person loses his subjectivity and he knows that he is losing his subjectivity, then what happens as a result is quite a simple thing, he wants to you know, someone should come to her on an official visit. well, someone, if the envoys hand over an essay or a certificate to this person. if she is not allowed in most countries of the world, if they say the so-called president of belarus, i want someone to come . you could meet someone for a visit in your residences ah, the list of these people is not long , putin number one is written there, and the list goes on , that's all, there is no one else, some people, well, his number one is going to see him, i'm talking about the president of
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kazakhstan, pashina probably won't want to go there for the prime minister - the minister of armenia, he insults publicly who will visit him, so there is a list, here i am a list of foreign guests of belarusians number one putin number two putin number three vv putin number four putin number five putin number six putin number seven mishuskin and he can say volodymyr and what you you are coming, don't come to minsk, you haven't been to our capital for 3 years. well, if i go to see you, my dear, then you can be more attentive, i think you are a good boy, absolutely, this is the way you know, if you want, how to deal with a difficult teenager. that's how i am. i'll do it, but you should be smart sasha doesn't smoke well, yes, i'll give you a bicycle or a motorcycle for that, if you want a motorcycle, you 'll have a motorcycle, but i don't know how much it's not
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lukashenko's event, but it's primarily a protocol sign of attention to allies, can they resolve the issue that the belarusian army will participate in the war at any meetings in minsk, sochi, moscow, for this purpose, there is no need to choose a specific geographical point, and they will not report about it. we will never know where exactly it happened, if it happens that that i would not exaggerate the importance of this visit from the point of view of decision-making, but from the point of view of working with the client, if you can say so with the client, yes, putin is working with him and this is heavy artillery, the same patient has already been like this and obviously will not achieve anything there, according to gryzlov, the former speaker of the state duma, there are many russian paramedics around lukashenka, if the patient is a patient, well, then you need a way to talk to someone, that’s true, but this is a
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protocol conversation for now. ukrainians after all, it was like that. and when valeriy zaluzhny said in an interview according to the laws that there would be a second offensive in february, march, or in the worst case scenario, at the end of january. it seems at the beginning of this war that we are only at the beginning. and when someone is told that this is a war and it will end in a few months, in a few weeks, in a few more things, they also talk about it, and the experts in our program at the beginning of the program, it can end quickly, i always say i can't give time forecasts, i understand the trend, ukraine has every chance to survive from the point of view of protecting its sovereignty, time, borders, the future of the country after this protection, all this is in the fog of war, this may be the most optimistic scenario. and it may be the most pessimistic and you need to prepare for all
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scenarios. it seems to me that in the same economist general tsirsky said that whoever underestimates russia will lose. i have never underestimated russia. i always know that russians are ideologically an imperial nation and not just some bunch of people who do not understand what they are. want i know that they can give up economic benefits for the empire from the point of view of a normal person, we are from your point of view do you understand this idiocy ukrainian philosophy of life has always included the word well-being and this has always caused in russia to appeal to ukrainians what do you want to live a long time ha ha ha ha ha i never understood why ha ha ha why if a person wants to come to his house where
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everything is in abundance and that's the same the same part of human development, you choose yourself what to do in this house with this family, how to develop, read books or watch movies, have a business or be an employee, what to eat, what to eat and what to drink, and who to marry, but this is all a complex of human life is a complex and if you have the only complex is this let them all be afraid of us, what difference does it make how we live , what's your business, everyone is afraid of us, well, that's what you can fight for, because then it's good and chooses with whom and how and the average russian no, of course, but this is the philosophy of the authorities, the authorities know better she does, she expands our borders, we can tolerate it, but the government does not tolerate it, and listen to it. this is a story about the blockade. he is a city. party workers who were in leningrad did not starve, and ordinary people
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died by the thousands, and these ordinary people lie in the piskolor cemetery of party leaders. leningrad is not located there. so this too must be remembered, it is a huge problem, but you know what really struck me in general zaluzhnyi's article was a phrase that to a certain extent can lead us in a different direction when the general says that there is no what he i am not ready as marshal energem to tell the ukrainian soldiers that well, what did marshal english tell the finnish soldiers that we lost the territory but kept the state and he says that i am not ready for this, we have to release as many as possible, i am constantly trying to explain the simple fact that it is impossible to appeal to the finnish experience like this absolutely for this simple reason that history does
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not consist of one faith and the war to which we appeal is the war between the soviet union and finland in the winter, it really led to the fact that finland sacrificed part of the territory and retained its sovereignty, if you could put an end to it we said that this is enough and it is important for us, but the focus is that the soviet union came out exactly on this line, then it interrupted the line with energy, which from that moonshine is rome, and in principle, if it had the resources, it could to seize all of finland, he did not have the resources, the war was stopped by the heavy losses of the finnish people. but then there was the second world war . war and disarmament
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