the old congress is going to vote for the adoption of the budget for the 23rd fiscal year, it should happen by next friday, because we had a temporary budget that was valid until the end of yesterday . said negotiations more behind closed doors between the administration and mostly with moderate republicans arsenal because arsenal needs 60 votes to approve the budget and in june the democrats in the house of representatives have a majority so they will vote for the principles of any a compromise budget and it is necessary that at least 10 republicans get to sign it. well , there are no disputes about aid to ukraine. 38 billion is planned for aid. that is, where are the disputes about other

articles of the budget? well, last tuesday, er, it seems to us wednesday that progress was made in these negotiations. and it seems that there will be 10 senate republicans who support the budget, but they have agreed for one week to pass the budget resolution or to continue in fact, the current temporary budget is in effect. well, i really hope that by the end of next week , a permanent budget for the 23rd year will be adopted, and 38 billion will be provided for aid to ukraine next year. of course, when you apply for the budget for the 24th year, this will be more difficult because in the house of representatives the majority of the senate republicans will have more than 100 democrats and there will be very big disputes between the white house and the house of representatives

between the senate and the house of representatives about the parameters of the budget, including about parameters of aid to ukraine for the 24th year, but i already hope that for the 23rd year, everything that was asked of the administration will be approved next week, mr. igor, but isn't it beneficial for both parties, and aid to ukraine is such an important foreign policy topic that worries the electorate of each party after all, the electorate of the democrats, the ukrainian topic hurts them more. do you understand this? i would say that such a dispute applies only to ukraine as such, this is a dispute between the electro -right wing of the republican party, which is not the majority of the republican party the current congress, uh, well, in the senate, there are only a few of these very original interval arsenates, but you are the representatives of the current one, they are controlled. well, if you go by the

votes against aid to ukraine, there are 57 of them, the next submission of representatives will start working on january 3 and will be a little more, but it is still a minority. but there is one problem er this is the problem of who will be the speaker to submit the representatives er means er kevin mccarthy the leader of the republicans of the house of representatives he dreams of being the speaker and in order to become the speaker he needs 218 votes in the republicans of the next chamber will have 222 seats, that is, if he does not have the votes to be the speaker, then he needs all the republicans to vote for him, including this legal wing for the ultra-rules. well, in them, ukraine is just one of the moments of their views policies on which there are such absolute disagreements with the majority of republicans are anti-democrats because they

are in favor of such an isolationist foreign policy, if you imagine whether it was during trump's time that the united states took the united states out of the world organization, health care took time of course, in the 17th year of the paris climate agreement, nato almost did not appear, which is why the former national security adviser wrote in his memoirs that it was literally sure that there was a sign announcing the withdrawal of the united states. that is, this absolutely isolationist tendency is not new, by the way. this is exactly what happened in the 1930s and at the beginning of the second world war, the former combined tripod was very strong. this is what the ultra-right movement, which was actually supported in rural germany, which advocated that it was necessary maintain good relations with nazi germany. this lasted until the japanese attack on the hairdresser on december 7, 1941. after that, this morning, the right-wing movement of the news is simply not one of them, but

it ceased to exist and the same thing is happening, and now there is such an ultra-right movement, it is not makes up the majority of it. it has its own influence, and therefore, to overcome its cycles, well , we will have to meet next year, better with regard to aid to ukraine, in particular, well, such difficult negotiations are enough because you know everything. it is clear whether the majority will be in favor of allocating money for to submit assistance to ukraine, our representatives will have to build a coalition of moderate republicans, that is, at least mainly under the leadership of some democrats or all democrats in order to maintain the corresponding budget expenditures. well, look, this year, the congress twice passed special laws on changes in the budget e for special laws on the removal money for aid in ukraine, that is, it cannot be ruled out that he can do something for himself

in the next year. yes, when, let's say, there will be disputes over other articles of the budget, what is it? anyway, with the help of ukraine, there will be such a coalition majority, submit representatives from the majority of republicans, and since the program with the overwhelming majority of democrats or the efforts of democrats, please tell me mr. ihor, have you read the article of the former secretary of state kissinger's agents in the magazine aspecteter, i read it let's try to discuss it in general come on , and if to explain to our viewers the main thesis, well, let's highlight it, the peace process should connect ukraine with nato, there is no alternative such as neutrality henry kissinger makes sense, especially after finland and sweden joined donata.

this is what happened in may of last year. after february 24, however, it is not the territory that it occupied for almost 10 years, including crimea, this territory may become the subject of negotiations after the ceasefire, as far as you are concerned, this concept of a realistic nucist is no longer put forward just like that we understand that art is the result of somehow complicated consultations in the american establishment, maybe not in the administration circles, but in the republican circles, frankly speaking, i do not consider this concept realistic in the sense that it can be implemented, but i am sure and you think that if ukraine accepted to nato e.e. while it has not yet liberated the occupied territories of russia and even with the condition that the fifth article would not extend to any military actions

e.e. regarding the liberation of e.e. occupied territories i would consider this a great victory for ukraine because at least its ukraine and the territory that is under the control of the authorities and under the control of the armed forces of ukraine that it would be protected by this from further attacks by russia because if ukraine were it just that would mean that any attack by russia would be a war between russia and nato. i think that the russian leadership is not ready for such a war and all this will be a very significant defense for ukraine, but i don't think it can be implemented just because i am i don't think that putin can do that because for him any ceasefire on any front line will

only mean preparation for the next hostilities before the next offensive because his whole will not change and that's why therefore, i believe that what i am proposing, keysinger, but it may be in the minds of certain political circles in the united states, particularly republican. but it seems to me that this is something that can be implemented in a good way simply because it is possible to make some kind of agreement with someone who wants it to make an agreement, but it seems to me that putin is simply going nationally on this plan, which was presented moderately between the leadership of, say , north korea, when they proposed to conclude an agreement in 1953 on stopping the korean war on the 30th and 38th parallels on the front line that existed at that time. will

still try to seize as much territory as possible to seize all of ukraine, well, if it is at least sitting in his head, and i think so, by the way, i would like to draw your attention to angelika, too, to draw attention to such a historical moment with this article explanation kisen already called ukraine a state of central europe for the first time in history he wrote ukraine became a large state in central europe for the first time in modern history i once wrote an essay to igor in which i said that ukraine is considered a country of eastern europe like eastern european countries like in when you and i were young, poland , czechoslovakia, and hungary were considered eastern european countries, all this was eastern europe, and now it is central europe, and i said that this is not geography, politics, and how only ukraine it will be possible to break away from russia and they will immediately start calling it a central european country because the ukrainian geographically is not

in the east of europe it is in the center of europe in the center of europe right here not far from lviv in the carpathians and here ukraine has not yet won the final victory but an influential western politician and historian of diplomacy speaks of a central european state , once a central european state was germany, now it is western europe, that is, the center of europe is constantly moving to the east, all that remains are two eastern european countries russia belarus imagine i absolutely agree with you and by the way this is very, very characteristic of such a suf and public opinion in particular in the united states if we were with you 10 years ago well, i would just go to my place somewhere in america among well average enough educated people about ukraine e- i think that if i

had been with you, we had seen such an idea, americans. well, ukraine is there. well, it was a heap. someone considered it a part of the russian empire, a part of russia. what is ukraine now now if with by any americans who have a normal idea of ​​the world, about geography, about political geography, etc. of course, everyone will say that yes, at the combine, this is a democratic country, or that ukraine is a young democracy , that it is very different from russia. of course, ukraine is a european country does it belong to central europe, of course, and not to the east, to which russia and belarus belong? yes, mr. igor, we literally have a minute left, but we can’t help but remember that putin is going to see lukashenka. and first of all, it is strange that he himself is going

and not as usual, the gentleman invites lukashenka to him. does this mean that he is in a weak position? and secondly, all western analysts write that he will persuade lukashenka to directly participate in the war against ukraine . what arguments are there? putin i think the arguments are the same or lukashenko can exist as a dictator only because he is supported by russia so that putin can scare him that if you if you don't agree then we can find someone else in your place, we can probably be like that, well , that is, well, the documents will be like that, they will be the same strict. i would say that i hope that lukashenko is completely dependent on russia, on putin, on the support of putin

. if until the 20th year, lukashenka somehow maneuvered there sometimes between russia and he tried to close eh with the west after to after the 20th year, after he lost the elections and seized power, he dealt with all the protests so that there were in belarus, he is much more i think it depends from putin, this is it, thank you, thank you. yes, we will now return to our place. after thanking the igorotsenko, we will take the ukrainian law student to new york university , and we will contact mykola knyazhytskyi, people's deputy of ukraine. we will talk with him about the last week of work in ukraine. to the parliament on the adoption of these high-profile laws necessary for joining the european union, congratulations mr. mykola , congratulations, congratulations well, let's try to understand what, in your opinion, was the most important thing in these laws and why they

caused yes, i would say contradictory comments from the public of opposition bodies, well , we adopted different laws. i personally worked for the humanitarian committee on the law on media in this law. the union authorities depended on the fact that it was accepted by the new year, we worked a lot and for a long time on this project, which became a law, the work did not start until the convocation passed, but now it has finally reached the end of the document which came out. it is obviously much better than the one that was adopted in the first reading. we also managed to protect the ukrainian language in the mass media and prevent those people who violate the law or are a threat to our national security from the airwaves. the so-called black lists were also there, and sad norms are one of them this is what we actually brought back to life

state television, we fought for denationalization for a very long time in order to fulfill again the norms of the rules of the council of europe convention, the documents of the european union well, the authorities still insisted on leaving the council as a state television channel, which should actually show the parliament, but in fact it does not. the parliament is a propaganda source of information that is financed by the state and these funds are transferred to private structures. somewhere, we managed to reach a compromise , but in general, it is obvious that we are not satisfied with the way it was written, the number of formulations, now , in fact, the national council will be able to ban any blogger who talks about your child on youtube or a craft entrepreneur who makes, i don’t know, collects and sells mushrooms there or advertises through his facebook page, they can actually also be considered a means of mass information and may be subject to a ban on control and inspections, this is not very

good, i have several other such weak points to which we will obviously have to go back. there were other laws, one of them was about the chaotic development of cities, which was passed by the majority in the verkhovna rada. this is not a requirement of the european union, but a requirement of the majority. this law also caused huge opposition in society in a petition against this law literally in a day it gained the required number of votes and became a record holder in this well, as always, our government tries to combine those laws required by the european union but to those generally good laws everywhere add a spoonful of tar to satisfy your own needs there were several, but i would like to go back to the law on media and mention the fact that and yet there was a rule that supposedly allowed the media license to be revoked without a court decision, or did it remain or not, because a petition was registered on the president's website. it is precisely because of the presence of this rule in this law. well, the petitions were different on the

president's website. those mass media that are registered are prohibited only through the court, not registered mass media , and their activity on the internet can be stopped by decision of the national council and, of course, from our national point of view, it is democratic because it can be used against those who do not please the authorities, instead , ban telegram or these solovyov channels or others in a telegram is actually impossible, and in this way the authorities essentially encourage anonymous sources of information. and those who declare their owners and work openly, they are at risk, therefore, although there are many positive things in these regulations that relate to the regulation of the internet, but there are those that are actually possible will be used as censorship and one more i am interested in the miracle of reducing the ukrainian-language quota on the radio , did it remain or did it still manage to remove it? no we managed to defend the norms that were there and protect the ukrainian language regarding the law on the liquidation of the usk that

appeared just a few days after the united states imposed sanctions against judge vovka, this is a coincidence. no, it was not possible. martial law there formulated this norm differently, we voted for this law, although it was obviously better to bring to justice the wolf judge and those judges who violated the law, because by liquidating your court and transferring all cases to the regional court, that's the way it is considered for years we usually deprive citizens of the opportunity to quickly appeal the decisions of administrative authorities, but it is better than nothing, because in fact this court, which, as you remember, is a state institution, you prepared and engaged in corruption, well, it was an example of the worst judicial system that you can imagine and why so long mr. we did not reach the hands of the people 's deputies on this draft law because it was submitted by the president as an urgent

matter that in april of the 21st year, well, the president submits the project and controls the majority of this project did not consider it, obviously with the permission of the president’s office, apparently. this judge, against whom they tried to open a case, who actually violated the law, what part of other courts, not all, but a significant part of other courts that worked in this court, carried out all the whims of the authorities and the authorities did not consider it necessary for themselves er, it was more convenient for them to eliminate it and keep these courts on the hook, but after the adoption of sanctions against the wolf courts was announced, it was no longer possible to save the face of the government and had to move like that liquidating this court in this way is still better than if it were working. but as i already said, this is not an optimal solution from the point of view of the functioning of the judicial system. well, let 's conclude with a topic about the courts, there is also about the constitutional court of ukraine, that's how the law was passed regarding the judicial reform in general , it is taking us a very long time, what decisions

still need to be made in the near future in order for the supreme council of justice, the supreme qualification commission of judges and those courts that have already been judges, whose judges were through competitions, to become operational transparent, fair, and elected so that they function normally well, you mentioned the law on the professional court, there was a rule that candidates and representatives of our judicial bodies and our authorities are selected , but also international independent authoritative experts so that they have opportunities in depending on the courts, this norm was thrown out, well, actually under the guise of a struggle for sovereignty, but it is obvious that we see how our courts work and, unfortunately , we do not see any plan of the government to reform the judicial system criticized for this past government, indeed, the reform was slow, but it was still possible to restart the supreme court, to which there is a claim, but there are significantly fewer of them than before, to create an anti-corruption branch of the courts, and since then

, in fact, the judicial reform has been in place . if we talk about the law on urban planning in what form should it be, so that there would not be such a charge against it, it's just that in this law, the activities of local self-government bodies were actually suppressed, and now in lviv, kyiv, odessa, or kharkiv, you can build anyone, houses of any height are decided by the developers themselves and private e-e control bodies, which they themselves, through related persons, can and do create. it is obvious that what bothered us the most is the complete exclusion of local self- government bodies from what the cities will look like this definitely does not correspond to our european obligations, nor to the general principle of democracy, which is why the association of cities of ukraine came out categorically against this law and more than 38 mayors from various cities, including the mayors of kyiv, lviv, zhytomyr dnipro, and many others the city opposed this law, it was

passed only thanks to an agreement with the representatives of the former psg, who now call themselves something else, but this did not change their essence, and they voted for the government and therefore helped pass this law. well , in fact, it is in the interests of either developers or those people who want them completely control outside the law without local self- government bodies p. mykola, but the developer, in turn, says that on the contrary, the corruption risk is removed, they do not need to go to the local authorities in the cabinet and give bribes for building something well, first of all, if someone gives bribes to someone, then there is no need to liquidate this body. and it is necessary to bring to justice those people who take bribes, and the elimination of local self-government bodies of that city is absurd in itself, because it actually nullifies the function of local bodies self-governance is that the norm concerning the protection of cultural heritage will now apply in the order of notifications, that is, the developer must write a letter to the authority responsible for permits so that there is no

destroyed cultural heritage, if there is no answer within two weeks, then it can be considered as consent. obviously, this will also not give time and opportunity to conduct an effective examination and may lead to the actual destruction of monuments of culture and architecture, and that is why the ministry of culture opposed this law. so we actually opened the door to absolutely such uncontrolled wild capitalism, and obviously there will still be bodies that will control the activities of these private licensing organizations, i think right there will take bribes and it was they who initiated it, we agree that it was possible and necessary to simplify this law because developers are also businessmen and decent businessmen, but i read, for example, blogs and appeals from lviv developers who were outraged that this would be decided somewhere in kyiv by an unknown bodies and not by local authorities, so eliminating local authorities from my point of view is unacceptable in this case. and tell me, anyway, are there any chances to change the media law itself

so that it did not contain all these certainties, we need to start another law that would amend the law on media, and then maybe such a chance will appear, we will see how our european partners will react to this, they are now ready to turn a blind eye to a lot of things, because it is very important to them that it becomes a member of the european union for us it is no less important and even if we close our eyes in this case because membership in the eu is important for us, but as soon as we become members of the eu we will have to change this law even if we don't if someone wants to us complaints because of those norms, all the more so that these changes will definitely be made, well, this is so romantic. by the way, the position of hungary does not change anything and is a member of the eu and a member of nato, we can see that there are different members of the eu, this is true , but hungary are accused of some other sins, not the ones we are talking about now , even in hungary, state television does not exist, it does not exist in any of the european countries, because this is such an evocative precedent

, so at least return to the european dual system, where the private broadcasting is public and the state does not have control over broadcasting inside the country, you can have state broadcasting, but only for inno broadcasting for broadcasting outside the country, i think that the norms will definitely have to change also p. mykola, the law on national minorities was passed, if i am not mistaken, by the constitutional majority or there are no complaints directly to this law , is it still necessary to regulate this issue with some additional regulatory acts, we had comments on this law, but in general, the law does not encroach on the definition the ukrainian language and its use as a state language, and despite some of our comments, we believe that it should have been adopted, that is why we supported it and voted for it. thank you, mr. mykola . thank you. we

will announce it, so we continue the saturday polyplod program, local espresso , angelika sezonka, and our dear guest , the head of the voice of america office in eastern europe, myroslava gongadze, congratulations. thank you. myroslava has now toured these territories which are we can say that such special emotions are evoked, i think that you too and here are the impressions, well, it was important for me because there are a lot of warnings about a possible invasion, especially , of course, from the side of belarus, so i uh, this mission was to go to this region and to see all the challenges facing our military ukrainian military there, i have to say that it looks like the military is quite well prepared there and as i was told by the officials there and the military

that this is the current state of the ukrainian army can't be compared to what it was like 9 months ago, when there was the first invasion, and from the point of view of mobilization, from the point of view of military equipment, from the point of view of skill , that is, all this is. defense is so that the impressions are the same and the population is very mobilized, it already clearly understands what can be expected and it helps the army, that is, there is such a synchronization of both the army and the local population. i also visited the rivne nuclear plant because she is the only active er the station is the closest to the border. as we know, the ukrainian energy system is very dependent on nuclear energy. before the war, it

was 50%. ukraine received electricity from nuclear energy . now it is more, as experts say, and it is as huge a risk as we are . we see what is happening with the zaporizhzhia station, so it was important to look and talk to the specialists there, and it also looks like they are ready, the station is ready, the station is preparing protection, but everyone is working in extraordinary conditions, so that well, after all, you can wait for everything, you have to be like this from the north, yes, it can be in the other direction, no, the stall ran and they say about the kiva. i don't understand why. because i think that putin is just thinking about control over the ukrainian nuclear generation, it is more important than the government quarter in kyiv for the university, we know about the previous plans, the previous plans were to seize all the nuclear plants, and this is, so to speak, the key to controlling ukraine, thanks to this, it was important, er, to visit there and

see, we know that you are the same and on you have been to the donbass. what are your impressions ? it is clear that the scale of the destruction there is terrible and we will not hide it for 8 years, but they have suffered more than other regions of ukraine during the 8 years of the invasion of the russian federation, but it is interesting how the local population reacts, because we know that the east of ukraine, after all, was configured differently and part of the population was pro-russian, did it still remain there, you know, i was not there this time, but i was there last time at the end of september, i was in the newly liberated izyum, and i must say that i was of course there in chernihiv in such regions i can say that hmm of course consolidation and national awareness is in connection with