our guests are actually already ilya ne shkadovsky, head of the analytical direction in the ants network, and oleg pensin, executive director of the economic discussion club, gentlemen. we congratulate you. good morning, we are glad to see you with light, i hope with a good mood . no, there is no such light. well, i knew that i, what, what, the second thing is for sure, gentlemen, is one of the questions that has arisen in connection with the blackouts that have increased a little, that have increased, and whether the banking system will be stable or whether we will not have problems with the transfer of funds from the electronic account electronic with transactions and so on and so on, because it is no secret that in russia, in addition to the disconnection of large power grids, they also say that the next goal

should be the paradization of the banking system of ukraine. what do you think about this, will the banking system be wasted? we need to stock up on cash for trips to the shops, let's talk about it. who wants to, let's go tomorrow, well, look, there are really two dangers , the danger is big enough. in principles and once again i would like to repeat that the national bank of ukraine is actively preparing for such things and there is even an absolutely well -developed scenario of a complete blackout where a certain number of branches of large systemic banks in ukraine will operate and which must be provided with adequate energy supply in order to fully satisfy all the needs of e-e ukrainians in

actual banking operations, and there is a second danger - hacker attacks, there is a danger associated with interference in the work of e-e electronic systems by russian hackers who also are being monitored seriously enough, it is being worked out by the ukrainian special service, we are the relevant, let's say, e-e bodies that are engaged in the fight against such things, so in principle, i say again, it is probably worth reassuring the ukrainians that the banking system e-e is being prepared, the banking system works normally and there are no problems, there is great hope from the work of the banking system in ukraine will not be, please, mr. ilya well, i agree, but there are such points here, the first point is about the use by people of their accounts of their funds are in the bank account even if there is no electricity, nothing will

happen to them, that is, your credentials will be stored and information about how much you have in the account, and you can even withdraw them in the future - this is without any problems , that is, your funds, if you need them for your current needs they do not need to be removed. in any case, there is no need for a more reliable one. for me , this is exactly what i do. and regarding, for example , current funds and current payments, i think the ukrainians really faced certain problems, in particular, for example, when the electricity goes out, these atms don't work because they have certain problems even with some alternative sources of supply, and in priyma stores, when the electricity is cut off, they accept cash. so this is also a certain problem, that is, in other words you have to pay in cash because the terminals don't work because the connection is very weak eh and based on these two points, eh, still the presence of certain amounts

of cash so that you can go and calmly buy the products you need in the store of course, in this case, it is better to have stocks, and one more point is that if the atms are not working, then every ukrainian should know that he can safely go to the shops. we have shops that are equipped with generators and, accordingly, also have stable mobile communications. connection and in these stores you can take and withdraw funds directly at the cash registers of these stores, that is, in other words, note that what you want to know is that the language says that there is 1,000 uah and that 1,000 uah will be issued to you by conducting an operation accordingly, this is, by the way, the result of previous reforms that were in previous years, the ability of ukrainians to withdraw money from e-cash registers , supermarkets, etc., so even if there is a problem near you, there will definitely be some kind of store equipped with generators that works reliably, you can go there to withdraw cash and

then use it for the needs that exist, but i emphasize once again only mainly for current needs for current needs so it is better to have cash it is better to provide yourself with the main such resource is a small application see cash every payment method and the fact that we pay in cash, doesn't that mean that our banking system doesn't work well, i.e. let's figure ourselves out there 15-20 years ago , no one knew about bank cards at all, the only way of payment was cash, the banks worked normally, that is, they worked with cash when we talk to you about banking problems system, then we will actually be talking about the situation when someone there will refuse to accept any payments at all, there will be some barter operations , let's say as a method of calculation , we will definitely not go down to that again

i repeat, the banking system will work normally and pay in cash. well, what does this situation mean now, in the next period of time, it will be a little better with electricity, there will be electronic cards, well, that is, no problems with cash or cards. i think there will not be, dear our guests, er, we have now talked about the situation if the banking system, well, roughly speaking, ends up with no current and we understand that in order to correct this situation, it will take some time. i am interested in the further work of our the banking system is somehow affected by this period of time without electricity. can we say that the longer it is, the more irreversible processes can occur in our banking system, mr. ilya? well, i can give an example. it's just that we actually have a certain crash test conducted on occupied territories, in particular, for example kherson and in

kherson, despite the fact that there was an occupation, that it was limited, that it was seized from the division, that, accordingly, there are zero serious problems with being able to use a-a directly from your bank card, and at the same time mobile banking worked absolutely without problems, it functioned constantly, that is, it was not, if there is a connection, that is, if you connected directly to the connection, then you had the opportunity to transfer funds to whom you wanted to transfer and receive funds to that e - in this context, with regard to the reliability of the banking system, it just went right , too. it works even when there is no electricity. the main thing is that there should be a connection, a mobile connection, and about the time, this is more a question for people, that is, others in words, the main thing is not to panic, let's say it like this. that there are some servers or some databases, they will be lost

due to the fact that there will be a long time without electricity, well, this is absolutely not true. it is not true that every bank is provided with adequate means of alternative electricity supply, even when the servers are turned off, even if they are completely detuned, then when they are turned on, all the information stored on them will immediately be available for use, because of some other problem again well, what other problems could there be from the point of view of missing the fact that the electricity was turned off, well, that is, the information is saved, then calculations can be made, and so on, and so on. well, the duration does not matter. well, anyway, as soon as electricity appears, as soon as the bank's electricity supply is restored the system immediately went to work, an example of kherson, as soon as the electricity appeared, the internet was just connected, people calmly made calculations, according to your opinion , there is a forecast that by 2% in the

last two months, due to all the blockades, in addition the gdp of the country will fall. is it correct to say so? and is it really a big loss and how can we compensate for it? what can we counter ? well, look at it this way, in reality, gdp will definitely decrease due to the blockades, and this will primarily be related to with the extremely high complexity of business operations, and if, for example, a medium-sized business can in some way insure itself by the means of continuous e-e power supply with the same diesel generator , then a large business, unfortunately, at the current moment cannot completely cover itself with alternative sources, and we are already have you seen the official statements of the pickle rally about the fact that they are reducing the total volume of production because the actual problems with the supply of electricity

lead to the need to reduce production volumes, that is, extremely large enterprises, big business will really suffer and as a result, we should expect a fall gdp in any case, one must understand that this year, ukraine will lose somewhere in the order of 32-33% of the gross domestic product, and this figure is actually extremely large, and one must understand that these are the consequences of those which the occupier is inflicting on the economy of ukraine today. ugh, mr. ilya, i want to add something to that. so i am with mr. ilya. can you hear us? well , he probably has some as a result of hanging up. oh, he appeared. i see that you will or do you want to add something to what mr. oleg said if you have probably heard about such problems in ukraine after

the first period without electricity, he will now quickly find his work on our air. i really hope mr. ilya naida . data centers have uninterrupted power supply , that is, in any case, no electronic information will be lost. that is, everyone alternatively has a request for constant power supplies, and therefore, i repeat once again, there will be no problems with the loss of any electronic information, the banking system is completely invalid so, don't worry people, everything will be fine, there is one more issue that we would like to discuss with you , our dear online guests, after the significant reduction of taxes and the liberalization of control over ex-payment in march and april 2022 already since the summer, the government began to return taxes

, and now little by little, little by little, but business must return to the usual rules, so to speak . you are with us, i would like to have yours. yes, not yet. then, i would like to ask you a question about the return of taxation for our ukrainian business, is there any monitoring of the situation as of now , or is our business willing to return to honest relations with the state, you and i have adopted the state budget for the 23rd year, the expenditure part of the state budget for the 23rd year is two and six district hryvnias , the revenue part is what you and i will receive in the form of taxes and fees 1.3 million

50% of the expenses that ukraine has to carry out must be borrowed. the total amount of financial assistance that ukraine needs is 37 billion dollars. this is the number announced by the prime minister. that is, we must understand that one and a trillion that ukraine plans to collect in the form of taxes and fees half cover our needs, therefore, the need to return business to normal working conditions and to paying taxes. i do not discuss the issue of any corruption there, i do not discuss the issue of the tax system - this is a completely different conversation, but paying taxes for today's business this is the only way to survive in that situation in which we exist why because practically everything that we collect in the form of taxes and fees we spent on war the total amount of

financing of military actions today is somewhere at the level of 1.125 trillion for the next year all the social obligations of the state will be financed through external borrowings . that is, we must understand that the situation is absolutely critical in the economy and if business does not return to normal work and pay taxes, you and i will not be able to win normally. thank you, mr. nezgodovsky, we are talking about the return of taxation this is smooth little by little already since the summer, after there was a period of certain liberalization and counting on the integrity and voluntariness of our business, which will provide the necessary jobs a large number of ukrainians who will help, in particular, the ukrainian army. well , with taxes. as they say, we will figure it out later , but now we are trying to put these dots on and mr. oleg noted why it is important to return to the concert of honest business relations with the state. but again, about

monitoring as much as business is willing returns to this circle, well, the business continued to pay taxes, here i would say the following serious problem, which consists in the fact that today the government does not create normal working conditions for of business i will again raise the issue of blocking tax invoices, business is currently considering the issue of the impossibility of continuing its work, well, let's say so, even transferring its production facilities to other countries as a direct result of the government blocking tax invoices for the increasing load, but now, for example, they are talking about the number of taxes already more than in the previous year, despite the fact that 30% of our economy is actually stopped .

yes, of course, you can talk a little about inflation, but still the main goal what is the cabinet of ministers doing now? sorry, this is actually such a certain business. therefore, it is necessary to return. no one disputes this business. you e-e to the national bank of ukraine to support the army and united 24 business transfers funds , including directly supporting the ukrainian pi- the ukrainian budget in order to fig opportunities to finance the army so that he i had the opportunity to directly support my work, but what is the relationship to business today? i’ll be honest. well, it’s just a disaster, so we have to go back. but if such a taxation system is some kind of more comfortable conditions for business, can we talk about some straight sticks ? in

wheels well, as for me today, if we are not going to talk about taxation , what did the government do to improve logistics? and what did the government do directly to free business, for example, from taxation of generators, but absolutely stupid explanations are issued from the tax office that you must purchase a license, that you must account accordingly, and then changes are already made to the legislation so that business does not do this, that is, instead of contributing, we say to things about paying taxes should not be forgotten, business provides jobs if you do not want to feed a person at the expense of the budget, then let the business directly pay this person a salary so that this person receives little opportunity to feed his family and when you if you destroy a business, sorry, and jobs are lost, not only the warehouse and taxes

. it is normal, accordingly, to pay taxes, create jobs, directly to pay wages, then you will see a solid sorry, only showing student indicators, well, no indicators, but simply, here we have launched the program, when you find out what you have millions of unemployed, but they got 6,000 jobs and you are proud of that. well, 6,000 people is just ridiculous compared to several million people who lost their jobs, and you can go through every point like that. the situation is terrible. the government needs me. well, of course, during the war, now it is inappropriate to change it, but i'm sorry , if they change their policy, then we can win, but we will have a direct business, a business that will lose logistics, electricity, etc., the impossibility of supplying the

workplace, the impossibility of application, etc. more well, that's why there are a lot of remarks about the fact that it's not a matter of business, business is ready for the government, and the government is ready for honest relations, just don't end the festival on such a note. a little bit of good news. yes, we're going back to the banking system. the shaheds are constantly trying to do hacker attacks in every way to undermine the stability of the banking system, nothing works for the russians, on the other hand, in them today, in a few hours of this morning's trading, the dollar soared very much the ruble rose by 21 kopecks, almost by the ruble, the euro rose in price, exceeding all the results, well, that is, they returned to the shocking figures of may , the price of the word continues to rise, there is a bit of a panic there and it is more expensive now, the dollar, the euro and the yuan. by the way, the yuan is also terribly

expensive, i don’t know what they are on there they don't buy , well, such an audience, we can be comforted that something is wrong with the africans. of course, this is humor. thank you. thank you . of the economic discussion club with whom we talked with whom we talked about the stability of the ukrainian banking system in the conditions of a possible blackout resume everything will be okay well and about what prospects are there for ukrainian business in conditions of still war but in conditions when it is necessary to fill the state budget we are moving on and let us remind you now that despite our struggle at the front with the russian federation, we must not forget to do our homework, do it for ourselves , in order to keep our country clean, orderly and not smelly let's say so, neither the soviet union nor the russian federation in connection with the studio stepan berko

herbalist advocacy manager of the de jure foundation stepan greetings glory to ukraine good morning glory to the heroes who put forward their candidacies for election to the supreme council of justice according to the quota of the 19th extraordinary the assembly of judges of ukraine, which will take place in january, we are very much looking forward to this assembly of judges, because in fact the fate of eight seats in the supreme council of justice will depend on it, this is the most important let's be frank body of judicial governance from on which the purity of our entire judicial system depends in general in the tenth if i'm not mistaken , this information marathon has started, this, well , in fact, this is the interim congress of judges and

retired judges. with professionalism and integrity, we have 16 candidates for eight vacant seats and this is good, it means that eight members of the supreme court will be able to be appointed from the judges. candidates who will remain in the competition after being checked by the ethics council, they will not be enough to be elected without members of the committee, in accordance with the powers of the frp, then it will be a question like this, that is, when will it be possible to appoint a sufficient number of members in relation to the candidates themselves, we are in a condition for law and other public organizations in our coalition, we conducted an analysis of the candidates, sent all this information to the ethical council of 16 candidates, we had absolutely no questions

, up to four uh, up to the others, there were questions of different, let's say, different caliber, if this absolutely unusual period, and of course, when was this competition planned? we hoped that at the interviews, which would be public, we would be able to see how these questions are asked to the candidates and how the candidates refute them or do not refute them, unfortunately, the ethical war in ukraine, the advocacy manager of the foundation de- there are problems with us in connection with communication, which is not surprising, i would like to remind you that literally on february 21 and 23, you and i are all together as in a past life, to be honest , we could watch online the interviews with candidates for the supreme council of justice and - and 24

the following interviews were planned for february, but as you can see, all this was interrupted by a large-scale invasion, and the ethics council, which actually decides the fate of all candidates , resumed its work only at the end of april, and the first thing it did was to take on 4 current members of the people's party, all the wolf princes, as the head of the supreme court who is a member of the vrp by position, in accordance with the law , was not supposed to undergo such an inspection. well, according to the results of the inspection, the ethics council recommended, for example, the dismissal of viktor hryshchuk, as it is connected with the recent liquidation of the district of the administrative court of the city of kyiv and in general how it is connected in our judicial system the fact is that mr. hryshchuk, they say , got into the vrp according to the quota of the congress of law universities back in april 2019, and it was

about his certain relations with pavel vovk , the head of the district administrative court of the city of kyiv , stepan, i'm here for a little excursion. different questions caliber compared to other candidates. but every time i hear the congress of ukrainian judges, i get chills because there you can expect anything and what you will actually work with later. she sent us judges, and actually from her judges, she should appoint eight members of the vrp, of course, the previous experience of holding congresses, he, let's say, leaves

such unpleasant memories. judges did not consider the candidacy of the ethics council, none of the members of the supreme council of justice, who was appointed by the congress of judges, was not recommended for dismissal, so the story is a little different there. the fact is that we have more than one example when at the congress of judges, the heads of good authorities where quite a few judges gave instructions on who should be appointed and written by the councils of justice and the constitutional court. that is, we understand that very often this is some kind of instructions from above and true judicial self-government, however it should be, does not happen eh. now we see such trend. that is, we are already receiving such reports from various sources that there are attempts to appoint only 2-3

members of the vrp there and actually not to collect enough votes for all the rest. so this means a new competition - it is at least six months a year in order to be able to was to appoint members of the board of directors and in the end for this body to work and unfortunately, those judges who are completely afraid of disciplinary complaints and 10 disciplinary proceedings are interested in this scenario and that the new board of directors will be able to show a new quality of work and will be able to to dismiss them from the position of judges is therefore very important for this congress to come, after all, the members of the vrp were appointed and we had the authority. this structure and the supreme council of justice were already effective. for example, the story surrounding bohdan lviv and his judges . it seems that he was or is now a russian

citizen. what would be the actions, for example, in the supreme council of justice, or did they stay? like those who should initiate them or from the other side here is a very fresh example of suspension from execution of his duties of the legally elected head of the city of chernigov, for which some district court, not just some, but the yavorivsky district court in the lviv region, and in connection with that, well, in fact, if there is a violation, then it is obvious that some administrative and which is deprived for a year, suspended for a year, the mayor who has political... let's say there are some problems with the central government with kyiv, and so on. well, it looks like a completely political decision. so, should the supreme council of justice react to such things in what way? well, i'll start from the last time, the supreme council of justice can

not intervene in specific cases. it can only consider complaints against judges if there is strong evidence that the judge is involved in illegal decisions, that is, if chernihiv files such a complaint or if a part of the members of the supreme council independently sees in some specific decision, it is enough to substitute the opening of disciplinary proceedings, then the implementation is opened, all the evidence is analyzed and the judge can be brought to justice, but the decision of the supreme council of justice cannot be changed, that is, it must to understand that this is not a court of understanding eh on such an ordinary thing it can be said that the judge is above the judges who decides whether the judges really make legal decisions which can be but the maximum disciplinary ones they can this judge can be dismissed from yes this is the only body that can do this of course

, i have to correct you regarding judge lviv, he is no longer a judge because the constitution says that if he has foreign citizenship and the position of a ukrainian judge, they are incompatible from the moment when it was established as an official documents, this is a letter from the security service of ukraine about the fact that bohdan lviv has russian citizenship, his powers as a judge have ceased. - that bohdan lviv is no longer a judge. it is clear. how should the supreme council of justice act in this case, well, actually, there is a staged situation, let's see if god will change him from his position or not , because there is no time for authority, but they could would investigate the circumstances under which he received this position, obviously