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these are marginal, rather subcultural phenomena, and here is what borel said about what i will quote, and at the same time , a radical trial is taking place in our countries, the extreme right is getting stronger, and this is the choice of the people, and how true is this and how threatening is it... er or is it within the limits of such a normal democracy in er in europe, well now there really is such a wave new wave of er right radicalism and er these parties even sometimes enter governments and they have relatively strong positions today but as a rule when they enter they are in the government then more moderate and then partially they are even changing their ideology hmm i
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can't say yet whether this is really such a fundamental fundamental change in european politics there is indeed such a wave now but let's say you talked about austria there and before we also had such such a wave in austria and when there well, these right-wing radicals had very strong positions and then less and probably it will just be a wave now and in a couple of years there will be less of it , but now it is really a dangerous situation in some ways she addresses that putsch, so to speak unsuccessful about which we started with and is russia really sticking out its ears behind these strange people how did you call them urban madmen is this some kind of internal story after all yes, it is more of an internal story these
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people they wanted to have a connection with russia and some contacts with russia, and there seems to have been some contact with such a strange , even in the russian context, deputy fedorov of the state duma, who had some contact with these reisbergers, imperial citizens, but we have to wait there will be a study of all this. i think it would be for russia. well, not quite useful, partners, because russia is more trying to influence political extremes , such as in austria, it is more successful, so to speak, but it is too much. the marginal group is the reisbergers, so i'm not sure
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if there really was an agent there or there was a secret operation, you probably know this story about how the ukrainian embassies in europe received parcels with such a strange and such a strange filling, there were the eyes of various animals carved into cows, you seem like pigs, and those packages went to probably more than a dozen ukrainian embassies throughout europe. who do you think could be behind this? who is capable of such a game? it could really be some kind of russian special operation, i don't rule it out, no, it's also like that it's a bit pathetic, such an operation, well, it's hard for me to say. it's probably a quality of other people who, er, think something , but here, here, there could really be some er,
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russian agent, cheers for this, in the context of this, we can't help but ask the topic about the topic that we we constantly discuss in our information space the hungary factor and the orbán factor, which raises a lot of questions from the side of ukrainians , why is this the case on the territory of the eu? the general position of the european union in relation to ukraine, whether urbanism manages to shake it or vice versa, and the eu has already found tools of influence and taming of this openly pro-russian politician, well, this is really such a very sad development in hungary, which was once one of of the first countries that left the soviet bloc. i
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think so. alexander probably knows even more about hungary than i do because he lived a long time in austria and probably followed hungarian politics, but now this is really the case in the european union. it is very strange if hungary is now were she not already a member of nato and the european union, of course she would not be able to join either, i think, neither in the european union nor in nato, but she is now a member of both the european union and nato and she is engaged in such sabotage simply both the internal and external affairs of the european union and partly also nato, but it is rather again obliged. i think with the internal affairs of hungary there is now an
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authoritarian regime and therefore orbán has a conflict with the european union and he uses these ukrainian issues in order to put pressure on the european union but well, for example, now it seems that the european union has found a solution to this problem and is helping ukraine by the fact that this decision has now been made not by the european union, but by 26 countries of europe, 27 countries of the european union, that is, this money of support for ukraine, they will go to ukraine and er. it will simply be without hungary. i think these conflicts will continue and it is certain that this is a real problem for ukraine.
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thank you very much, mr. andreasomlante . of europe and together we thank you for the wonderful ukrainian language, no matter what panel mr. oleksandr spoke with us. of course, what is happening is that hungary has formed such an internal opposition within the european union that it trades there continuously for some of its own interests, bargaining for financing that the european union freezes from time to time for completely different reasons unrelated to ukraine, and instead blocks aid to ukraine, thus blackmailing europe in order to unblock its own aid to itself. therefore, i want to ask whether the position of mr. orbán and the position of hungary are really so useless,
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given that the hungarians themselves are actually more half, as it became known, according to the statistics provided by the website of the european parliament, support the aid of the european union to ukraine and, nevertheless, this divisiveness with the policy of official budapest, why is it so? is this really the resistance of orban the nosyart and all this big company are actually such is no longer connected with anything material. is it really some kind of political controversy? is it still connected with certain financial buns coming from russia? well, of course there are certain connections, we can see at what price it sells russia is the source of energy for hungary and the rest of europe. that is , it is obvious that there is an economic benefit. but i believe that hungarians have ideological motives here, and hungary. well, i
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call it a country where trumpism won, but in the united states, trumpism on asparagus already in hungary, here is trump precisely by ideology and the trump card, they are very close to that ideology, oh, america, forest, now, here is hungary well, as they say, first of all, yes, and that is why it is such an ideology of selfishness, the ideology of... well, instead of solidarity, europe is a plus for you is based even ideas of solidarity ideas of sincere ideas of what to become, what was before the foundation of the european union, this is a turned page we do not live in the past, and hungary lives a little in the past, that is, hungary has a lot of such nostalgia for the lost imperial
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greatness and so on and so on and this transforms unfortunately, eh well, i will tell you how hungary looks in the eyes of neighboring austria in the eyes of austria. i will never forget the central cover of one of the central austrian magazines with a portrait of orbán and the signature urbanista, but they are even women - what is neighboring austria in in principle, it is also not an enemy, was not an enemy of russia, which if it tried to somehow play such a neutral role. this is how it looks and it is very true. it seems to me that hungary loses a lot in terms of foreign policy and in terms of reputation. this is very important for europe, europe, in the context of support for ukraine, so i want to find out how much their trade is internal, it is their business, but how much they are capable
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of splitting this european unity, which i am sure is a dream mr. putin is in the kremlin no definitely no, that is, hungary will not be split in order to split european unity, it must be in the european mainstream. hungary is not in the european mainstream . it rests, you understand, where, where, that's why i don't want to condemn this country, and even more so if i now have such an official status of the ministry of foreign affairs, how do i speak my opinion, and i believe that this is the position of hungary the effort is to be with ukraine and at the same time with russia, in principle it does not have the euro and does not give anything to hungary itself, but it will give nothing to russia in the end, well, this is a paradox, by the way, hungarians, ordinary hungarians, on the one hand , mostly support ukraine, and on the other hand
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on the other hand, orban has 70% support, who declares a completely different policy, but if we look at the statistics of support for ukraine among european countries that you have prepared, let's show it to the audience and discuss how it changes from the geographical distance from ukraine to the level of support for us by european residents of european countries, the editors will now show very, very interesting statistics. 74% of citizens of the european union generally approve of support for ukraine. look at bulgaria, bulgaria, bulgaria, bulgaria, slovakia, greece . it is literally with other countries for greater support. we are given e-e among the citizens - these are the residents of the northern countries, yes finland is the capital, and
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also, of course, our closest neighbors - this is poland, lithuania, latvia, it is clear exactly the countries which used to be in the zone of influence, and other scandinavian countries, finland in the zone of influence of the soviet union and bulgaria, slovakia itself , for some reason they give ukraine fewer votes of support, how can i explain, i want to give one more figure. if we are talking about the support of citizens, then financial aid it is the country that is in the first place in the level of aid to ukraine. it is based on the level of gdp. you know what a great honor it is, my great-grandfather's homeland, estonia. i am very proud that it is the only one . help to ukraine to ukrainians, and this is extremely comforting because this country, apparently, and all the baltic countries, remember very well what the annexation of the 1940s is, what the
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enslavement by the soviet union is, so they know very well what they are, what they are they give and don't give the introduction of troops into czechoslovakia of the ussr, but the situation with words is a little different. by the way, in germany itself, support is absolutely not uniform in eastern germany, much less support for the actions of the european union in support of ukraine, than in western germany, for example to germany, oleksandrovich, why is there such a geographical geographical misunderstanding of the level of support for ukraine that appears from these statistics, for me it is also a mystery, why is hungary, which survived the soviet aggression, which was actually occupied by the soviet union after the second world war, occupies that is, it does not belong
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to the outsiders according to this list, but in principle , the same slovakia is next to us, which has experienced exactly this and so on below. well, it is possible that it is just some kind of uh-uh. antics of statistics. maybe if we conduct 3-4 such surveys then there will be some others, yes, yes, but i want to ask about uh, you have already mentioned masha in the ninth package of sanctions, the ban on officials of the european union, representatives from working in russian companies, and we, at the beginning of the war, for us, it was such a really big discovery about what it turns out that a large number of retired european officials who worked in high positions after their dismissal received seats on various supervisory boards of russian companies. they received crazy money there, did nothing and would have some nominal which positions were used in
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russia in order to promote their interests, the europeans found out about it and understood . - this is not the same as in ukraine, the soviet space, that is, today you are a politician, you are a president, a prime minister, and tomorrow you will cease to be one , and the question arises before you, what will you live for, in front of the ukrainian former ministers or the prime minister - by ministers, this is a question for some reason, it does not arise to have time to die to spend it all, well, for the best, we will generalize, but here it is, but it happens like this, well , in principle, people do not think about this question, but in europe, in
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principle, this question arises and russia, in principle, very much she says well nothing, we don't demand anything from you, we don't need anything, we just love you, man, we want you to be provided and so on, so you have such experience. maybe someday you will help us with something, that is, please a huge salary in the supervisory board there or in russian railways or rosneft or there, but it was very interesting. i was very interested in watching how various austrian politicians who were in these supervisory boards behaved when the active phase began, that is, he is the former austrian chancellor christian kern, who was on the supervisory board of the railways. on the second or third day, he texted me and told me that, mr. ambassador, i am leaving. i
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fully support it. this is absolutely barbaric and so on, that is, he. i was simply extremely moved by the fact that he did such a post, and another former austrian chancellor, schüssel, ah, he almost had to be pulled out of the board of directors of the supervisory board where he was in rassneft, because he thinks that everything is fine. everything is correct. well, in principle, you understand gazprom. he was gazprom . putin was driving because of european politics . you know how a person drives with this truck through supermarkets . this era is over. thank god they turned into, you know, a kind of mechanism of actually legal-legal bribes to european
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politicians. but fortunately, in europe, the institution of reputation still really matters and what you said actually really works. because there may be sanctions. even the fact that the neighbors in the house don't say hello to you. and it's hard for us to understand, russians don't understand at all. but nevertheless, it really works in europe. i've seen it more than once. and it's very good, because really, then you don't go somewhere right away the maldives is for an eternal rest until death, and you have to work somewhere in some company where you will be asked. and why did you play along with putin when the blood of innocent people was being shed in ukraine? well, i wonder why they did not start to realize this in the 14th year, but only now they understood, but well, you explained because they need god more than another. she realized it herself recently. because those who know russians well, of course, they understand how they think, how they behave. why are they
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so different? let's put it mildly, but europeans do not understand this because they perceive themselves in the same way as other civilized people who simply have a different point of view and it is necessary to listen to them and then, in the process of dialogue, we must somehow find a compromise solution and they constantly push us into this dialogue and into this compromise, we explain to them that it is impossible that you mean, you are dealing with savages of the 21st century and you cannot agree on anything with them, as golda meyer said, our enemies want to see us 2 m underground and we want to live in this dilemma, in which there is not much space for a compromise with actually we have the same dilemma now they want to look like they are civilized and they really could put dust in the eyes of the europeans for many years, we didn't, and the europeans did
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it for many years. well, unfortunately, it was too late and it cost us many lives. they are now globally attacking the countries of the global south. they are trying to work with the african continent and the countries of latin america . she is engaged in information security, she constantly goes to the un international conference there. yes, and they say that the diplomats of these countries of the global cock constantly approach our representatives and say such words that you know the representatives of the russian delegation approached us. well, they are afraid of the situation that is developing. and they don't want such a terrible war, but they are in such a state that they don't know how to find a way out, they really want to find peace, and that's why they come to us help
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us establish contact with ukrainian representatives because we want peace, we really don't want a continuation of the war, but everything is developing so terribly now that we don't know how to approach this topic, the market was torn apart by several territories and tens of thousands of people were killed, and now i want go wrong in this beautiful plan, the representatives of diplomacy in these countries of the global south are in full seriousness trying to reconcile everyone in well, let's talk, they have returned to us, haven't you here we are here, we are ready to be mediators, let's look for honey, and ours say, well, seriously, that is, you, you take seriously what russia says, that is, russia simply replaced the market of work with europeans with the market of work with african countries in latin america and is trying to develop this project there which relies on russian money to look for this kind of support and explanation that everything is so clear, then he wants to
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sit with everyone at my place, there is such an explanation for what is happening that he thinks that any methods are good if it is possible to delay time and at this time to prepare the necessary forces in order to make a breakthrough, the next attack on ukraine, and whether he will be able to sit back and wait for such a favorable situation in europe to split its unity, this is actually my question to you, not conditionally, he will not split europe no west, but the factor that the global south stands in this position, it is true that somewhere in the middle is a problem . gaddafi or some other african leaders spoke about 20 years ago, that is, the imperialism of trying to take over the resources of
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the world, etc. it's a bit of a feeling right now. but you white people have been teaching us this for many years because you're killing each other . make peace, we'll be mediators, but now a war has started in europe, and we'll tell you now. and you? look at how easy it is to end the war, that is, why am i saying that uh, hmm , they are africans, in principle, well, the global south. let's say that latin america is also there, asia, but i primarily look at africa, since i am active on twitter, and there are african accounts on twitter. they have such an influence
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on the global south, he does, yes, he sympathizes with russia, but he is not as convinced, strongly and consistently on her side as on our side, on our side is the global west. therefore, nevertheless we will win, but after all, we noticed that macron, the president of france, has recently resumed his negotiating activity, what is it all of a sudden that these negotiations have already stopped and these calls have started again, statements that we need to give some security guarantees to russia, what happened to him who bit him again well someone from the supervisory board no actually it's absolutely simple all these are elected politicians they do what uh on the one hand what they think is historically correct politically correct and on the other hand on the one hand, they do what their voters
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expect from them, and the europeans will choose at least the french ones. i understand that he still, well, i really like the phrase that uh, there is a plan, bad negotiations are better than a good war, uh, diplomacy, i have to say my word, let's end the ceasefire and so on. in other words , it sells very well, especially since in france there are very strong positions. well, these left-wing politicians are very left-wing, in principle, they are basically the left-wing spectrum and on our side, but they are radically left-wing. closer to putin, there is a large a-a community. well, these emigrants from north africa who, in principle, also do not feel very well and understand what this war is about, therefore, as an elected politician, he must take certain steps that his electorate perceives normally, but internally it seems to me that he absolutely understands what needs to be done, he is doing it. we
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see that weapons are also coming from france, we see that , in principle, and well, all of us europeans make the right decisions and the decisions of the big seven. to be very worried that he will sometimes call putin, this thesis about the search for peace, it has become a separate type of weapon that was first used by putin because from the very beginning of the war he said i want peace i want we don't want to fight we don't fight at all we protect people but we do not want a global war, and he began to disperse it so powerfully that in the world the same countries of the global rooster began to believe in it, and if the whole other world, namely europe, yes, she. well, what can we say in these conditions? no, we want war yes, yes, putin wants to hear these theses in order to start talking again. look, i want war, they want peace, they want war. yes , well, who is the aggressor
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? that is, he is saying one thing, and the european union continues to conduct its policy and move towards supporting ukraine. by the way, the statement of the jcman countries is very important, which recently emphasized in a direct text, simply as a separate point, that they see all these crimes committed by personally, mr. putin and they will definitely seek his personal responsibility for everything that was done in ukraine , the restoration of ukraine will be done at the expense of russian money, this is also mentioned in this statement and this is very important because we will need money for the restoration of ukraine, why are we so we talk a lot about the european union because i think that in the near future in the 13th, 23rd or 24th year we will still be members of this community. therefore, we need to understand what is happening there, how it is built and what
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changes are waiting for us there when we become full members of the european union night watch maria vasilievna i am hungarian oleksandr scherba visited us see you all on the air we understood that this winter will be difficult, we found ourselves in such conditions for the first time but i know for sure that we they sent us, they don't even know how strong and resilient we are, we light candles and whether or not there is heating, they warm us best. hugs of loved ones, when the light goes out, we go to visit our relatives, conversations by candlelight are especially useful to us not only candles, but also batteries, inverters and
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lanterns together we believe in the armed forces of ukraine together we bring our victory closer we will defeat the darkness together we don't just turn off the extra light in our apartments we turn it on where it is most needed we don't just turn off unnecessary appliances we support the operation of the most important equipment me just saving energy we share with those who need it the most turn off the lights turn on the victory rules of a warm country healthy care slightly unironed clothes in trendy this winter thank you for helping to popularize the winning module let's win the winter together for a long time from

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