well, the continuation of distributing this voltage to apartments so that young people can turn on their gas boilers is obviously at the level of households directly, an inverter plus a battery is better than a gel car than an ordinary car, it can also be a solution to the situation if you periodically have electricity and periodically do not have it, then battery the system justifies itself, that is, when you have electricity, you charge this battery, when there is no electricity, you use this inverter in order to power up your devices, while there is i would recommend the inverters that have a built-in charger. that is, you attach this inverter to the battery, and accordingly, when you have current, it charges, when there is no current, it automatically switches to distribution. quite a good solution for such periodic problems, uh , there are problems with this, i can’t buy two batteries for this car, i have a battery in the car, it

sat down, it needs to be changed, i can’t find a normal battery, because the price is on the market well, there is such a hype and everyone bought them despite the fact that, in general, you have to use a gel battery or a left battery with an inverter, because now their price has just gone into space and they are not available . that is, they must be placed in a ventilated room so that the gas that can be released during recharging or overcharging, well, there are nuances, it can be released or light hydrogen peroxide from a car battery or hydrogen during a strong overcharging eh and well, that’s why they are needed keep it outside or in a ventilated room, but in general, if your house is cold and the children are freezing, then you wo n’t think about whether there is gel there or not , or just take whatever is available. well, start your boiler. thank you, mr. svyatoslav svyat pavlyuk, executive director associations of energy-efficient cities of ukraine

, experts on energy efficiency, we also thank you very much and welcome oleksii ryabchyna, deputy minister of energy and environmental protection of ukraine 2019-20 years, let's continue the topic with him, oleksii, we welcome you good afternoon, they announced the main problem of our energy system. they say that the biggest problem is the lack of generation. well, this is due to the fact that many terminals and hydroelectric power stations were damaged or destroyed . at what time is the real situation as we all understand it is a secret during wartime a-a however, i cannot refute the words that will be said by the communications of ukrenergo really we have for each object with generation plants were flown in. every generation facility was affected to one degree or another

. we have thermal stations all over the country that are located along them. there were a lot of flown in. to the dams themselves, yes, because they were built there to survive a nuclear attack , but also to the full-fledged infrastructure that is nearby , and there were no direct e-e shots at our nuclear plants, but those substations that help nuclear plants transmit energy were also damaged, so we have is there a shortage of generating capacity or is it due to other things? is there a shortage of capacity due to the inability to transfer this energy generated to a specific consumer to another ? electricity is such a commodity that must be consumed as much as it is produced , that is, there are problems and as we have been with you for about six months we say we have to survive this winter. it

will be much easier in the future, i just plan for myself if , according to ukrenergo, the main problem is generation, why can't we buy the electricity deficit from our european partners there, our one system the flow of electricity, in principle, there are no problems with this. there are certain problems, technically, they are related to the fact that this energy can be transferred from the european union, for example, yes, it is possible to the regions of ukraine. there is a border problem, how this electricity will go further, will it reach specific countries? specific consumers due to the fact that it is destroyed and will damage the transmission of power. the second problem is the price of this veterinary medicine, which is more expensive than in ukraine, and the cost price is why negotiations are underway, and in his address, president zelensky recently speaking before the european union i asked to help and facilitate the supply of

electricity if there is such a need, if there is such a request, or is it even possible when there are such requests, including electricity from the european union may be needed in order to help get out of certain blackouts , that is, turning off electricity in ukraine and, well , the breakdown of this single power system, which we are currently trying to keep in certain such isolated regions in order to restart the operation of our generation, which can go out in an emergency restart e.e. about the station, it also needs electricity first, as er. colleague sviatoslava koroliuk told me. yes , the car has a battery and a generator. in order to start the car, you must have primary energy, then the generator already generates er. this electricity, too. and with

our objects they must be a recovery and if there is a blackout in ukraine, then the energy from the european union will help us restore the system we have. and what will be the difference in price? that is, we can also raise the price of own electricity in order to equalize with european electricity, then it will be easier to buy european electricity. and we currently have a moratorium on increasing prices for communal services, but i am sure that after the end of this moratorium, e-e approaches pricing in ukraine and will review heat and gas for electricity and that's it. well , we'll talk about that after the victory. now the task is to survive. now the task is to survive the winter . and what will be the tariff system, how will we equalize with the european ones? that's it.

i really want to discuss this with you. this is a very political topic, and i am sure that after the victory we will have enough politics, we are a democratic country, we will find a consensus , find a correctness , a fair solution, please, this distribution and what to prepare for next in which regions will be the most difficult? well, i don't have electricity right now, for example. i'm in kyiv . and this power equipment that is around kyiv and there are difficulties with the transmission of electricity in the capital is the same problem in the region in

kyiv, what is the general message there of my friends who live in regions from two to three, there is no light, kyiv is also associated with problems not only the transformer the fact that the test that lived as physically kyiv eh also work or do not work or work at half we cannot say about another region we had significant attacks of destruction in odessa in the odesa region we have a problem with dnipropetrovsk oblast because there is a need for significant industrial capacity and if possible there are users there, people, yes, the question of industry is very critical and difficult. i will profit from other regions and if a transformer is damaged, then the whole

region may be left without an answer, this is precisely the goal of the russian federation, we will be ready for this. i think that when you and i started talking about this back in the summer, well, a lot people caught these signals. that's why now we can talk about the means, how people have plan a plan b plan b people have certain equipment, we have points of indomitability there with grief in half, somewhere you are working on it, well they are working, people know that they can always recharge, we will definitely survive, we will definitely survive this difficult winter, we will win, uh, now we need to invest our time, inspiration, money, in order to provide ourselves with the minimum comfort, uh, which only maybe, in these terrible conditions , i will prevail. i calculated a little, that's all same still, i want to know about the price, which is there in neighboring poland, for example, electricity on average in the country costs 0.4 zlotys per kilowatt plus 0.3 zlotys for its delivery

, together with 0.7 zlotys per kilowatt. well, if we take your current exchange rate somewhere around 8 : uah 38 per zloty so this 1 kw 0.7 zlotys comes out to uah 5.87 per kw for our money, if we take the polish price, but this is actually well, what is the business that produces this electricity now paying, well, on generators now, i understood the truth correctly you know pricing can be approached in different ways and even more so, electricity is such a commodity or you buy it in bulk there, there may be a discount. that is, it is already a debatable question that in the european union people pay more for electricity and for heat and for gas - it is a fact that there are markets there which respond to demand and supply, we now have morning conditions. well, it is impossible because of the market, for example, you want to take care of the vulnerable consumer and pay the subsidy or make it

more targeted, and this is the right, right way, as you can now determine where is your consumer located, is he in ukraine or abroad, that is, if it is from electricity, it is more or less simply because there is a meter, yes, with heat. when heat is supplied to the house, yes, it is much more difficult there, too to make this calculation , this billing, that is, there are a huge number of problems that are solved in the region, now it is already combined with the ministry of infrastructure and regions and the ministry of energy, that is, our people's deputies also worked on these calculations, in general, mother say and discuss now about the design of our power system after the victory. because our system is centralized. there are pros and cons. the world is moving towards decentralized power systems. such generators are better. solar panels with

storage devices are better. centralized there, conditionally, every tesla is part of the power system, and when it is charged at night, when there is a deficit, you can sell it from your tesla, which is parked somewhere in your garage, but is connected to the network electricity to other regions and receive income for it, we will definitely get there, innovations will allow all this, but once again, after the war, not everyone has ipads. the prime minister says that the russians' goal is precisely to the holiday was dark, so they want there, they like some kind of symbolism, what should ukrainians practically prepare for, and do you not allow partially possible evacuation from the

capital from the capital region ? the fact that my ipad has a tesla and i also don’t have a tesla, but we talk about what we have, we have to get to it, sometimes now a lot of people have bought these eco-flow or different storage devices and they help to survive two four six, sometimes it helps more, if it doesn’t last a week, then not anymore will be and now it is not known what is better to drive on ordinary internal combustion or on or on a battery, i would discuss electric mobility with pleasure, it is my favorite topic but yes, let's think about what will happen next with these and these storage devices yes sell them when you bought them for a high price, then no one will sell them for a low price. and they will be. this system is called

demand management, when in western countries you can. well, the company can call to create, you can suspend this signature for half an hour, because i have under generation, i will pay you for it and i caught companies thinking, oh, it’s normal, and for half an hour, i’ll just turn it off, and it’s more profitable for the state, instead of launching an additional unit, this is demand management, this is a normal situation, we’ll get there, the technical solution is that’s why tesla and power bank and the enterprise will be part of such and such a system and we have it. and what did he want to do with the word er, commenting on the words already in the prime minister, we really see the periodicity with which russia raids ukraine on our energy facilities and the next period is like this you know, somewhere for two weeks, somewhere there , 10-14-15 days, they go, they can fall on christmas holidays on new year's, we see that there is nothing worldly in russia, that's why they really want to show the population itself

and the entire army what you see in us no success at the front. well, ukrainians they celebrate the new year by candlelight, well, let 's celebrate it, it's okay, we'll win again. i think that everyone has such a mood without light, because everyone says that comfortable is better without light and hands-free, so it's to blame, it's difficult without heating . there is no other choice. we believe in the request and we see that we can receive additional ones that will protect our facilities even more. they are just doing, well, these sofas are innovations. they are going to, i don’t know what they send us, they are doing something that no one has ever done. that is, it’s just, well, these are feats of victory. they are trying to give the ukrainians

at least two to four to six hours of e- there will be light and heat at home in these conditions, we will put it out , we will win, we will rebuild. everything will be fine . there eco-flow is one and a half or two times more expensive than it is sold in neighboring poland. why do certain market laws work here when there is a shortage and there is a desire of people to do this and we have seen the same behavior with gasoline when the government even tried to intervene and the administration made efforts to react to the price, it did not work, it turned out to be even more of a deficit. yes, when they completely let go, they adjusted themselves, now there is no queue for gasoline or diesel, although the price is high and

the market reacted and there is a new equilibrium point people drive less, or use the subway there, or do carshirin, yes, they take one car and get to work in four. in other words, how does the market react in the same way, and here it would be a failure, for example, with these batteries. and now they are on the market. well, i recently visited one of of construction supermarkets i see there just from these boxes the price of course there is no shortage what will happen next everyone will bring these scarce goods here they will be given to everyone for the new year i think so and then the price price decline will be adjusted further well i got drunk for a big the price. what will you do next after the victory or after they fix it, when you don't need it, that's why there are certain relations. unfortunately, we are now a premium market for our neighbors, and for other countries, this is such a premium market, this is when you can

make money from us. unfortunately, this war is like that, it's like that, hmm, i'll say it again , we'll rebuild, we'll win, you're standing, everything will be fine. now i know what you can give mrs. valevska for new year's and for christmas. you can give her a charged battery, not just a battery or a general. well, this already premium there will be a gift, thank you very much mr. oleksiy , maybe mr. oleksiiovych is still with us or not, but please, at the very end, practical recommendations for our ukrainians, well, for all of us, what to do if we prepare, because we are already here and tarologists, this is how we quote it, and we want everything- so that professional people comment on such complex things in fact. well, you know, i can repeat myself. well, in the six months when i communicate with you with other tv channels, um, this is a question

. among of journalists, it seems to me that all these e-e advices are already being implemented, people have a plan, a plan b of the planet, that is, they understand that if something happens, they have thought it through to the extreme, do they have any relatives in the village or in another region where this is not the case the problem is, can they send the children there, will they survive from the power, do they turn off the heating in them, is it centralized or is it not gas, and then it’s inconvenient, people have already thought about back-up generation or is it how to specify the delivery the hatch is so homemade made from a battery with inverter well here 100% safety measures are absolutely necessary. this is the first thing to talk about. this morning, i read that a generator exploded in one of the districts, so you need to know what you are doing. read these professional safety tips again. you can buy ready-made solutions. they are

expensive, but they are provided. the generator exploded, what are the reasons why it can explode safety equipment safety equipment here it exploded, the reason is not written, generators can be placed in places where these vapors can concentrate and they can explode, it can be simply technical a malfunction may be that people fell asleep and were certain that there were problems with this, we constantly see gas cylinders and stoves, such tourist burners, which people buy in order to cook food and heat tea , that is, safety equipment, for sure what i am trying to do now, dear ukrainians to inform those who can hear me, well, take care of safety equipment, if you have already taken care of your own safety, about the energy safety of your home or

the dequalification of certain things, think again about safety, that's why thank you svyatoslav pavlyuk, this is exactly the center of attention oleksiy ryabchyn, deputy minister of energy and environmental protection of ukraine in 2019-20, joined our broadcast. well, let us remind you that prime minister denys shmygalnyk said that by the new year, the russians want to leave ukrainians without electricity, for them it is important that christmas and new year the year of ukraine passed in darkness, darkness, so we have to prepare for new attacks, said the prime minister well, we already have our next guest, vadim vasyutynskyi, a social psychologist, can we hear mr. vadim already? good morning. good morning. topic and let's start, the main goal is, after all, a psychological influence, so the oppression of ukrainians is what i want to achieve, russia and for us to morally capitulate capitulate let's say how to

endure these long er-e plekauts lack of light when people there sit for a day without light and keep a cold mind well to actually keep a cool mind this is probably the most important trait that is very desirable in this situation and er, well, the problem in the psychological field is that the situation with light and water with these various benefits of ours is very changeable so hardly anyone can to brag that they appear and turn on the lights regularly exactly according to the schedule, it is unlikely, and this is very uh, it would be much easier to adapt if we clearly knew what we can count on. options for how to live in certain conditions, to predict that the lights can be turned off. here in half an hour or in 3 hours, will there be light all day for all these possible

options, you need to have, well, such options of behavior, what to do, what can be postponed, what to do first, what to do when light, what to do, what to do when there is no light, well, the same with water, too, well, it is clear that it is much easier for young energetic people to do it, they can tell themselves, yes , applying water is elementary for people who need care, it is more difficult for them, and therefore those people who do not have such constant, reliable care they have to think about it, that is, where to turn , who to turn to and with whom to negotiate, whom to ask well, i live in an apartment building, for example, there are 3-4 apartments there, uh, where there are quite a lot of elderly people there helpless well, somehow neighbors agree among themselves in principle, for sure, this is one of the options for how to feel better and more confident when you take care of yourself, take care of your family, and the next step should be and look around you, well, neighbors, relatives, those who are near you and who is possible as in

a different situation and whom you can help , because in principle the best in difficult situations is to support and encourage a person, it is when she not only takes care of herself, but when she can also take care of someone else, that's when it adds such confidence, mr. volodymy in general, well, many people are in this situation. it just seems to me that they are too fixated on this issue, when the war will end, when the chaos will end, when there will be light. when there will be victory, and it seems to me that they are also there, they communicate with their relatives and friends every day, every day, every day, every day, the same questions . i say listen, let the situation go, think about something else, don't think constantly, will they really attack, this is the situation with many unknowns in front of us, no one knows, only the lord god if he is then he knows, nobody knows, even putin doesn't know, nobody knows what will happen next, and that's why

you torture yourself with these constant thoughts about what will happen next, it's not worth it, it doesn't mean that you don't have to think about it at all, you have to think about it. well, let's say that maybe 10 % of our thoughts about our life is no more, but i immediately have the fact that there is a lot of different information optimistically optimistic and they say that two more weeks, you say two more years, etc. understand all this information, we need to learn and be able to perceive it assertively, i am like that the term of psychology, i.e., to rush into the extreme neither in extreme optimism nor in extreme pessimism what is bad extreme optimism that everything will be fine and already by the new year the war is over, it is bad because we are not even a few days that we are thinking about what we are counting on and nothing for the better it changes and then it is then the person falls even more out of reluctance extreme pessimism or is he bad

because he is just out of disarmament the person just gives up and does nothing miracles very bad that is why you have to choose this some such some such an average average option and we like some information very much when you are there watching on tv a person says peace to us things and we say oh well done well done how good i will always be him now whose to believe then you don't have to do that you have to listen you have to say well done it's very interesting but but i i will give a little bit of such small backlash to the fact that it might not be so good and tells the story and vice versa. when everything is very bad, you can also listen. i want to. to ask, also to know, but always in this to look for some such small, well, well, a ray of hope, what are you actually carrying so badly , you see that journalists, because we have the most information from them, when they provide information, they expect it to be true. they

still inevitably emphasize this information because that when they have to prepare for something good, they show, see how wonderful it is, when something is bad, see how everything is terrible and that's right, that's their job, they have to arouse people's interest in this information but people themselves must learn to be able to perceive it in a restrained and balanced way, well, not without throwing, without throwing into extreme emotions but i will say yes, i am a psychologist, it is easy to say because it is an obvious thing for me, and people are terribly different and really people are emotionally balanced and calm, but there are people like my advice won't help at all because they don't know how to live like that, they only know how to live on the so-called emotional see-saw, rushing here and there and here and there. this is probably the most problematic group of people who have the hardest time. it is important to adjust one's behavior and one's emotional state, then please tell me how much time people should devote to

consuming information about the war in general. because it seems to me that this is also a problem when people read something from morning to night, look for answers to the questions we talked about they are looking for them, but they don't find them every day, but every day they get on the internet that every day someone turns on the tv, turns it on and listens and listens, how long does it take , are there any restrictions or not? i continue your point, and when he has to fall out of this information environment somewhere, it seems to me that they cannot find their place because it seems to me that something very important has been missed, it is so purely neurotic, this approach is of course not useful at all exactly how much i think 15-20 maximum 30 minutes in the morning and half an hour to an hour in the evening, among those some people who are busy during the day and have videos of people can afford a little more, but this consumption should not be only consumption you can watch political news, you can watch a movie, you can

watch a concert there, watch the selection for eurovision, some other such things , that is, you have to dilute it, because if you sit in the news all the time, it's just driving yourself , such a deep military-political neurosis. i said. and many people say that even the light it is possible to survive its absence for some time, but there is no connection, this is the biggest problem, it can also be recorded in the neuroses, it is definitely a modern neurosis when we are all in this information space, we are this we live, you understand, we become, as it were , an appendix to information, to information for us , and we to information, because we have to consume it, and when a modern person, especially young people, they have grown up in this, they have already transformed. when a person falls out of this information flow , he does not find a place for himself. because once upon a time people lived without light at all, without electricity , without television, they found something to do in the long winter evenings there, people did something, talked, did something, told fairy tales, sang, and we don't know how to do that

because we receive all of this, here is the tv from the internet, that when and when this connection is broken, it is like this, well, it is such a simple psychological trauma for each of us, for me too. by the way, i can handle it sometimes. i am already an elderly person and i can to amuse yourself with something when when there is no internet thank you vadim vasyutinsky socio-psychologist was in touch really just a hundred years ago 150 years ago okay, there was no light, no internet, no internet, no gas in the apartments