a certain phase, kirby says, this is a good opportunity for both leaders to meet face to face and talk. we will see what consequences this meeting will lead to . another next package of military aid for ukraine was announced, and previously the media reported that the package of this aid may include patriot anti-aircraft missile complexes, which kyiv has actually been asking the united states for a long time ago there was no political will or some other will or for other reasons. well, we will see. well, in the meantime, pavlo klimkin, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine for 14-19 years, has already joined us, but already by phone due to communication problems, nevertheless we i am glad to welcome you, mr. klimkin. good evening. it

seems to me that we will not be able to talk by phone, can mr. klimkin hear me, 14-19 years old, unfortunately, due to communication problems, we cannot do it quickly. i will remind you once again that after as it became known that volodymyr zelenskyi is going to fly to washington, by the way, he flew there via the polish city of przemyśl and then flew from the city of rzeszów to washington, this was reported by the polish media, after which joe biden made a statement that he had to discuss a lot of issues during the meeting with volodymyr zelenskyi. pavlo klimkin joined the of our broadcast finally i think good evening good evening on the third attempt, but we are glad to welcome you mr. klimkin, the diplomats with whom i already spoke today call volodymyr zelenskyi's visit to washington well, if not the most important event of the day, more precisely, not the most important event of the day, the most important event of

the year well, maybe it is like that for diplomats, it is a really important event, but what do you say , what is the meaning of this visit, the meaning is really very, very important, because for me the most important thing that we have to take away from this visit is the american invitation of the american administration and biden personally, and this is in a non -political language, that is, when translated from diplomatic to normal language, it means that the american administration, but especially biden. personally, i emphasize personally ready to contribute to the support of ukraine. this is exactly how they

understand it in europe. ready to do more, including not only quantitatively, but also qualitatively, so i am 100% sure that we will not stop and we will remain a leader, this value is absolutely critical in my opinion, but you said that this visit shows that the united states is ready, as you say, to put in to the victory of ukraine a-a let's see what specific results you expect from this meeting . i, er, expect, first of all, not the numbers that will be announced at the press conference or will not be announced, and the new military aid package, from what i hear from washington, this will be an announcement about the delivery of the system of hinges. and

for several other things, it is very important to me that we have such an opportunity to plan the strategy in the future, we have a new stage of the war where russia is trying to destroy our entire infrastructure and not only cover hostilities against people is a new stage and we have to talk with the americans not only about military support although it is absolutely critical not only about financial support and about how to ensure our stability and when we see that the modern strategy of the west consists of without a strategy of thousands of passes in relation to to the russian regime, we need them to come faster and they were deeper, this is exactly what we need to talk about behind closed doors with

biden, this is the main story in my opinion, and not even the specific results that we will hear at the press conference, this is an understanding of how we win, and americans who remember history well immediately had an analogy or illusion with churchill's visit to washington, where he met with roosevelt there, and if he is wrong, it was also the end of december, december 22 , 41 year, when cherchil came and they talked and what is victory's strategy really for me this visit and all that will happen is this and what is victory's strategy here is this result we may not hear it with you in a couple of hours maybe we won't hear it in a couple of days but the invitation of the americans is simply not interesting, what strategy, what strategy, the

victory you say will be discussed, let’s say this is the main idea for me of this visit, this is also what i spoke with your fellow diplomats and i was told that they assumed more precisely what volodymyr zelenskyi will probably also raise the question of recognition of russia as a state sponsor of terrorism and along with that, today the american media wrote about the fact that congress is allegedly working on a bill that will simply call russia an aggressor state but not recognize it a state sponsor of terrorism. please tell me whether it has or is or is it essential or not a change of concepts and whether it is important for ukraine who the united states recognizes russia at this stage and it is extremely important and it is better my odesa friends большие разница i.e. recognition of russia as an aggressor state

is definitely a positive thing, it is a step forward, it is the possibility of lifting new sanctions, it is an acceleration and increase in aid, that is, many positive stories, but the americans are first and foremost the white house. now, as i see it, no they want to go the way of recognizing russia as a state sponsor of terrorism, and the reasons are completely clear, first of all, they imagine that this is vat, all contacts with russia and you are not only on the issue of ukraine, they understand very well that it is not just to recognize eh putin and the russian regime are criminals, and to say that you are all couples, we have finally leveled you to the end of inna and this is your

place, and this means not just showing putin in his place, but putting him in his place, and the second moment that the americans understand that then any further contacts, again, and on our issue, negotiations are possible, which can take place, of course, not under modern conditions, because now putin does not want any real negotiations and is not ready for them, then in principle they are impossible, and this stops them from recognizing russia as a state sponsor terrorism is what we would like and what we all lack, but not now. did i understand correctly? people, i do not rule out that the americans will come to this. i see a shift in this issue, not yet radical, but in the middle administration, such discussions are going on, such

discussions are also going on in london, they are moving forward, but so far very, very slowly, because the administration is not ready for anything today, something happened with us again with the connection but i think that mr. klimkin 's opinion was understood. of ukrainian affairs 14th 19th year well, i remind you that today volodymyr zelenskyi is meeting with the american president joe biden, as the american media wrote, volodymyr zelenskyi will spend a partial day in washington and literally in the evening according to the american radio svoboda will return to ukraine in time, radio liberty will monitor the progress of this meeting and we will promptly inform you about what will happen in washington that day and with what results and what consequences for

ukraine this meeting will end. aid that ukraine will receive as a result of this meeting, well, to begin with, or rather, before we start discussing this topic, i suggest you watch a report from the village of velika novosilka, this is the donetsk region, at the beginning of the full-scale russian invasion , more than 5,000 people lived in this village, but now there are only about one thousand. this settlement through the zaporizhia region became one of the directions where the russian troops tried to break through to pavlograd, this is already the dnipropetrovsk region, and in this way they wanted to surround the ukrainian army on in donbas , active hostilities are currently taking place near the settlement in some parts of the town, the distance from the contact line is 1.5 km. imagine 1.5 km. radio svoboda report from the big novosilky, look further, the technique and what. and if only the ticks wanted to be closed on this side, well

, something went wrong, and it's nice. welcome, the novice should listen. if suddenly something starts to fall to the right, quickly to the left . right well, it was necessary to listen before your arrival here, well, a few of them come in good ones there further there this we will tell the rat if you move further there to the store you will see where it will come in the city can move out i have a child two two children a girl my boy well girls, 25, she's pregnant now, she lives in the old komar, it's right here, 18 km away, here's her apartment, but it's already from here. well, at least there's

light there, and she sent her son there. what can she do , study, even just a little bit ? we decided, we decided, we were going to go, they promised to take us out, well, even if we don't come, we are going to leave, but for now we don't get it. i worked at this school, i got a job at the school, the job was not bad, they earned everything , and then, as if from the war, he was left without a job, the school was bombed, everything was bombed left beggars, we will be part of it after 1/4 of the money, we will rotate it, but we will call it. as possible, it is not very close. how many kilos is it? 122 mm. the minimum sound is 1.5 km. the line is where they are. here

we are in such an area of ​​the great novosilka , where the enemy is 1.5 km away. the dragons beat well, the old woman, honestly, well, i even exchanged 10 m2 of glass in one hole, you are such a hand of mine, you ca n’t make a hail like that at all. and he completely destroyed my house. this is one of the most hot spots of the war, because the lily of the front is located not quite in line with the garden the little city is completely broken 9 10 months ago here is going on 10 months ago a terrible war is going on, however, there is a lot of

love sitting in the basements in the shelters we don't accept the fire department anymore, here we give out products and again, of course, it's not bad to see. no, only two times today, the windows pecked everything. go to the children. how many people do you have here? 43 people are taking 19 years to charge. phone batteries, people judge, come to charge twice a day, in the morning, in the evening. well, this

varvara said that 1,000. well, visually. she 's an old woman. that's it. what kind of military school is there? loka brings you to school too, and we look after them and run home. there are also neighbors' dogs and cats. they're to blame for being abandoned by the banks. i forgot, well, seven dogs and 13 neighbor's cats were killed. it's european. условии ето самое де нис ету president

zelenskyi to the united states of america washington must officially announce additional aid for ukraine in the amount of 1.8 billion dollars this is reported by the american media, in particular, the cnn channel with reference to its sources, according to the report and what else is here press and the washington post, the new aid package will include patriot anti-aircraft missile complexes worth $2 billion and high-precision guided missiles for fighters on the transfer of patriots kyiv is negotiating for several months now, why the ukrainian military is so eager to adopt these systems, radio liberty explains, the patriot system is considered one of the most reliable anti

- missile defense systems in service with the us army. the complex can protect aircraft and drones from tactical ballistic and cruise missiles for the first time patriot complexes were used during operation desert storm in 1991, then the system was criticized for that it could not intercept one of the iraqi missiles fired at the american barracks, but since then the anti-aircraft missile system has undergone many modernizations. and the improvement plan is developed at least until 2048, the manufacturing company assures the operational range of the most modern modification is up to 160 km, one battery includes eight launchers, their total cost is about 1 billion dollars, the cost of launching one missile, according to the center for strategic and international studies, can reach $4 million; despite all the advantages

of the system, it can be used to shoot down drones the rockets with which the russian military attacks the civilian infrastructure of ukraine are ineffective , the experts of the kremlin center have already reacted to the alleged supply of the patriot mirror to ukraine, the deputy head of the security council of the russian federation, dmytro medveev, said that the complexes will become a legitimate target for the russian military, the press secretary of the pentagon, petrahedr, noted in response that the united states does not will allow russia to dictate what military aid to give to ukraine, today these complexes are in service with 16 countries of the world, including germany, sweden, spain, israel and romania maksym hrabovskyi radio svoboda well, now more details about the military aid that ukraine can receive after

zelensky's current visit to the united states, what significance this aid will have for strengthening ukrainian positions, and what kyiv hopes for, my colleague sofia sereda spoke with the spokesman of the air force command of the ukrainian armed forces, yuriy ignat as early as november 30, the pentagon emphasized that the united states was not yet ready to provide patriot air defense systems for ukraine, but last month we heard that the white house announced a new package of military aid, which in particular includes these anti-aircraft missile complexes , why do you think the usa changed its position on this issue so quickly and what was possibly decisive that they nevertheless decided to transfer these anti-aircraft missile systems to ukraine without fail we welcome this decision it is a very necessary thing for ukraine because he is a patriot. he has long been dreamed of in our e-e strategy for the further development of the air force, which would be described in a visa until 2035, long before the

war of the command of the air force e military the council made these decisions not only about foreign multi-purpose planes, but also about these complexes, whether it was the e sumpti or the patriot, which could become the powerful combat force of the air force, together with the iris and nasans, what exactly it became clear that the aggravation of the situation is clear that there are air threats uh, because not only cruise missiles that are now buying us and uh uavs of various types and threatens today day and there should be some kind of safeguards against this very weapon, uh, precisely the trained aviation of petriv, this is a long-range weapon that can hit its targets at a distance of aeropolistic targets at a distance of up to 150 km, and this is a completely

different story, because today we have s3 complexes, that is 75 km on samsung eh and iris is 40 well, just like buk - 35 km, well , about us iris, it is clear that there are not so many of these systems, there are very few of them in ukraine so far, if petriv will supplement everything that we have well, at least not not by a large amount, it is clear that we will not receive many of these systems at once, but this will significantly strengthen our pre-war defense and it will help to create the echeloned military defense we have dreamed of, starting with such ground-based physicists and ending with the patriots themselves or such complexes as myself in those that i am armed with in france and italy for how long may pass from the official announcement by the white house of this decision to transfer these anti-aircraft missile systems to the patriots to the moment when they begin to be directly used here during this war a very difficult question but we have the experience of the same ones at sams and airist, where

our specialists were trained for several weeks at these complexes. i mean airist and nasambs are western-style complexes, they are still quite modern , a lot is automated, there is already a lot of discarded human factor. not in the end, they will retrain for this complex , it is not such a big problem, everything takes a certain amount of time, so far it is not known how much it will be and where they will be trained. well, our specialists have these complexes in mind, petriv, but i think that the training will be accelerated program, and it will not be a big problem for our e-e servicemen to retrain on this complex correctly. i understand you that the supply of these systems will be directly related to how quickly the military will be able to master them, and only after that they will be transferred to ukraine, everything depends on the decision of the american government, because we are ready to take quite a lot of everything that they

can offer us, then ukraine in the means of proto-military defense is quite large, ukraine is the largest in europe the length of the borders, the front line means more than 2,000 km, to cover the entire territory of ukraine even if they give us everything they can . we also cannot do it today with the existing air forces, we have air defense means, so that the mobile aircraft, the winning groups, cover the more threatening directions, individual strategic objects, objects critical infrastructure, however, the existing means, unfortunately, are not enough to cover this territory of ukraine with such an iron fence, like israel, it is a small country there, it is easier for them therefore, we need to do as much as possible. well, not only patriot, but to strengthen work to provide ukraine with such systems as nassom. it is clear that

it will not be possible to get iris immediately and quickly , because german industry only produced this complex. it is the latest for ukraine. and will increase this production, well , it is a matter of years, yes. but we could already become the complex that could gradually replace such complexes as the letter m1, how the transfer of patriot systems can affect the course of the war. we will need to increase these complexes, well, in certain directions, where you will be determined by the higher military leadership and the patriot, if there is one e-e battery - this is in addition to the vehicles for providing transport charging command post and radar - this is about eight to eight epu resolution, each of which has four launch containers yes it is clear that it can already be overturned if the range is up to 150, that which part of the front can be approximately covered by this complex is it close to the borders is it already inside the

state eh these complexes could in certain directions help drive away the russian aviation away from our borders, namely bombers such as the 22m3 here, let's say, the crews of the enemy's tactical aviation, which threaten us in different directions, both in the east and in the south. well, the decision of where exactly this system will be deployed is not deployed and where it will conduct combat work is clear what will the top military leadership decide, in addition to military aid in the form of patriot systems, a number of american publications claim that this package will also include special military electronic equipment, which, as i quote, can transform unmanned aircraft ammunition for smart bombs, first of all, i wanted to ask you if you could explain what smart bombs are and how it can technologically affect the course of the war, a free-fall bomb is, well, these are the bombs of the second world war. yes, the plane is supposed to fly over the

city, as it were, let's say syria, and when the invaders, the russian barbarians destroyed the syrian su-24m planes, that’s how they did it, and that’s because, as i mentioned, izyum and mariupol. yes, there was no longer any of our air defense there. yes, there were only people armed with portable anti-aircraft missile kits . which can't reach planes that fly above six thousand meters, that's actually there , and they just use free- fall bombs of 100-250, 500 kg, which actually rub up to the ground, a smart bomb, that's a completely different type of ammunition, that's a high-precision weapon that flies clearly in this one, which can be launched from afar, that is, from a long distance, without even entering the zone of damage of enemy anti-aircraft fire, well, this is actually a war of technologies today, according to the data of the political publication, the ukrainian delegation headed by volodymyr zelenskyi will also

to ask the american authorities to provide attack systems for ukraine. in your opinion, is the united states ready now to make such a decision and transfer such military aid to ukraine ? the united states is our main ally and partner, which supports it with all types of weapons . we started with javelins and other systems of stings, we already have powerful systems of reactive e-e means e-e reactivity of salvo fire. we also have harm missiles that today hit e with our fighters against the enemy's anti-aircraft means, well, it would be logical. i think that ukraine has the right to defend itself, it has the right to liberate its territories , and in order to do this, we need weapons , long-range weapons that are not only capable of even destroying them there, but it will be a deterrent for the aggressor. what well will already make

certain adjustments and will not be able to carry out such terror. well, it is also clear that in addition to attacks, other means are also needed that could significantly strengthen our air defense and air defense, and we are also talking about planes, because without aviation, a powerful aviation component, which the air force really needs today, this is the replacement of the old fleet of detailed aircraft, which we had, the last aircraft that was updated in them, i want to remind you that in 1991, this is the su-27 that the air force received today in fact, this is all the soviet soviet fighter jets, the virgin stormtroopers , they are already morally obsolete, in fact , and are significantly inferior to the russian analogue, so the question of providing ukraine with a multi-purpose aircraft such as, say, the r16 and with a large range of weapons against ground and air targets, this could significantly

change the situation, because they can really hit cruise missiles and missiles and have long-armed weapons, let's say, which can also threaten e-e on long approaches, but actually this is also very necessary for of ukraine today, i think that this will also be discussed, perhaps we will monitor the progress of volodymyr zelenskyi's visit to the united states and promptly inform you about it so as not to miss anything, i urge you once again to subscribe to the pages radio svoboda on social networks instagram telegram facebook twitter well, and on two channels on youtube, radio svoboda and radio svoboda of ukraine well, an operational update on the website of radio svoboda, until the next meetings , we will listen to people suffering from rheumatism and arthrosis of the joints, it is so piercing, it is

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