shot down in the 1970s, and as well as airplanes, which are eventually operated today by specialists, specialists who are twice as young as this technique, in fact, airisty nasans petriv, these will become the main means of air defense, which will work even in peacetime, work on ukrainian western protection of the ukrainian sky that is why this is still happening today, it is such a reserve for the future, so we will already have these complexes gradually replacing the soviet systems, our military is doing simply fantastic things when they protect our sky however, we need to actually learn to use these patriots. and they say that it will take 2-3 months to train the ukrainian military to work on anti-aircraft missile systems. cnn writes about this with reference to sources in the pentagon .

maybe you can tell me something, maybe the ukrainian military is already undergoing some kind of training. well, some experts are already conducting a consultation. well, it is clear that the day before, they were conducting a consultation on this matter. well, what do you think, two or three months is a little or a lot i think that it is not so much, because the complex is really a serious complex , extremely expensive. and here it was not even in the high price, but in the scarcity of this weapon, how many countries in the world have such complexes, as it stands today, at least in a small amount, but we will replenish them, this aris and himself is actually a patriot who can come to us already, we will not have many children at times. that is why we really need preparation, you cannot just take it from scratch, use an analogy how was it with agris from samsung, specialists were selected from among the best commander of the air force, lieutenant general mykola leshchuk

, yes, he had a list, he approved it, and the specialists were sent for training, these were young guys, graduates of the kharkiv air force university, who already had a new experience and, accordingly, knowledge of the english language. this was also taken into account who in a few weeks completed this training in european countries . patriot yes, it is necessary. maybe a little more time, but people will go not from scratch, people who really already have a certain mastery of technical sciences and technical knowledge that are needed for the operation of these e - complexes will go. apparently, the training period is shortened because the program and the europeans, well , in general, the nato countries, which are very meticulous about this training, it is much more than 2-3 months ago, if they study even in two , then i think it will be satisfactory a good result and during that time we may still

be able to increase the potential somewhere. perhaps we will be given a certain complex and one more at the end. i will add at the end that the proposal, yes , the president, speaking in the u.s. at night, so today in the u.s. congress, he said that we ukrainians should master for our soldiers in the end well, it's not so difficult western equipment we saw this on the example of himers and other systems uh, we can also master tanks we can also planes and then after the word planes the whole contrast in the composition began to applaud well you see what planes too not far away. perhaps that is why we should hope that there is indeed a solution that ukraine really needs , the transfer of aircraft, many target fighters, we need it extremely at that time of the

armed forces of ukraine. notice, i'm not talking about f16 now, what could it mean, this clarification seemed a bit confusing to me, and i didn't quite understand it. maybe you can tell me how to interpret it correctly. well, maybe he was saying for a certain target audience, what kind of things, well, but actually well, this is also possible, he said so, and i’m not saying this about f16 , maybe with such an accent. troops but the f16 or other planes there. yes, it is an extremely powerful thing that can hit targets quite far away and support the ground operations of the ground troops, and the r16 or other planes can become, they cannot become, and they are part of air

defense because they are on combat duty as well as our mussels would carry it like that today in such a system, they are also capable of being a defensive weapon, that is, not a weapon, there is an attack weapon, a defense weapon, to protect the airspace of launched missiles and drones, including that . i'm not talking about the f16 because, well, the f16 is really, well, if we have it, our pilots are really waiting for it, who dream of getting such planes for the armed forces, i'll just add that the main thing to start now is that the bundestag will appeal to the german government with with a request to provide ukraine with patriots in the pak-2 modification, because literally in a few years their service life will expire, and in ukraine they can still serve, in germany they can simply be written off, in which case it is a good initiative, it talks about ideas about leopards and about

bmp corresponding german ones we will be waiting for you, mr. yuriy, always for your service and for your involvement yuriy ignatrechnyk of the air force command of the armed forces of ukraine, and about important international statements , we will talk further with oleksiy honcharenko people's deputy of ukraine is already in touch with us, congratulations glory to ukraine glory to the heroes so, during his speech before the us congress, the president of ukraine volodymyr zelensky called for continued financial assistance to ukraine from the united states, increased sanctions against russia and bringing the aggressors to justice, and also noted that ukraine states and europe have already defeated russia in their common consciousness, and actually, to begin with, let's analyze the president's trip to the united states. what can you say why it is important and why this the meeting is called such a symbolic one of the historical meetings, it is

historic because, firstly, it is the first visit of the president of ukraine abroad since the russian invasion, secondly, it is washington and, indeed, it is the biggest ally of ukraine, both from the point of view of military aid and from the point of view of financial aid and for this we are very grateful and it is obvious that the usa is a key partner for us in the future, that is, for our final victory over the russian federation we need the support of the usa, it is simply vital it is necessary for us. i think that is why the president left when the 117th congress ends its work on january 1, the next 118th congress of the united states of america will start working there, most of them are changing, so i am sure that the president also had meetings with the leaders of the republicans - this is important for our future e- e work with and support from the united states of america well, he

is coming back with serious military aid. i see that you have already discussed about the patriot. by the way, i am pleased to say that i was the first two weeks ago to report that the united states of america decided to transfer to ukraine yes, and as you can see, it turned out to be a complete justification on its telegram channel on facebook. and i wrote about it. and it really happened, i can even add to you a little bit. or two well, as we can see, unfortunately, a decision has been made so far about one battery, but i hope that it will be for now and then there will be a second and a third because one battery will not be enough, but it is very important that this step has finally been taken well, that's why this is really very important. well, how did they greet the president of ukraine in the congress? and this actually removed him personally. and they greeted all of ukraine, well, this is definitely very, very

important and such a signal in this world, including moscow, which is waiting for everything, which means that someday ukraine will be thrown and they will stop supporting him, these shots that you are showing now show that this will never happen. by the way, you warned that the congressmen are leaving a little and that there may not be many people present at zelensky's speech. really means that i think that on december 21 in the united states congress today only ukraine could gather such a full house because indeed the congressmen and senators had already left and many had already been to washington but as we can see they all returned well not all for sure but most of them returned and were present, and i repeat this once again, only ukraine today could probably gather there. well, even more so, they say that this is a very

important step from the united states, given by these petrovsky citizens, because it seems to open the way to other countries and in therefore, for example, e not only the individual countries of the european union, for example, the weather, what kind of help did these patriots have, because oh-oh-oh, one installation from the united states actually opens up a wide range of possibilities, only i , only you, have to try one battery , because one battery includes from four to eight units, we don't know how many, i hope that our battery will have eight units there are extremely interesting. this is a technology that will allow er to make air bombs that do not differ there in super accuracy or er hmm accuracy in work, we will say. yes,

it will allow to make them really smart and really effective. this technology, in your opinion, can somehow change the balance of forces on the battlefield. well, i think it is better to comment on the military. i don't think the changes are radical, but once again , the military commented that for a radical change in the situation on the battlefield, we need what was voiced by zulzhnyi in an interview with an economist, namely tanks, long-range missiles for squids, more armor and more artillery , and that's it. and i can add to this that combat drones are heavy, they played gra and repair. well, of course, you also

talked about airplanes. i have already heard that. therefore, this is something that can really change the situation in terms of love, and what about cassettes? on the sidelines of a-a, in particular, and in the united states, supposedly, there is this issue, but it is not seriously considered yet. i will simply remind you that when ukraine in march 2008 during the oslo process, the so-called convention on cluster munitions was developed and adopted, the developers opened it for signing in december and this concept came into force in 2010. defines a cluster munition as a conventional munition that contains explosive suppositories weighing less than 20 kg intended for dispersal the united states of the russian federation and ukraine are not signatories to this convention unless i am absolutely mistaken that's right, well, it's not just on the sidelines, it's a request from ukraine to the usa to provide us with all

the cluster munitions, they are just for highmars and we really need them. well, they're just really needed, and russia uses them against us. i personally was under fire russian cluster munitions and we have a full moral right to use them , i am not saying that we are defending ourselves at all and we are not attacking anyone, and we have the legal right, as you rightly said, but this is a political decision to transfer cluster munitions to us as much as possible that in the us they are scheduled for disposal and they have been waiting for disposal for several years, and in fact, it would be best if they let us dispose of them on the heads of the russians, but this is a political decision that can only be taken by president bidet and at the moment he has not taken it i hope that president zelenskyi raised this issue during the meeting with president biden. well, yes, we

will see the results. congress is quite active now. an aggressor country is not a country that sponsors terrorism, although the status of a country that sponsors terrorism has specific legal consequences in the case of the united states, and it would be really cool if the united states did not share this status with it, but this is what a half -measure is an aggressor country, what is it connected with, and what will it be carry with it for the russian federation and for us in principle. look well, so as not to go into any individual details. well, this is an important thing. it is good for everyone to recognize the country as an aggressor. this does not prevent the country of russia from recognizing that the country is a sponsor of terrorism. one does not prevent the other for us. to be honest, it was more important the second time, because it really has specific legal consequences . however, in general, i would say that what

is the problem facing ukraine today, all we will be talking about now is whether to give ukraine cluster munitions or tanks or planes or give long-range missiles to squids or recognize russia and ukraine as a sponsor of terrorism, all of this rests on one thing, which is called the fear of the third world, since it was again at the press conference of biden zelensky, one of the reporters said to biden, why not give ukraine everything it needs, and zelenskyi reacted. what does that mean, it would be a good idea, and biden said because we don’t want the third world, but this all rests on the third world and on the fear of the collapse of russia, and for us it may sound it is strange . but it does not sound strange to them. and they are really afraid of it. that is, i can formulate it so that everyone. well, there, almost everyone in the usa and in europe, except for the marginal ones there, they want

the victory of ukraine, but at the same time, many are afraid of the complete defeat of russia, that is, they want somehow ukraine won that way did not mean the complete defeat of russia and that putin was not cornered in this corner and that he did not use nuclear weapons and that russia did not disintegrate and that did not cause new huge challenges for the light, in fact , it is all very strange, but when putin spoke at the ministry of defense yesterday in russia he said again what it means the west wants to wait for russia well, of course he was so stupid it's just this well that's what he said wait means russia to pieces like that in fact, i will tell you that the west does not want this and the west really wants it to avoid this and putin himself is waiting for russia today with his actions, that's why it's not very clear to us, and in fact, we have to work with the west, explaining that in fact russia is moving towards this, that it is the last colonial empire in europe, that sooner or later

it will happen anyway, it will not not in this form. as it exists today, it will not be preserved, and therefore even trying to help and preserve it is a false policy, but for now, this policy is present and it is it that causes all those things , despite the fact that we are very support without this support would be very difficult for us, but if we were supported today as much as possible, we ended this war in a few months with the complete defeat of russia, and as we can see, they are afraid to go for it. today we have 100,000 dead occupiers, we congratulate you on the anniversary all thanks to god, congratulations and glory to the armed forces of ukraine. tell me, please, mr. oleksiy. and if we had in our hands at once, somewhere in february and march, everything that we have now and even more , and what we so need and we would have quick russia cheated a victory. such losses, in

your opinion, no, that's why you're doing it. neither russia would have had such losses. no, we wouldn't have had such losses. it was a long time ago, and the world economy would not have had such losses. it saved tens of thousands of lives without it. it saved the lives of hundreds of thousands of people who are dying of hunger around the world, it would save a lot of things in the world. and we talked about it today. today i am including you from mykolaiv. i brought here a british delegation of three members of the british parliament, including the head of the group of friendship with ukraine by robert silli, and we met today, including in odesa, with the commanders of the operational command of the south, generals, the hero of ukraine, general kovalchuk, and he told them about this that if this support was there then, we would have ended the war a long time ago, and it would have been absolutely beneficial to everyone in the world, the longer this war drags on, the more suffering ukrainians have, it is clear to russians, too, but these are their problems, but also to

the rest of the world. well, this is a fact. well , we still need everyone to symbolize. maybe in this is the idea of ​​this armed dropper. i would say little by little to turn ukraine, so to speak , into a meat grinder for the russian army . we have already broken its regular army. that's not the point. well, there's no need to immediately look here for someone who wants to do worse to ukraine, not because the actual understanding of the motivation of our partners is the problem in the fears of russia, for many in the world it is a certain constanta, but they even read kissinger's article. -is the last despektion of this he says about it well, what about without russia? well, what about that? well, when did you give? of course it is evil, he says it is evil, but it is evil that has always been and therefore always will be. well

, and they just don’t can understand that the world is moving to the point that it will be a world but without russia, well, without the russian empire. of course , there will be a territory without this people, we, unlike them, do not want to commit genocide and no one wants to do it, but there will be no russian empire. but admit it unfortunately, not everyone at the event today is ready for this the problem is that all criminals must be punished in the end, we will talk about it further with the next guests. and thank you oleksiy honcharenko, people's deputy of ukraine and vice-president of the committee on migration and refugees, he contacted us instead about the special court for putin in particular, we will talk with anton korenevich, lawyer, internationalist, ambassador on special assignment of the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine, we wish you a good day, anton, er, with oleksiy honcharenko, we touched on the topic of why the us congress

resorts to such half-measures as we it seems to the ukrainian side, although you may refute it now, not to recognize russia as a state sponsor of terrorism, but to recognize russia as an aggressor country, and when i understand that just now the ukrainian side is developing an option for a special tribunal to recognize russia as guilty of a crime aggression, it seems to me that these things resonate with each other, that it all makes up a single picture from several puzzles, let's say, our leading partner recognizes russia as an aggressor, the special court recognizes aggression as a crime in itself and accordingly, the responsibility for the russian federation instead, how do you see it? well, you know, the key thing here is that the aggression of the russian federation against ukraine was recognized as its own aggression in the resolution of the un general

assembly in march of this year, this is the most important thing. that is, it gives us grounds to talk about what if on the part of the state of russia, that is, an act of aggression took place, we can also talk about crimes of aggression , that is, that it was carried out on the orders of specific russian officials. obviously, this is the highest level political and military leadership of the russian federation, and that is why we say that in order to ensure responsibility for this aggression, we need a special tribunal that will deal with the issue of the crime of aggression regarding the recognition of the state as an aggressor and aggression in the acts of the parliaments of our partner states, this is absolutely normal and it certainly confirms let's say this general line of general recognition that aggression is yes. that is, we say and when we said and we must necessarily move on to talking about what should be

responsibility for this aggression and there is an understanding of such an epithet regarding the concept of aggression provoked and not provoked, because the russian federation believes that it simply took a step ahead of uh and tries to convince its partners, including our partners , of this provoked, this designation will somehow affect the creation of this special tribunal, and in order for it to condemn the crime of aggression itself, it creates a very important precedent . i think that they will be able to use it with him other countries later, if our case is successful. well, you know, it seems to me that this term is not a provoked aggression, but it is more for use in a general political context, so as to show and give additional emphasis to

the fact that there was no reason for the russian federation to use force against ukraine, you know, it is the same as calling the territory occupied or temporarily occupied, so by adding the adjective temporary, we seem to emphasize that this is a temporary state, although occupation in itself is a temporary state according to international law, so the use of such adjectives. i think it is important precisely in the general political context from the point of view of international law, it is very clearly visible and clear that this is aggression, aggression is the use of armed force by one state against another, contrary to the provisions of the un charter and there are international legal acts which clearly define what aggression is, all that is stated there , the russian federation committed a, that is, whether it was provoked, not provoked , not so important for international law. we have an understanding of the international community that definitely e.e. the russian statement about its use of armed force in self-defense based on

article 51 of the un charter on the right of the state to individual collective self-defense is absolute nonsense and of course no one was going to attack the russian federation because of the general political context - it certainly does not harm the work within the framework of international law, i think that everyone perfectly understands what russian aggression is, do we add certain adjectives to it or not in january 23rd, the members of the european parliament also will vote for the creation of an international special tribunal for dictator putin's russia. kubilius enriscobilis told the former prime minister of lithuania about this and what could such a tribunal look like, what could it be. that is, it turns out that for this it is not necessary to wait for the end of the war and how it can be formed, who will to form it. what should it look like? well, we are grateful to

the address and other parliamentarians to colleagues from other organizations who support us on this path, because we really have significant international support in this process. and i would like to point out that the importance of this resolution, which we really do not expect to be voted on in january, and i already in the parliament, because it will be the first special resolution of the european parliament dedicated exclusively to the issue of the special tribunal regarding the crime of aggression against ukraine, before that we had four resolutions of the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe four resolutions of the european parliament, two resolutions of the nato parliamentary assembly, a resolution of the osce parliamentary assembly, which contain provisions and call for the creation of a special tribunal, but they also contain a lot of other provisions. and this will be the first special resolution dedicated to this very issue, and how can a tribunal be created? well , here we have several options, several models

that can be applied, it can be a multilateral agreement between states and an agreement between ukraine and the organization of of the united nations and ukraine's agreement with the original european organization, i.e. the european union and or the council of europe. and that is, in fact, there are many options and the key thing is now we are consulting with our partners to find out which one trepom a-a, it is most effective for us to move with them in order to achieve the ultimate goal of creating a special tribunal. of course, it must be done today, there is no need to wait for anything, and because all these procedures and the launch and preparation of regulatory and legal acts will naturally take time, it is necessary to do today, regardless of when

this russian war against us will end. the head of the ministry of foreign affairs, dmytro kuleba, said that ukraine is preparing and developing these official steps, well, of course, this is an important track and it is clear that the russian federation should not be there. i am sure that my colleagues will do everything possible to raise this issue at the highest level and in the end really to work for this also important goal, because the presence of the russian federation in the un security council is definitely impossible, actions on the part of the security council and the security council are simply paralyzed, although it is precisely in such crisis moments as now that it should show its active activity. she simply cannot do this due to the fact that the russian federation is manipulating its veto right. so

, we still have less than two minutes left . i will return to the question of the investigation and the tribunal. we are already talking about some decisions, etc., and international law is such a thing, uh, for a decision , you usually have to wait a long time, but what time frames can we talk about when we talk about the investigation of such russian crimes, it is about years. well, you know, i would be here said that well, of course, when talking about deadlines, the deadlines are very difficult and you can’t find an unequivocal answer, but i would like to point out the following : what is key is to create this special tabernacle. this is where it really

is . of this, but when the tribunal is created, it will be able to move quickly enough because the crimes of greece are quite simple to prove, relatively speaking, the preparation of the indictment and the indictment can take only a few months, and this absolutely realistic, because crimes of aggression are much easier to prove than, say, war crimes, crimes against humanity, even more so, genocide, so i would say that the main task here, and the main challenge facing us, is to create a special tribunal, and as soon as it is created, i am sure that it will will be able to work quite quickly and effectively, a special envoy from the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine was in touch with us, they talked about the special tribunal for putin and ukraine 's position in the un. he will spend the next few hours together with khrystyna yatskiv