and ukraine actually acts as an outpost of this struggle, and it immediately brought this conflict to the global level, and definitely yes, if such an introduction is completed, i believe that this visit is an important step in our direction of victory, and even if not everyone wanted what ukraine wanted , it was discussed and approved from biden's side, i think her huge advancement in these three things, i will remind you once again that the victory of ukraine is also in zelensky's version, this exit at the border in 1991 directly said what to do with russia and what the future world will be like law and order, how after the end of the russian-ukrainian war will we finally be able to listen to the opinions of those who are with us now in the studio so, what is this victory for us and what will it be, although president zelenskyi zelenskyi really talked about it a lot but first, let's skype from the united states of america correspondent of the ukrainian voice of america service in washington, kateryna lisunova, should be

with us. glory to ukraine, katya, if you can hear us, glory to the heroes. and please tell us how the united states is now after the meeting with the ukrainian president, and maybe something. remained behind the scenes voice of america broadcast the meeting and speech at the congress of volodymyr zelenskyi, what was interesting. maybe you noticed when i was there, i was actually in the congress. i was in the hall during the speech and watched how it all happened. at the same time, the active part of the ukrainian diaspora was also invited, which was on the left side of the ukrainian president. they directly shouted glory to ukraine, and at the end of his speech, they also weakly repeated ukraine and said godglas america, and may god bless america, which received a great response from the congressmen and senators who

were present in the hall. in general, an important moment of this visit to the congress and volodymyr zelenskyi is the fact that he managed to meet with the leaders of both republicans and democrats as the senate and the house of representatives before their speech and actually have a closed conversation with american legislators, and this is important in particular against the background of the fact that the review is taking place today e-e of the government budget of the united states of america for 2023, which includes 45 billion additional aid for ukraine a and e , in fact, e, this budget is adopted in the format of smart unconditional, it will be, so to speak, in a package , many different e-e other issues are invested there and now there are disputes among legislators and there is a possibility that it will be delayed or from before for ukraine. it is important that it be approved because it actually includes a record, as of now, the amount of financial aid for ukraine from the

united states of america to its facebook they posted photos where you were literally among the journalists, so from above , in fact, above the position where president zelensky was speaking and the speaker of the congress of the piloski units was sitting, tell me. well, we saw the tv picture, and according to this tv picture, all ukrainians concluded that it was a sensation and we are now comparing this speech with churchill's speech at the beginning of the second world war, what did you see when you were in the middle of it ? perhaps the american colleagues reacted or everything was really as magical as it was shown on the broadcast, i will note that in reality, of course, churchill is being compared, they did not start comparing not so much ukrainians as

my americans. historical and compare it directly with winston's speech on churchill e in the congress er ten years ago i actually quoted how he said it and er and also compare it with the city's speech on churchill zelensky's speech, other american historians, but it is worth noting that, for example , the republican summer leader in the senate , mitch mcconnell, yesterday, during the speech before volodymyr zelenskyi's speech, he noted that it is not the speeches themselves that are important, and not even so much the address, and not even the speech of zelenskyi himself. the fact is that helping ukraine is in the interests of the united states of america and helping ukraine is in the interests of american citizens in order to allow the democracy that ukraine is fighting for to be on the front lines, in fact, against the russian federation and he directly emphasized the fact

that helping ukraine is the main priority for the americans in general, but an important moment of this speech, which was emphasized by the american legislators, is the fact that this leader of a country that is at war, and this in any in any case, it gives more importance to any speech or any words of any leader, but if we talk about thermometers, insight that i also managed to notice that many representatives were in yellow and blue colors, in particular, the female part of the american there are more doll legislators due to the greater opportunity to include yellow and blue elements in their wardrobe, for example male legislators mostly wore ties in yellow and blue colors , also some legislators of the continuous democratic party came with their own

ukrainian flag . they held him in their hands, took pictures with him, then put him on the seat so that he could be seen, and in fact, the yellow-blue paraphernalia was present all the time in the hall in the chamber of the house of representatives during volodymyr's speech zelensky no, and also from what i myself saw and i can say felt, they actively responded to the theses and statements of the ukrainian leader, not only with applause, but also by standing up, and you saw it. actually, during his speech, and to me we even had a small personal impression that the constant desire to stand up and applaud was even a little interrupted by zelenskyi's speech and he even hurried to continue.

the clothes are also in quite patriotic colors and in the colors of the project, the great lviv speaks. we really thank you for such support , they say, and here is another question: what was reprinted by the ukrainian media today, and it concerned, in particular, the material for the washington post. this is where they named such, well, if they described three scenarios for the end of the war they say zelenskyy and biden discussed this very thing and it was discussed in their conversation, and it is said that our viewers can now see that the first scenario is the de-occupation of all captured ukrainian territories, including donbas curves, the second withdrawal of troops to the line of 2014, the third return of all lands, but without crimea, and also well, that's what was said in the article about the fact that zelensky , of course, does not agree to the last two. according to the washington post he says that this is a kind of probing by journalists, and in particular by the white

house, about how ukrainians in general react to these scenarios, so to speak, of such reconciliation, and uh, well, we shouldn't react so carefully to this and this. and what do you think about this do you know if the media sphere is currently discussing, that is, what is being said about this in america, i would generally, in principle, support valery chanov's position regarding this because, in any case, the media should be guided by official statements on the official position, and the american government as the state department what the white house has repeatedly stated in response to the question of when do you think this war will end, what can be considered the end of this war, what can be considered a negotiation, and american officials repeatedly answered the same with the phrase that it is ukraine that must determine what is victory and what is the end of this war, because this is war a, in which the ukrainian people are fighting directly, and it is from what ukraine

calls the end point of this war that all partners, in particular, the united states of america , will be pushed back and this was announced at the official level. thank you. thank you for enabling and for the information you told us. kateryna lisunova, correspondent of the ukrainian service of the voice of america in washington. and maybe she didn’t understand that i especially noticed that america’s congressmen, parliamentarians, the president met zelensky in suits, emphasizing to him that we are a country of democracy that took place and here we fight among ourselves for our values, create institutions and even support other nations and peoples in their pursuit of building of their democratic

states, to which zelenskyi probably wanted to answer by saying that today we are doing dirty work here in ukraine, let's say so completely mud in the mud, er, in the rain, we are doing dirty work and we are protecting the whole of europe democracy, to which already in the congress itself zelenskyi received a specific answer, ok, if you fight for it, that is very good, we are ready to help you in this, and probably 100 times when zelenskyi shook the hand of a congressman or other american politicians, he gave word for word that he will fight for freedom words in ukraine and we have a problem with freedom and the word in ukraine until now that he will fight for the supremacy of the right to build ukraine where the right will be the main state we

also have problems with this and many, many, many otherwise, the language of clothing was naturally present and we received a lot of advance and we ourselves advanced a lot to the americans that we will fight for these values ​​before this fierce and completely inadequate enemy . will receive this christmas tree as a gift, but we can already see who is in the process of donating, so please subscribe so that we can contact you in some way later, but we already have a lot for 1,000 uah and we are trying to do it now to understand who to donate 1,000 hryvnias under our broadcast there is a link to the monobank i have a question for you and i want to touch on one more aspect of yesterday and it is not only in let's say yes to a country that is now

one of the world leaders, president zelenskyi arrived at the same time, the russians went to china quite loudly and it coincided on the same day, and apparently somewhere it looks like they were trying to play ahead somewhere and show that they also have some connections. do you think it is worth connecting these events ? see if these are two completely different tracks if you compare these cases, then the scale is not commensurate, and even the fact that medvedev is meeting with syntenpin. so what did they agree on about cooperation between the ruling parties? this is not an inter-state level. in general, you can even say that it is so slang that they let russia in a little in this regard. -e i would like to draw attention to the fact that it cannot in any way be compared with zelensky's visit, because everyone perfectly understands that during hostilities, the

trip of the head of the state to the leader of the democratic world in america is very a complex logistical problem, this is a very complex security problem. and once it happened, it is something very serious. for some reason, america was very different on this visit. i think that we should pay attention to the fact that the united states wanted to check the clocks with ukraine on several issues. first, what is the content of our let's put in the phrase "victory of ukraine" a just peace and a new world order after the war, therefore, only by filling these words with the appropriate meaning, we will understand what will be the next diplomatic actions on the part of of a collective event and biden emphasized several times that it is necessary to bring

all matters together so that all members of the alliance supporting ukraine have a common opinion. so this is something very, very serious, and the weapons and diplomatic efforts of various countries will go under these definitions in the first place of ukraine and the united states of america. so this is such a level. this is not the level of agreements between the democratic party and the servants of the people, that is, if it were, then an analogy could be drawn with the chinese visit, so it is not going anywhere. comparison, uh, what they talked about exactly these points, what does the new world order mean after the war, what does the victory of ukraine mean, and what does the world mean, what does a just peace mean, they really talked about this and what you showed that there are three scenarios, i know exactly

all these three hundred scripts are on the tables in many capitals at least with some of them i am personally familiar with uh i didn't read the texts from letter to letter i know about some principles number of scripts first look first the script appeared but it was a little earlier it was probably may, june, at first there was a scenario that ukraine is suitable for ending the war and the loss of crimea is introduced with the loss of donbas and the land corridor to crimea. then another version appeared because the armed forces of ukraine and the entire ukrainian people said that this is not going anywhere it is good and it was crossed out on the battlefield, the second option was uh, it is that ukraine takes back what was captured starting from the 14th year, except for crimea, that crimea is suspended, that is, it goes into an uncertain status and they will talk about it

to discuss in 7-10 years at diplomatic negotiations, but de facto it will be under the control of russia and there is a third option with which i understand zelensky very clearly announced that our victory and a just peace can be called the return to the borders of 1991, you from the russian troops outside the borders of ukraine in principle but in my opinion, if we are talking about a new world order, then we need to talk about one more serious thing so that neither we nor ukraine nor europe nor the other democratic rest wait in alarm of the democratic world that the war is starting again, then it is necessary to ask the question in such a way that a just peace and a new world order will determine the demilitarization of russia, that is, the destruction of the essence of the military potential of russia,

so that it does not come to rest in 3-5, in 10 years with a new attack, i told you at the beginning of december i had an opportunity to visit maistricht i belong to one analytical center that has its own office in maistricht and there were representatives of both active and distant top politicians of the countries of the european union, officials of the they agree with the european union that the best situation would be not only to deprive russia of its military e-e potential, that is, such a program would be a minimum. and it would be good to dismember russia in principle, they are afraid to say this. they have two reasons. first, they do not understand how it can spread in different parties from russia, nuclear weapons and other things. they don't understand how china can behave when

all of siberia with all its riches comes under its control, or will it continue to expand as it is doing now with investments and trade, or will it want to try militarily seize taiwan and influence other neighboring countries also militarily, as russia did, from the press conference, right there he spoke about how he sees peace, at least, well, it was publicly announced, and these are important words for me, okay, this is a quote, then we can look at it yes, in the text version, a just peace for me as for the president means no compromises regarding our land, the territorial integrity of the article and sovereignty. the most important thing is compensation for all the damage caused by russian aggression, but ukrainians who lost children in the war are not

interesting, no money and compensation, all they live on is revenge for them, there is no just peace in the war. and what these brought us, i can’t even find the words, or we are in the white house of the cultural word, these inhumans - said president volodymyr zelenskyy, these are truly the right words, lyubomyr melnychuk told you the word is discussed a lot, but to what extent is the united states of america although they disabuse themselves of this absolutely with all their words and actions, they do not incline us to any peace or any negotiations, but obviously we understand that the conversation between biden and zelensky was about what they can ask us to talk about, advise us, what do you think, that for us there is a just peace like ukraine, what will be a victory for ukraine, well, first of all, it is the return of our lands, the payment of reparations and, of course,

security guarantees, i am convinced that these security guarantees are ukraine's entry into nato, this is, at a minimum , continued work on ensuring that russia still disintegrates into the small part that was gathered thanks to terror and imperial policy, and it is not for nothing that russia is called a prison of nations, it is like on me at least now let's talk about the importance of the visit, this is the third visit of ukrainian leaders, and these visits took place primarily not because some leader was good or bad, these leaders had enormous support in society

due to certain historical events, the first was viktor yushchenko after the ukrainians left the orange revolution, they defended their pro-ukrainian pro-european position, secondly , we had the revolution of dignity, accordingly , poroshenko was invited as a result, and now we see an extraordinary consolidation of the whole of the ukrainian nation in the fight against the aggressor and we have an invitation. why is the power of zelensky? why is he so popular now in ukraine and in the world? everything is very simple. he is currently rebroadcasting the position of the ukrainians. therefore, as long as he is rebroadcasting it, he will have enormous

power and enormous support, as in our country is called so because we have had cases when politicians came to the people of the nation, large or small, and then tried to correct or lead the nation a little in the wrong direction and lost this support as much as possible. therefore, we it is necessary to understand why the strength of our president is perceived by ukrainians in the world so well and everyone is so enthusiastic about the fact that all of ukraine shows a worthy struggle, shows dignity, shows an example in this world. i would also like to emphasize the point that this is actually not the first time in

our stories when ukrainians fight, but they did not always have such support when we talk about, for example, the struggle of the ukrainian rebel army, at that time the world turned its back on ukrainians, and the fact that now we have such support for the struggle of ukrainians is in fact, it is very important. this is historical and this is what will give us strength for the future struggle of not one and not two generations. in fact , now the newest history of ukraine is being created in terms of the revival of its state, and the key thing is that i want to emphasize that we are strong not only in the first place ukraine is strong due to the fact that it

is united due to the fact that everyone rejected their political ambitions and personal grievances, and while the war continues in our country, no one is trying to harm the state, so as long as we have this unity within the society, we will be strong until then, because what was i counting on? putin nods analytical notes to you that the east of ukraine will start to fight with the west of ukraine that there are different clans there, different interpretations of history, ukrainians will quarrel as always and from all that he will emerge victorious, but ukrainians are usually very good at discussing and quarreling, but they know when to unite, they know when it is necessary to show the strength of unity. i am convinced that precisely this unity is the

key thing that we have and as a result of which we have the support of the entire civilized world and this is actually very important. what lubomyr said just recently . a few tens of minutes ago, vladimir putin's press conference with his journalists ended. he called the war a war for the first time since february 24. the soviet union, which fell apart thanks to the united states of america and so on. well, to the damned imperialists, as they say. and that there were many nationalist subjects in ukraine, as he said, who came to power and thus managed to pull fortunately, i am already adding ukraine from

russia and another compliment to big galicia. again putin mentioned that in order to pull ukraine away from russia , galicia should be part of ukraine. panasyunyk, your conclusions from the last ones from the last day are probably first of all thank you, you know any visit of the president to the us congress can be called historic, including the visit of zelensky , who took place yesterday while speaking in the congress in front of two representatives of the chambers, handing over the ukrainian flag made of bachmut to nancy pelosya, who said that this flag made of bachmut will hang over the congress of the united states of ukraine, but honestly, you know me, i wanted to cry from joy and pride that i am ukrainian. i think that many other ukrainians were in the same situation. i know what chief bakhmut was covering, i was there, and the flag brought by zelenskyi from bakhmut

, signed by the armed forces of ukraine, will hang in the united states congress, well, this a truly historic event and here you just have to applaud well done zelenskyy from bachmut immediately to washington definitely well done cool look why this happened now visit ot what do you think why did this happen now i am convinced that this happened because of what the armed forces of ukraine and ukrainian servicemen showed and proved to everyone of the world that they know how to fight with the second army of the world why this visit took place now because the ukrainian armed forces showed that they know how to successfully and quickly use and take over the western weapons, why did this visit take place now, because the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine and the ukrainian special services have shown that they know how to

not only effectively plan any military operation, but also effectively bring it to an end and carry out all these effectively all these special operations, now this visit took place also because the counteroffensive in the kharkiv region and the liberation of kherson gave a clear signal to the west and the entire civilized world that ukraine will win this war, we see that ukrainian society is one, and lubomyr is right everyone united for the sake of this victory for the sake of ukraine's victory over russia in this war and the victory will be unequivocally ours. i am convinced that zelenskyi opened a new stage of relations with the civilized world with this visit. so we will not know what was said there. and it is clear that we would like that many ukrainians would like zelensky to get tanks and a little bit of naf 16

to fly to kyiv, but that’s how it works. we received a new package of military aid worth almost 2 billion. there are tens of thousands of shells there there are uh patriot systems there are a lot of armored vehicles and some words of biden that i am looking forward to when i can sign the next 45 billion for ukraine well isn't this an ineffective meeting isn't this a historic meeting i think this is a historic meeting i here is another quote in the context of what you said, sir, volodymyr zelenskyi, in our version, quote number two , so that it would be easier for the director, ukraine has never asked american soldiers to fight on our land instead of us, i assure you that ukrainian soldiers are capable of excellent control american tanks and airplanes. this is also important in the context of the demonstration

of strength and confidence in president zelenskyi’s abilities. mr. philip and if we talk about this assistance, it is clear that we are not most often talking about petre systems, but about this one battery that will obviously be able to cover reliable to cover one city, an important city , and there is also what pad vasylyna said, there are many different thousands and tens of thousands of shells of different calibers. what do you think is the extent of this assistance now appropriate? maybe even in the context of the interview he gave last week for the economist valery fedorovych zaluzhnyi, who said that we are preparing an important work and we need weapons, and these weapons are actually in much larger quantities, even if you look at these numbers than what zaluzhny asked for. we must to understand that the current situation at the front is in different directions