i have two opinions on how to cooperate with officials. they are about 20 years old. you understand. we have many heads of administration. i am from sumy oblast. they could somehow force us to cooperate in various ways, listen to me on er, on the other side of the attack. my wife and i talked about the whole topic and er, well, you know. well, it was a difficult conscious decision that since this is how fate turned out, i am the leader today of this community, i am for any circumstances must stay with the community and protect this community even to an extreme situation and to have to die, then everything is not a strong issue for discussion, that is why i

did it absolutely consciously . which units, what did the forces do? by the way, the same ones who today investigate all criminal cases. in which districts were the authorities? and tell me, please, when did you learn about the war? we really stand for it, and it’s a great credit to the number of people, which are thousands. people got weapons and went to defend the city. see how it started. it’s an interesting moment for me, because you had a month ago, february 2, 2022. you were trained in territorial defense. territorial defense was formally, as it were, created, but in fact,

well, in communities, especially in small ones well, it was on paper about weapons, i'm not talking about weapons at all, and you had training for a month, you as the mayor of the region that borders belarus and russia, when did you learn about uh, that there would be a full-scale attack for sure, you were informed what you should do with my wife is to discuss this, uh, they are informed, and i will say frankly that uh, well, let's say my confidence is that there will be no war, it uh, it was formed at the expense of comments, meaning state officials who are young with state secrets, who possess intelligence data, respectively, and so on well, the second situation is, accordingly, my own analysis

, and we discussed it with a circle of friends, and i did not believe that a full-scale offensive option was possible. what could this be? and then open or er if there is something er similar to a real war there and a full-scale our that is, it is er east of ukraine and the rooster in the south i understood that well, many people understood that er a land border was needed where is the provision of crimea ? accordingly, we and i told me this information was submitted to the media and, er, well , accordingly, we have our own analytics, based on the sources that we had, which are all, as for training, i will say that look well well, we er, then you have already been back, you will not return er, any actual ones one day of training, he believes that they shot

at a shooting range full of them, which are in the suburbs, so this is us, tactical training for my son, and that is why we were taught there, how to use a special syringe from a tactical first-aid kit, that is what concerns the doctors no tactics at all. well, we fired there. maybe for er half a year , maybe er, from a kalashnikov assault rifle . there, er, single shots. some rounds were fired at the target at a distance of 100 m and fired. i personally shot er, two two wallpaper with of course not with a makarov pistol 15 and 25 years ago, or 10 and 25 years ago, you can’t call it any kind of training, thank god. i served in the soviet army for two years of my life, so for me

there is a question of how to assemble a kalashnikov assault rifle correctly . to shoot there from the air conditioner or from lying down or does it exist or is it not there are big questions. maybe i was a little bit scornful there, but again it is already etched, if only as a mixture , tell me we were approached by what we want to create and we held a meeting and we have experience to date and i see that there are programs and uh, 300 pieces that we would have had time for, we had more than enough, we applied three months ago for a permit, uh, that means that a person who served in the armed forces of ukraine and had all the relevant permissions that are there will be appointed as a commander today she passed inspections, which means that we are now

counting that there is an accumulation of troops, which means that the highway is obviously the right thing to keep silent, so that there was combat hydration between these units, this is all the representatives of the communal services , in fact, which they could periodically point to at a critical time, they can defend themselves and there is still time for them at night, but they register a traffic accident. so, someone thinks that this idea that it will be a private army of the world is false , and it is from these pants that it means that it was pulled honestly and in fact. we understood that such a green state offer we do not register a dfg for your product, you do not currently have a dfg of a voluntary formation, look at us and once in a while regarding the creation of a dfg, we have not

appointed a manager today, let’s who does not know, i will note that this is a voluntary formation of the territorial community, the duties of creating some others are given by the autogen from the pensioners of the ministry of internal affairs , which means, well, they live their lives. what is the difference there if the leadership of the armed forces of ukraine understands what they are doing here, everything does not prevent the creation of diphtheria, which we proposed from the event - i do not know who cares? well, in sumy, there are 10 dfg, 10 voluntary formations of one territorial group, the city of sumy, sumyshchyna, the neighboring region, there are 10 dfg .

somewhere further on, i publicly say that you do not like the leader of which i propose to put my leader, please , a representative of the armed forces of ukraine. wounds, even if you don't understand what is contained in those tactical first-aid kits. by the way, we also have tactical first-aid kits, which means that we have succeeded. on the front lines, these tactical first-aid kits, that is, you do not

register where in the tg there are already formed others , what is diphtheria, it is a voluntary formation of an association of a territorial community, it is, well, now practice shows that it is still a formation on the basis of some people who, well, something about unites, respectively, what unites the police officers who, at one time, served the attention of the national police, accordingly, unites the representatives of communal services that they know their enterprises, the territory of their enterprises, the most responsible locations of the enterprise, critical infrastructures that must be protected as a priority. why would you take advantage of this offer and additionally teach them

military tactics, shooting, and so on? besides that, we planned to hand out walkie-talkies so that there would be coordination between the combatants and in addition , we we have a number, we survived. he clearly understands as a leader that he worked for the defense of ukraine, not the defense of ukraine, and then after that . we say that there is a probable offensive from belarus. let's talk about how it started, but on the 24th, you appealed to the townspeople, by the way, the communal workers too. everyone stayed and worked just for the city during the repulse of chernihiv oblast from a possible possible invasion. chernihiv did hold out and did not surrender. you appealed on the 24th, to the townspeople with a call to take up arms and go to the ranks

of the teroborona, how did the personal war start for you and where did you get the arms? for me, the war started on the morning of february 24, just like for all ukrainians, but the difference is small in that that in the first two hours, i already er heard er, so i guessed the deputy called and recovered, who was on the fisherman and above his head . 15-18 and i personally heard it further uh, i have a connection, i lead the party of my native regional house, which, by the way, took well, perhaps the best uh results among regional parties in ukraine, we have 19 uh members of the party, what are the conditions of the united territorial

communities of fifty-seven, including the border i from the first minutes eh and owned according to the information, what mass of monotechnics comes in, with trains , with gasoline tankers, with kits, etc., and already on the first day , clashes began with us. by the way, with the territorial defense, the first clashes were with the territorial defense, which was assembled from germany, are there any territorial defense skirmishes, of course, to date? i am personally a witness. i mean , how was it? these are our unsolicited guys who were afraid of what they were asking for. they lived. it means that they may not have been hidden . according to the words, the wall was normal. such

the warehouse means and er, we are there tactically right or wrong, it means they er, sometimes they started firing there prematurely, but the russians were also ready and they still have their tanks and armored vehicles and e flees across the fields and so on. and this was already then the effect of the first battle and this kind of hardening went on and on and on, the joint armed forces are definitely on the ball, as they say, in this matter, everything is fixed, but it ’s not a joke. thousands of people from chernihiv stood with me , and today we spoke for the whole sector, it’s quite serious. and accordingly it was manned by commanders who have military experience and such. thank you. in principle, the citizens of the city are not ours or who served there 20 or 30 years ago in the conscript armies of the

time of the soviet union. of course, the number of people in the terrodefense is chernigov. after your call, i will not call you agrarians. the numbers we received for the period when we had these numbers mean that we received about 20% 20%, the city of chernihiv well, maybe 17% , about 18%, in some places the city of chernihiv received weapons from the uh of all the weapons that were distributed in general, in ukraine, in particular, townspeople chernihiv receives 10 times more weapons than the citizens of kherson. and where did we get these weapons? i apologize. what kind of question did you ask? where did you get the weapons? what hundreds of thousands of kalashnikov assault rifles have

been in military warehouses for decades and all the weapons are for us because of the current situation and the quantity that we they issued er managed to give her a lift, that's why i am grateful to those commanders who took upon themselves this responsible decision of the army, namely to the representatives of the er command of the armed forces of ukraine , the command in particular of the northern district who took responsibility and er without er there, thousands of long-term verification procedures were issued, one of the weapons of citizens, well, it was several thousand armed citizens who were ready to resist, now all this is a large number of approximately she answers that because we are you say, but i do not want to call him there accuracy is good, well, look,

there were no street battles in chernihiv itself, although the townspeople were preparing for them, so that work was biological battles, and er, on the 31st thing , on er, 31 years of independence, we developed inflammation, a mixture by the bottle, from michel, er, we technologically have reached such a level equipment, what does it mean, i called on the citizens not to be afraid of tanks, tanks, which are in the city, well, everything is the worst for them if the location, and which, in fact, in addition to the fact that they buzz loudly, they are defenseless on the spot and uh, that means uh, the entire incendiary mixture, uh, the activists spread over many tanks and what do you think what role

did this readiness of the townspeople play with just their hands to defend your city with naked cocktails, hammer, and what weapons were there, what was this resistance that arose, what role did he play ? chernihiv but now i don't have complete information about my family, but i believe that the large number of citizens who took up arms and stood up to defend the city played a very serious role in terms of psychological support, the military and the perception of how much people helped the military and we tried to organize and to elect everyone and let them wash their clothes and let them go to their

homes and so on and all the people who were from other cities, the military, they were evidence of how much the population was determined to support and help with everything i can do everything and as soon as possible. that's why, on the one hand, and weapons and in some places on the other side, you know , the atmosphere of support by the entire military population, it instilled additional confidence in the military's forces, and they inspired it . the common thing with places is that the city of chernihiv is pushed aside, but in terms of plans of the occupiers. what do you think were their plans , or was the plan actually an occupation? well, it is clear that chernihiv was strategically important on the way to

kyiv. what do you think are our real plans? in principle, we all know their plans. the plan was in 18 hours . i had already moved and held consultations in kyiv, but the plan was to land in gostomel , the plan was to come to chernihiv, er, to walk without any resistance, they were near chernigov in two hours. where er belarus ukraine and russia er has a point common border means it is 85 km and we discovered things to drive along the road chernihiv homerchi kyiv gomel means holiday the same approximately 85 km well t-72 it has a maximum speed of 80 km/h in a straight line well let’s march let them go it’s like there 30-40 km/h well 30 hryvnias, it's a two-hour drive, 2.5 hours. in fact, there was

little resistance at the borders. but really, we weren't ready, and very quickly the border guards were shot, and they were russians, and they even marched with wings. they didn't spread out in the fields, let's say they were moving around on the highway, and it is an absolute phenomenon that they just got stuck in the first communities, well , sumy and chernihiv regions, and right in the communities, although they were marching purposefully in columns , marching, and there was also the effect of unexpectedness, or rather how they got stuck in the sumy region , er, chernihiv they they were definitely stuck at least in the city of chernihiv and vladislav, but chernihiv suffered significant destruction by shelling , what are the statistics now, which is convenient, the russians began to take revenge, that is, they began to bombard the city with all kinds of threats

weapons at random, and the city council used sessions about us, two expensive iskanders flew there, and they suffered . this is an opportunity to hide and our armored vehicles, and accordingly, we, uh, where she was hiding there, another flight came there, i already have the laws of war, according to uh, besides this, uh, they are just that, right now, you are on television, how do you see the consequences of the services and the disadvantages, they are absolutely flew over the city with impunity at any heights er and bombability, yes, and this er, in principle, they were er, for the most part , it was in them er that what we found later, er,

remains - these er, half a ton were tnt element bombs are a fact of 500, i.e. the cities dropped only this. in terms of money, percentages, there are estimates of independent experts. they, er, there is what was announced, it was 4.2 billion dollars. the sector is also multi-story buildings, one, two-story buildings, two, and, of course, this is an enterprise private ones that are currently in the city - these are budget-making enterprises, there were some enterprises with foreign investments, well, the cost of the equipment was 25-30 million euros there, for example, plast box is a joint company, which means that a ukrainian-polish enterprise was produced

in all supermarkets all, well, almost all the plastic dishes there from the leader there, uh, he brought them there and so on, everything just burned to ashes, one and a half thousand degrees and other machines, they all completely melted, uh, there is no living space there. well here is the destroyed enterprise er 1100 a man works at the chernihiv automobile plant he is left there it occupies about 30 hectares er the area means there are several enterprises er well er percent 15 people are left alive there so for today instead of today you are happy 200 people work there, a bunch of other enterprises, some where only the roofs were damaged, private business, i won’t be there for you now, uh, the names of all the companies at night, but they, uh, put orthodox funds, uh, when they recovered, they are trying to

work, but now due to their absence electricity even they are not very successful at this. well, because now, after all, it was not yet at the expense. well , in principle, it is clear that after all, the earthquake was, after all, within a radius of 100 m from the fall of 500, and there are all the cast iron networks, all the joints they are disconnected, there is a leakage of all the liquids that moved there through those networks before the war, now somehow they counted many people left chernihiv, as of march 16-17, we had the smallest number of people from 285-290,000 before the war the population in our city was then 6,900, that is, less than 70,000, respectively 220 this ratio turned out to be according to

the program, uh, the numbers that allow some approximate branches have now returned with women . mayor well, who is off topic, it looks like a political showdown, who and why is he trying to figure out who is with you, your version is very simple, so at the end of the 19th year, lesi explained in an interview in ukrainian pravda and tv channel direct uh, i gave an explanation, so uh, at the end of the 19th year, after the elections, uh, after zelenskyi's victory, i didn't have uh, not before

that, any political commitments, there is an initiative of president zelenskyi's office regarding uh, cooperation uh- eh at the upcoming local elections in october 20, eh, understanding eh well, all the negotiations can't eh, so maybe it ended in a positive way, maybe it won't end right away, we still started negotiations with serhii trofimov, eh by the way, the polar man is the best, god bless him health means er and but we immediately noted that er let's say i have intentions regarding er that if we do not have any agreements by the beginning of mid-april, then er the election campaign should be introduced not two or three of a month, it has to be conducted for six months, and this is a deadline because

then we will go there, well, in our own way, each local party is great. well, further, the company was dismissed, so practically, this situation is hung indeterminate there with like-minded people united in the party native house uh what is the person of the party today a blow with a word, political differences, we have a few minutes to the end, but regarding this announced offensive, but chernihiv oblast and chernihiv still remain between two words, i will say that this is extremely important. look, this is a question for today regarding the court decision, this is a very serious precedent and er, this is er, supports such a work er, yake yaka

is completely opposite to this effort of the president of ukraine, who today er effectively carries out his work for the victory of ukraine to date. i when klitschko held a meeting with the ambassadors on the 13th of december 13th, so at least well, i spoke with several ambassadors, with everyone. this is the ambassador of great britain, the ambassador of germany, the ambassador of the united states of america, they all know the situation. about this decision about this can be a threat to the entire self-government of other mayors, it is the blue one that is threatening, it is full of nonsense, this is absolutely not obvious, we are the punishment for the offense that i am charged

with . er, it is possible to investigate that the wife i left in a company car, but we want to divide it into 10 criminal cases and the opposites are responsible for everything. well, this is a monsoon, and accordingly, i say once again that we have a minute. is chernihiv now preparing for a second offensive? now chernihiv is preparing for a second offensive. russia and belarus have remained neighbors and do you have any instructions now, in contrast to what happened on the 24th, what will happen and what to do self-government , we do not have any instructions . we have more or less an understanding of which military

commander is responsible for which directions, the military command is absolutely confident about the necklace they can count on under any circumstances, what the city can do to help the armed forces to protect our native chernihiv and accordingly , we understand our responsibility because we, as the first time, restrained tens of thousands of russians . germany is already a little aware of how they act, how they interact with each other, except that i don't want to reveal big secrets, but also that which does not concern the fortifications of the buildings, we are urgent, and we will be there for a walk, and according to the words, where