on the issue of energy to andriy gros, and his estimate is that the number of generators is actually about one-tenth of the car fleet, which was estimated to be more than 7 million cars in ukraine, if, well, that is, based on such an approximate estimate that the consumption of one small generator corresponds to the consumption of a car actually, this is an order that can be plus 10-20% of consumption today, uh, yaroslav wozniak, an international deputy, made public his data that fuel imports increased by 30%. that is, this is a decentralized market, fortunately for russia here nothing can be broken anymore, we learned in the spring when they attacked the oil depots, and accordingly the market has already been adjusted enough to provide ukraine with fuel as soon as possible. here the questions that arise are the questions of

prices. on generators, it was a significant increase after we actually had this first wave of price increases for a product group at the beginning of the war, it continued ah ah in the summer and slowed down a little before the start of these mass rocket attacks but again we saw after the actual stores were forced to switch to generators this, of course , means additionally uh times more expensive electricity and actually it was immediately affected gleb so do you think that this can and in general cause an increase in the general annual inflation in ukraine, this is an increase in the use of these generators, and to what extent is it some one or two percent, what numbers can we talk about? well, actually, yesterday was a

government estimate literally, as you said , one or two percent of approximately this scale assessment and in the national bank here, you just have to understand that the share of electricity consumption is different in different businesses. we again did our analysis, uh, based on pre-war statistical data, uh, even of the largest industries, if you throw out the fuel and energy complex, and look at the actual industry and service sectors accounted for about 5% of electricity consumption. accordingly, if e-e production is partially or completely transferred to production from a generator that is 4-5 times more expensive, then accordingly, this one gives the actual e-e similar a similar effect, but we will look at it because in our country, in addition to itself, well, that is, these are

operating costs, but there are also costs for the generator itself, which must be bought, it must be serviced, it must be repaired as needed, accordingly, these are all additional costs, it must be connected in fact, what we had at the discussion yesterday, a representative of one of the supermarket chains actually said that they now have even more of a problem not with the purchase of generators , they have already received an order, but with a large in turn, not connecting the generators, there are very few craftsmen who can perform these works at the same time, mr. hleb. well, there were plans in the cabinet of ministers to generally increase the cost of electricity from january 1 for businesses. later, i allegedly read from a refutation that this will not happen. after all, from january 1, at what price will the business receive electricity, not so much we are in touch with the cabinet, the more so the actual decision is taken

. there is political influence, there are no questions about this, and it is obvious that this tariff needs to be increased because, well, that is, this ceiling that exists today, because, actually, the expenses of the energy industry have also increased very much, and if in fact, we, uh, what we discussed yesterday is the possibilities import of electricity, and the main main obstacle to the import of electricity is actually the fact that it is now approximately three times more expensive on the european union market than in ukraine, actually for business. we are not even talking about citizen consumers, where the difference is many times more, respectively in fact, one of the schemes that is currently being discussed is for large enterprises, instead of

investing in a generator, it is actually an opportunity to receive such a kind of targeted import that overestimates the price of the european market for those regions where the problem is actually a lack of generation, and not, as in kyiv, an abundance of actual transmission capacity that was destroyed in the kyiv region of transformers that actually transmit if we are talking about regions that are in a relatively better situation but that lack generation due to the occupation of zaporozhye nuclear power plant, the government, in particular, is now thinking about such a decision, but we also have to speak sincerely now about the need to raise the tariff for citizens, because even before the war, it had not been raised for two or three years, and accordingly, the prices were rising . salaries were also growing, but before the war salaries were growing at a very fast pace. and

actually this restraint of the tariff for citizens was populist and it also limits the financial resources of the energy workers even before the war they say that already they said, let's talk about some absolute numbers, let's also say, here i am quoting the site on which ukrenergo is talking about an increase in the tariff for business 6.36 per kilowatt and plus 2.07 for delivery, it turns out together how many are there 8 8 43 and it will not work so that generators will be cheaper to produce electricity than to buy it from ukrenergo no, it will not work because this is an increase conditionally by tens of percent and the generator for electricity is many times more expensive well, we even calculated for our office because we were a little lucky here with the presence of a generator, historically, even a large one a good generator is three three times more expensive

electricity than network electricity not to mention the worse option okay then, please tell us about the light for the population , is this a proposal or is there such a real plan because there seems to be a cabinet resolution on limiting prices for residential and communal services services for the time of martial law. that is, it will be reviewed whether or how it was in the case of this proposal. and of course, we would like it as soon as possible, but the current government is in relation to the war, which is now quite populist in terms of price regulation. unfortunately, this leads to the fact that our energy system actually becomes less stable due to the fact that the prices are understated in fact for all heating, gas , electricity, and everything related to electricity. of course, this does not stimulate citizens to the economy, because the economy we

see in the countries of the european union, now it is savings, first of all, due to the fact that the tariffs have increased, that is, people themselves are saving here, the only reason for the economy is patriotism or such a desire to jointly maintain the network in the corresponding point of the population points, so that it does not fall, it is wrong, there must be economic factors, so what price would be objective now, how many times it is at least this, at least we have to talk about a price that is reasonable with the price for business, this is a threefold increase, that is, it does not apply to this even more if for business it will be 8 and for the current assessment it will be so if now it is six it seems so with pennies but look, do you think that uh, people of private farms should pay the same as business or vice versa business should pay less no in general, under normal conditions, there are more consumers, the delivery is cheaper for them, and they, well, that is,

for them, the costs of electricity in order to provide it to a large consumer are lower than for a smaller consumer, but at least we should talk about a comparable price, because in fact it is now we have such a critical situation . electricity for citizens and exits were subsidized, so that some e-e part of the enterprises was not competitive compared to their competitors in the european union, accordingly, this did not allow creating jobs for the same ukrainians, that's why everything here is different from both ends of the population, but if we compare the common price for the population business for light, then

it is necessary to introduce a single price for gas and will our consumers, individuals, be able to pay the price that business pays well, the strategy should be one and the same what is the energy carrier, what is gas, what is electricity, or are they different, why is it common for everyone here, and here is the difference, how much is it four times, correct me, please, absolutely it should be the same here, you understand, if ukraine did not have a well-developed and tested system of subsidies and in which well, that is, all the glitches were corrected from the 16th to the 18th year, when it was the most from the point of view of consumers, do you remember then there were periods when up to two-thirds of 60%, more than 60% of households received subsidies prices in fact, everything was close to the market prices, and accordingly, it created the correctness of the

incentives - it was for the rich, actually, and it meant morning prices for the poor, it provided compensation from the side of the state, well, that is, instead of using this system , it should be understood that in many there is no such system in the more developed european countries, for example great britain, it was very well introduced this autumn-winter period, it’s stupid otherwise you can’t say a system when for all households except the poorest there was one ceiling for energy costs has been established, and accordingly, well, that is, it is much less flexible, much smaller, and it is aimed at the poorest than the system that we physically have in ukraine in the form of a system of subsidies , countries solve this issue, there is a gradation, and in different countries there are different systems protection of consumers from the increase in prices that

occurred earlier this season in other countries, it is taken from nowhere, it is taken from the budget in ukraine, it is also taken from budget funds, in fact, it is clearly partially taken with it for investment by companies, but then, you know, it just looks less transparent than in them, in them it is some formal budget subsidies, in us it goes then you know these strange bills about mutual liquidation of debt between energy market participants and the tax government and so on, where the very complex laws actually contain the same subsidies, then thank you for the explanation ivan plachkov

will be with us further. gleb vinshlinsky , the executive director of the economic strategy center, explained about prices and how to support business because it is currently under a colossal burden, and accordingly, it is lower taxes to the budget and there is such a big, big chain , less taxes, a smaller budget and all the consequences that we will get, but if we can support m.m.'s business in any way, at least somehow, then it is necessary to do it now, it is very difficult for him, we are waiting for ivan plachkov on our broadcast, we will continue with him about electricity and energy, we will continue to talk in the news, i will repeat that at night versus today there was a fire on the territory of a military unit in the east of moscow, and in the saratov region, the russian military commissar was set on fire as a sign of gratitude for the mobilization. there was a fire in a military unit in moscow. it is called. they published

a video showing a large number of fire trucks. a fire broke out on the territory of a military unit . parts well, the fire is reported from the surface in the garage boxes located on the territory of this part on the street of the third sokolnaya mountain, the area of ​​the fire is 200 squares to about a dozen fire brigades were involved in extinguishing the fire , the russian ministry of internal affairs would say that there are no more victims. well, they also report a fire in the building of the military commissariat in the village of ivankivka in the saratov region. do you want to go to the village of ivankivka in the rakhiv region ? against the fact that a hundred thousand russians have already come home, they tried to set fire to the office of the duty officer on the cooperative street, there they found a plastic bottle with the remains of gasoline probably lubricants, well, this is a cocktail of molotov gasoline of the city, usually there is this foam. it should be noted that the fire was extinguished before it spread to other

premises, but the office itself was not badly damaged by the fire, well, you can see the photo, wait for the news at 11:00, we will show a detailed process by a batch of tor m2k anti-aircraft missile systems arrived to the belarusians about the notification to the ministry of defense of the country, the press service of the ministry of defense of belarus with reference to the assistant minister of defense, it is reported now, we will quote the notification of the weapons consignment was received within the framework of the existing intergovernmental agreement on military-technical cooperation between belarus and russia. in the coming days, these complexes will arrive at the units and military units. where are they assigned? where are they assigned? what is unknown well, we will ask our guests in the future. well, and the european union. yes, we still don't have ivan plachkov. the european union expected that ukraine would change the law

on the constitutional court, taking into account all the recommendations of the venice commission reform i will remind you of the case as one of the seven points that ukraine must fulfill in the process of preparing for the start of negotiations on joining the european union. well , regarding these changes, the spokeswoman of the european commission informed anopizoneru, and her name is we take into account the adoption of law no. 762 on december 13, she said judges of the constitutional court, including payment of the decision-making rules in the advisory group of experts, told epizooner, according to her, the european commission expects, in particular, that the number of members of this tag will increase to seven. well, there should be one from foreign, so to speak, our partners are included, the european commission expects that the ukrainian authorities will fully take into account the recommendations of the venice commission published after the adoption of the law on december 19, including an increase in the number of members of this commission to seven, an additional member must be married to a national quota to prevent a state of emergency in

decision-making, so that the international an additional member is very important, we will cheer for it. i think the changes will pass in the parliament. well, our energy department says that it will take from seven up to 10 days, they were also quoted by prime minister denys shmyhal. well, if there is a complete blackout, it will take 7 to 10 days to get out of it. these are preliminary calculations. well, because no one in the world has experienced such a thing yet, we will ask ivan plachkov for details - he is the minister of energy in the 1999th year from the fifth to the sixth chairman of the board of the union of the all-ukrainian energy assembly mr. ivane we congratulate you good afternoon, can you hear us ivan plachkov, here we hear you as and how do you evaluate these numbers 7-10 days to get out of the complete blockade or are they objective well that's why that there was no such thing and these are previous such

calculations are purely theoretical. well, i think that the numbers are roughly correct, but a blackout, what is a blackout, a blackout, when it goes down , the power system is completely shut down and there is no generation and the distribution networks are not working. from the reason why the blackout happened, if it was destroyed while generating power, it is clear that the term of the restored electricity supplier will be longer, if it is only power lines, transformers, substations, then it can really be done in 5-6-7 there up to 10 uh, days, well, i'm sure that we won't have a complete blackout. we have a very stable power system and we see 10 such

powerful strikes after that, uh, everything is fine, the power system is working . in the southern regions, but the power industry restored e-e, especially high-voltage substations where there are high-voltage transformers where, thanks to these substations, electricity is distributed from high-voltage lines directly to e-e consumers, and i submitted that our opposition to anti-missile defense, it will send e-e the protection of e-objects in the energy infrastructure and energy industry thanks to e-e their professionalism , organization and help, especially our european partners, the united states will gradually e-e stabilize the situation and

sometime in a month, i hope, they will go to plan and e - e disconnections are planned disconnections of consumers because the deficit will remain, although today we constantly talk about planned inclusions, well, the situation remains critical, and the energy industry is working on in order to stabilize it, mr. ivan. and why, please, explain when i ask our guest experts questions: what do we lack anymore, that we don't have enough generation or distribution networks of this general energy, i constantly get different answers, someone says whether this is replaced depending on the time here there is not enough generation, and here networks, and then, and there, on the contrary, here networks, and here generation from time and place, why are there different answers, please? well, you understand, the energy system works as a single organism, and this is what happened to us , uh, what happened in the central region

after the shutdown of the chernobyl nuclear power plant, the kyiv region has a shortage of electricity generating capacity in the central and southern regions, and at one time we built a substation line, a 750 kw line. nuclear electricity is enough at the moment, but we cannot transport it, and therefore the energy companies are forced to limit the disconnection of consumers. and for example, if a substation e-e there were three transformers and two the transformers of the destroyed ones are left, and when there is a load, the power industry disconnects the consumers so that it does not burn out, so that it is not overloaded, that is why it

is such a difficult technical technological work, but after the level of consumption, today we have more or less a balance if the temperature is below zero, i think that we will not have enough generation, but it is being worked out, hmm, the issue of electricity import is poland, slovakia, and so on, but everything is fine. if we import, we will import at the border. and we need it to transport and for this we need to restore the lines, restore the networks, restore the insurrection, and so on, there is such a problem , it is not linear, everything is technically very difficult there, and the interconnection, mr. ivan, could it be possible to secure these very destroyed or destroyed transformers if, well, with this question of physical

, secure this the question of building some concrete structures over these transformers should be dealt with from the summer, for example, or from the spring. such a fence because it is concrete on top. well, these are very complex constructions like these, and if you have seen a substation, there are a lot of networks, and because of these networks, it is very difficult to do something , but in principle, to it is impossible to protect it with concrete. well, how can you fence it? it must be fenced 30-40 m higher than the power lines. well, the internet is very very. i think that it is practically impossible. something could be done at the power plants. and

it is impossible to protect the system with concrete. it is better. to protect the anti-aircraft anti-missile turnover of the ministry of energy, they say that by the summer there will be a complete recovery, this is provided that there are no new shellings ivan and if there will be new shellings, and how do you evaluate these forecasts well, i do not share this optimism ministries that by the summer it can be completely restored. i think that we will restore the rakani. and i would say no to restore it, build it in parallel. well, in parallel, we will build a new energy system on modern high-tech equipment . we must turn it around. we will make the energy complex so modern and powerful

, and it must be one step ahead of the development of all other industries, because today we saw that there is no electricity, then all the civilizational components of our life are absent, and we cannot talk about development there the economy of the enterprise and so on, we all already understood the ring earlier, we understood the energy sector, and now everyone therefore, this development will cut into the system. will destroy the lenses, which objects, if it will be power plants, i think that there may be problems like this , high-voltage substations are also a problem, transformers are powerful, high-voltage is artificial. this is

the verdict, and they are ordered, they are manufactured somewhere 5 months, they are very expensive. well, it will be such a difficult, complicated job. well, we will look at the situation, but i just want to assure everyone that the energy workers have always distinguished themselves by high professionalism, high organization and responsibility, and so they will do their best, it is impossible and they are already doing such miracles, examples of heroism like this have never been in history, let alone that with such a level of destruction, the power system is still working. to them new achievements and to you and that we together protect our energy system and allow it to finally fall p

ivan and how much amount can we talk about for the complete restoration of this system or the construction of a new parallel system how do you that is, they said, what is the order of money, it’s interesting, do you understand what the power system is, how it works and how it can be built. well, it is constantly necessary to restore, carry out reconstruction, modernization, i will tell you, for example, at the beginning of the 90s, ukraine received the most modern, most powerful, high-tech power system in the world, it was only possible compare with france and no country had to compare its energy sector with ukrainian energy sector, this is in the 90s, today our energy sector has become retro-energy, retro, this is how these cars are in the button for when they drive there 50-60 years ago, if i restore it, i

think that the order of these, well, for example, the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant well, it is if you evaluate everything that is around and it is about 50 billion dollars as well as well not the least the least uh, it's hundreds of billions of dollars, but no one says that it should be done, uh, at the same time, in a month, in two hours, we need to restore the energy supply from the beginning. i think that it is, well, tens of billions of dollars. expand restore and so on and so next. and this should be done all my life, and it is very difficult for me to estimate it. well, in the initial period, i think that it is in the tens of 30-40 billion

. here under arbitrary our consumption in terms of power was at the same level there in the 24th winter period of 27,000 mw, now our consumption is half as much, somewhere up to 12, there are 13, you don’t know. there was no shortage of er... generation and we restore, well, how do we and ours in the vision equipment and the equipment that we receive, now there is no question of doing such a reconstruction, modernization there in a modern way and so on. now the energy companies are doing everything that

is possible in order to provide for the consumers electricity, and then we will figure it out very well, the task is one question, it is clear, because mr. ivan, regarding gas, herman galushchenko brought out our saying that russia can stop the transit of gas at any moment and these risks are calculated to what extent ukraine can provide itself with gas in the event of a stoppage of russian transit literally for half a minute, you have gas around 14 billion i am sure that it will be enough for an average statistical winter if russia stops transit through ukraine although i doubt it i think that this will not happen. well, even if it happens, we will have a lot of problems in terms of gas distribution, distribution works