support for the implementation of certain offensive tasks. and here he will agree with mr. igor. the fact is that now, uh, it is really dangerous for us. the donetsk front is there, it is necessary to start certain actions. so far, it doesn’t give us eh it performs the tasks of a full-scale frontal offensive, but it’s enough to work with voglomeratsiya, um, it’s not bad with voglomeratsiya, eh, it’s the donetsk level of the donbass, there almost every tube is slotted and burning as such and there is no it is possible to work there because of such an ugly transfer to us of weapons that are now visible and there is a certain movement that inspires hope that we will finally begin to work in the donbass there is information regarding the understanding of the development of the situation

with bakhmut, the military says that pushing back enemy a 10-15 km from the city is such a minimal goal that can be set, but in general, how and in which direction in donetsk region can a counterattack develop further a-a optimal the option in donbass if you work, you will still work with the exit to luhansk, that is, they will complete certain tasks, or from podsvatov to eh, in the distance along the roads in the direction of eh, starobelskaya, further, to happiness , or the test of the stone to luhansk, that is, eh crimea severodonetsk-severodonetsk lysychansk rubezhnoe is an agglomeration with which you can also move to luhansk three to take eh to the donetsk group only after we go to the rear and cross the supply lines after this you can already deal with the donetsk group itself, by the way, including

bakhmutsky in order for the russians to be the popasnya so-called grouping, that is, the popasny group goes to bakhmut mainly as a tribute, that is, we need to enter the rear of the pasnyan grouping, and for this we need to take lysichansky in the fate of severodonetsk, go down to the south and cut certain supply lines, that is, this the optimal option for work in donbas, dear online guests, roman svitan, a military expert , a reserve colonel of the armed forces of ukraine, a military pilot-designer, and ihor lapin , a special officer, an officer of the armed forces of ukraine people's deputy of the previous convocation let's go on, let's talk now about the violation of human rights during the war, let's talk about the ukrainian children, who were already kidnapped in an insane number by the russians, in fact, they deported some of these children to their territory, even trying to adopt russian families with us contact dmytro lubinets

, the verkhovna rada's commissioner for human rights, we congratulate dmytro glory to ukraine glory to the heroes good day ukraine good day studio well, if we talk simply about the sad statistics of the de facto abduction of our children on the territory of the russian federation, is there already an exact number that would have been recorded or confirmation of confirmation from our international partners, the exact number we can say at the moment is 13,000 13 ukrainian children, this number is quadrupled. so, including returnees thanks to cooperation with some international partners, i will not say that this is just a systemic, some kind of question on the part of international partners, but in fact, when i say verified numbers, i mean that we know the information from which city of

ukraine these children were taken and where they are now are in the territory of the russian federation , in what legal status can we allow such children to pass through, that there are many more such children, we are talking about hundreds of thousands of ukrainian children , that is why this figure is clear that there are far fewer verified and confirmed children than were actually taken out of the russian federation, we opened an online portal, uh, it is called children of war, state you can go to the child search portal at any time and see the number of verified children , found children and returned children at the moment. we have managed to return 125 children it is clear that this number is much less than we have even verified, but in what way, what kind of story is this, what kind of children are these children, each return of a child is an operator, when we, after

verification, begin to work out various options for how to return this or that child to the territory of ukraine and unite uh, with our relatives and friends, everything starts with documents uh, well, 90% of our children don't have documents, that is, we start like this, that 's right, this is the portal, uh, we start with the fact that uh, we apply within the framework of our powers and i, as an authorized member of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, have the legal opportunity to apply for duplicate documents of any citizen of ukraine, regardless of their age. so, for the first time, we are receiving duplicate birth certificates . who is specific to a child who

is in the territory of the russian federation or to a person, how should i clarify it, we are now talking about children who do not have legal guardians nearby. that is, these are kidnapped children without parents are most likely like that. but here in the territory of the russian federation, as a rule, according to the logic of the state, a terrorist is a terrorist, and ukrainian children a priori cannot legally have guardians. well, they think so, they even turn off our guardians, or do they receive documents from the russian according to russian legislation, and this is a separate issue, we observe how they prevent it as much as possible. take away from the ukrainian legal guardians

, so the next thing is to transfer the document either through adults who can accompany such children or directly to the child, then thirdly, we work out the logistical routes from a russian city to where we are on enemy territory, we will take the child out through what is the border so that it gets to the territory of one of the european countries that help us or other countries, again, i will not reveal many details to you because we returned a very small number of our ideas we want to return everyone who wants to, who wants to, who wants and wants to return to ukraine, that's the question, i didn't tell you what other situations they can make a decision about themselves, if they don't

have guardians there, they can contact and know where to go to contact the ukrainian side, we we are talking about teenagers, the truth is not necessarily that we have positive examples, for example, i can publicly say that we have just on the day of st. nicholas , december 19. we returned the boy serhiy, he is 16 years old, he was taken from mariupol and personal the representative for the children of the russian president is lvova bilova, she personally took him out by plane together with a group of our ukrainian children, then they showed this whole group and serhiy and to see the children so wanted to get to the territory of the russian federation, how satisfied they are, we took serhiy back and now in we have information clearly about how it happened, how the procedure took place, and this is a clear statement of the fact of the forced deportation

of children, and the highest leadership of the state took part in this. the terrorist, regarding the young children, managed to adopt correctly . dmitri, i have this boy, they sent him to a family where there were already four children and started the process of evaluation. yes, but the russian parents thought that they had already officially adopted him. i think it is a surprise for them that serhiy is already in the territory of ukraine , by the way again, his relationship with the children, er, this whole return operation, it took er, somewhere around three days, yes, they just know him already , the child has been gone for three days and they are here oh yes,

where is he and his typed when he was already in ukraine in kyiv ah ah and the most important thing is that yes we saw the desire of the child to leave the territory of the terrorist country, but it is also about small children when we are approached by relatives, when they contact us and say that we are here, we saw information that our close family children are there they are small, they were taken away by the russian federation, and here we are starting to help adults here, we have the same process, but we also accompany them on the territory of the russian federation, well, that is, what is the situation, what does the situation look like now with the possible exchange

of prisoners of war, you recently mentioned about the so-called false starts which are deliberately caused by the russian cats in order to torture our prisoners, maybe now you will hint how the process generally continues, the process continues as it continued, very difficult, not quite frankly, i will say that i like your definition of a false start, no, it is torture when the russian federation takes ukrainian prisoners of war , it gives information that we will take you out for exchanges e.e. he takes you somewhere and then returns and says that ukraine refused you, no one wants to take you away from us, we have a recorded case, just think about it policeman from mariupol he was taken out eight times allegedly for exchanges and returned back. i want to assure you that we will

not leave a single citizen of ukraine in the captivity of the russian federation. from our side there are requests for all of them. we really want and offer the russian side to exchange all of them. the federation does not agree to this and we record constant violations of the geneva conventions in terms of the treatment of our prisoners of war, their basic rights are violated, they are not provided with medical care and, in fact, they are not fed, they are not given water they don't provide personal hygiene products, they don't give the opportunity to correspond with relatives and friends , that is, russia in this regard, well, you know, the worst example of treatment of prisoners of war, mr. dmitry, access to our prisoners of war on the territory of the russian federation by international organizations is not only about the international red cross , it is possible about the organization of the united nations , that is, somehow this process is progressing, there is no single

international organization that is registered in the geneva conventions, this is the international committee of the red cross, this is the only organization in the world which has a mandate to visit prisoners of war from both sides of an international military conflict, i want to comment right away, you know, or they start criticizing me, this is not a conflict, this is a war, an international military conflict is a definition according to international humanitarian law and the geneva conventions, that's why we have what we have , that's the international committee in my opinion, the red cross does not fulfill its mandate, the russian federation does not allow it to visit ukrainian prisoners of war, and they do not insist on this publicly, and in my opinion point of view, this is the main problem, because on the other hand, we have the best examples, and this is precisely what the representatives of the international

committee of the red cross from ukraine note when we allow them to visit russian prisoners of war at any time. they communicate with them, we show that we comply with the geneva conventions, they everyone is provided with food , water and medical care, and this is the difference between us. yes, it is possible that our society will not like it very much, but that is what makes us different from terrorists, why do we fulfill our international obligations and thereby constantly showing how we treat captured russians, we demand that the international community, first of all, the international committee of the red cross, fulfilling its mandate , insist on protecting the rights of our ukrainian prisoners of war and civilian hostages in our country, this is a separate issue, a separate violation, thousands of our civilians are already several years and

the russian federation, once again, in accordance with all the laws of international humanitarian law , simply keeps them, tortures and kills them, and they pretend that nothing is happening in this the main problem is that the international system for the protection of the rights of prisoners of war and civilian hostages cannot deal with one terrorist country, ukraine, so we emphasize that either this institution will change or we will create an alternative, and now the ukrainian state and the ukrainian side of our diplomats are working on an alternative mission that can replace the international committee of the red khresta, as the ombudsman of ukraine, i officially appealed to my colleagues and ombudsmen of the world to consider this issue and initiate the creation of a new the organization of the mission of e-e ombudsmen who will

have the mandate to visit military bases and civilian hostages during international military conflicts mr. dmytro for inclusion for work dmytro lubinets commissioner of the verkhovna rada for the rights to the live broadcast of the espresso tv channel well, we continue to talk about the most important things, we are gradually summing up the results of the current week and one of the statements that sounded, in particular, from immanuel macron in our at least with you antenna somehow undeserved, well, it was overlooked in the el menu macron looks somewhat skeptically at the prospects of ukraine's accession to the north atlantic alliance as an option for security guarantees for us, in particular, we are talking about some alternative options, but what exactly the french president has in mind is not detailed at

the moment. public organization, center of applied research , international expert, we welcome you mr. andriy and iryna fries, people's deputy of ukraine , ms. iryna is also with us, congratulations, we are glad to see and hear if ms. iryna is with us, we will we hope that ms. fried will now resume contact with our studio. and now we will ask mr. karakuts, in particular, about the strange statement of macron , it is about the lack of prospects for ukraine to join nato, as far as we understand, it is about the context of guarantees for the russian federation, that is, macron did not just say this slandered after slandering, that is, there is a certain negotiation trend, and just in this speech he again mentioned these guarantees of security and the russian federation, and there, by the way, he began to draw such a

the picture of the post-war world order yes, in which tarant will be not only where ukraine, where russia , but also for such countries as moldova , georgia, and belarus itself, i.e. macron, he is not dealing with that, that is, not the reason for what is happening, yes, russian aggression and imperial policy, and i suggest there are already some ways to resolve this conflict. well, in this case, france wants to be specific . macron wants to be the leader on this track . yes, he offers some options of his own, and he also very interestingly pointed out in the same speech. yes, if about let's not talk about it, let's talk about it. that's how france remains a big country that it influences the negotiation process, but

let's watch it anyway, because they constantly hear macron's statement, they are based, by the way, on conversations with vladimir putin on some i understand promises that are worth nothing in reality, and this is how his public and public speeches are , on the contrary, they cause a lot of disgust. they also cause criticism from both ukraine and our partners and allies of the eastern countries europeans, well, first of all, such as poland and the baltic countries. that is, it is not popular for a long time , first it talks about the fact that nato is dead, then it says that nato is still alive and that even if ukraine is not taken there, well, in fact , there may still be security guarantees for ukraine, well, for me it is it is hard enough to imagine that with the accession of ukraine to nato, any new aggression by the russian federation will be impossible.

people's deputy of ukraine joins our broadcast, iryna, we are talking about the prospects of ukraine joining the north atlantic alliance again, money is for fish, as they say in the light of that well, such a president of macrom macron thanks antina who noted that ukraine is unlikely to join nato and here we are also talking about security guarantees for both ukraine and the russian federation to things including but how come we were already told that as soon as the war ends, just the next day we will be members of the european union and the north atlantic alliance, well at least they will feed ukrainian society with information for a longer time. i think that the speaker of the previous mr. andria absolutely correctly noted that this is only an object, the subjective opinion of one of the leaders of one of the countries of the european union

. parties in france but at the same time, i am sure that mr. macron's personal ambitions actually sometimes prompt him to make loud statements, which he later tries to explain in some way, we ukrainians understand you are absolutely adequate that the only possible security for us is integration into nato, accordingly, we must not stop on the path of our euro-atlantic integration and, in principle, do everything so that nato understands that ukraine is a strong member of this community in the future. well, yes we understand that the situation is extremely difficult, yes, from the other side mr. andriy, we understand that the negotiations are ongoing, president zelenskyi made an extremely important visit to the united

states, we know part of the official protocol, we heard extremely strong and correct statements from on the part of president macron, at the same time, the key issue remains the unofficial part and, in particular, the main manifestation of how successful the negotiations were, it is about the main indicator for me personally, this is the supply of heavy equipment by the united states or allies of the united states in the euro-atlantic community, which are located on the european continent, that is, for me, the indicator is the presence of heavy tank equipment and possibly long-range missile systems mr. andriy how do you assess the consequences , we are talking about the real plane and not about we will really see the financial dimension of the meeting between president zelenskyi and joseph biden. i think in the coming weeks such statements are usually not made by one side , that is, from the very beginning of the country, the partners

adopted the principle that they agree jointly and here are these rammsteins and these conferences in the rammstein format just as they usually announce such large deliveries such radical changes in philosophy in general supplies and just this visit let's remember what he mentioned about tanks and he did not say so there are some specific leopards or abrams, but he did mention that tanks are being discussed, long-range weapons are also being discussed, and we will see that when these leaders come out of their christmas holidays . do you see good news from this direction, maybe you have some additional party information, you know. i think it is worth looking back a little and remember how on all international

platforms ukrainian politicians, diplomats , representatives of the executive branch of government, the president tried to get the first javelins on it took a very long time i want to add to this that after a large-scale invasion we see how our one of the main partners of the united states of america is providing us with weapons that before in principle were not even supposed to be provided now i'm talking about the system patriot, i think that in the future the fact that biden said that he remains loyal to supporting ukraine is a key message, that is, the usa will not leave ukraine alone in this war and will give us so much weapons how much will we need in order to provide a final repulse to the aggressor, the only problem is that we have a situation when er this time

which for us in which for us are calculated with you er huge incredible losses could actually be shortened and give us heavy weapons without delaying or delaying it for a long time in the drawer of bureaucratic procedures. according to analysts' calculations, from february 24 to today , the united states of america has already allocated for the military needs of our country in the region of 20 billion dollars well, this is a straight story, if we speak, we now understand the emphasis of the defense budget of the united states for the next year, 42 billion e.e. for ukraine and nato allies, how do we understand mr. andriy , doesn't this mean that in the states some decision has been made, a decision has matured after all, to culminate

uh from your side, as far as possible , the solution of the war of the russian federation against us and really, let's say so, to limit the aid to us, including the armed one, i think that if you compare precisely the absurd numbers, then military funding will be comparable in 2023 in 2022 a-a but i think that the united states will uh-uh try very hard for the european allies to increase the supply of military equipment yes and at least well at least there was some parity in that sense because the united states is currently the main donor military aid, that is, not only financial aid, but military aid from e countries of europe should be increased next year, and if this is achieved, i think that this will be proof that

nato and its european allies really are they may be able to strengthen their security by providing assistance to ukraine, yes. that is, it is already clear to us, and it is already becoming clear to the leadership and population of these states, so we really need to look optimistically at the 23rd year. and you. the question is that these weapons, yes, it is necessary to they were supplied systematically so that it was not some different, er, different modifications, that is, that it was an already developed format that would help ukraine to conduct successful offensive operations, well , accordingly, we have a question for the people's deputy of iryna fry of spain, iryna for your opinion, how powerful is the signal from the european commission in general of the european

union ? commission regarding the introduction of relevant changes to the law that was adopted the day before, because we understand that any blocking of the judicial reform will actually affect our further relations with the european union , in particular, and maintaining the status of a candidate. i am not talking about membership, so any uh, you know, such behind-the-scenes intrigues as or devices with which they are trying, in principle, to put sticks in the wheels of our european integration , from my point of view, should be eliminated on your opinion, what steps can be taken by our european partners. can they dare to deprive us of this

extremely necessary status? yes. well, it seemed that the story with the constitutional court is important but not so strategic or maybe they think differently. i think that the issue of the constitutional court is considered in the context of the entire judicial reform and the obligations that the government has assumed, that is why any such steps that make it impossible for the court to continue or implement the judicial reform will be considered by our partners as ukraine's reluctance to fulfill its obligations. i am sure that the european commission, which is fully supported by us today , will do everything, including through diplomatic channels, to convey to the representatives of the authorities regarding the need to make appropriate changes and adopt such legislative acts that will give quality signals to our partners and not slow down our european integration path mr. andrii

, one last minute, literally, we understand that the european union is waiting for the law regarding the reform to change somewhat of the constitutional court, i have already made an official statement, in particular, we do not know whether they will do it, but in your opinion, the support from european partners, and the war , does the war still give an indulgence for non-compliance er, given the commitments to it, it is clear that during the war, the attitude towards ukraine will be er, a little different, but let's put it this way, it's not in the interests of the european union, it's in the interests of ukraine to adopt these laws and it is rather our entry into this organization and we do not want to follow the same path as the countries of the western balkans, for example, montenegro has been a candidate for just 10 years, and we will not wait 10 years, so we ourselves yes