on christmas day, we will all gather together like now at the festive table, i think there will be a festively powerful face of these people. courage and bravery, they are safe, but the thoughts of each of them are about home and they believe that very soon they will return to their loved ones, such a ukrainian christmas in cambridge, and this is the end of the issue we will return to the air on wednesday, december 28th, me and all my colleagues who prepared this broadcast for you, we say goodbye and see you, people suffering from rheumatism. but arthritic is impossible to get used to it, it does not allow to move. i tried everything and in the pharmacy i

i bought dolgit yellow cream, it relieves pain in rheumatism, reduces swelling and improves joint mobility. dolgit is the only yellow cream for joint and back pain. mykolaiv hurries across the field, through the grove, in his bag, he brings us gifts, tanks, javelins, planes and mines, guns and cartridges, rockets and drones. mykolaiv is in a hurry tour the road will give the ukrainians a complete victory merry christmas and happy new year iryna koval mother wife host of espresso tv channel and i am also a volunteer our military at the front need a lot of things every day and that is why part of my life today - this is help to the armed forces of ukraine and i am very

grateful to my colleagues that they support me in this. now i walk through unfamiliar lviv, not kyiv. i go into an unfamiliar coffee shop and drink delicious lviv coffee. everything alive and everyone alive in ukraine owes the army to the army. the miracle of life and the army are synonymous words in ukraine, because without the army there is no life, helping the army means helping the ukrainian army with your life, and life will defeat death, each of you can help, even a small contribution to the support of the army saves the lives of our soldiers and our victory is approaching, let's listen to people suffering from rheumatism. it's arthritic

, it's impossible to get used to it, it doesn't allow you to move . i've tried everything. and at the pharmacy, i bought a yellow dolgit cream. it saves me from the pain of rheumatism, it numbs the mobility of the joints and the back. congratulations, friends. good health. i, ladies and gentlemen, vitaliy portnikov and mykola veresen, will be here with you until 11 p.m., well, i will try to explain what is happening in the world. i imagine so. well, we will not try by ourselves. and we will help different important people of experts, a military expert, a participant in

peacekeeping positions, reserve colonel serhiy grabskyi is with us, i hope oleksandr khara , an expert on foreign and security policy of the center for defense strategies of good health, e-e thank you for taking the time to join us on friday evening, and i am not i know who would be the first to answer, probably mr. count. this is really a panacea, this patriot, because the word patriot. now it has a distinct meaning, not an emotional and moral, but a physical battery. the patriot , as if the americans volunteered to give ukraine a gift, and the question arises, everyone shouts like that. there is an impression that the sky will be closed, what are the patriots and how do they eat the patriot - this is a relatively new system, but we say relatively new because it was developed during the cold war and it is designed to combat a fairly large range of air targets and most importantly for us, including with ballistic missiles of tactical e-e radio

, judge that for us they can establish a rather serious problem in the near future. is because it has certain limits to its use, it is relatively effective, and there is no such air defense system in the world, that is, a single complex of this type that can provide one hundred percent coverage of the air corps and cover of ground objects . about how much we get, because for the largest country in europe, one battery is a little bit too much . - it is very good for 100, we are happy, we will use it. but we need more of them, we need more of them, mr. sergey, one more question . i apologize, oleksandr, just clarifying, and

if we take all the systems that are in ukraine today, all of them are anti-aircraft, then what number are we at? we can get out, we can knock down 90% 93.85 or 15 how much is it, how much is the potential of all the anti-aircraft systems that exist in ukraine, and the maximum potential from what we see, well, in terms of efficiency, it is a maximum of 70%. that's all we can do for today day to reach eh, you can still achieve a certain level of efficiency due to the coordination of actions of different levels of air defense, but this indicator can reach a maximum of 80%

. - blah, for putin to say about this nuclear family, uh, and whatever, when putin says it, i’m sorry, maybe i’m like that, ignoring the state of my head, but i never pay attention to it , because i always show my american phone and say when we when the russians they will make such a phone, maybe then i will start thinking about the nuclear triad, dviad, quadriad, and so on, we can't even imagine whether it will fly. as i understand it, technologically, this is an extremely complex system, a submarine, that plane - it's just, well, an incomprehensible scientific and technical development. and judging by the fact that we see the russians on the battlefield. why should we believe that putin has this nuclear weapon? for the audience, i will tell you. these are just missiles that are standing somewhere buried in the

ground and can fly. these are airplanes that can be used to launch these missiles and submarines on which all the missiles are on par hara how much should we be afraid of the nuclear order of the russian federation? well, we should certainly be afraid of the nuclear order of the soviet union, because i am sure that if they built one close to the shores for hundreds of billions of dollars, they would probably be right, but in reality we are dealing with the consequences, let's say so, of activities first the treason of certain communists from the united states who passed the secret to the soviet union , they created the language . they launched submarines into certain missile launchers, they are definitely trying to scare the world with this sarmatian, i think that it should be taken seriously that they have other issues - it is serious to give and restrain the russian

federation so that it does not use it, i do not mean ukraine, definitely because we do not have such means. i mean primarily the united states and their european allies, and in principle this deterrence has been working since the moment when mr. biden spoke about a possible armageddon and everyone criticized him including me and then i realized that i made a mistake from this moment on it means the exchange between russia and the non-aligned states er intercontinental ballistic missiles that will lead to the extermination of all living things on earth but biden used this term this word a -a bearing in mind that if russia uses nuclear tactical weapons against ukraine to drop a nuclear bomb on the territory of ukraine, the united states will be forced to respond not necessarily with nuclear weapons, and then this escalation may lead to a mutual exchange, so and so when he

spoke about armageddon, he warned putin publicly that this should not be done, then the conversations were at the same level as naryshkina and this sullivan, and then there was a very important thing. said this about a month ago in gibraltar at the base of the british navy, the americans openly showed their most modern nuclear submarine of the agaye rotland class, which has dozens of cruise missiles with nuclear warheads on board, that is, there was a public warning to putin, negotiations were closed in these are, let's say, people who are involved in nuclear deterrence and there was an iron demonstration that there is a will to use it, and after that putin became

deflated and did not say anything for a while. before the so-called diplomatic negotiations, he will periodically scare the world with nuclear weapons. okay, now again about putin, if we have already started, maybe we can go back to mr. oleksandr or mr. sergey, i had two questions about this week's visit of putin to mr. lukashenko in minsk, it must be said in minsk speaking in belarusian is something serious , because i don’t know here, i have supporters, but i constantly said that i absolutely do not believe in the possibility of an attack from the north, i can believe in provocations, i can believe in escalation, and maybe something else, but believe that how this political animal called lukashenko did not attack ukraine in march or at the end of february, and now he will attack

, or will he help on the ground? i don't believe it and i don't think it's possible. rational for now no matter how lukashenka was, he is definitely not suicidal and he does not want to lose the opportunity to stay in power. because uh, it means these body-backs or coffins that will go from ukraine to belarus, they will cause a greater resonance and reaction of belarusian society than russian society yes, that is, in principle, we see that it is one people, it is a little different, yes, belarusians, they are no different from ukrainians, but they are definitely not russians, and the second point is definitely that in fact, the belarusian government, of all this zelensky, is holding on to its own bayonets and of the russians and of course he has to maneuver , he has to show some loyalty, he has to promise this alliance agreement with the general

security space there, threaten poland and other things, but it seems to me that there are other things, well, first of all, putin came to support that junior partner, because of course this is a big, big signal of confidence, especially the quilters who are also there in belarus, but it seems to me that the key thing there is not even training, not preparing weapons, repairs, which i will then be someone who rushes to us, and this is nuclear weapons again, let's remember that, in fact, when the pseudo-referendum was held in belarus, the clause on the non- nuclear status of this country was removed from the constitution, and lukashenko , not for the first time, said that because the poles are threatening there, or nato is threatening, some missiles must be deployed or bombers or something like that? actually, during these meetings with putin, putin hinted that belarusian pilots are already training on planes that are capable of carrying non-traditional or

non-standard weapons. nuclear weapons and i think this is the key thing that was discussed in principle, there was definitely gas, oil and loans and all other participation in the war, but this is the nuclear context , it is extremely important, and if there is something to say to mr. sergey, please, if possible develop an opinion about putin's visit to lukashenka, if there are any, do you have specific thoughts. please, and if not, i will ask one more question , literally, briefly. made but in fact, we have a situation where lukashenko has done everything possible and now, you know, he has only the last step left to announce mobilization, because since the spring we have been observing such movements that speak of the preparation and verification of mob resources, testing

of equipment, constant training, improvement of interaction and combat coordination, there is a constant rotation units of the belarusian army on our borders when we talked about six battalions of tactical groups, but it must be understood that this level is actually today optimal is enough to create a certain tension and let's be frank. well, without taking advantage of this opportunity in march, now any offensive on the territory of ukraine for the belarusians will be suicide and self- destruction, they understand this very well on their part and understand it. by the way, the russians, that's why i i can allow some, you know , demonstrative, provocative actions, but it is not necessary to talk about the fact that they will go on a large-scale offensive in the next month or two , because there are no grounds for this today, one more question

again to p. sergey look at the chess player and the strategists say this. they have a phrase like this. it is better to have a bad company plan than to change the plan during the campaign. when i heard that divisions were being deployed in russia. before that, there were battalions of tactical groups. i was very happy and started clapping. precisely because they are remaking it again, i.e. returning to the serdyukovsky style of divisions, companies, platoons, detachments, this is all soviet, which has already been forgotten in the new world, it is simply not, it is not considered yesterday, and when they began to organize again in the division, the first thing that i i thought that it must be

that more generals should be assigned to that division, and the second time i thought, well, it's great if they are now returning from the battalion of the tactical group to the division, then something needs to be changed again, some statutes, something else, and i think well, great, that means they will be a mess to continue, am i looking at it correctly, mr. serhiy, or not? mykola. unfortunately, i have to disappoint you. i have to disappoint you because russia is returning to its traditional methods of conducting hostilities , as it has been conducting those hostilities for a long time. the past at least 150 years and just the return to the regimental-divisional staff structure suggests that we will be dealing with what is absolutely familiar and well-known for russia, namely the mobilization army, such structures the mobilization army

can act uh. that is these are not professionals, this is a mass, but this mass has already been honed over the course of many companies and serdyukov army battalion tactical groups, showing their absolute inability and unsuitability for combat operations in ukraine, were canceled and they simply return to of the old mechanism and, unfortunately, very unfortunately, they know how to fight with these divisions. they know how to deal with this, if you can say so, and you have to understand that we can expect quite difficult times, because their army is actually trained, it cannot be fought in a different way and despite its er-er general rather low training and fighting capacity, it can simply crush the mass, which is again typical for the war of imperial russia, red russia er-er, and the soviet union, you said, mr. alexander,

if you can search i understand that you are not you are an expert in military affairs. but can you have any thoughts on this matter? i am just a little bit different. you know how before that, before a large-scale invasion, western experts who watched the training read their own philosophical reasoning. how will the modern war be conducted and definitely that it looked quite serious, let's say, and in fact the russian military opinion is quite so sophisticated. i would say so, but the real ones are completely different from the point of view of the essence of the regime itself, the essence of society and it seems to me that here is more sociology of political science, why did they not succeed in using the western approach? yes, there is btg. and these are the first and second points. to be honest, i do not know how effectively all this will work because, by and large

, we have already solved the question of most of the most combat-capable of the russian army otherwise, if russia has time, then they will have time to somehow prepare something. it will definitely not be the same army as it was before february 24. and that is precisely why diplomacy and the political will of our leadership are included here thank god they not only understand this, but they are convincing and convincing to our partners not to give russia a break, so that there are no cease-fires, and that's how it went in minsk, and of course it is an extremely important thing that we have to finish this scum while we are here there are forces while we are ahead in terms of generating our forces and means, and most importantly, of course, i return to the article of mr. zaluzhnyi for icons with e. he is correct, he says that he is probably a little more and scares our western partners so that they give us more now so that we do not lose the most valuable of our people and that we fulfill our tasks of

liberating our territories as soon as possible, of course, time is still on our side and in our favor, but this resource is limited. okay, i have one more question for you. well, many people are just talking about this, and one cannot help but ask about this law about the so-called law on deserters, for which commander-in-chief zuluzhny advocated and human rights defenders spoke against. that's what i want to say. although i'm not a human rights defender, but a journalist, i'm for zuluzhny, and you're a pankha. oh, you know me. is not it is not difficult for a specialist to comment on the essence of the law, but from another point of view, you know our society has shown since the 14th year that the state is important for them even when the state is not able to protect its citizens. and it seems to me that those who actually it also

seems to me that i have read criticism of this law from my colleagues. it seems to me that before any law is adopted, it was necessary to look at the calculations of whether it is possible to apply it on a large scale, that is, whether there are those people who will monitor it, will they use certain measures and other things, so it seems to me that i will not criticize, in fact, it has no right, but the expert environment itself and those who are so style holder yes, as they say, they should be involved in the development of this legislation, which is legal and, unfortunately, not what happened, please, mr. serhiy, what do you say as a specialist in signs, i, uh. if we talk about the foundations of a democratic society in peacetime, then of course i should be against this law because, in principle, the punishment is already prescribed in the criminal code and so on, but talking with my friends, those who are

now at the front, i am on the side of our commander-in-chief because, you know, the situation is non-standard, and well, as in any war, some democratic norms do not work, the discussion of such a law, i understand, it is permissible in peacetime, but wartime as a military man, i am completely on the side of the commanders-in-chief of the armed forces and support this law, and both questions are up to you, and such, well, do you understand the institutions for this law to be effective? that i i absolutely support the military and mr. zaluzhnyi, but there must be a mechanism, some kind of some kind of procedure, we learned that something happened if you and i were panhara mr. grafskyi and mr. portnikov found out well, what

did we learn, we have to have i don't know how to be prosecutors there, i don't know in the soviet there were unions, i don't remember what it's called. and there were forensic examiners in the army who did initial studies of some circumstances, but they didn't have such legal courses at all. yes, it's just an ordinary officer, something happened, he just had to record what happened, and then the professionals started working. and now i just have a hard time imagining how it can be evaluated . the general is undoubtedly right when he says, well, listen, if you left the location, then there is a double burden on the others. they get twice as much load if you left well, but who will it be, well, let's see who will decide it, let's go

yes, please, pograbsky military service of law and order we have military police in the army, this is the first and second, i myself was a military man i mean, this institute has not been abolished in the army. it is still working. oh, well, i just didn't know. i was convinced that this is a judicial, judicial, or investigative investigator. he is no longer there. thank you very much. such a policy of the center of defense strategy. thank you very much, i have many questions, but there is not much time left, because we have to move to belarus, francs, a shepherd, we have a belarusian public figure , an adviser to svitlana tikhanovsky, a leader, a leader and let's be so feminine, ah, the opposition of belarus, if he is in contact with us, then we are in good health, mr. evening. congratulations glory

to ukraine glory to the heroes yes well, maybe you have something, i talked, maybe in italy he wants to ask something and i'm saying something, i'm saying something, i understand it, no, i'm older than you by 8 years, he is. let's talk about this visit to minsk, because it was very strange to me to read all these conversations about putin going to put pressure on lukashenka by the way, poroshenko is coming to russia this time tomorrow and why couldn't he somehow? in order to pressure lukashenka to go somewhere when lukashenka has already been to russia seven times they met with putin in samarkand they met with putin in bishkek they met with putin in yerevan we me i think i'm all no it's 7 times in russia plus 3 times outside of russia, this is the 11th time in a year and it will be the

12th . i i don't think that putin was trying to pressure them, they play as a couple, they play such a show, it is very beneficial for putin that lukashenko does not look like a vassal, does not look like a puppet, but looks like a real and independent sovereign, then it is more serious, it is not only russia that attacked ukraine, but it is already the whole coalition and they are selling it both to the russian society and to the belarusian audience, as well as to the third world countries of africa, central latin america, which then vote at the geno assembly either neutral or in support of russia and for it is very important for putin to support lukashenka to him, it is cheap for him, it is profitable, he has no one to replace lukashenko lukashenko now looks more pro-russian than many er

russian officials and propagandists er, he speaks even more harshly than peskov in his latest interviews and comments and putin likes it. and here he took all his education, took what he took, who else was lavrov , and did something like say a visit to the province, amuse gauleiter, thank him , and a whole performance in front of journalists and how friendly they are as a family, but look, it’s such a provocative question of francs. and if you imagine an attack like this today, tomorrow, the day after tomorrow, god forbid, on the 28th, 25,000 russians and 10,000 belarusians will attack ukraine from the north of ukraine, what will happen ? will happen in belarus, will these belarusian troops go or will they

return their weapons against the russians? will they obey the russians or the nation as a whole? belarusians will say we support him, we will go out, or belarusian partisans will say then we will then there will be an explosion. railroads, what can be the reaction of me, what can be the real reaction of you, like the belarusian asks, it is quite difficult to predict because it is different from russia, there is no support in belarus regarding this war, we can see how ordinary belarusians react, how the nomenclature officers do not react even the security forces they do not understand poland and getting involved in this war poland why die for putin and lukashenka and there are several options album we will observe acts of pre-order banal sabotage non-compliance with orders can there will also be an assembly of weapons when someone physically

from the belarusians is sent to ukraine . of course, it depends on who they send, because there are several, maybe even up to 2,000 scumbags who will serve loyally for money and shoot wherever they are told, but when they send half an army there from 10 there are 15 to 15,000 military personnel. i think that we will observe mass desertion facts. we have already prepared such instructions on what to do when you are sent to war . i think that lukashenko also understands this, so he will do everything to prevent this from happening . then it will be clear to everyone that he does not control the army and then it will be a collapse for his entire system. he will try to do it now. it gives the impression that he has seized control after 20- of the year that everyone is listening to him, but when will such an attack with the participation of belarusians take place, all this all this imitation all this house of cards

can very quickly