belarusians will be sent to ukraine . of course, it depends on who is sent there, because there are several, maybe even up to 2,000 scumbags who will serve faithfully for money and shoot wherever they are told, but when they are sent there, uh, half an army there, from 10 there to 15 15,000 soldiers. i think we will observe mass desertions. we have already prepared the following instructions: what to do when you are sent to war, where to turn yourself in. understands that's why he will do it everything so that this does not happen, then it is clear to everyone that he does not control the army and then it will be a collapse for his entire system . he will try now to create the impression that he is again in control after the 20th year, that everyone listens to him obediently, but when such an attack will take place with the participation of the belarusians

, this whole this whole this imitation this whole house of cards can collapse very quickly in principle this very situation is connected with the presence of russian troops from belarus, can it not lead to the fact that at least in a certain moment, these troops can simply seize control of the state itself, which then can be contrasted with a strong society with a strong identity with an understanding of the importance of protecting one's country, one's independence, and after the 20th year, such a mood appeared very strong in various in various groups of belarusian society, the people are the things of the officials, they suddenly realized that they are not russia, but after the war, these national patriotic feelings even strengthened, they look at their relatives there or friends in russia and twist their fingers in their temples, what are you

stupid belarusians, belarusians have also woken up national honor and that's why i think that the further we go, the more we will see insubordinates and sabotage among officials, and the only problem is that lukashenka in 28 years invented a whole fairy tale for the ambassador of officials who are not have no opinion, they are called technocrats in western countries, but i would call them simply obedient and loyal slaves, and i am sure that not all of them are like that, but there are a lot of them, and they will be silent, but there will be a part of those who speak loudly they will protest loudly when the war started, you know, many people contacted us, of course they want to preserve their future, they understand that when putin and lukashenka fall, something will have to be done with the

new government and they want some path, a loophole, a bridge to the future lay well, we say, if you want to help belarus, then you should at least share information, and thanks to this, we now have many sources of information to find out what is happening in the economy and what is happening in the military, part x unfortunately, it is not there among those especially close to lukashenka, but there are some feelings and moods, we can measure this, precisely about this is my question , see the next one, because we talked, you talked about the bureaucracy, the military bureaucracy, and they said that some have no thoughts in their heads none, and some have something awakening, but there are the current situation on the battlefield, well, if it is already screaming that russia can lose and a huge number of western countries

say that ukraine cannot lose, then the question arises of the way, both physical and political, to gagra zmensk is much closer than from moscow if moscow can make a trade, and i will put a member of the un security council on arms. well, in short, there is something to bargain about, there is a large army there, crimea is ours, so there is no trade for lukashenko, his supporter. in the form of nuclear weapons, but lukashenka does not have an ace up his sleeve, what is his entourage thinking of doing, well, do they have any such thoughts, i do not believe that they have no thoughts, they look at kharkiv, they look at kherson, they look at kyiv, they look at chernihiv and they say yo-mayo what are they the khokhly are winning, damn it, those who watch

understand this, but many live in their own bubble, where they watch the first channel, belarus one, belarus two, belarus three, then russia , one satellite, when in 20-21 they destroyed the media, hundreds of small ones came very quickly and great russian artists who simply filled this information void, and here the task is, of course, for us to somehow block and, well, fight this propaganda, but everything depends on this. in what information space and from what sources do people get information and those who follow behind ukraine by the way, 11% of belarusians watch ukrainian media, it is interesting because before the war it was 2% only watch, they understand and they are looking for how to help. what can they do to change, but many simply do not

have enough information, but what can be said about shostky there, lukashenka and so on, i think that when the big auction begins, it will not be lukashenko that will be traded, but lukashenka and belarus will be traded, and it is very important for putin to have this contingent as large as possible throughout belarus and its agents of each institution so that later when ukraine begins to win, it is necessary to negotiate about peace, then he will say well, then i will leave belarus for myself, and here it will be a very important moment for the west to be ready to firmly stand that belarus should be independent, but also for belarus, belarusian society, the belarusian nomenclature to also have their say e- so that there were no trade and commerce with belarus and belarusian sovereignty and belarus did not become such a consolation prize for lukashenka for putin yes vitalik excuse me that is, among the opinions of various no no

the thought about the trade of belarusians is ruled out. well, conditionally speaking, putin, in order to get rid of the west, will say well, yes, i didn’t go. he takes lukashenka and he means there are generals or something like that . i will withdraw there from donetsk region, luhansk region, it may be about crimea, but i will leave belarus for myself and the war-established west will say well, okay, leave the main reconciliation to belarus, this war tastes very expensive, and here it will be very important to stand firm for belarusians and the world. and why do you think in general, mr. franik, what is putin's mood, are you somewhere in the donbass or crimea, or his moods, which statements show that he generally wants to go back to the intersection, i hope that he will not have

a choice like this, but no, i also think that it is possible to reduce it, at least this choice is people, mr. frank, and there are people, for example, around you, around tikhonovskaya, who today are developing a plan of action. lukashenka, the first step is this, the second is this, the third is this, the fourth is this, and we are going to a liberal version of belarus instead of a socialist soviet one, then it will be clear for the west, with whom we are playing, what we are playing for, what we are investing in , etc. and yes, there is our

proposal, which we passed on to our main partners and what, by the way, we discussed with the ukrainian authorities, the first important thing is to withdraw russian troops from belarusian territory, and therefore when there will be conditions for the withdrawal of russian troops from ukraine, we also say that belarus must also be withdrawn , otherwise belarus and these troops on belarusian territory will pose a threat to europe and ukraine in the future. reforms in the economic and political sphere in order to prevent a new lukashenko and quickly all steps necessary for e-e for european integration where the establishment of relations with ukraine by western partners and neighboring states will be very important as

there will only be a window of opportunity for belarus to separate belarus from russia forever and ever, because if the empire is not defeated forever, if this imperial chauvinist remains there, how will there be a fire? we must be sure that belarus will not become the first again the first or among the first victims if this empire is restored there now in years and that is why we are now talking about some plan of the european perspective for belarus integration into european processes is possible european days partnership can be this is the first step we took - a certain measure this year for the sake of europe, you know that belarus was the only country in europe that was not a member of the council of europe and now the council of europe threw out the lukashenka delegation and created a contact group for relations with belarusians wherever representatives of democratic forces, and this

will be the first step for belarus to join the council of europe, and it is clear that the termination of all agreements between lukashenka and putin, signed after the 20th year. and ideally, the exit from all these binding unions of the dkb type the eurasian union, which simply destroys our independence and keeps us on a leash from moscow, but look, this was not the content of the content of 2020 at the beginning of the election campaign, in fact there were no politicians in these election campaigns who said the same things as you are saying now. things are possible that is why there was no or there was no there was no there was no

the protests came out in such a way that in order to overthrow lukashenka, new elections should be held, but this is this consciousness, this is the national, uh, belarusian identity, it was born at these protests, people tested the belarusian historical flags and white-red-white became popular, then the belarusian language began to speak in belarusian, that's all the process was launched in the 20th year, then everything was only about internal affairs, but the war catalyzed the process of establishing the belarusian nation, and now it is very important to hide it. unfortunately, the elite intelligentsia were squeezed out of the country and many people went to prison, and that's why now it's a challenge for us democratic forces to hide er and culture and identity, to conduct all this development, development well, how is this bonfire, er, national, even if there is a dorobok yes yes

to return it later as soon as it is the opportunity to return to belarus because of this, many countries that were under soviet occupation passed through. well, it is possible that belarus will also have to pass through. thank you, mr. franik franek, the party was held by public figures. questions, everything is correct. thank you. so we will talk now with our next guests. and by the way, we will speak in russian, because among our guests, all americans and not all understand ukrainians, understand the ukrainian language of volodymyr zelenskyi, and the congress will be ukrainian-speaking, and the decision has already been made by the technologist and political consultant jason james march and political public figure yurashkin good evening hello we are in russian in russian yes, i know what they will say in their first words, mr. yury rashkin , he will apologize for that it has been a month now

прошёл а он still hasn't learned the ukrainian ukrainian language hello, economy, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, let's try to summarize the results of the president of ukraine's trip to the united states, a historical, unconditionally visiting tamfone, they will be many, many still speak afterwards, yes, when the war is over, that's an event. well, that 's how. you took this trip jason please jason and of course i think that this trip was not only very useful, that is, the sweater is useful for americans and ego introduced and the congress of egos, will i meet you , everything is correct, it means that we can see that such a fatherhood, and we believe that you will look when ukraine is more, it is more, it is more, i see that there is an interest in the screen. and zelenskyi, this is ukraine. and the most important thing is that you will end up with a family congress. i myself was worried a

lot that i am a republican party that washington and the congress of 18 are working against ukraine, or simply do not work with the forces of ukraine, or say. well, i already see that there will be a very long term ready to work with ukraine, and uh, i really like it, i’m going to go and i’m very glad that you are actually leading the guy who was guided by this process, and he did a lot of things to ukraine. yes , yuriy, look, i don't know about this, they are talking about it in america, they are probably talking about it, because in ukraine they are talking about it 81 hours ago, almost every day, on the 26th, it was the number of days when churchill spoke in front of the congress, and it was just absolutely, he broke the entire political elite of the united states with thanks to er, to the american president and the people for the fact that we are now together and we will fight together

against hitler, this will all be measured in 50 years, er , we will consider it in american textbooks, ukrainian, i hope russian churchill's great speech zelensky's great speech is possible, but i think that this inevitably, only i think that they will compare the devil through zelensky, yes, a black man, even with zelensky . what i don't know is if he wins the elections in ukraine, what kind of political future does he have? the trip was just historically possible, biblically, i don’t know, but it will secure the support of an ally for

many years, such an ally, which i think vladimir is letting go, only he was dreaming. imagine living a complete failure for putin . they had to analyze it and it turns out the other way around in the white house, suitor and all the people who stand are paid to him , and now 45 billion dollars in aid will be given to ukraine, this is an incredible victory for the ukrainian people, who deserved this victory, as zelensky said, he has already won in the minds of eh peace and now it remains to convince on the battlefield and we think that it is somehow inevitable and the fact that the president of ukraine came and spoke eh this was very important to the americans because it somehow united us together helped unite around something of the positive, it's almost that cry- christmas chrisman, sleep in peace, call, see , the president of ukraine himself arrived, and of course, there are people who are unhappy and

say that the sweater came out to you. well, there are people who say the same with people who said that obama simply betrayed his office. svetom kostoume so that's how interesting the critics will be. jason please tell me this is a serious question except for such a moral and financial 45 billion and military aid in the direction of ukraine . the voice of the pro-russian segment has decreased. politician, that is, this visit had a positive effect on ukraine, europe, and the world. but if there are any negative elements for putin and russia, here is a thought on this account please. i would say that we do not have a faction that is confused, i would say that it is simply against

expenses, that is, they are against everything to help in ukraine, like the idols of other countries, and those who are really confused, but it’s better, there are such people, but it’s very little, that is, two freedoms, you can start, three are asking for society , and even you, the congress, those who are. and if money in ukraine, it's not because we love putin, but because they simply don't cook and new expenses are overcooked with taxes, and from that, i think that this is yours, even though it's louis, it's members congress , which does not want to help ukraine. i saw you on all channels, everywhere, all the newspapers wrote about it. i think that our cameras are the size of this. it can be seen that the vote against voted against the interests of ukraine is probably not good. work against in ukraine you on

yury plays the idea. look, uh, someone would talk about it, even with you, even in an academic environment. discussion of the future of russia for ukrainians is very important . russia will be saved . russia will be nuclear again . will say that in the 91st year we will be good and russia will be given a few bush legs and disposable syringes as i remember. we were waiting for this war believed. these are the people i would say , uh, well, there are many people like the french president. what is needed is a little guarantee to russia, they will not offend him. she is good. in general, she is getting better. you

know, after what russia has done to our in the elections of the 16th year, she lost the last remnants of any good mood from our country, the behavior of good will, because we see that these people are actively asking for a flat , it will affect who will be our leader, it is dangerous , it is worth it, so since then russia looks like an absolute adversary here. and that's why i agree with jason. you can protest about the waste of our taxpayer money, but supporting putin is already too much. the war with ukraine will not end with the action on this, it will be a continuation, that is, the warring parties that will explode and, as general donkhodzhis says, we must be ready for the fact that russia will fall apart and just something about it. how are we going to have plans because we say

we were not ready, where was the year when everything fell apart ? так далее so что это идеи продаже жить очень вопрос очень очень политикрокрентый просмоть очень очень онжет отвещать не запроспайте and i can leave the ethers smytpravit eh, of course you are leaving, you are a free man in a free country , what did we stand for, what are we fighting for, what is each the day i work, it depends on you, if you want to go out, go out, look, it's very important. and there is understanding. i listened to a sociologist today, and he spoke good russian, and he spoke good russian, and he

said , "i said good." the problem here is that we are discussing the so-called russian opposition and the russian government. the truth is that the russian people are sick. the people are not putin, it is not the kremlin or not only the kremlin war - it is the russian people who actually support putin by 80% if you understand jason please write that this is a problem, let's not say that it's very politically correct, it doesn't end in the kremlin. it's not only the kremlin's problem, there are 140 million of them. okay, there are 139 or 130 million people who think like this, they want to live like this . i am not afraid of this, we are looking at history. that is, i have nothing to hide during the war in the game money as well as vypony. and this

was the countries that were, well, the fascist countries , that is, the position of the population against the reason of my country. well, i do not believe such a person as this physicist, well, on a free day, he does n’t hear it anymore, not in his pocket, not in japan. and it’s the shoes of the country , which is the first world of the country, which is working for you. well, it’s obvious to america , but everything in europe is under control, is it obvious that it’s on the potency of europe, eh? i think that this is already history, that is, the population, that who thinks about it , according to me, that is possible, that is, the dryest japan, for example, it is strange that there is no democratic history and tradition that will disappear someday, you three, which traditions will be a democratic country. how does the euros have no tradition of democracy at all, but still, this society taught me how to live in democracy and how to

say how to build democrats. to if they wish and don't believe, what kind of mixed things are difficult to catch on gas, honestly, it's very difficult to catch well, you don't give what we can. america and the union occupied japan and germany , so something like this must happen because i agree with jason, but on the other hand, i sit and think and who will teach them where are these russian people who will be able to become the authorities of russia in russia say no we will not love stalin no we will not we will love an attack on ukraine

or there on georgia or on moldova and this is all prohibited, this is legally impossible, we put in prison such people who love stalin and so on. mykola, i think that in the end it is not necessary to develop external governance, it is necessary to come to this because democracy is what people in cities develop their power in the place where they live, and they wait for the state he does it for them, and i slightly disagree in the sense that i don't know. we don't know how many people actually support the idea of ​​a general war against ukraine in russia. we know that there are very many of them. it seems to me that it is 140 million people are people who are trying to survive in this country, they are trying to tell what kind of fairy tale they have to believe in order to survive in this

country this is all the time and one of the two main threats. as krychinsky says, it is lubyanka and the remains, and therefore it is necessary to stop the remains first so that people understand that lubyanka is their main enemy and after that they develop themselves . management so that they could solve and develop themselves. more active, go, start conquering, you understand, conquering russia, you are such an expensive business. and we have, like the

dressers , there are many more best places. large unnecessary territory. let the refining companies develop their dollars and i. 24 february, everything will stop, the third option, that one krym, russia will remain, that's all, that's all, everything will be discussed. he wants to make it very clear that he is putting forward the same demands that were before february 24, and he was forced to go to ukraine, and they were up there . does not want to talk about anything or with anyone, what is the meaning of the fact that we are in the west and here in ukraine we are discussing

options for ending the war, while russia is discussing options for its continuation, that is, you know, i see the situation as such that after the war, what will be further and very important this is the real thing that will be in your tone, and i think that the americans who are now better than the others were stolen. well, they spent it, that is, it is smaller . now in ukraine, written news. further, if they think that there will be mowing in the bathroom and for him to say that for that reason, putin's fest sucks. and this is important, then take the best ones . we think about the end. - uh, very much i wonder how it is, well, how many of them will there be something when the speed ends especially because of that iz etogo that in india 3 and in russia if the seniors

have many problems, the moment is special, economic problems, special features of inflation. the prize was a month ago, what are our patriots, and secondly, what are the brands of the other missiles, just that i think there are serious opportunities, the economic clap is not dew, and i’m interested in what’s next, and i know in fact how the signs of the dew situation are. and these interest me house, but it is precisely the city that they are talking about. well, what do you mean? this definitely affects the situation in ukraine, and yuri will add something. no, it’s simple. it seems to me that the negotiations, the ideas of the negotiations, are mostly trolls now, because we see how putin is trying to talk about what ukraine does not give us. he will negotiate with his laws. well, i'm sorry .