by president putin, there may not be any agreements, i would not like to emphasize this thesis too much , so to speak. this is my absolute assumption. that is, it is more of a party visit and it did not bring and could not bring any concrete results. thank you very much , mr. volodymyr, for your comments. volodymyr khondagiy, president of the ukrainian association of foreign policy, the ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary is next to join oleksandr levchenko, diplomat , ambassador extraordinary plenipotentiary in the republic of croatia from

2010 to 2017, in bosnia igor cegovina from the 11th to the 17th, we will talk with him about these countries, the press reports that after the kremlin's open attack on ukraine, tens of thousands of russians have already settled in the capital of serbia , went there, fled, and for migrants from russia, belgrade is becoming the new casablanca, that's what they called belgrade, oleksandr, we congratulate you. good day, congratulations. well, let's start with this please comment. there is such a large number of russians who have already visited the capital of serbia . what does this mean, or will there be more? well, you know that europeans do not let russia in, far from everyone who has visas and multiple-entry visas and so on, so they actually have them. those left are belgrade, this is istanbul, this is the union of the

arab emirates. where are they going now? these are those who have money, those who don't have money, it's clear that they 're not sitting in the right place. opened a representative office in belgrade so that there some liberal opposition didn't do something, didn't say something, didn't think, didn't promote, and so on. well, actually, moscow's efforts to manage the situation in serbia , including due to this forced migration, it's just obvious, we see a certain cream of belgrade's official policy towards the kremlin , the studio is just interesting how many, what number of russians who left the country and went, how do you estimate it, i don't keep records, i don't see what the police probably have these numbers, i haven't

come across such numbers, but some say that in fact the russians occupied serbia without a war panasampered studio, i will advertise our site from the press, tv, come in, read, look at us there, which reports on what is the latest information, referring to the router, our site reports that kosovo they appealed to the nato troops to the nato troops with a request to transport the former serbian policeman, because the kosovar servers were installed on there are barricades on the roads and they do not allow him to pass by land . it is known that kosovo has requested that the ex- policeman be transported by plane. accused of attacking local police officers during a previous protest action, this led to a new outbreak of protest mood among kosovar serbs who demand the removal of policemen from clinical municipalities, in general, they are trying to transfer him to another place, said the three internal affairs of kosovo, jere e svechyla, that

he has a pantich to be in a pre-trial detention center and not in a police station, that is why we asked our international partners to transfer him to the appropriate institution, i.e. i understand correctly that the local authorities of kosovo does not currently control a part of the territory, in particular the northern microvitsa of its territories, kosovo means that they cannot even transfer prisoners or detained people, please, well, this is after their place where they live concentratedly is already a lot the reason for the escalation of the situation is the arrest of this pandich and so on, so i don't know if the international community, so to speak, will respond to this, because it will, so to speak , further escalate, and so on, whether it is necessary is it necessary or what should be done with them next? and so

on. it is clear that this was taken advantage of by the radicals of the council, who immediately called on the serbian minority to indirectly take to the streets, block border crossings, block streets, and so on. this is one of the reasons, including the fact that this so-called former policeman they were detained, there are probably reasons for what they did, and no one wants to give in, but the europeans will think and make the right decision whether to help the kosovo authorities. regarding his transportation to the capital, the reason . to then unblock all the border crossings, what uh, what roads is the local self, who already did it two weeks ago, the studio, well, the

day before yesterday, about a thousand ethnic serbs protested in the north of the country, demanding the release of all detained serbs and the fulfillment of other conditions before they remove these several roadblocks installed in this area, radio svoboda quotes, the president of the so-called serbian list presented three conditions for the protest, which he gathered from these even one and a half thousand serbs in the village of rudana, reports the balkan service radio svoboda, the action came peacefully for about three hours, without incident, except for the release of fellow serbs, the demonstrators demanded the withdrawal of the special units of the kosul police and the recall of secret lists, and finally, the killing of serfs. rakov told the crowd that without the fulfillment of these conditions , there would be no barricades. he said that the key to solving this crisis is exclusively in what do you think, as far as you can see, the leader has already appeared. well, some force group has appeared. we can see that there are only men among the protesters. i don't see any women there at all.

this movement will be increased during, well , during the near future, that is, with the development of the situation. will this all lead to a decrease in the degree of protest? i ask those present, and so on. everyone knows that he is engaged in this activity with his video fiya. well, it is 1,000, that is what it means . there are no more of them. who are they there? well, maybe another 100 people and so on. well, here we are - i remember p- andriy biletskyi said that in principle it is possible to seize, for example, power in a certain country with a unit of 500 people. i won't say anymore in which about which it was about the number of people and their preparation, mood and the efficiency ratio of these people, please, well, he said about 500, you understand. and these are citizens, ordinary peasants who came on tractors and so on, so these

are tractor drivers and farmers and so on, these are the people of donetsk there will also be a tractor driver and farmers. and how did this end with the category of people? well, luhansk donetsk should have acted on the first day, but we did not act. i understand that so far the official kosovo authorities are very loyal to these overlaps to these roadblocks to these barricades and simply so that a second mitrovica people's republic would not emerge later, you understand, well, you understand kosovo, until a certain time it was part of serbia . if a-and now they have been living there for a long time, probably 1,200 years there and so on so that once there they were in the absolute majority and then they became a minority and

ethnic processes are historical processes and so on er-er that's er-er and paris and barvin have prepared a plan to resolve the situation. who is familiar with it? belgrade is already studying it. at first, the situation was such that the demand was from brussels that the middle cannot acquire membership in the european union without recognizing kosovo. well, the situation is already deadlocked, obviously it will not work. well, these the formula already says that serbia does not necessarily officially recognize but does not block the activities of the kosovo bodies and so on. you understand that all this is fueled by the moscow side, which has a very serious influence in belgrade. belgrade, next to budapest, is the only european cities from which russian spies have never expelled a single russian spy, that is why they feel

very, very comfortable there. hmmm, radicals usually use all possible uh-uh means of enigmas. in 1999, nato allegedly bombed governments and so on. now all these anti-american, anti-nato sentiments are again being incited by the radicals, reminding elser society that there were certain agreements in the early 2000s regarding kosovo itself, it went its own way to state independence and so more and more everyone has their own historical dinners , references to why exactly this side is right, the fact that the kosovo police is acting cautiously, of course, otherwise it will be a big-big er-er aggravation . i think that the western partners are also officially warned about it without

any mutual concessions, the situation will be more difficult, so we will see who will be the first to make this concession, or will this punch be released, or after all, in principle, he will have to be taken to the crack and judged and so on, we will see how the situation is weighed or it is it worth it or not a studio, well, in relation to russia, which, as you say, occupied the capital of serbia, grapes, there is a figure of more than 100,000 russians, at the beginning of the war, 17,000 came to serbia, er, received residence permits, the rest left for another country or remain in the status of tourists. well, there for only a month they can stay, then they have to leave for a third country. they go there for a few hours in bosnia and herzegovina , for example, and come back. well, the lawyer and the locals say that they are approached by

russians and they don't just want to be there. to stay there. and they want to settle there, they even buy real estate and draw up all the necessary documents. how do you think this situation will continue? they left there. that in which cities do they drop anchor, including belgrade, there are a large number of it professionals who can introduce business from anywhere on the globe, you understand, it doesn’t matter to them where it is located , therefore real estate in belgrade is for of foreigners has increased because, er, there is a greater demand, er, they are still

legally found a way. and there are no restrictions for russians in bosnia, because the guest is not a member of the european union and so on, unlike the neighboring romania, bulgaria, hungary, or greece, which is located somewhere nearby, the russians will not go there and wanted to leave, so certain they brought the funds with them, serbia also uses it ah, there are some businesses there, they are developing it , and the state is also using it, as a matter of fact , the same is happening. the same processes are happening in istanbul, only on a much larger scale, just istanbul itself is a city of almost 20 million people, so they are, if not so possible, noticeable and actually there in istanbul of course, there are more of them than

in belgrade, eh, i emphasize that they want to keep them in a certain obedience, that's why the wagnerites opened their eh representative office there, they follow everyone who decided to join politics there, almost a native match, to be honest, there are almost no such ones ah, will these russians who came interfere in the conflict in kosovo, well, apparently , they are doing business, it is absolutely not necessary, maybe there are some provocateurs there , there will always be a couple of dozen of them who go there, eh, radical movements enter, they were in russia and here in serbia and so on, and what are they as a factor, but so far not a decisive

one ? queues are all this instability is happening now in kosovo. it can spread, well, become such a trigger for the beginning of these centrifugal movements and for this republic of serbia, which is part of this bosnian confederation, i am asking moscow , and there they started directly and in parallel, this work is being carried out there, and russian capital is , of course, available bearing in mind that regional herzegovina consists of three state-forming peoples, serbs, croats, and the largest is the pozniaks, muslims, and each of these peoples has its representatives, that is, a collective head of the state, these are three delegated representatives elected for four years, who change for eight months at the post of the presiding presidium, and the presidium consists of just these three people , so as for croatia

, the pro-russian graduates there are much less, there is almost no mood, but the republika srpska this is a completely completely pro-russian enclave, much more pro-russian than serbia itself, and it is through this serbian republic in the center of which luka moskal is trying to destabilize bosnia and herzegovina with some inter-ethnic religious the tension of the clash in the formation of the government and actions regarding the assessment of the activity of a high representative of the international community there schmidt is now a representative of germany so that bosnia is always in reserve in the sleeve as they say kosovo and and and in the second sleeve is bosnia or rather the republic serbian energy is trying to play this card and moscow is trying to ignite another armed conflict. emphasize that the conflict is

tense. it gives them nothing. it is precisely the armed conflict that is needed to show the europeans that not only the war is being waged in ukraine , but the attention of nato and the european union is being dispersed. education of the united states of america, and then it is much better and easier for russia to maneuver, taking into account its influence, which has a decisive influence on the republic of serbia . to herzegovina in the years 11-17 well, let's recall that after russia's invasion of ukraine, entry into europe was made more difficult for russians for citizens of this russian federation. well, most of them started going to georgia in romania kazakhstan well, bilhorod is the capital of serbia, and a very large number of russians have also left. now we will talk about energy

oleksiy so, the minister of energy and environmental protection of ukraine of the 19-20s will join us, and while i read the latest information from ukrenergo, there is a significant shortage of electricity in the energy system of ukraine due to shelling, one of the power plants stopped working, as of december 24, all types of generation are working in the deficit system of venus, but due to shelling and damage to the equipment, it stopped production production of electricity, one of the power plants is noted that certain restrictions continue to apply in the system of electricity transmission to me due to damage to main networks by russian attacks , quote in connection with which consumption limits have been established for all regions, exceeding which leads to the application of emergency restrictions , according to the press service, the most difficult situation in kyiv and kyiv region due to the consequences of the drone attack as early as december 19, and in the east and south there, russia launched new artillery strikes against the front lines areas, there is damage to the

energy infrastructure facility, according to a message on the website ukr.net, and the head of the ministry of foreign affairs of our dmytro kuleba is not present after today's shelling of kherson . -th difficult situation, well, the terrible shelling of kherson and koliba turned to our partners and allies with a request to be more active in supporting our states . on christmas eve, the russian terrorist gift in kherson led to numerous victims among peaceful population, while families in europe , north america and beyond are preparing for festive meals, think about ukraine, which is currently fighting evil, wrote kuleba, oleksiy olzhyn has already joined us, we welcome you to the minister of energy and environmental protection of the 19-20th years you hear the dogs will come back now, well, then i will continue the speech

of the minister of foreign affairs, he appeals from countries to our partners and says that we need your active and long-term support to win because russia continues shelling and, as always, cynically today the russian occupiers shelled the center of kherson, we will remind you that there are already seven victims there, a lot of people are seriously injured in several dutch cities, on the eve of friday, the christmas lights on the trees were turned off as a sign of solidarity with the ukrainians, who were left without power due to constant shelling by the russians of analytical infrastructure in ukraine, the organizer of the campaign, olga korol, told about it. european truth reports, on the eve of the christmas holidays, the ukrainian community in the netherlands gathered in the central squares bridge for a joint action with the cities of the netherlands on the evening of december 23, in their holiday lights on christmas trees as a sign of solidarity with ukraine , the cities of amsterdam, rotterdam, groningen

, utrecht and the hague were turned off, she said in a letter. shortage of significant electricity well, there are also problems with the distribution of electricity due to shelling. what is your operational assessment of the situation today, please? well, again, the restoration of the system continues after blows of the fascists, and yet the situation is a little better than it was at the beginning of the week, ah, but there is really critical damage to the substations that have suffered, well, that is, it is exactly the infrastructure that transmits and distributes electric energy that has suffered direct damage, and there well, it is very difficult to restore so quickly, considering that the equipment has limitations on the

equipment, some equipment is unique, that is why the energy workers are working, the situation is improving , but again, we are very dependent on whether there will be new strikes, mr. all, well, the most difficult the situation according to the information of ukrenergo, it is kyiv and the kyiv region, what residents of these regions should be prepared for, please well, i am actually probably in the epicenter of this situation, because in our area there was no electricity for more than three days, then it was still supplied. this was hit by a 330 kw substation , but in fact you have to prepare for the fact that for some time there may even be a rather long time there may be no electricity supply due to the lack of electricity supply there may be no heat supply water supply a-a there is points that are organized by the heating of indomitability

and you can go there temporarily somehow to be on the other side, after all, you need to prepare potentially for a longer period why because precisely the winter period is an opportunity for putin to carry out terror and get at least some opportunities to put pressure on ukraine because with with the onset of spring, it is clear that these blows will not have such an impact, he will use it until the end of winter and put maximum pressure on the situation, therefore, as an option, after all, he should coordinate with his friends with your relatives, and it is possible to come to them for a while where there is electricity , and maybe there are some houses in the villages of the country , and prepare them. at the same time, we should prepare calmly, but understand that this is putin 's last chance to somehow put pressure on

ukraine and this winter must be survived and persevered. well, i will say that the winter so far, according to the prospective forecast, well, at least for january, it will not be very fierce. well, at the most, the temperature drops to -10 on christmas day, and that's at night, and so, in principle, i'm looking at a plus two plus two plus five plus three well, until the beginning of february, that is, in principle, the forecast is favorable so far. well, in fact, it is good, on the other hand, we have to prepare for february and march, taking into account the fact that natural gas reserves in gas storage facilities are running out, and this is a certain challenge . on the other hand, what will be the situation regarding coal until then, on the one hand, we have a very serious drop in consumption, on the other hand, we are making statements that we may need additional electricity not from our european friends and in addition volumes of natural gas are needed if it will be

used to generate electrical energy, therefore it is precisely february, march - it is also subconsciously necessary to understand for yourself which months are necessary yes. it is very good to prepare psychologically and prepare yourself for a possible rather long disconnection from the life support systems. i guess they are ready for everything, but so that you understand the intervals, there was a forecast that the renewal is possible in 7-10 days, do you agree and is it even possible to predict it, but suddenly it will be full disconnection, we are talking about a complete disconnection, i.e. a complete blackout, when the automation worked and when it is necessary to reconnect the generation to the network and synchronize them by downloading, but if we are really talking about some local problems , well, a similar situation was now in kyiv when there was, er, existing generation in in other cities, in

other e-e regions , schedules are still much better and people have electricity, but locally there is the destruction of one substation, which entails the impossibility of restoring it for weeks, well, that is a week two weeks why because there is a certain reserve of equipment and a certain reserve of system durability, but again, you need to see for yourself what it is like, a week, maybe two or three weeks. these are the periods that are potentially local. that is, it is not ukraine in general, but in a local situation such or, unfortunately, it is possible for the government to pay the price. well, not the government, but as i understand it, the national commission of the ncrec offers an option. an increase in the price of electricity from the new year there to 6 seems to be for business. how do you assess the current tariffs and how much they can increase tariffs for both business and for

of the civilian population of household consumers next year, i ask what the objective real price of a kw can be. unfortunately, the situation is very, very sad. why, on the one hand, the energy industry needs money, it needs liquidity in order to rebuild and, as a result, repair that generation. networks that are damaged. that is, they are huge and colossal. on the other hand, the consumer even within the limits that he is currently working in and in those schedules is disrupted. can pay taxes, this is the second side of the coin, the third side of the coin, after all. well, not the third, but the third, the third aspect, after all, electricity was an element of subsidizing the population of household consumers, the tariffs for the population did not correspond to the

estimated cost of a kwh . a very difficult situation, therefore, on the one hand, and any increase in tariffs will not be perceived by consumers, especially now in those restrictions and in those emergency shutdowns in which you are now a consumer. and i sometimes stop it in general, consumption because businesses are simple , but it is also difficult politically to raise it for the household consumer, on the other hand, and people do not have the same incomes as before the war, they also cannot afford it, energy at this level, in principle, will recover at this level, 3g will not be able to recover because here, after all, you have to look first at donor aid and then build some kind of long-term logic. well, let's be specific .

a week for one day, that is, this is wrong, the policy should have at least some horizon of understanding for household consumers and for the same business, what is the general perspective, how can we get out of these situations, what level of tariffs can they expect, but unfortunately we still understand in the interior that she is a nkrekp who cannot accept an increase in tariffs due to our difficult situation, but still a decision is made that does not give a horizon for planning, on the other hand, not to raise tariffs is also very difficult in general, because there is no energy money, oleksiy, please elaborate on gas and what is the situation with us there, because in principle the relevant ministry assured us that everything is fine, we have storage facilities, and even if there was no such winter, there were no very severe frosts , and you are saying that well, maybe run out of gas reserves well, we heard the first

statement of the head of naftogaz, do we need an additional 2 billion cubic meters or more of natural gas to pass the heating season ? there wouldn't be any extraordinary situations, and because of the fact that we currently have such a reduction in consumption, we have reduced consumption of natural gas. that is, we are now consuming less, on the other hand, if the level of consumption is high enough, and if these options really exist, where will the mobile power plants be installed? will you use natural gas? we remember that turkey also offered such ships , power stations, or will they be powered by natural gas if