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to name and all these theses are very harmful for us, for the ukrainian community from abroad, for us, as ukrainians and ukrainian women, who are trying to win this war, because the more people in the west will think that the poor russians are unhappy too, all the more likely that later they will start er-er extinguishing these peace talks and say well, look, everyone is suffering. you are suffering, the russians are suffering, let's stop it all . and the fact that, firstly, the work of a ukrainian writer is used, and secondly, there are ukrainians involved, at least a playwright and an actor, uh, this is quite a common practice now
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for these good russians, they definitely try to take someone from ukrainians to their team, and in such a way to say , look, ukrainians work with us, ukrainians also support us, and you definitely support us, too, when we wrote a statement like this, after we visited the performance, just to understand what is there in general what is happening, what messages are being conveyed there, and then they wrote a detailed analysis of all the points that are wrong, in particular, what you have already mentioned, such as cultural propiation when the works of ukrainian authors are used by russian artists, as if in order to once again wash away this difference between ukrainian and russian culture and that is one of the worst crimes , because it again continues this colonization practice that has existed for more than 300 years and when ukrainian artists and artists
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no, well, in this case, the artists agree to collaborate well, i personally give it out in no other way than collaborationism or just some stupidity because uh, here we are, after the degrees, we are an actor, i already forgot his name , it seems relevant, but not to us, not to the organization , but to individuals, an account of one of our actions and he began to write there that everything is correct, everything is not so clear, that is, he began to tell us that we do not have the right interpretations at all, that we do not understand anything at all, this is a super cool anti-war show, and here either the person does not understand very well or he managed to convince him so in because she does something good and now she is not at all able to realize her mistake because it is very difficult to understand what you have done something is wrong if you have already done it and this is already such a
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step all the more you need to understand who these people are communicating with so if this ukrainians who had already been there for some time and had a fairly russian-speaking environment, or there are all germans who are pacifists around, of course, this initial presentation with some silversmith did a great job, this anti-war performance . therefore, of course, people can say that what you presented to the play is against the war . cultural diplomats
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are really developing the right presentation, the right message these months so that we are understood so that they don't immediately start saying what if we don't have your policy, then we'll go to you... maybe you've already developed approaches to the germans which we understand, they are different in hamburg, and in munich there are others in berlin, there are still other germans, how should we communicate with them regarding the very issue of russian culture, well, usually we need to communicate precisely from the point of view of arguments and use the language that they understand. and this is the language of such a rational person thinking yes , when you take and use some of their examples that would also be tangential to them, but not examples of the second world war, it does not work when you say what is happening in ukraine now it is the same as the holocaust, it is very terrible a comparison that definitely won't work, so it won't
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cause empathy, because for the germans, this is the biggest trauma and they, well, it makes no sense to put these traumas next to each other like that, that is, that's what still doesn't work 100%. these are emotional performances when, uh, people are covered in blood when they try to evoke some such, you know, very instinctive emotion, it's typical of the germans, it causes more immediate misunderstanding or leads to the fact that we are very often considered emotionally traumatized, this is also very common we often meet when we expressing a position instead, they tell us oh, you, hmmm, we understand everything about the war, but let's talk later, well , that is, when you calm down, that's why we usually have to
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explain very calmly, calmly, without shouting, and so on, monotonously, the same thing until it's done. that's what we worked out, that is, we we usually try to communicate with such detailed descriptions, send them to all media, give well-balanced interviews, of course we do demonstrations, too, because we work at different levels, roughly speaking, for different target audiences and because of good because of good yes, no, you can't just sit and, uh, despise everything russian, yes, we need to show ukrainian, too. this is also what we do, we want to spread our culture, the best way is because people will fall in love with it, so they spread out how colorful and beautiful it is, it will show our culture even more you understand the difference from the russians, and that's also great , because you don't have to concentrate only on showing that we're not them, they're bad, and we're
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good, but just take advantage of the fact that we're being listened to at least a little and tell more about ourselves, because they don't talk about us enough who knows more about the reaction of the germans to the ukrainian questions about the relationship between ukrainians and russians about the war? occur in communication with the germans, which we must take into account, well, in order to further convince them of the correctness of our position, oksana, we know that it is very difficult to often talk with foreigners about cancelong, er, russian culture, we understand that the word canceland we we do not use it at all because it causes allergies, and here in relation to this performance by
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kirill serebrennikov together with the ukrainian ones with the actor and the playwright and what exactly the press writes mostly, perhaps there are some general limits if we are talking about the german press, then in general they are delighted with them very much i like the production itself and also the director's approach that ukrainians are russians and now also germans who are involved in one way or another in this performance, they can unite why because art should be above war art should unite, there is no need to quarrel, there is no need to fight, kill one thing if it takes the stage art is the force that, in their opinion, can unite under a common denominator hiroshima and dresden of the forties and mariupoli and grozny and so
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on. so on, that is, this entire chaotic list can be united by the power of art, and this idea is very close to them, because germany has been doing this for a long time, and since the 70s, society has tried to rethink what happened to it in the 30s and 40s tried to find ways to reconciliation and now it is very strange and painful for them and these are their triggers or when someone tries to cancel someone on the basis of nationality, that is, for them, in their understanding, this is such savagery that can be put in the same row, for example, with racism and criticism they are german and from the fact that the director made such an attempt, he took the ukrainian writer gogol, whom he finally calls a russian ukrainian, and they fought for it . here you go, he is gathering a team and people and people
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agreed to write with him with him p' to be involved in this performance and makes such an act of reconciliation. perhaps it is premature, but at the same time, the german critics are all people who have tried and are trying to support ukraine for a very long time, but they sympathize with us . and the italy theater itself, where seryobyannikov's performance is taking place, he, at one time, provided a platform, for example, for maidan nataliya diaries, that is, they are not against us, they are just trying to overcome the conflict, and they are so sincere i don't understand, what do we want? and what do we want? ukrainians are not satisfied again, but at the same time,
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i can say that this is a great progress. happened before the entrance to the theater before the entrance to the premiere and the critic when he writes theater reviews of course he can't help but pay attention to this, he can focus on the director's idea on the sets at the work of the actors and not say what happened german critics don't do this on the street before the performance, and for them, the form of ukrainian protest is what is now called social criticism in the west, and they don't comment, they don't try to establish the reasons, but of course they mention that a certain part the ukrainian community does not support this idea of ​​reconciliation oksana well, we generally have er. probably , europeans who do not understand that russian culture is not just a culture but also a tool because we ourselves have had this for a very long time they didn't understand and it was tolerated now it just happened to
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many of us, but it still happened, we understand that he is the same silversmith, well, since he came to cannes and made several scandalous statements like this when it became clear that he was there for the first time as he he left russia, i didn't understand how he was released, he protected the russian military, he protected their families , he protected nabramovych and so on, and it would seem that after his press conference, in principle, it became clear what his goal is, that he is not an artist, and we are an artist which is clearly used by er, german journalists do not understand this, that it is not just about culture, but that it is an influence through culture . it is very close to them and something that does not affect them personally. well, of course, except for the price of heating gas, i
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mean that let's remember when, for example , on ukrainian television they showed footage of these fires in aleppo to all of us i felt sorry for these people, of course. that is, it looked like that very dramatically, but in general no more. that is , we tried to do something, although the russians were also involved there, and the russians were already there. they were very close to us and affected our interests in a different way. so it is the same for the germans, that is, we must talk to them and it is necessary to understand very clearly in fact that they are not us and they cannot automatically have the same views and resistance to aggression or hatred er to er to russians well, as for the silver one, of course er the artist has the right to change his views in the case of cyril it is obvious to a silversmith, looking at his creative biography, that he works where there is
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funding, earlier it was deferred funding and from the state of the russian federation, these were western grants. now we are applying for other western grants, when the state stopped funding his projects, he started them financing abramovich is actually why he is silver and called on the american and film festival to remove sanctions from his sponsor because he is so good and against putin and so on. that is why it is possible in the west that the artist m.m. has the right to such hesitations. that is, well we are not a politician somewhere. well, of course not. he must have some principles, but it is not necessary. well, as for what is being said in russia now, including the critics of sriblinnikov, they criticize him a lot about putin 's forces, really, they say what about him and about other artists that well, if you receive money, for example, from the state, it is a customer and you have to broadcast certain
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values ​​​​that are required of you, that is, it cannot be assumed that you will be pro-people or state money to do what you like only and that such a caratif who was in including, for example, the soviet union. that is , when you receive a lot of money, and cinema and theater are a big budget, in particular, you take some responsibility for the fact that this project will sound like this. please tell me what arguments the germans understand from us. not so long ago, i had a conversation with lyuba iroziva, who is a musicologist in our country. she was the artistic director of the kyiv symphony orchestra at the time. and she said that in principle, they understand german arguments, for example, that russian culture has been dominant for a very long time, and let it be the word "kindness" is now ukrainian culture, they seem to understand it. well, they also understand when you appeal to feelings. when they are
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told that uh, please understand our feelings, you understand, you are in different circumstances, but we ask you, at least a little, to put yourself on our side from your experience, how exactly do you talk to germans so that they understand at least partially well, i wouldn't talk about germans as a single mass, everything is different, there are people who go to the theater, for example, there are people who read books there are simply ordinary voters, er, sharing citizens, of course, journalists are politicians , that is, they are really germans, as well as ukrainians, as well as british, er, these are people of different social layers with different views, but what i said the fact that they automatically do not understand our tragedies because it is not their relatives under the bombs and it is not
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their productions taking place, for example, in shelters, but the fact that er, anyone understands very well when you first draw parallels with i understood something very well with something with something close to them, uh, i was for example, a story a few days ago in berlin there was a discussion with the participation of oksana zabuzhko, and she did not lead very, very well. very good parallels from which the audience sat down. she talked about putin and how she gave an interview to a german journalist and said that too it was about a dialogue with russia about how to understand putin, and these are all the questions that the west chews over all the time, and she gave such a very obviously stunning parallel that there is nothing to talk about with russia because putin is in power - it's the same as if in
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in germany, a former officer of the gestapo became the chancellor , and at the word gestapo, everyone just sat down because it is, well, it is one of those words that are not pronounced just like that, but of course, it is impressive , but it is not. pleasant thing that people try to avoid i.e. any communication should be er positive as and if we can use this word i.e. when we show ukrainian culture er and er avant-garde poetry modern music generous this is something this is not a requirement a requirement about weapons or the demand to continue the war and in order to defeat it, this is something that shows us simply as interesting people, or, for example, a
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lecture on ukrainian history. everything is something very palpable and understandable and it is a little bit further from the direct demands of the sprog to give weapons, well, this is this, this is how it works , unfortunately, and of course, case of e-e formation of e-e different cultural e-e literary theater and film programs, i am part of the team of the book arsenal this year, this year, i did a lot of things. people want to hear something. what would be exclusively about ukraine. without this flavor of politics, unfortunately, politics should already be a consequence of
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our messages. you can't start, you can't start from the threshold that we are unhappy , we have a war, and finally, add that i personally very often hear from people who are currently engaged in cultural diplomacy in different countries , are there, communicate with people, they almost in one voice, they say that we need to move away from the question of the kenseleng of russian culture and not focus so much on russian culture, because we need to take care of the positioning itself, much more about ukrainian culture , because now we are ready to listen and in many countries they are waiting it is ukrainian culture that people are interested in. and that is why we should give it, and i hear such optimistic statements that russian culture itself will be forgotten because it is not very relevant and really zacyclina on its own but the ukrainian can really shoot and interest foreigners eh actually i think that we are going
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to this just and we are going on this i have all my friends i wish you a good night for everything we will listen well to people suffering from rheumatism and arthritic to it's impossible to get used to it, it doesn't allow you to move. i've tried everything. and at the pharmacy, i bought a yellow dolgit cream. it saves miles with rheumatism, relieves pain, reduces swelling and improves joint mobility. dolgit is the only yellow cream for joint and back pain. cinema apologies sports music education the free have a choice choose what you want on megogo a time when
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ordinary things take on miraculous properties a time to gather together to celebrate and we will decorate our christmas trees even in times of war our trees will become places of strength we will celebrate christmas together with our military all together we will become more stronger and as in carols light defeats darkness, so in life ukrainians will defeat the moscow zays, look with sincere eyes at the son of god on our land , on ukraine, a gift came down from heaven, so that it will glorify in the eternal ages, merry christmas 24 in february, russia attacked ukraine, ukrainians began to defend their homeland, part of the team
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of the espresso tv channel joined the ranks of the armed forces from the first days, journalists, directors, editors defend ukraine with weapons in their hands, others daily inform ukrainians about the most important things in ukraine and the world, the struggle continues on the information front and the real front until our full espresso victories ukrainian view welcome to the espresso channel today in our military program we will talk about new enemy plans and how they will be countered ukraine, with the support of the anti-russian alliance, russia has announced that it will increase its army to one and a half million people and is preparing for further hostilities on the training grounds of our state. the russian military leadership is trying to
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scare europe with its stubbornness to move towards the abyss of loss and reality on the other side. ukraine has once again received assurances . from the united states for further and unconditional help in this war with the russian federation at a joint press conference during the important and quite symbolic visit of the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi to washington , us president joe biden repeated his promise to help ukraine as much as needed, so there was also a report on a new military aid package of almost 2 billion dollars, including the first delivery of patriot anti-aircraft missiles, and on the prospects for aid for next year, but it seems we still need more and at a faster pace than the usa and european countries are doing, so how should ukraine act at this new stage of the war with the
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russian federation, where moscow seeks to reproduce a mass army on what should it do the stake is ukraine itself, our army and our defense industry, in order to speed up our victory, we will talk about this in our military program with ukrainian military and industrial experts, my name is serhii zhoritsa, the director of the information consulting company defekt express, which , together with press channels, tries to highlight the most relevant trends in the field of security and defense and now we are joined by oleksiy ezhyk, an expert of the national institute of strategic studies. serhiy, there was a meeting of a colleague of the ministry of defense in the country of the aggressor, where certain conclusions of the enemy were actually recorded after defeats on the battlefield. you took a course to increase the number of troops there, and it is
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preparing for a large-scale offensive operation there from all directions due to numerical superiority. the introduction of even qualitative changes in their troops, there on the ground and in the air, it is said that it is necessary to increase industrial defense because there are opportunities, then a whole list of such rather loud statements, i know that your practical experience in assessing the real capabilities of the russian federation, i wanted to ask you how do you assess the enemy's initiatives and their realism in implementation? we didn't have time to forget serdyukov's reform, as uh, again, no. when there was no such thing. and here again, as the famous russian ambassador to ukraine said well, and if russia completes a certain cycle or even returns to what it all began with, if we recall
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this srednik reform, which happened precisely against the background of the attack on georgia, and it was precisely she who instigated this attack when it was believed that large armies, fronts, e-e divisions, at least, it is no longer necessary at all, and in order to fight in the post-soviet space, to keep it under control, mobile small e-e groups are enough, only it seems that hmm, in the landing troops, there are divisions a, yes, divisions of sticks, and so everything was transferred to brigades, and in general, battalion tactical groups seemed to think that this was what was needed. well, we can see here that it is really objective that battalion tactical groups are not suitable for war, which goes beyond the scope of the hybrid if they did not complete the task in three
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days to capture kyiv, then logistics are needed, fronts are needed there, major operations are stable, that is, it is not even a matter of a brigade or a division. but where to get them? it is necessary to prepare for a new war. that generals always prepare for past wars, this is the experience when they start preparing for past wars. and when there was such a situation that stratikov was doing this reform, it was also objectively said that he was nothing , the stools are all that, but he is that did it because the russian elite wanted it and putin wanted it. they wanted a normal army that was adapted for a normal situation. then they said, what will you do with china, and it turned out that russia had a problem, what to do with ukraine, because even fighting with
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ukraine requires large armies, corps , divisions, corps, fronts in order to keep the territories they captured. i think that just as serdyukov's reform was very slow and difficult, there were several stages and then retreats and then new efforts then he us georgia and another attempt will be the same with this reform, reverse counter-reform, counter-revolution, building again not operational commands, but maybe there are districts, so fronts that turn into against. i think it is such a spotlight. it has a little, well, really real meaning, but in fact i think to return going back to soviet times in russia will be even more difficult than building tactical group battalions with which they tried to capture ukraine, so i think
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that this reform, if it is real and not a media one, will happen after russia will lose this war, well, that is, in fact, we are talking about the fact that this reform will have no influence on these plans for the winter company or the spring company, and now it is better, the russian army will conduct combat operations with the forces it has today at the front, this is how it works out. i think so. well, with the exception of the fact that the increase in the number of troops is exactly the number that is needed, well, the mobilized ones can be caught up again. and i think they can try. well, for example, for the private army, the wagner group

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