russia is not for a second and not for a year and not for two. this is a problem that must be solved somehow, mr. pasok. well, i am an optimist, i believe that it will be possible to convince these countries and it will be possible to form a much wider and more powerful front in support of ukraine, and we can see already the results of this and the position of germany and the position of france are also changing . especially we see this now in germany, this is primarily due to ukraine itself and the actions of the ukrainians of the armed forces of ukraine and the political leadership of ukraine and the president and the minister of foreign affairs and the prime minister who directly talks with german politicians and convinces them. but the polish leaders and the president are coming. yes, and

the prime minister mateja shmurovetsky, they are very active in this field and they also have direct contacts with their colleagues by the german, french, and other european european leaders show that the position of these countries and the position of these leaders is changing , changing in the direction of supporting ukraine, changing in the direction of supporting the position of poland, including because poland from the very beginning of a large-scale war in ukraine constantly spoke about the need to provide assistance to ukraine, about the great threat posed by russia, about the need to change approaches to russia and, er, in the eu and nato, and we see these changes, obviously, this process is not overnight, everything does not happen immediately, and it is not even short-term, but that

progress is taking place, that changes are taking place, that the evolution of the approach of european politicians to russia, to the war, and to supporting ukraine is taking place, this is already a positive fact and a positive direction, and i believe that they will succeed in fully convince us of firm and clear positions regarding the support of ukraine, one more question of mr. ambassador, look, this is an internal, purely intra-polish issue, i would even say a demographic issue, look now, a huge number of ukrainians work or are, some part works in poland in europe, in general, polish is adapting to this economy, polish industry, polish agriculture, they understand that we have additional workers in the amount of well, for example, a million i don't know for sure 3 million i

i think that ukraine now, well, not everyone is working, of course, and not everyone is of such an age that they can work, but i think that somewhere around 1.5 million people are able to work, and that’s all one and a half million. if they find a job, they will join the ranks of agricultural workers. i don’t know agricultural workers. maybe someone will be a doctor. maybe someone will be an engineer. it doesn't matter and the polish economy will work given the presence of another 1.5 million people, but a year or two will pass and the war will be over. i have impression that a discussion should take place within poland itself, what to do, how to do , can encourage, can give privileges to ukrainian workers so that they do not go back. maybe something else, what do the

poles think about this, is there even such a discussion that this is a real problem, you know, we cannot throw away one and a half million it took an hour and a half and the economy is not working like that. it should be forecasted, please, of course, this is an issue that is on the agenda of the economic development of poland, and i will say that it is not now, not only now, it has become agenda, but this was talked about several years ago and even before the full-scale war that russia started in ukraine, and this was due to the fact that, for example, the construction sector in poland was largely dependent on ukrainian workers, let's say there 19 and 20 21st year, there are many ukrainians who worked in poland and the poles understood that if they leave, this is the economic growth that was in poland, and in particular in the field of construction, in

the field of agriculture, largely depends on how much ukrainian workers in poland and they encouraged ukrainians in every possible way and even created conditions for ukrainians to stay in poland because they came to poland to work. now the situation looks roughly the same because many ukrainians who came to poland now fled from and were forced to leave of ukraine due to russian aggression , while they were in poland, they obviously understood one thing: they need to find a job, that's clear. i believe that the sooner they find a job, the better it will be for them and not only for the economy of poland, but of course, the question will arise about what will happen when the war ends and these citizens of ours want to return to ukraine, and i think that we will already be in different

realities during that time. i think that we will be even closer to the european union. i think that we will have even more open border with the european union and we will have eh conditions in which competitive conditions in which eh will be depending on where these eh citizens want to work , whether in poland or in ukraine. i think that ukraine will have good opportunities in order to provide them with jobs and a good salary, of course, a certain percentage of the citizens of ukraine will stay in poland because such conditions will be created, then they will buy a house, then they will already have a job, then they will impose contacts , then you will go to school and want to finish the whole school. the whole process educational yes well, of course, some percentage will remain but if we are and i am convinced that we will be members of the european union, then we will have, accordingly, opportunities for

barrier-free employment, or is it in poland is it in ukraine and that is why our citizens will choose where it is better for them to work mr. andrii , look at one more question, and the poles have infrastructure for ukraine, well, conditionally, i went, i need to learn the language somewhere and i definitely understand very quickly i find a place where i can learn polish somewhere i i have to get a job and i can very quickly find a place where i should get advice, where is better, where in which region, where is the possibility of housing, where housing is cheaper, and so on and so on, that is, the whole infrastructure of helping such forced emigrants from ukraine to poland, and i will honestly tell you that i was impressed by how this infrastructure and this entire ecosystem of assistance to ukrainians was formed, starting from literally the first days of the war, literally from

the end of february, march, conditions began to be created for ukrainians who arrive to poland, they could find a place to live and a place to work and a place to send to kindergarten or school, and now a lot of opportunities have been created for ukrainians to take care of their stay in poland themselves, including various kind of polish language courses. there are a lot of them all over poland. you can find them on the internet. many of them are free. as a rule, they are free. this is the help of local authorities or central authorities . jobs but again , the situation remains approximately the same as it was, er, somewhere er, in the spring, that is, in

these obviously large cities or conglomerations, such as warsaw, wroclaw, krakow, gdansk , where there are a lot of ukrainians, work will be found it is more difficult, but in smaller ones, locally, yes, it is possible to find a job even in a specialty, and the living conditions or conditions of earning a salary level. these social guarantees are the same as in the central cities, so all this infrastructure is enough developed and now not only the poles, but the ukrainians themselves are creating such conditions for themselves , including by founding, creating ukrainian schools both offline and online, creating various types of clubs, creating various types of

businesses, partially transferring their e-e businesses from ukraine and making it difficult for ukrainians, that is, these opportunities are now more and more another question. it is a sociological one. and it is absolutely clear that you will not be able to simply answer this question based on the feeling in the 90s, when i quite often hoped to go to poland several times a year and looked and studied what they have, how the reforms are going, what is lacking in ukraine, what where where where where where poland is ahead well, it is constantly ahead, but the question is then i asked, and to whom is the more suspicious attitude of poles towards ukrainians or towards russians, who if poles perceive ukrainians less because of the fact that there was also the

vistula operation. what is today's attitude , what do people think about russians today? do they continue like the polish dissidents when they said we respected the russian dissidents very much. we love russia very much, this national liberation struggle of the russians, against whom it is simply directed, it is not known, but less with the fact that today, what are the sentiments, how pro-ukrainian are they, is there still a layer of pro-russian people who, if they were to side with moscow, or at least in their minds, i understand that it is a stupid question because we cannot get into our heads, but your feeling was carried. of the poles regarding russia, this is a danger, this is a serious threat to the polish state, and

this is how the poles perceive russia, they believe that russia is the aggressor in the end, and this is confirmed by the relevant decisions of the polish parliament that russia supports a state that supports terrorism, but even before that russia was recognized as an aggressor state, but in general, poles are opposed to russia's aggressive policy here unequivocally. they know their history, they remember their history, and they understand that russia if won't stop if ukraine doesn't stop russia then russia will go further and poland will be next, it's all very well understood and that's why they're doing it to help ukraine, which they understand also

in poland protects not only its state but defends poland and the rest of europe, and the attitude towards ukrainians changed significantly after the start of the war, after the poles saw how ukrainians were fighting against russian russian buyers, against russian aggressors and against the russian army, and poland, which always fought for its independence in most cases with russians e- e in their history, they treat with respect those who fight for their independence and appreciate their independence and the price of a computer, real integrity, therefore the attitude towards ukrainians has changed significantly in a positive direction after the ukrainians have shown how they can defend their own state, the

values ​​of freedom, freedom of democracy and european choice. therefore, i think that it is unlikely that we can find such political forces in poland that would be sympathetic to the kremlin 's policies. that is why we have such a firm position of warsaw and the leadership of warsaw and the polish opposition, which 100% supports ukraine, ukrainian territorial integrity and the struggle for the liberation of all territories of ukraine in poland from the 14th to the 22nd year, nice words he said, i will ask my colleagues

. while i will read the question, i have already answered this question here. now i will answer this question because it is not necessary to be short. timati snyder, such an american historian says about ukraine that the current war in russia has a peroristic character. putin is also himself. compares with peter the first russia will be a threat to ukraine as long as it exists or will consider itself an empire russia will always consider itself an empire it will never stop considering itself an empire if it stops considering itself an empire it will no longer be russia at least not russia in the form of the last 300 -400 years. so it will cease to be russia and then it will cease to be an empire. this is already a question. well, it will find a non-historical and not even a political one

. some kind of a petrological one. well, we will continue to answer this question. serhii ladynski the debate of the european parliament from the green party is a german party. i'm switching to russian here. i have many questions that are very interesting to me personally. i hope they will be interesting to you as well. mr. sergey. hello, it's nice to see you. i guess it's necessary to say that christ was born. that's where christ was born. sla that is, we praise him. well, you can do whatever you want. you can not answer at all, but in general, i usually do. i have some thoughts about mr. orban and the behavior of hungary, but as i understand it, even in europe, there are korban issues outside of ukraine, so

i would ask you to do so in a non-ukrainian way. remove the war, of course, it is difficult for their brothers and their leaders, but at the same time, because of the claims of the europeans , orban them from modern hungary. you see, you know , we are discussing first of all. now and those who are going to celebrate all of you with upcoming or already passed holidays and of course our solidarity as always eh as for this, there are several other perspectives on the situation with the hunchback, this story has been going on for many years, eh, many of your viewers surely he knows that he has been spending his life for a long time, uh, this is uh, uh, uh, with such uh, uh, topics, uh, in principle, what

mr. putin and his ideologues have been playing with for a very long time, this is the same opposition to liberal democracy, to princely liberal democracy, which, in principle, is tied to democracy uh the european union in its classical form, that is, democracy, where not only the majority, not only the majority, decides everything, where there are strong ones, where there is the power of a representative institution, where there is freedom for parties, freedom for the media and for the civil society of the civil society, that is , the so-called wrongly by an organization that is engaged in its work , which is financed freely, including abroad, and by the same soros, er, and others well, mr. humpback decided that soros and we know this song, er, that's it his big enemy is that he is asking in some

way how they will destroy the society, the traditional values, so called. in the fact that the european union was not originally created as a union, the common values ​​of which can be promoted and actually protected against national a-a-m-m-m some governments, and this is where we are now in this problem как если вдред какой национальный проект and here we are to the second region. yes, we want those to come there. if we clean up the information, we also have a problem

. the situation with democracy in, er, in hungary, and the european commission has to er, let's say it 's rushing because, on the one hand , the european commission vot renews the video of this problem, and on the other hand, they need the voice of the members of the european union, and they need a unanimous position on the same issues on to the second question, too, and here it starts with such a throw, but somehow they still put orban in line. to instrumentalize this question against us , nevertheless, we had to agree to it, but for each round of sanctions, as we see, they constantly instrumentalize the insert , and use this question in order to

say that we can agree, but you must introduce himself soften, this is our dilemma. well, is it discussed seriously, not at the level of backroom conversations, what is called between the samoychikov, the system of changes in decision-making is not consensual, and there it changes 2/3 3/4, maybe someone creates conditions sometime there if there are three against it, even so, the solution passes, maybe not 27 there, or 30 countries, there it is, 25 or 26, and then somehow it will be easier than the consensus, consensus decisions, well , it shows some kind of weakness, if we take, for example, the security council, where it sits alone russia and everything can’t be done, and so on and so forth, so that there is no

eurosa in the european parliament, the european parliament is absolutely clearly warmed to this. would like to change and reform europe because more of us are becoming members of europe, we know we , i hope that sometime in the near future, ukraine will also be a member of the european union, and many other countries naturally need reforms and one of the requirements from our country is to have more opportunities for the so- called qualified majority. i think 85% of the inhabitants of these european unions should live in these uh-uh countries, that is, there specifically, as the collective majority , and i would like to expand it, but in principle i support it, as do

many people, but i have a first question, i will tell you honestly my party green is generally more of a barrel of such a progressive humanity, yes , they want to bring the european one. as few unanimous decisions as possible, i am a little careful with this because i would not like to have a situation when, uh, there if germany, france, even parus countries said, but the small strange one does not have uh своего веса we already had such a situation if eastern europe for a very long time eh yes eh almost before the war when voices from eastern europe and you generally didn't listen to them that much a-ah hmmm how would it cost and it seems to me that it is necessary to consolidate the possibility and for small countries to be heard, and for the majority, again, yes. and even if it is the same, the majority is not constant, as if

through them they would cross the line here, here, you have to be very careful in order to show that small countries, small countries, new members have a voice. who heard, and not uh, through which they will cross with the majority of a-a votes, that is, there are certain difficulties, there are certain difficulties , but in principle, the trajectory of our desired and our reforms is in the direction of increasing a-a solutions, because they are already now there is a small increase in the number of decisions made by a qualified majority vote so that there is no such thing in principle. the right to vote is very bad. it 's terrible, and democracy is just

accounting for the minority. well, we see that putin walks around with great pride and says that he replaced all the votes, that you represented the majority, yes. i am 22 years old and i have no complaints against me, so i will not be able to, and it seems to me that it is very important . and in general, ukraine , it seems to me. a lot of church will be beautiful, too, there will be pluralism and so on and so on, this was important at the beginning of perestroika. after all, this word was one of the

triangular pluralism. and how is it an arbitrary stone of democracy, they are the majority of words that decide everything countries then let's work with her already, don't forget that it's natural and the effectiveness of decisions to make decisions is also important. well, we need to find a model. where would all this play ? the president of the parliament who is left in prison is being actively discussed before the court . i watched some foreign greek mass media

that she is not guilty of anything . it's all clear that there will be an open interest all this will be open all this will be transparent but what do you say, how powerful do you think the evidence base is at the prosecutor's office, uh, they suspect it is justified, yes, look at it, it's very, very complicated and really a question why, because i'm a member, i myself am the chairman of the legal affairs committee of the european parliament, in principle, um , according to the idea, we should have received an application to withdraw immunity for this lady for a colleague, we will then decide whether we will withdraw immunity or not, here i am, honestly speaking it's a bit disturbing. why didn't this happen? i don't talk about it openly , because now such a dynamic is certain. well, you know how in such

cases there is always some smell of the ghosts of corruption. there to improve many of our rules and so on. yes, but nevertheless , i have a question left. yes, that is a police officer was caught right away, yes, but i don’t quite understand from the press that he knows what he has in honey , the prosecutor, what’s with the police officer if they caught her when she took the money in her hands ? he has money , damn, you already have resin, from the point of view, not from uhu, that's why i'm very careful, eh, there are such

cries there, like, let's all, whoever we found, even here are my colleagues. a lawyer who deals with the issues of the legal state ya first, let's wait, let's wait. what will you say to the prosecutor's office, what will the prosecutor's office decide, and then we will be filmed for a coin? well, you understand, you know very well. if you are a european politician, we are disliked by many, many countries or many public lips, they think that we are idlers, yes, they think that i, honestly, i have never worked so hard in my life, but probably there is someone, yes who doesn't do it, they believe that we get more money there, and i don't know, i'm shit in the cities. i don't believe that we probably get more money. they stand and it works, but there's this

, that's a dude, and he works, there's dynamics, if there are questions, eh i asked my colleagues how much we believe, believe, the prosecutor's office has to run. the swindler told me that the reputation is normal. it means well. a member of the european parliament from the german green party was with us, thank you once again and what and and we were transferred for two minutes as far as i understand yes, they confirm to me that everything is not so simple here you know it is not a well -equipped studio how is it that we have it on the third floor so we here, in addition to the fact that we conduct a program to echo each other, we conduct negotiations directly in the entire room , there are all the people who