how can we be an independent state and if we don't even destroy it, you know it is strong enough to harm us thank you mr. serhiy serhii kryvonos, general of the armed forces of ukraine, first deputy commander of the armed forces, and when he was in contact with us . political scientist hello, vasyl vilchynskyi, i would like to talk to you about this topic of negotiations, er, continue for as long as you think is possible , the current situation is related to er, the fact that russia really wants some kind of political process, i don’t think that they the possibility is personally boring, and i think that when putin uses the word negotiations,

he leads us all astray and misleads, because by negotiations he means the capitulation of ukraine, while we suspect that by negotiations we mean the capitulation of russia, and this is the reason why i think negotiations are impossible, and in principle, what is the calculation now at the russian leadership ? i include president zelensky's last visit to washington about putin's there are still several months for the destruction of ukraine from the air, since ukraine is not given offensive weapons, but

is given only defensive weapons , so the russians can destroy ukraine with impunity . undoubtedly losing russian soldiers on the battlefield . because of the winter that without a word aggravates the situation for ukraine and, accordingly , several months for the formation of a new army and for the second request for access to kiev will definitely take place, well, let's say in the first quarter of next year, how do you in principle assess the situation in the russian political elite now how in general, according to your environment putin refers to the situation in which russia is. well, how did it relate to the elite, and in russia there is no group of mostly people from

security guests who govern russia putin is starting to get confused there, in fact, these are the people who define everything, and all the others are subordinates, he follows orders from above, yes, the war has finally started. not because of the scenario that he planned in february, putin exists for everything that this means for putin. unfortunately, for all that's what we lost, he lost 10 months, he lost the entire first army there, the whole first helmet there, i don't know 100,000 or more people, but to him, that's all it means that you need to prepare, as it were, for a new stage in this war and new ones and the war is that now russia is waging it not against ukraine, because russia cannot somehow admit itself and

publicly announce that ukraine is ukraine, which apparently did not exist and should not exist , and putin wrote it that way on this topic, russia is losing , that's why it's being formulated in such a way that russia is waging a war with nato and, accordingly, this is a confrontation with nato, but nato seems to be no longer ashamed to lose at the first stage, well, i repeat for putin - this is all that this means that war it takes a heavy character well, even more, it can be a bloody character, including uh, from the point of view of the loss of the russian army and the russian federation, but the russian country is a big life . was

the second supplier of weapons in the world, so i don't see any problems for putin to enter this war for a while until the smell changes its point of view on this war and starts giving ukraine offensive types of armament how will this war happen, and the prince will be of a completely different character when the war will move into another character what will the reaction be in general according to your opinion, again, here are the layers that make the decision if you now shot essentially such a vertical horizontal fsb can generally change self- perceived state security in order to preserve state security, because otherwise it will be targeted together with russia, and it is necessary to change

russian foreign policy and retreat into the issues of the start of the world war there and the russian-ukrainian war, people can look at it in different ways, but in fact, if the guest of security does not change his approach to this issue, then all this will lead to the destruction of the russian federation, the global destruction and, accordingly, the destruction of state security as a spring, and if people appear there they believe very much, i 'm telling you honestly, i want to voice this possibility, but i don't believe in it myself, but if, nevertheless, there will be people who will understand that it is necessary to rethink the initial positions are allowed in the 13th year, and then there may be a departure from security, there will be an opportunity to survive, as in the vetomstvo,

yes, in general, this structure is very durable for us in december of the 17th year, it is the oldest structure in today's modern russia and the only one that survived the ussr , therefore let's not assume that this structure dreams of ending the entire life of a suicide, this is certainly not the case, but i repeat , for this, it is necessary that the security council, as they say, voted to remove putin and rethink what is happening i repeat, i don't really believe in it, i don't really believe in the possibility of this structure, but i don't know how to reform myself, let's call it that, but it's the only way for them to squeeze out, so you never know, there might be healthy common sense transported. and how do you

think in in principle, the russian army is capable of something on its own. no, it was not historical. unfortunately , it was not. historically, something has a technical role, and we have a good example with afghanistan, because we already know about the history of the beginning of the war in afghanistan. that this war cannot be won, nevertheless, the war has begun . and i’m not , that i’m confident, it’s too easy to think. he says so, i don’t rule out that in the current war, the general staff was against the beginning of military operations, and the transport security insisted anyway on

at the beginning of the war, that's why the army is unfortunately completely subordinated to safety , and it is essential that the army has influence, not on what is not, and it is not by chance that there is an empty place at the head of the ministry of defense. the head of the army did not stand, er, the independent minister of defense, who may be in his opinion later or another question. and what do you think in principle? in the soviet era, there is no one who can understand what this will lead to, because this is a rather collective decision, and i am

not inclined to count us in cohen in the event that putin even now, as it were, he implements all these moves and steps. well, we have wars here and there a personal decision made by him, which everyone else somehow prevents and which they do not support. all these of the ledies of them were eliminated by the lidial this and the reason for which we are not more likely to protest the protests not the houses of the farticular the selection process is quite competent and was carried out precisely

so that at this moment of crisis, if they take no, he appeared on february 24 , and there will be no votes against this general policy, and we see that their no, not now we don't see what they are. from which it probably follows that they are not. well, then, what are the general mechanisms and , let's say, updates of the entire political situation, if we are dealing with such a not even the soviet temporary leadership of the 80s, where there were people of an alternative positions with some leadership of the third reich, together, you know, who began to think about the future only in march of 1945, when the bomb on berlin was flying perfectly correctly, and in 1944, some people still thought when they were organizing an attempt on an agitator, here in that's what you did. that's what you said correctly about the bomb. until the blows start to fall

on moscow, nothing can be changed in this style in order for russia to feel this war in order for there . the leadership of the security guest began to think about what might be this policy, we turned out to be both imaginary and incorrectly calculated that peace in the end turned out to be second, it turned out that this world is not ready to capitulate, but it turned out that this peace revolution is ready to fight, you know, the soviet government there in 17-18 and had an attitude towards a world revolution until the 25th year, however, it became clear that this attitude did not work and after 21 years, the soviet policy was changed in this sense , and the same thing can happen and so

, in order for this to happen, it is necessary to strike. we are occupying the donbass and the occupied crimea, and in moscow, because, unfortunately, russia is a huge country, the country of one city, and only what happens in moscow matters . rockets will begin to fall on the skull on the remains of the ministerial last acts on the ministry of defense and look at this war in moscow and in russia themselves second and for now what is the result that russia destroys ukraine with impunity i include the capital of ukraine kiev by the way and moscow lives quietly and peacefully жизни and can you explain to me the political, i understand your ideas, and the military, technological, who will make me napekty, i am not a military man, and when i

talk about the supply of offensive types of weapons to ukraine, i mean weapons which uh, with the help of which it will be possible to strike at moscow if this does not happen, the war will continue exactly in the format in which it continues now , this format of putin is absolutely fine . let's talk with dmytro emrest cossack, former press officer of the azov battalion of the national guard of ukraine, military personnel participating in the defense of mariupol, we will remember azovstal, we will remember how dmytro is now living after 80 days stay in azovstal after four months in captivity, dmytro is finally a famous person because it was his photos taken

in azovstal that became, one might say, the business card of this great resistance. congratulations dmytro. good evening. first of all, i want to ask what you are doing now, how are you living now. let's start with this is our conversation . now i am in the military service, as it should be, because there is a state of war in our country now. the service is not convincing from the line, it is far from a dream, but let’s say i continue to work. that is why i sometimes come back after a business trip to different countries in order to constantly remind everyone about our prisoners of war, to remind about heroism

, religion from australia, honest mariupol, that ’s how it is if we talk now about what did you remember from these 84 days? what was the most important thing you highlighted? what is your most important impression? it won't be because, you know, in general, he talked about the heroism of the military personnel who elected mariupol, then later on, they found it. the person she was. maybe, in principle, how i work as a press officer and our servants. that's why it 's just hard to write in words what these people

experienced and their heroism, their contribution is simply all this to our nbu, and the most important thing is that i remember now and well, they are more painful, so it's true that most of the defenders of the azistals are in captivity, the other seven hundred fighters, colonels in captivity and it hurts a lot now this is what i'm talking about what i remember every day and what does not allow me to live peacefully now and somehow continue my activities of a peaceful life because you constantly remember these people who, including you, defended and compared you and what we have to do as do you think that it is more important to free your brothers from russian captivity, not the employee or the structures that deal with exchanges, i am just trying not to

harm the team, i am simply asking people to always remember their soldiers and write about them constantly so that we do not have the right to them to forget about their heroism and i'm just they are worried now because in fact now they are in print at the front where they will be taken care of they are in danger every day they continue to be because they do not receive normal medical care it is not clear at all you are finding nothing nothing is clear where are they now and that's why i'm just reminding them about them, i'm afraid of what to do wrong in order not to harm the future of the exchange. everything is real, the attitude of the russian military intelligence officers towards you, how much do they believe in this official line, well, it is clear that there were some who

understood the real state of affairs and they simply, i think that they are in this system and it is simply impossible to go outside of it, that is why it is necessary for some of them, you know, the players live like this, and this whole theatrical thing really does happen there, but basically six of them really believe what they are told, it’s actually scary, at the same time, it’s also an indicator of their propandya, how does she work in in real time we can literally see the consequences of all this when you were taking your photos did you think about what would be so crazy i would say attention to all this that it would be on the covers of famous world media did you even just want to find this

shot this is this instant that she remained, in fact, she was chained to the whole world even then , even before the photos, because we tried to constantly cover the activities of our sections. in general, all the defenders of azov became because we, in fact, remained the last such snake of mariupoli and shouted it to the whole world our speakers and our command constantly gave interviews to the world, they understand what is happening, that's why the attention of the whole world was focused on the photos even then, but the photos were just tools of our work and coverage of the driver and coverage of the situation in august from the factory with of the last therefore, it was just like a normal task to go to take pictures, and it’s actually there, and you can see that, well, the shots are very simple

, you know that i just want to bunker and just catch in the option, well, i asked them to take pictures and i took pictures. and actually, i think these photos but they are more popular in connection with the context which er let's say so without context they do not have such value er this value of these photos in the context of the city where they were taken and precisely at the time when they were taken that's why i i then no no i imagined that they were only popular, but i knew that they had to fulfill their role, they boys had to show their strength at the same time as you are not in any conditions , so in principle they fulfilled their role, i think now when you see that the russians are destroying everything they can in mariupol er, they are simply erasing from the face of the earth all these

objects that were essentially witnesses of their crimes, do you think they just want to get away from responsibility or do they want to build some completely new space in mariupol in which nothing reminded of the bombing and the feat of the azovstal fighters for this is a very painful topic for me in general, it hurts me to actually look at these photos of how war houses and premises are demolished every day and to watch it again online, it is very painful to understand that this is your city that you love and in which you politicians have lived for a long time. i think that the russians are simply hiding their crimes in the sea in this way, and if they say it correctly, they are simply demolishing it so that the people who live there will move more quickly, let's

say, to the side of their propaganda, because the destroyed premises are a destroyed place constant reminders of those war crimes of the russian federation that it committed on the territory of the children and mariupol, but actually let's talk about uh and uh demolishing these houses, they just lure people a little faster, deepen let's say so uh in our reality made into reality uh by their propaganda do you think that this can happen is it still still still the people who are now left in mariupol they don't have these elections or believe or not believe the occupiers don't believe it's hard to believe that that then you have to live in such a psychological situation, uh, i can't now somehow evaluate the people of mariupol who stayed there because, in principle, i don't have any human

authority for this. and you know, it could be said on the one hand that they stayed there they are pro-russian if they stayed there, but i know that there are actually a lot of circumstances under which people stayed there because they had to, they had no other choice, and that's why i think that the majority still remembers what happened there but uh, how is it? bye bye, some kind of calm life is coming quickly, uh, people are getting used to the fact that they don’t live there yet, yes, i visited around us, they aren’t even being built again, and uh, you see, this is also the problem of some of our regions . i don’t want to with specify but in us people you know very well those people who, er, with such an opinion, there were wars and er, a pity for mariupol , those people, er, there were and she remained for them,

it will be much easier for her to just not pay attention to it, if it is destroyed buildings, then you should be it's good if it's really called that for us of course it's scary i have no idea at all i stay and live on but understands that it's not for me to evaluate somehow and condemn well that's always such a question you've raised an important question with you now who is answering anyway the state that could not to protect people from the occupation are people who stay in their homes when the trenches come, you know that a stick has two ends and in this matter we have two main problems you just voiced them eh of course many of the local population eh were outraged by what

eh - the local authorities did not ensure the normal evacuation of the local population from mariupol , although they still saw what it was all about, and the mayor allegedly said that he had prepared some buses there, they were supposed to evacuate, but nothing happened because they were surrounded too quickly city, but still, i can understand the people who are there, and again, when we were still old, when we talked with the civilian population, with civilians who were in the bunkers , they assisted when they came to find them, recorded the interview, and poison skin i simply could not understand why some people, hmm, did not want to go to the territory under the control of ukraine, when we saw their evacuation, they explained their

evacuation and some of the exercises, they explained to me what was there, well, my mother is sick there, she is not transportable, i just can’t i will leave mariupol, and there are quite a few such cases you know and cups to say who is responsible if the ideological one and stayed there because she likes it to such an extent, then actually there are no questions at all about blaming the state, the person here actually made her choice and she is responsible for it and she is already a number, but her part of the people is in absentia who do not want to stay, and this question is already more complicated, how to evacuate them from there and how to return them to a normal life, or ukrainians actually help each other a lot now, we see this in very difficult situations, but also to leave your home there, and if you are there for 50 plus

years, in which you have lived all your life, and go to an unknown place and have nothing with you, well, it is actually also difficult, and i will say that i do not understand these people, it is difficult for me to understand because i actually left at the first opportunity to the territory under the control of ukraine because it is important to me, but sometimes i can partially understand those people who remained there dmytro kozatsky, the former press officer of the azov battalion, was with us on this communication we remembered the tragic days the heroic days of the defense of australia, maybe this will be one of the most vivid episodes of the war that russia started against ukraine. i want to remind you that it was dmytro who took these famous photos that became part of the image of this

resistance and the vision of the russian er-e enigma and this is exactly that heroic page of russian history - the ukrainian war, which the russian occupiers themselves really want to turn over and forget, that's why they practically destroy everything in mariupol, that's why they're trying to destroy, let's say now, in front of our eyes, the mariupol drama theater so that even later if there is the opportunity to get to mariupol for investigative commissions when the russians will no longer be there so that there will be no legal opportunities to establish what is really happening in this place and what happened during the bombing of the mariupol drama theater by the russian occupiers when children were essentially killed there, this was just the beginning now we see that russia absolutely deliberately destroys women and children with its attacks on ukrainian critical infrastructure, but it's like that here, you can't say anything and uh, well, we see what kind of

enemy we are dealing with, and precisely because of this the azovians wanted to protect us from the enemy, that is why in russia, immediately after the capture of mariupol , talks began about the need to build a park instead of azastaliya, i have no doubt that if they can establish themselves there for a while, they will put portraits of motorola and zakharchenko in this park because it is now it's their videos and they want to impose them on us, i'll give you a word, isn't it you, melnyk, who will now introduce you to the news of this hour and what will happen soon, please, good evening, thank you , the news team will work on the most important thing in a few stay with us for a moment and i'll start with this