well, he deserved it. let's say that you can't flirt with the beautiful and you can't kill the ukrainians. and the territorial integrity of the country, here is mistress igor, how do you understand the territorial integrity of russia? yes, he tells the russian people that nato is threatening russia, they will attack and that's why we attacked first as a preventive measure but he himself knows that no one was going to attack and that he is the aggressor, and then territorial integrity is meant by the occupied territories of ukraine , or is there still the leading

territory of russia ? he knows what he has on youtube, that ’s understandable, not that’s what he’s behind. it’s not the content, it’s what he’s talking about. the last blackmail to die for, that is, you understand that nothing is real, as it turned out, there are no other short instruments, he does not really have an instrument, all that remains is this nuclear blackmail and he periodically throws out the next one, you know such ones . here you are with 40 large-scale application, but eh, to allow the smell, we have heard all this this is me in the fall of you. well, what is characteristic here is that it apparently happened in the next year. to go because he will declare that i annexed, we annexed or did not annex, and there you,

as they say, added new territories or added new territories to them, for some kind of dirty language, well, here are these large ukrainian regions and now we will protect them with nuclear weapons but that’s where such a faction is afraid to negotiate why it’s just that it’s just about it sydvenpin stated in a direct text that china is categorically against it means i’m this rast not i’m this weapon they suddenly shut up now she is starting to spin this wave for the second time, but more cautiously, how are we? in your opinion, in principle, it is now possible to talk about the fact that the russian society is starting, well, let's say that, to understand the consequences of this adventure, you have everything understanding. well, first of all, the break that was determined for you by the views of the russian society came with him. in general, the russian society is not characterized very well, and after that, there is a lot of information about polyakova's game.

let the russians and the russians again, at least of the draft age, understand that at any moment they can take the skin from a warm sofa and ask for some kind of hail there or a second reception and after that for today, the population is still counting rap and some, uh, naprelost, you don’t know that the population said everything - not now, we are against the war, everything is like that. there is no such thing. reduction of such victories without what are the moods in this water? well, this trend is not very obvious. another question is that it will sharply increase the mood of the dream. it's gone and now people are looking forward to the second main mobilization, by

the way, most of the people are the last ones. brothers in the centers they say what they say and against . i think that in order for the population to really realize what it's all about there should be another, more likely large-scale defeat of the russian army in ukraine and a new wave of mobilization. that is , this fear and anxiety, so that it was converted into such a sharp active anti-war mood, it is also necessary that the quantity turned into quality, it is said that there would be even more defeats, even more mobilized even more news from the fronts oh, what a terrible state these mobilized people are in, yes. and somehow everything is bad so that the russians are not just worried about the end, but said that they will not drink. no now, this is the truth, it is forbidden for the car, let's see what will happen to putin, we have already started using the word war. so a definite trend has emerged, maybe this year,

even at the beginning of the new year, and it will happen. and the financial basis of people is interesting . i think that utopia means contract workers . portalis, that is, directly regionov went to fight. i have such a feeling, but based on information, that is, based on open sources, including the fact that they already have someone in the conditions of the war. they will not be counted at all, so i think that there is no well, they will simply increase not at the expense of the contract , but at the expense of the mobilized and enlisted, it’s not

too long. an expert publicist was on our program at this hour, we will now be back on the air literally by number, we will listen to people suffering from rheumatism and arthritic it is impossible to get used to it, it does not allow to move i tried everything and at the pharmacy i bought yellow cream dolgit, it saves me from pain for rheumatism reduces swelling and improves joint mobility for joint and back pain television sports music education free people have a choice choose what you want on megogo

time when ordinary things acquire miraculous properties time to gather together to celebrate and we will decorate our christmas trees even in times of war, our christmas trees will become places of strength, we will meet christmas together with our military , all together we will become even stronger, and as in carols, light defeats darkness, so in life, ukrainians will win over the moscow zays, look with a sincere eye at the son of god on our land a gift came down from heaven to ukraine, so that it may be glorified forever. merry christmas . let's listen to people who suffer from rheumatism

. but the arthritic cannot get used to it, it does not allow to move. i have tried everything. and in pharmacy i bought a yellow dolgit cream, it saves me from pain in rheumatism, relieves pain, reduces swelling and improves the mobility of joints crimea , for pain in the joints and back, let's continue the saturday political club program anzhelika zozulenka and vitaly portnikov so, let 's start with the first topic, you already mentioned the interview of mineel today macron, the leader of france, where he essentially stated that ukraine's accession to nato was unlikely because of moscow and me and vitaly, this actually outraged me, although we know macron's position, but it seemed to me that in 10 months of a full-scale war, well it's strange to be afraid of russia, because ukraine

shows such a small country, the army was small, it understood that compared to the russian federation, we are beating the second army in the world, maybe this should have changed the position, you know, it should have been remembered that now 20% of our of the occupied territory, macron can proceed from the fact that he needs to achieve the liberation of this territory. i simply believe that all this is utopia. that is why, from a logical point of view, if we say that it is necessary to provide security guarantees to ukraine, security dances russia, we are going into false russian logic , why does ukraine obviously need a security guarantee , why did russia attack it? russia is destroying and will destroy critical infrastructure. russia occupied crimea and

donbas in the 14th year. is telling the truth and she started a special operation to liberate e.e. the luhansk donetsk people's republic is also absolutely idiocy, but let's at least go by this logic why she annexes of the kherson zaporizhzhia region and demands to be recognized as real on the ground, well, from this point of view, from this point of view, of course, if we want to provide ukraine with security guarantees, then so that it does not lose its sovereignty , does not lose its territory , now let's look at russia. and who wanted russia i would like to know that ukraine is under threat, russia is under threat, ukrainian troops are somewhere on russian territory. i don't see that russia really thinks that it is under threat now . but why did france vote for it then? accepting donations from finland, shvets should have said to the macro then, you know, i am against this, the

president of croatia says that he is in favor of sweden being a part of nato in finland, and it is somehow strange, you know how these old and soviet jokes here we play here we don’t play here we wrap fish if nato on really threatens russia, then in principle it cannot be expanded, if it is possible to expand nato at the border in russia, then in this situation, of course, we cannot talk about the fact that ukraine, in its acceptance into nato, should scare russia with something, then one more moment too, in fact, russia is not a threat in principle. well, this is also a reality that macron knows, that macron is nurturing some plans to attack russia, or maybe scholz is simply supporting putin in this rhetoric of putin. he believes that if putin is satisfied from the point of view of his rhetoric, then putin will calm down but

putin is not an idiot either, his rhetoric is not, he uses this rhetoric to achieve specific goals on the ground, because rhetoric is what he says on tv, it is what he writes in some documents of the ministry of foreign affairs, and he achieves specific goals on the ground here is the occupation of crimea, donetsk, luhansk , kherson and zaporizhia regions, the attempt to occupy kharkiv, the north of ukraine, when they were in kyiv, near kyiv, in chernihiv region, in sumy region, this is on the ground and this is reality, and the aggressor cannot be given a guarantee of security because he does not need them, the aggressor needs to be expelled from the occupied territories this is the first moment the second moment i really frankly do not understand why macron is still hoping that he will agree on something with putin for what reasons macron tried to agree with putin several times in a row when there was

the meeting of the group of seven in biarritz, i remember it well because i was just there covering all these events, he suddenly invited putin that putin visited his residence castle sleepless putin came no real agreements came from this no exit to e-e russia from africa on which macron calculated through all these gestures diplomatically did not happen in russia, it only sent its influence in africa, when putin came to macron, then russia had influence primarily on the central african republic, now it is already in the second moment macron was the initiator of the summit of the norman four in poland, i really wanted putin to come there well, and not only he wanted volodymyr zelensky to be the president of ukraine, they both wanted it, i will forever remember the eyes with which they were looking, i already told you what the angels of merkel told you about these two

young people just like children who just put, you know, their hands in the wolf's mouth and look at it, it 's a funny dog, it's not a dog , emanuel, it's not a dog, it's a real wolf, and that's all, they reminded me of them the behavior of both of them, well, let's play with the program, we played, nothing came of it. i generally think that the parisians are the norman four . very experienced politicians, they had some illusions there and you can't blame people for wanting to agree on something, but it ended in a fiasco and by and large the big war was accelerated. because putin in paris made sure that

zelensky is not going to capitulate, he is convinced that merkel and macron support this. let putin not tell fairy tales that he just read merkel's interview in dietside and found out that they wanted to deceive him . the kingdom is running away. only now do you find out why you need to read the newspaper. he has been the president of russia for 22 years. because he learns about the news from german newspapers. well, well , nothing came of it either. then, if you remember on the eve of the war, macron flew to putin. do you remember this table? putin is there. macron also told him something about putin here, or read a lecture about the history of russia for half an hour, two or three hours, nothing came of it. why does he think that he will succeed now? what did he come out of? he has a positive experience. i understand what i said, and you know. well, i succeeded there here he succeeded, here he failed, he doesn’t succeed all the time

well, macron thinks that if ukraine is accepted into nato, then putin will start the third world war or something, but i also wonder what putin will do, on the contrary, he will have the idea that if he continues military actions, then in principle he risks a conflict known to ugu this the truth is, the only thing that needs to be said is that, as far as i understand, this issue has never been discussed . that ukraine can become a member of nato after the end of the conflict, but there is an option if ukraine becomes a member of nato, but the fifth article is not applied. it does not apply to the territory where military operations are taking place. is also an important option, but when bahron says at the same time, i carefully read this text that we can not provide ukraine with ukraine to accept nato in order not to annoy russia, but we have to give it such serious security guarantees because

she was attacked. but i want to know. are there serious security guarantees? they don’t annoy russia. well, i don’t understand such ones either. i think it’s all an illusion. we saw these offers by yarmaka groups, and it’s confusing. well, the offers are clear in order to have real guarantees . of security, one of the nuclear countries should sign a formal agreement with ukraine, let's say there is a set of obligations that the united states has to the republic of china to taiwan that in the event of an attack on ukraine, this country is ready to fight together with ukraine over ugu behind, but with putin for sure understands that he will meet here with the army of the united states of great britain. i generally believed that the most acceptable security model in order not to annoy anyone is ukraine's submission of ukraine's application to nato. this is what

finland did to sweden. its acceptance of the donation, and unlike finland , sweden, the very process of ukraine accepting the donation can be slowed down until the end of the war , this model, all other models, but they, well, the russians will not calm down anyway, we need this to understand, we see it as empty, now putin said it so much that dana is integrated into this war and he really has no other way out except to win that he can fight for as long as he wants as long as he has enough resources, people are also in favor of what if in 2008, france and germany did not object to the accession of ukraine and georgia to nato, then russia would not have occupied south ossetia, abkhazia and donbas, crimea, and now there is another 20% of the territory of ukraine. we also talked a lot, what should we say ? thought that if we sign an

association agreement with the european union, we now immediately have real prospects for european integration there, it turned out not to be the case , the action plan for nato membership is, after all, not joining nato, well, imagine what ukraine and georgia receive in 2008 the plan of the vilnius in nato and it could have been. i also believe that it should have been. and russia is taking over and attacking georgia, and the country is a member. they say that we will help georgia as a member of nato. well, she has not yet fulfilled the plan, she will fulfill the plan. we will help. that is. putin could have his own focuses there, well , the point is to attack already then, if the pdc already is already. to join the

european union nato, but there is also a second approach, if the enemy country is already on the way to the european union nato, then maybe it is necessary to bite off as much as possible from it, because then it will not be possible, it could speed up intervention in both of these countries and not stop it, we don't know how it would react in crimea, the kremlin would try to understand, again using the example of georgia, whether nato member countries will fight. consider that they fought, well, no, of course, this is not provided for, even the document if the kremlin starts to fight with georgia as a member and as a non- member of nato as a country that has received the peace treaty and does not receive real money from nato, this opens the way to the earliest possible invasion of ukraine, at least to take crimea, there may simply be other goals set. if now these liquidation of ukrainian statehood, then the goal could be, let's say, the occupation of the southern part of ukraine, then i would like to

remind you of one more thing. are you sure that even if we received a plan for the members and in 2008, somewhere in the 10th year, viktor yanukovych did not win the presidential elections no at all well, you understand that yanukovych didn't give up on this plan, he gave it up, that's all, i don't want to just wonder what would have happened because it 's very easy for us to blame france, germany, and i think that we need to think about what we had the historical chances are much earlier, nato was expanded in 1997 and then continued until somewhere between the third and fourth, and if we were in the first wave of countries that were ready to join nato, let's say they said that yes, we are ready to give away nuclear weapons, but not to the oblivion memorandum, and let them then be accepted in nato, but then we did not have such a position and such a desire. no, our

society was against nato until 2014. the test must also be understood. you, the politician viktor yushchenko, let's say he was a convinced euro -atlantist, and what was left of him as a result of the rating, people did not support it. the majority of ukrainians, even the patriotic ones, continued to live in the soviet world, where nato did not attack the bloc, and only when it became clear, so you know, we can simply disappear from the political map of the world. people wanted to join nato not because it is because of values. that they reconsidered their attitude towards nato and the aggressive bloc because they realized that otherwise rockets would fly at their heads, i remember these myths that oh , our boys will fight in some country but in reality there are very few such situations and it is even possible for me to fulfill yes, of course, but we do take part in this in our peacekeepers in different countries serve and now we are fighting on our own land regarding the meeting of medvedev with edinpin i wanted to

talk to you, mr. vitalyu, but actually why did medvedev go at all? some international experts believe that putin does not want to speak zimpino because that leader of china demands from putin a specific plan for the completion of the so -called special military operation, that is, the war in ukraine, and then cannot provide it and that is why he is already refusing to treat it in such an isolated manner. as far as i understand , medvedev was in kataba, there were some secret conversations, including with the chinese, there are already a lot of strange conversations. medvedev went to beijing, and he went with a closed visit, and this visit was announced only after since it became known that zelensky is going to washington and russia immediately without such a counter-reformation was necessary, here you go there and ours here, the united states supports you, and china supports us, in general, i think that this is a completely wrong approach to the case if i would be a russian pr person. on the contrary, i did everything possible so that no one found out about medvedev's visit, because we

understand very well that the size of ukraine is not comparable to the united states. the united states is the only superpower of the modern world. not comparative, etc., but russia also claims the status of a superpower. the president of russia wants to speak with the president of the united states on an equal footing. and why then is russia equated with ukraine in to this equation, this is a mathematical equation, that china is where the united states is, and russia is where ukraine is. he may be against this war, he would like it to end because it is now against the interests of the chinese economy, we do not know at all what will

happen to china here, that china is now falling into such this mess, which is unknown, how it will end, by the way, even with you now, we have no idea what situation we are in in the world, this situation reminds me of the first weeks of the coronavirus , do you remember when it started, and we were still with you, what were we thinking? can we go somewhere in a month? they buried their tickets, well , in china, there is a coronavirus well, what are we here for, well, not that epidemic well, it’s kind of strange, but now when in china, how many people are already uh, now they say something there, or 300 million or 30 million. i think that 300 million is just we've got everyone has already forgotten about the coronavirus, then they didn't mention it, so if this number of people are sick , if at least one percent of these people die, the bill goes to millions of people. china simply

gave up zero tolerance for the coronavirus, which means that new strains will appear, which means that in two or three months, there may be a new epidemic of unknown scale in the world, but the center of this epidemic this time will not be europe or the united states, but china itself, and the damage to the chinese economy in this situation may lead to unpredictable scales for the world economy for the chinese for the world yes, we are on the threshold of this tsunami, we can already see it according to statistics, but we do not feel it yet, but i do not rule out that we will feel it sometime in march or april, i am not sure about this, i assume that the coronavirus was staged so that it will not be fatal disease, but if it turns out that this is not the case, that i am wrong, then in the months of march and april, no one will especially

remember the war of russia against ukraine, because in russia, people will die by the hundreds of thousands not from the war, especially something their satellite it's five in the evening, and such a person may appear, uh, work against these new strains, china's problem is that there are no vaccines in china, why are we talking about it like this? you and i got sick and were vaccinated. the chinese don't have anything, you remember we had a corona virus at the first stage, something went somewhere , but it wasn't the panacea when all these chinese ones first appeared, and then there was an indian one when we bought a chinese stock, that's the same there was a story with this minister of health like this to the famous stepanov, it turned out that all this does not work and chinese vaccines do not work effectively, and western vaccines should be buried, zimkin does not want to bury them, that is, in fact, we are

facing a new turning point in the life of civilization. to become a year of great resistance, but, first of all, asia now has a shortage of medicines in asian countries, in china there is no medicine, so people who are chinese who get to someone there in singapore or something else bury themselves antipyretic drugs in boxes, well, that is, we just don't feel it, but the apocalypse is coming. why am i telling you all about this, that against the background of this apocalypse, all these people are meeting with the bear, and he absolutely does not need the chinese economy to die, that's why he does not want this war to end, so that although to remove this negative canopy from the agenda, this is the second point, the third point is domestic

politics. to moscow that medved is the second person in the state that he meets with er city and gives him putin's letter and talks with him as an equal with an equal as the head of the ruling party with the head of the ruling party and not just as some official from the surrounded points mr. vectors because recently, medvedev is simply being equated with being called an alcoholic, being equated with someone who is a fool of putin, this happens all the time in our country, for some reason it is a good tone to say that medvedev is an alcoholic, what is he, what does he have no influence on. it seems as if alcoholism prevented someone from killing people, even the russian mass media read and wrote about the fact that putin is sending medvedev with some delegations, incomprehensible diplomatic meetings

that do not have such a regular character. how are they going to occupy all of this , build all of this, it was a large-scale meeting , well, medvedev takes enough time before the meeting to spend on meetings that position him as the second person in the state because if putin wanted it to be different , he sent misha to china, because there is a wall between the prime minister of russia, well, it is logical, misha could also be accepted by all the bells and whistles, unlike the bear. i did not say that he was meeting him as an equal, it was the acceptance of the prime minister of russia as the head of the people's republic of china, a completely different situation. so i think that this is another signal if medvedev remains the heir. i am not saying that the only heir, but the most obvious, and medvedev is a worse person than putin, you see that he is completely crazy