kravchuk is the basis for the fact that ukraine was , let's say, a participant in that decision, but even if it was a declaration that absolutely does not mean that ukraine, the cis, by its decision included the russian federation in the un, i repeat once again that the decision should have been made on the basis of the recommendations of the un security council, which would then be approved by the un general assembly, as it was, well, at least 1.5 dozen times in the history of the organization, the last of which is the czech republic and slovakia, its former slovakia or all six former republics of the former yugoslavia well, before that, there were many other countries in africa and asia. it is not worth naming them now , but always, that is, the only case in history when a country was never accepted into the un by any decision, but it is a member of the un , so i once again return to at the beginning of our conversation, let's say that you can't exclude

a country that is not a member of this organization. and we have to go the way of depriving this country of its powers. i'm not talking about mass violations of the un charter, but again, you know. maybe that's why russia behaves so defiantly. in in the world, it is in no way legally related to the norms and principles of the un charter because it has never ratified it, but mr. volodymyr, then it turns out that all decisions where russia had a decisive vote, whether in the security council or in the organization of the united of nations it turns out that it is necessary to question all 30 years of the stay of the russian delegation at the un well, and accordingly to review all the decisions that were made with the participation of the russian delegation where their vote was decisive correctly no no absolutely no with these later because any visit you will be told that in such a situation the law does not have retroactive force, everything that was for

this was it this is history nobody questions the decision of the un between uh, let's say 46 and 81, when uh, by the way, from of the security council, and once in the information, the republic of china, what we call taiwan today, was expelled, and instead of it , the people's republic of china was included , that is, the china we know today. no one doubts that everything that was approved by the council security during absence the presence of the people's republic of china in taiwan is all illegal. that is, it does not say the same thing can be said about the last 30 or even 31 years, mr. volodymyr. so, in an interview with the tas news agency at the end of the year, the minister of foreign affairs of the russian federation, sergey lavrov, accuses the united states america's reluctance to hold a constructive dialogue between the two countries

, however, emphasizes the readiness to discuss security issues with the united states of america both in the context of ukraine and in the strategic plan, we will hear and see lavrov at at different levels, including the highest , it has been repeatedly emphasized that we do not shy away from constructive dialogue, but for its establishment, it is necessary to create the conditions and the possibility of meetings should not be held for the sake of a tick, as they say in our country. they should be filled with the specifics of any significant ideas in this regard from the americans, not came from their side ready to discuss security issues both in the context of ukraine and in a broader strategic plan . we will wait until washington matures to realize the inferiority of its current course and without the alternative of building relations with us on a mutually respectful and equal basis, subject to the mandatory consideration of legitimate russian interests, that is, as far as i

understand, lavrov said that we seized part of the ukrainian territory. and now we will talk with the united states of america about security issues and now if we have someone will take these occupied territories, it will threaten the security of the russian federation, and if the united states of america is not ready to discuss this with us, we are not talking about anything at all let's talk correctly, i understand the same way and i agree with you and in the place of lavroba as what by the way, i know very well with whom i ended up talking a lot 10 months. he doesn't say anything. he may not have received anything there, unlike putin and what he did, but he talked a lot. i think that uh, well, 25 years in prison - that's for sure. and maybe they're for life, mr. volodymyr. well, actually this is how

they think, this is how they speak. they think differently you say that you have had enough communication with sergey lavrov well, that is, he has always been, as they say, he has done this kind of thing, so he is consistent in relaying the position of moscow , did he ever try to do what he should have been doing, you know if 10 or a little less months ago, i could think that lavrov thinks differently than what he says, but today i am completely unsure of this, that i am sure that this is not the case, he is a person who has completely transformed into something else, you know why me i would say not even at another person, but at some other creature, because, well, such a thing should be carried, well, in general, like all russian diplomacy, at least of such a serious, high level. well

, it’s not benzene, vasyl, in the case of security, the representative of russia is a curve, some other ambassadors know what they carry, well, it just doesn’t fit into any logic at all, and it ’s strange to me, frankly, to watch it, because i knew many of these people personally as well as laurels, and i could never think that such a transformation could happen to a person literally for well, there are several years. so that's it the question is no longer for analysts, uh, in the political plane. well, after all, it is probably for psychiatrists or other doctors who deal with and better understand these issues, friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our social platforms on youtube and facebook for those who are currently watching us

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a debilitating blow went further than everyone else in washington, quoting lavrov, some unnamed officials from the pentagon there actually threatened to attack the kremlin, and a decapitating blow essentially refers to the threat of physically removing the head of the russian state, if such ideas are actually harbored by someone, this someone should think very carefully about the possible consequences of such plans. i may, mr. volodymyr, ask you a non-diplomatic question, and it is difficult for a diplomat to answer this question, but we have been watching over the last ten months the world is watching how russia is destroying ukraine and striking ukraine and killing civilians, we have been watching this for the ninth year, we have a war against the russian federation, hmm, or why are the powers of this world who see the threat that putin poses

not only to ukraine, but also to the world won't dare to think about what lavrov is talking about, yes, it's really not a simple question. well, i think that, first of all, it's a question of what um. you know how that bent, uh, needle corner is a rat. by the way, later i already compared myself, if it's correct. i remember er well, i will have to resort to some steps that are not completely unpredictable , for example, the use of nuclear weapons, this is exactly what the same permanent members of the un security council were afraid of in december 91 of the last century, when they closed their eyes to all violations and allowed the russian federation to take the place of a permanent member. well, we hoped that what maybe russia has

some kind of rosy future but they were wrong and also they were afraid of the same slide of nuclear weapons some kind of chaotic collapse of the former soviet union now they may be afraid of the collapse of the russian federation but it seems to me that every day there is a growing understanding not only of the countries of europe, which see this situation better, but also all over the world, even in distant countries, that in the place of the russian federation there should be something else, something that will not threaten er in the whole surrounding world, how was it, well, the last er, let's be honest, several centuries, we 're not only talking about the last 10 months or 8 or 9 years. and let's remember georgia,

syria, the former yugoslavia. before that afghanistan and before that, the caribbean crisis and the war in korea, and the munich conspiracy, the comintern, stalin’s policy, and before that, the mysterious policy of the russian empire in the 17th -18th-19th centuries, that is, during the entire period of the russian empire’s existence the empire that the russian federation claims today, although putin is pushing for the creation of some kind of soviet union there 2:0 but nevertheless, it is the same eh against the russian empire, which during its entire existence only lived on what it was, now it was more trying to earn a new one

the impression is that there is nothing to do. well, this is the largest country in the world, the richest in terms of minerals. but everything is still not enough, but zaporizhia, kherson and kharkiv regions must be added there. i am not saying that life will be better then and they will not stop in ukraine. no, this final understanding of this will not come. well, at least nothing will change for the better for the ukrainians of the european continent as long as they are afraid of this russia. well, at least for the fact that it has nuclear weapons, although you know there are still many questions what is the state of these nuclear weapons and are they capable of even using them until this understanding comes, we will have the same problem, but the italian minister of defense in the

video about zet believes that in the event that russia is threatened with defeat in war and we know that russia is constantly talking about the fact that russia must not lose in this war, that the victory must necessarily be for russia and even if they have a part of the territory of ukraine for themselves and agree on some kind of peace there, and he says that that russia can go depends on attention of the minister of defense of italy to the use of tactical nuclear weapons, this is literally today's statement, we know that over the past few months, this topic of the possible use of tactical nuclear weapons was a hot topic in the world, until the cia director met with the head of the service of foreign intelligence in russia in ankara until they spoke there about all the issues concerning the united states

of america and russia, we know that blinking talked about the fact that russia was warned about the possible consequences, strongly warned about the possibility of the consequences of the use of nuclear weapons, but the minister of defense of italy is again talking about these tactical nuclear weapons, what do you think, uh, how diplomatically or not diplomatically did russia explain that this should not be done, as it usually happens in diplomacy, when the other side they make it clear what the application is. this will have a consequence. this is this and this . to my own experience, let it be limited, that the same americans explained it

very simply and clearly on the russian side. well, maybe they even took a piece of paper, you know, and drew on it what it means for the russian federation if they use it. tactical nuclear weapons , and, by the way, they talked about it more than once, even at some of them. and many experts are serious . well, what i heard personally, well, first of all, it will be physical destruction. putin, i think that it is and the tools and capabilities of the same of the united states of america, secondly, this is uh, instantaneous, uh, well, as experts say, within 20-30 minutes , the russian federation will destroy the black sea fleet of all the military groups that are uh, near the borders of

ukraine, and then the next step is to strike at all military bases and garden facilities already on the territory of the russian federation, including moscow and including the kremlin, in which case we are not talking about nuclear weapons, but about conventional weapons , because, unlike those, all the daggers and everything else about us falls. unfortunately american tamahawks and other weapons are much more, well, more accurate and they hit with accuracy there, if i am not mistaken, up to 15 to 20 cm, so i think that this whole picture in front of the russian side was so beautifully drawn, and after that, how do you correctly say all the talk about nuclear weapons somehow stopped so abruptly, but look at what the official kremlin is saying now, they say that any peace with ukraine must be based on

the fact that the russian army will not leave the captured territories and return control over them to kyiv, dmytro piskov, the spokesman, said this of the president of the russian federation, vladimir putin, there is still no peace plan for ukraine. let's start from this, again, there cannot be any peace plan for ukraine that does not take into account today's realities with the russian territory, the accession of four new regions to russia, that is, the donetsk, luhansk, zaporozhye and kherson regions in addition to the annexed crimea, according to putin's spokesman, no plan that does not take into account these realities was created and russia cannot claim to be adopted. well, that is, how is it called in chess pjsc, that is, there is nowhere to go further in russia and they are simply driving the whole world into a stalemate situation and we have taken a bite. as vladimir

putin says, the chicken pozornychku is something there, he is pecking at it, explaining why they took away certain areas, regions of ukraine, but in this situation, are they already exhausted ? finally, diplomatic channels, diplomatic channels, any possibilities in order to, as macron says, give putin the opportunity to get out of this situation and save face. i think that , taking into account the current situation and all these statements by piskov and other russian factors, well, really this is exhausted, that is, for today . as i have repeatedly said, the main inspector of ukraine is the armed forces of ukraine. unfortunately, diplomacy does not work now. diplomacy will work when they stop

shooting. how can this be done only by the victory of ukraine and about this? actually, today i mean, you know what podskop said - it's absolute nonsense, no politician of ukraine will ever agree to it. well , the ukrainian people, actually speaking, it's time and in the world, at least in europe, in nato, in the european union and many other countries have already understood that this is completely unrealistic . and it is not for nothing that constantly various politicians, and not only from western countries, emphasize that any negotiations and, in general, the conditions for the end of this war are possible only on those terms that suit ukraine, since ukraine from suffered the most from this, and it directly concerns our state. therefore, without our consent, no one

will agree on anything. well, what moscow is saying - it is completely unrealistic, and on the other hand on the other hand, what else can i say to him, i'm not talking about what you know, even if you imagine hypothetically that we could agree on something to start negotiations, what four areas is he talking about when, well, i don't remember exactly how many there are percent is controlled by russia, and what is kherson, what is the zaporizhia region, even donetsk luhansk , they did not completely capture it, so you know , even in this form, such conditions look completely unrealistic . this does not even correspond to the current situation on the spot well, perhaps that is why, as

putin himself noted, he cannot deliver the annual message to the federal meeting of the state duma because, what will he say if the situation changes every day and every day they they are losing their positions and what they considered their success yesterday is today their defeat. let's talk about our progress and our steps forward because 2022 was marked by the fact that ukraine submitted an application official application for accession to the european union under a special simplified procedure was in february 2022, and in september ukraine submitted an application for accelerated accession to nato, and at the end of the year, the rights of french president manuel macron, who expressed doubt that ukraine will become

a member of nato, were heard. what do you think about these simplified procedures ? and the situation in which we are now , will it speed up the decision of the european union and nato member states already next year, 2023, how successful will it be for us in the external arena, in particular in to the european union and nato. i am absolutely sure of this, moreover, i will say that right after that, he already immediately after our victory and the question is when it will be, i would like it to come as soon as possible , well, at least next year at the end, even well, they say there about spring, about summer, about the year itself. well, i can't give any predictions, of course, but

i would like it to happen as soon as possible, but i'm definitely not sure that literally a few days after the registration already of our final victory, these are all questions about which you say membership in nato and membership in the eu, it is not only about people, it is practically a plane. and it was an acceleration of the pace, and you even know even those things that we still have to go through , except for the military compatibility with nato, for example, as the main language of such membership in the european union, many reforms are being discussed there, some of them we have already passed some of them we are going to implement well, somewhere else something is slowing down a little and everyone perfectly understands that this is the result of the war itself and that these issues cannot to be a priority, well, in the conditions in which we are, but this is what our state usually

deals with, and the government and the president, that is, i am leading to the fact that, well, the completion of these reforms will not take long after our victory. the main thing is that there is political will of the member countries of the european union and you see too much of us there . and it seems to me that this political will is well, maybe with the exception of some of our so -called friends, i will not name these countries before the new year's holidays hmm. but i think that uh and they are absolutely capable of changing their -is opinion because in the end both in nato and in the eu, well , there is a concept of the majority and if the majority is for us, then all the others will also join it. so i have no doubt that this decision will be approved quickly as

an example. well, speaking about nato. this is the membership of sweden and finland. yes, not everything is smooth there either, there is the position of turkey , that is, these countries. yes, there are enough reasons why they did not become de jure, let's say, nato members. but nevertheless , these countries came to this, you know. the path from complete non-priority to full membership very quickly literally for several months no one even thought about it until a few months ago, but i think that it will also be applied in the case of ukraine, well, it is a little more complicated there, but i also think that mechanisms and ways will be found, such as how to speed up all this er, i think that er, well, you know, they expressed themselves in the same way, our generation will already live in the

european union and it is there. well, all the more so because for nato, for the transition to nato standards. we already have an army, which i hope will be completed this war will be completely re-equipped and will be modernized modern weapons, this is one of the conditions for membership in nato. well, of course, there are still a lot of requirements related to legislation and how ukraine must comply with anti-corruption legislation. well, a number of different requirements are at the end of our program. results i would like to ask you as a diplomat as a person with extensive diplomatic experience, which of the world leaders in 2022 pleasantly impressed you, and who disappointed you, an interesting question, well,

nice phrases, for example, the chancellor schultz of germany, because germany well, i would say he already added to it, i also added the president of germany, mr. shtanga, because these two politicians were able, as they say, to proceed through themselves, that is, they, er, recognized , er, stein must have called, in general, he recognized personal mistakes, a personally wrong position regarding ukraine and russia, and he even apologized to us and said that all this should be changed , it was easier because, unlike his predecessor, mrs. merkel, he did not make these mistakes allowed, but he radically changed the politics of ukraine and uh-uh this

by the way, it happened not least thanks to the radical changes in public opinion in germany, because if we look at the last poll, the support of ukraine about our perspective, as well as nato, and this is a very radical change in the politics of germany . i am not talking about their attitude towards russia is unpleasant, i was impressed by french president macron, i hoped that this person is still a young person, quite young, and even more so in the second term of his tenure in power, i remember one of my interviews when i said well, we'll see, macron will be re-elected and his position will change. unfortunately, it hasn't changed, probably after all, well, france still remained somewhere in the 18-19th century in its perception of the world of russia, the role of russia and

probably its own role france's role in the world . maybe that's why france has argentina in the finals of the world cup. well, this is of course a joke. well, you can name many other politicians who unpleasantly impressed me , the same lukashenko, er, the same orban, the prime minister. hungary, but this, let's say , was not so unexpected, but with such uh, well, quite unexpected things, it’s really, well, and yes, between the other and president baider, this is also a huge positive, because it seems to me that he, uh, after all, has changed his attitude towards ukraine, although he always had a positive and sympathetic attitude, but that the huge help that the united states provides to

our country today, this is far from the last and the personal role of president biden. he knows that it is good for our country, we will not hide the fact that he has, well, the previous years, not all the memories are the trays of our country, sir volodymyr we have to finish, i have to interrupt you, we have regulations, i'm sorry, thank you for participating in the program it was volodymyr yelchenko, a diplomat , the permanent representative of ukraine to the un - 2015-19 , it was the verda program, i say goodbye to you until tomorrow goodbye my congratulations - this is freedom life the president volodymyr zelenskyi of ukraine addressed the verkhovna rada with an annual message regarding the internal and external situation of the country, what did the president say, let's talk in france at the

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