audi, our society, ukrainians are determined to fight for victory and do everything for this, well, accordingly, peter, we understand that there may have been some negative moments noted by your sociologists, so we understand that the situation in the country is extremely difficult, so we understand that the war has entered a protracted, long phase. accordingly, how does this happen to the fear of ukrainians, and first of all, the most important question is to thank, this is a very important question, and the most important negative impact is, of course, economic, that is, the standard of living is falling, and we noticed this in the survey when we ask the question of people's material financial situation, we saw that more than half of our fellow citizens live on the edge of poverty, that is, 10% is not enough even for food, but somewhere they already said more than 40

said that there is enough for food and inexpensive things, but not more than that, that is, poverty is the greatest the challenge is the decrease in income is the biggest challenge, the loss of work is the biggest challenge and the big challenge is, of course, the consequences of the russian shelling, which bring with them problems with the electricity supply and also affect the economy on self-employment and on people's incomes, this is the main challenge uh and uh, well, that's what russia and i actually think that when russia planned these attacks, she tried to destroy not only our critical infrastructure, but also to destroy the economic infrastructure, to undermine ukraine from the inside and this is the biggest explanation, and yes , we saw it in our polls , really, what is it, mr. peter? after all, you have already noticed the attitude of

ukrainians regarding the negotiations with the russian federation. to detail, that is, the position of the russians, we know that they will not agree on the ukrainian peace plan in any way, and we are talking about both political leadership and the latest sociological studies of russian public opinion, it seems that the levada center can be wrong m such a study was conducted there, the russians are ready for negotiations , but only from the position of the strength of the russian federation, they are not ready to concede their interests and the interests of their country, and as ukrainians, they are not ready to concede with this either. there is nothing to give in, we are its side that defends itself, we fight in accordance with all the basic principles of the un charter, we , with our struggle, embody the sacred right of any nation to self-defense, and the russians

just want to consolidate their tan and the number of percentages of respondents who is ready for any compromises, what kind of compromises are these, or in our society, you know, a monolith has formed a-a, so yes and no, our society has formed a monolith. that is, we do not see a decrease in pro-russian attacks a-a critical mass people who are ready to sacrifice everything for the sake of victory and go to this victory. there is a part of people who are ready to make certain compromises, but the situation here is also not easy. therefore , we have about 18% of respondents who said that certain compromises are possible in the negotiations with russia what kind of compromises are we talking about and this ah hmm and even these supporters are not homogeneous eh 8% are ready to give crimea to russia in exchange for peace and 6% are ready to give

crimea and the occupied territories to russia in exchange for peace donetsk luhansk regions and only three to four percent are ready to recognize the new reality the new borders of ukraine are in the form of the front line that has formed at the moment, but i still want it to be recognizable by comparison. i want to note that before the russian autorgan we had more than 50% of citizens, this was in december 21st, somewhere around 50 2 54% of citizens said that for the sake of peace it is possible to make some compromises , that is, it was not about the recognition of the status of the ordlo there, but about the recognition of the fact that these territories are captured by russia and that the we will reach and this was in december of the 21st year now the situation is radically different then in december of the 28th year

only a little more than 20% were ready to fight for victory. now there are three times more of them, that is, two-thirds, and this is a big difference, and this picture is what we convey to our western allies when we say that the issue is not our aspirations, our lack of compliance, but the fact that people have understood that russia, first of all, is not adheres to obligations , second - any compromises russia will use only in order to return to aggression and attack again in the future ukraine actually what it did was attack ukraine from the territory of the occupied crimea from the occupied territories of the donetsk luhansk regions in addition to belarus and in addition to the given northern border of the northern border of ukraine, mr. petre. in what possible way would the russians want to subtly manipulate our public we understand our temporary opinion, we did not have half a dozen tv channels and a number of our so-called paid political scientists, so-called

political experts in quotation marks, who are now mostly located in the territory of russia federation, but still, most of all, they also try to somehow influence our opinion with the help of one or another additional stories. what kind of story is this? well, this is the spread of enmity in society. this is the undermining of trust in the commander-in-chief. between the political and military command of ukraine, there are some disagreements, significant conflicts, about the fact that there is extreme corruption in ukraine, that the war is using the end for the purpose of enrichment. that is, these are the ones in fact. these are all the same old narratives. which they use in the 14th year, but i want to note here one more important point, uh, for you, this is that putin's russia, putin and the kremlin, how about with criminal psychology, they are on the path of the least accounting, perfectly

understand that ukraine is not the weakest link now and the weakest breaking point is the country of europe, that is, they work more actively in europe and want europeans' drugs because these high energy prices, high inflation - this is a consequence of the intransigence of ukrainians, that is, ukrainians do not give in, they do not want peace and because of this, you are forced to suffer economically, and therefore re-elect politicians who support ukraine and elect politicians who will put pressure on ukraine and be friends with russia , that is, now they have more emphasis on working with public opinion in european countries more than in in ukraine and here, our biggest challenge is for us to prevent a split between us and our european allies. this is an extremely important aspect, but there are other aspects that are, so to speak, no less important .

for what gave strength to ukrainians, what were the greatest achievements, so in the ukrainian imagination, and what, accordingly, were the biggest facaps, not events with a negative connotation, so to speak. and we asked open questions about what people consider to be the event of the year why did they draw inspiration for themselves during this terrible and difficult year, open questions , that is, people themselves named options for unprepared answers in advance, therefore , people drew the most inspiration from their relatives, close relatives in our armed forces and named such a source as inspiration and support as a belief in victory, as for symbols, we have a long list of up to 10 memes with which ukrainians associated resistance in the struggle, so 52%

said that it is azov steel or that azov steel is associated with ukrainian resistance of the people in the struggle and 50% is an incentive for the russian warship to go on a sex cruise, here is a trailer, it says that people do not lose their sense of humor and this sense of humor is very important and uh, that azov steel is the defense of mariupol which er was successful in terms of sustainability wants russia occupied the territory, and this also once again emphasizes the confidence of the citizens in the fact that, despite all the difficulties, yes, in the end, we will be able to win . azovstav thank you petre petro burkovsky political analyst executive director of the democratic initiatives foundation named after ilka kucheryava ex-head of the

russian federation research center well, unfortunately, there is a message from kharkiv that the city's infrastructure will be attacked by rockets again clarify the information in general, let's talk further about the supply of gas to europe, this issue remains an important weapon in the arsenal of the russian hybrid war with ukraine and all of europe, in fact, on december 1, gazprom reduced ukraine's gas exports to the european union by almost two times, and now hints at the possibility of resuming supplies under certain conditions, frightening the europeans with a cold winter and this is far from the first round of the gas war, however, since 2005 russia blackmailed ukraine and then europe with the cold, our next story is not the economy, but the politics of russia has been using gas as a lever of political influence for 30 years, back in 1993, president boris yeltsin for the first time exchanged the ukrainian debt for gas in the amount of 800 million dollars

for the transfer to russia of part of the ships of the black sea fleet. in cheap gas cheap forest and this is another illusion 2005 the victory of the maidan and the coming to power of viktor yushchenko, who is not loyal to the kremlin, then russia again used gas as a means of direct political pressure at the end of 2005 gazprom demanded from kyiv to pay for fuel at the so-called european prices under the causal contract and from january 1 sharply reduced the supply of fuel ukraine was forced to sign a new agreement the price of gas doubled and a corrupt intermediary company entered the market in which gazprom had its share -е что true independence of ukraine is possible only under conditions when there will be energy independence of ukraine at

the beginning of 2009, russia baselessly accused ukraine of gas theft and on january 7 completely stopped the transit to europe in brussels demanded an immediate settlement of the conflict without trying to figure out who provoked it, with the direct participation of ukrainian prime minister yulia tymoshenko and russian prime minister vladimir putin, new gas contracts were signed with cable conditions for ukraine. in 2010, the gas issue was again linked to the black sea fleet. yanukovych and medvedev signed the infamous kharkiv agreements there. ukraine agreed to extend the term the stay of russian ships in sevastopol for 25 years, and russia gave a discount on gas of one hundred dollars for 1000 cubic meters

. alternative ways , in particular, two northern streams appeared. as a result, in 2021, the share of russian fuel in the eu balance was 45%, for which the europeans paid putin 100 billion dollars in the spring of this year, putin sharply reduced fuel supplies to europe, demanding an end to support for ukraine, once again using gas as a political weapon . frame did the ukrainians ever elect yanukovych as the president on such a day? this is what

it turns out to be in the biography of the political biography of our people, although of course we are sure that there were certain manipulations of the election plan well, the plot was not about that, the story with gas is more important than the story about yanukovych about the bad, and we'd better do a good analysis on this account, especially since we are in touch with yurii provodenko, the additional minister of energy and coal industry p yurii, we congratulate you glory to ukraine glory to the heroes good day well, we would like, so to speak, to immediately proceed to the analysis of the gas situation both in ukraine and on the european continent well , because as far as we understand putin 's plan, so to speak, to freeze or at least to frighten the european union, it did not materialize, fortunately for us, gas prices are now rapidly rolling downwards, will such a trend be strong for a long time, and in general, in

your opinion, what is currently being done in the gas sector, in particular, in our country, putin's plan regarding not regarding gas and the impact of the situation with gas to europe, to ukraine, of course, failed as it failed and today their attack on the electric power industry is not working, it is not working, that is why and nothing is working on gas so far in relation to europeans because europe has enough gas reserves today in europe will not be needed soon there will be gas that is produced and supplied to russia that is why russia shot itself in the foot and everything is going everything is going according to plan as they say as they say their their their president, the situation with gas in ukraine well, i would say that it is quite stable. it seems to me that there is enough gas to

pass the autumn winter period and to end the winter period for seeds. we also have the opportunity to receive gas from the european direction, so it seems to me that in this situation that exists today, there is no serious damage to the gas pipeline system. therefore, for now, the situation is calm. it is sufficiently controlled and the gas reserves should be enough for us, of course, as far as we are concerned, i would still expand the geography a little and talk about what you have already noted mr. yuri europe has diversified gas supplies for itself and can now do without russian gas, it would be great to understand in general how exactly europe managed to do this at the expense of what

managed to do it, and if everything is clear with the current heating season, will there be a problem with the next one? there is such an analysis . unfortunately, it seems that europeans may face new challenges. it seems to me that europe is ready for new challenges as well. europe has already felt that it is possible to do without e- without this, such an evil gas supplied by russia and the russian federation, and we see the example of the same germany, which , let's first say, very seriously supported supported all these flows that it participated in the construction of and it wanted to become the largest hub for the distribution of this gas, however, the situation has changed very sharply today, there is gas from norway, there is gas that can be supplied by the united states. i think that europe is preparing in advance, consulting its

efforts in the european commission in the european union, and i think that russia is having a hard time in this situation. yes it's a bit russian, so to speak , prime minister oleksandr novak said that the russian federation is ready to restore gas supplies to the countries of the european union via the yamal gas pipeline, but europe emphasizes that it is primarily necessary for europe. to provide this gas, we have it, it is not clear how they will realize this need in general, especially since we have information that european storage in general does not need russian gas now, it is true that these statements are already today the minister of energy , with whom he personally signed certain agreements at one time in the 14th year, he feels that the situation has seriously changed in

the gas market, and today there is an opportunity in other countries to increase gas production, and there is an opportunity to diversify these sources of gas supply that's why it goes like this already peace-loving rhetoric that we can increase you and before they said that it is impossible to do without these northern streams and so on, so you know this rhetoric should be listened to and europe should also listen to it, but europe no longer believes those plans, those words, the words of russia and ukraine has shown russia in europe, dear mr. minister, you mentioned that ukraine has enough gas to get through the autumn-winter heating season, but we understand that it will soon be spring, i don't know , march, april, and so on. and the issue of supplying blue fuel in our

gas storages and the corresponding directions. where will we get gas in order to maintain the gas balance? these are the streets, of course, our own gas and the gas that we will receive from europe, and if we were able to survive this year during the war under during the hot phase of the war, they were able to withstand this situation with the supply of gas, so i think that in the next year, when i think that the review of this, the strongest day is working, this is it, and we are not saying that there will be an increase. on the contrary, there will be a decrease in the production of our gas. unfortunately, where is the war, but the gas that we will get from europe after all, i think that it will be enough for us to

pass the next autumn and winter season after all, and accordingly we understand that the enemy is launching massive missile strikes on the energy sector our infrastructure, the enemy is currently aiming at electric facilities, the question is whether he can, so to speak, focus on gas infrastructure facilities, of course he can do it, but it seems to me that the situation here will be more difficult for russia because, after all, e- e russia has very serious obligations even in european countries for the supply of gas, and it carries out this er transit immediately on our territory, that is why such strikes er on, let's say, objects that carry out today er extractions of gas supply russia will probably treat this is careful, although of course we can expect

any steps from our neighbor, but it seems to me that our air defense is also taking significant steps. we can see this even today in order to prevent the development of situation to some critical-critical level, of course we would not like to bring the situation to a critical level, but we understand that the enemy is simply inadequate, so, well, we also cannot exclude, so to speak, the level of escalation. well, maybe we have prospects to develop our additional gas storage facilities now , yes well, we received positive information from turkey, where they seem to have found some crazy billions of cubic meters of new additional storage. well, accordingly,

gas deposits are not storage. productive potential objects, yes, in particular, we are talking about storage deposits, more precisely , shale gas, this lviv region , kharkiv region, what about this ? -e previous years per year per year from the bottom from the bottom here is the production of gas, especially of the state company, but naftogaz , including the ukrainian production jacket. er, he he considered quite significantly, involving a rather serious circle of specialists, why didn't it happen in our country, where, where, where were there, but let's talk

about the negative aspects, why our gas production does not increase at all. you know that we do not fulfilled all those all those programs planned there for 2020 and so on. and there were many promises and promises from the prime ministers of the heads of naftogaz, so it seems to me that it is on the way very seriously, this block is this direction of work regarding gas production should be reviewed because of course, we have opportunities to increase gas production, but on the other hand, these opportunities are decreasing due to the fact that the war , but still, these opportunities have not decreased due to, let's say, rather inefficient, ineffective work in ukrainian production uhu well, i can't ask yuri before starting the conversation with you, we saw the story of such a

story, after all, the story of russian blackmail of gas and into the windows of our country from the european union. well, and the episode with the gas agreement, in the direct language of vladimir putin and yulia tymoshenko, please evaluate these events if you can do it accordingly , being at one time in a responsible position, now with the passage of time and at that time i was the minister of energy and of course i was a participant in these events by signing the signing of these contracts were er signed, so of course i er i will speak more positively about what was happening what was happening then, although of course there was a lot of criticism, you know what yanukovych did later with

er the prime minister of ukraine, he arrested him er there were trials, but i am you i'll tell you, do you want to say my assessment, or is it a positive step? god gives this step in a political sense, if you can do it. well, of course, this is a purely pragmatic step for us. at that time, a direct agreement was already signed between by gazprom, otherwise by oil and gas, this is a plus without any intermediaries . how do you know that the price is the price for the first year ? the price was already market and as far as you know very much there was a lot of criticism that this price is too high and so on, but for some reason

today no one is talking about the fact that the price should not be market in relations with counterparties, someone, the counterparties were not russia or europe yes, but always when the relations with russia were going to the ground, sometimes for some reason they always wanted a price lower than the market price. and of course, when we had such a price lower than the market price, then we must have lost something in a different political plan, we were giving something away. so, do you remember those kharkiv agreements that yanukovych later signed for so that the price was not at the market level, but we still had the answer, we had the anchoring of this non-eternal sevastopol fleet in the crimea , so what did that come out of that and what did it come out of that in the end although at that time they applauded and said what a very serious

victory it was from the point of view of the price of gas , therefore, i believe that a step has been taken towards pragmatic market relations with russia, such relations should always have been, and everything else is in my opinion, in my opinion, we even signed the agreement on transit gas thanks to this agreement, it was successful in the same arbitration. and by the way, i was already a minister in the 14th year, and it so happened that i and even putin . in that year, you signed uh, you mean these contracts . and now you criticize them, and the situation has completely changed. the situation has changed in general for me. on the market, they refused to peg the price, as at that time the price was pegged to the price

to the price of oil. and then they left. er, it was already stipulated in all the contracts that we we we work on the sport of the market and attachment to the market price, so this is the situation in my opinion. thank you, mr. yuriy, for this extremely interesting conversation. yuriy sold to the former minister of the energy and coal industry. well, in our country now, so to speak , it is time to transfer the word to the news, but we will also inform you about the important events of the minister of foreign affairs of the russian federation, sergei lavrov, who is simply rebroadcasting what he was allowed to rebroadcast in the kremlin, and russia refuses to negotiate with ukraine on the basis of the peace formula he proposed the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyi, putting forward various ideas and formulas for peace, zelenskyi nurtures the illusion of achieving, with the help of the measure, the withdrawal of our troops from the russian territory of donbas, separate zaporizhzhia and kherson oblast, payment of reparations to russia, compulsory attendance

at international tribunals, etc., of course, we will not negotiate with anyone on such conditions said the belarusian defense ministry said that during the massive russian attack on ukraine, a ukrainian anti- aircraft missile allegedly fell on the territory of belarus state information the belta agency published a photo of this missile, claiming that it belongs to the s300 system , radio svoboda, on the other hand, emphasizes that no confirmations in the city and the date of the picture have led to this. well, it may be a fake story, so to speak, in general, we are passing the baton now, our colleague will probably tell you more with updated information from the previous hour, iryna passes on the word thank you colleagues literally in a moment about the most important thing, please wait