at least in geopolitical issues in the school of the soviet union, the soviet and political school, i have encountered many times that there are many people who sincerely worry about ukraine and gossip and think only in the ukrainian language. to study we do not have a professional academic study of the main opponent - this is a huge drawback, there should be an institute of russia, we should know russia better than the russians, then it will go into scientific analysis, and then it will happen the main thing is that we will not only accurately evaluate the possibilities, but we will begin to guess at least once in a while the intentions of the russian federation, whether they want to conclude a trade year with us, or whether there are military or military things, or their policy in relation to china, to belarus , to donat, and so on. and so on. it must be based on a well-grounded expert assessment, and this, as we can see, is very difficult, because, for example , highly respected western analysts made a mistake three times in six months, it is a shame that they made a

mistake in assessing the combat capability of the army afghanistan is a complete mistake, they made a mistake in assessing the combat capability - this is the russian army, a complete mistake, tragic for the russians and they made a mistake in assessing our ability to act against the armed forces of ukraine of the ukrainian people three times in six months, well, this is for a very sophisticated and very deep and very traditional school of analysis in the west, even we we see how it is not easy to say that we were naive, we were naive, that we flushed 2.5 million people in the toilet of the largest corker group in europe in 1991 and sold everything to africa in the middle east, we can say that everyone is wrong. israel, i remind you, after six wars with the arabs, after the other two, the fact is that they managed to conclude with the peace of the donkey a measure on the territory that turned out to be completely correct and it is much worse than the minsk agreements taken together, that is, the people of aspirations peace

is capable of making mistakes, even such intelligent people who charge even after six wars, i really want, i work on it 24/7 so that ukrainians we all draw the right conclusions about the russian federation, in general, we will get our security, so that one war like this is enough for us the blood of one or six of the players is one, and we have to fight for this every minute or so, i am very glad that i am the only one who thinks so and i want to thank you for the question. i heard what you said before - before i studied. of the president, who switched on, who answered these questions, which , er, may not have been. to the large lviv audience thank you and now we give the floor to our guests who are in the studio well, maybe

they spoke a little less, you know well, we have to where who came later did not speak but rostovych's time has come, if someone there treated him well, someone maybe not and more personalities everyone has their own thoughts about the 22nd year, predictions for the 23rd year, sir, once again , i give you the floor. thank you very much. the main thesis is that the ukrainian people have shown themselves as an army. this is true. the people are an army in the internal dimension. territorial defense as a total defense in place but a new

ukrainian armed forces appeared and an emergency order began to form let's say another part of the ukrainian armed forces that shows itself very worthy and this is good but the bad thing is that we currently lack the total awareness of the people, the army as a total territorial defense as a civil defense that concerns the entire population of ukraine, especially those who show a desire to help . initiatives as you like, but it is not generally national, it is not accepted, this concept

failed, but territorial defense appeared, this is the first moment, the second moment, ah, which is probably connected with the same fear of the president's office, because they blocked the concept of territorial defense the most, which they used to register which it was developed by the advisor of the secretary of the security council of kryvonos and so it moved us, it moved quietly. okay, well . people take weapons and leave without even asking . and when to surrender, where to sign, to give a photocopy of a passport with an automatic weapon, how

was it, or in some places not to give anything at all, then to establish police control over it? brought to the floor not brought to the floor my colleagues present here know that only those that are approved by the conciliation council draft laws are not approved , although all amendments and committee amendments are also already there the second internal dimension is when a vote is held on whether the ukrainian people are capable or not capable of having weapons near them and we held many discussions and in fact the safest environments

are february march april - it is just as if the environment of armed people were the safest environments and that is why this people, the army, is something for which i strongly support, which, on the one hand, still operates autonomously and is not yet supported in our legislative initiatives that have been rejected or do not have the opportunity to get into the hall. i have already i am silent about the fact that the role of parliamentarism in this country has now been reduced to some kind. in the following, this is almost the internal dimension , the external dimension is really subjectivity, and here again it is the ukrainian people. yes, there are representatives, there are

symbols of power, after all, my people fought in all revolutions and even fought for to be able to choose to choose to be able to choose it is better to be wrong to choose others to do it but we have always been against the usurpation of power we have always been against the fact that we have a totalitarian history it is necessary to distinguish between the law of martial law the legal regime of martial law and the monopolization of information, economic , legislative, international and other streams and initiatives. and these are different things, and here we also have

a huge failure. only one particle can represent and if we have in the committee i am now as the secretary of the committee on foreign relations between the parliamentary cooperation and we postpone such voting, let's say wait, well, there can't be a monomajority list for serious representations, it turns out that the government is forming its own delegation, which includes only its people's deputies, they are no longer coming from the parliament, but what is this about, and the award is received by the ukrainian people, and our colleagues see

it, they emphasize it and they constantly draw attention to the fact that the war is not a reason to try to usurp power, it is precisely the business of the entire ukrainian people, and that is why the ukrainian people , the army, do not always act synchronously with the wishes of some politicians, even the highest this is the second dimension, and the third dimension is the one about which this is how i started talking about what he said nicely about the zero year, i don't know what to add here about the zero year, but i am not very optimistic about what will happen to us in another year we have vacuum cleaners, it's the economy, or rather, it doesn't exist. the ministry of finance is the second

ministry in the country, which is responsible for the war . this is working labor resources and er calls from the authorities that sound some say no come others say we need to ensure that people return things say in no case do not return look do not load our critical infrastructure that's why i have a big doubt er what capacity we will have to have a second and third year and a big

doubt about whether the ideas about the future of our country coincide with those interested large circles, let's say, who are already developing projects for the future reconstruction of ukraine and technological and cultural and which what should be the political environment here and what should there be or rather should be the absent religious environment, that is why we face a lot of challenges and the awareness of this is not there yet and in fact, thank you to your program for the fact that you gather various

representatives, but there is no dialogue there is no dialogue about the future it is absent simply as a professional dialogue it is not time for us to rebuke someone or someone else we were talking about constructive let's talk about constructive and i have one small brand i can't well he can't share because on the one hand specifically when we not so long ago, and here it is not even just an istanbul convention, but in general about the relationship to our religious institutions, to the church as an institution, and when every parish practically collects millions and this and this is only celebrated at the local level at the highest level, all personal

letters from the blessed were completely ignored ignored by the office and everyone else, on the other hand, listening to the speech at the congress, i see how shockingly god is mentioned, may god protect him, may god help ukraine, etc. and i have one question, but using this very thing i i just have to voice him on the air. i believe in a talented, uh, talented man who voices the lyrics with dignity, who is currently in the highest position in our country, our president, but the lyrics are written by people. i understand that it is one thing to voice them. another is to understand what they mean 35 another question. if we were to build something

else behind all of that, i only have one thing to pay attention to this one and bring it to compliance, because if we say that we rely on our people, then we cannot follow them and simply throw them away from any day shift just who are you nobody got up and left if you came yourself signed up well but we were going to the defense we now want to be discharged your personal problems you are now going under the command of another brigade so good what does it do to us we brought it let's give it no we we will open another case against you now, and the churches are collecting, well, collect, go and collect for yourself, as an institution that has enjoyed the highest trust of ukrainian society all its life according to all ratings, now it is just somewhere in

the past and it is crumbling and it hurts a lot and that is why this correspondence must be preserved and the most outraged is the semi-farce that took place in the verkhovna rada, this address of the president, because the texts are well written . okay, as a function, i understand our president who voices these well-written texts, well, you can’t speculate only about the soldiers and everything else, we don’t do anything they heard nothing about our economy, we heard nothing about what our flag is, and most importantly, everyone who was in the hall of representatives of any political party was simply deleted from the discourse, this is a mass that sits and listens carefully. if i am the council in

i am discussing with my colleagues, if you have a different impression, there was a lot there, and i am good. about the other thing, i am talking about the fact that we have a parliamentary-presidential republic even before the introduction of the legal regime of martial law. in fact, the parliament was leveled, its role is parliamentary, this is the first moment, and the second moment about where we are going, we are very precise and i still do not know who our north korea will be with such rates of development and unfortunately our closest friends who say, well, we allocate a lot of funds, but let's let's report, let's open the reports well, when in february the most terrible things and suddenly this in the committee of national security, security and defense

suddenly opened the question and stop, how can you keep it valuable and how can you make money at this time, these are also questions that we will become stronger if we them we will raise them, we have to raise them, that is why we are actually working to make it happen. we do not have a platform, there is no dialogue, and i claim that the conciliatory council is not a platform in which there is a dialogue, that unfortunately the government works separately, the parliament is practically zero separately, civil society on its own and survive as you want. but this nationwide zero, i would dream of such a zero, because they are about the circle in which our future should be decided.

now we are talking, and this and this is clear here, even if it is not surprising. the point is only that time is not running and we have to somehow move with it. let me remind you that the artist andrii sagan and also a serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine of the national guard is currently painting a picture that represents the next year 2023. it turns out quite well . i like that there are flowers in this picture. perhaps some poppies later, andriy will probably explain to us a little more or share his thoughts. mykhailo golovko, mykhailo tsimbalyuk, taras batenko. please, everyone will have a say in what we say. add your thoughts . we are really happy that during this year, despite all the prices , we had simple conditions . the opportunity to work live, to invite everyone we deem necessary, and to invite the authorities to us, she always has a say here, regardless of whether she

comes or not, we are for the fact that in the studio had a discussion and different opinions were heard, and moreover, we are ready to become the platform where there will be a discussion about the future of the country, we always invite to this. i really believe that next year there will really be more such conversations. good evening studio. i thank you very much for the invitation that there is an opportunity today to take part in this program to communicate express my opinion i would like to say for, first of all, for the 22nd year, the results of the 22nd year, how much it influenced and changed us well, i do not agree with the thesis that this is a zero year for us because it is wrong in us. we should never get rid of our history, our heritage, our experience of our past, and so this year is a turning point. this is indeed a very important year in the history of our state, our nation. maybe we would even form a ukrainian society, a ukrainian nation, united it against a common the enemy of the logical, carefully and we

have changed radically, there has been a change in our heads, this change has happened in society, well, in general, in the whole world, because the attitude towards ukraine has changed. so we can they even confused and broke the plans, and it's not only there, we're talking about in russia , europe, america, china, and so on , they all changed their attitude toward us. we not only sow buckwheat there, so are swineherds that ukrainians are a nation of warriors, defenders of what andriy already spoke about, and a nation that has behind it the genetics of the cossack era of sichov shooting, which of the ukrainian insurgent army , because right now, today, you are grandchildren the soldiers of the rebel army are at the front, the grandsons of soldiers who did not have a chance at that time and it was not much more difficult for them to start fighting against the reich, which was marching victoriously

in europe, asia and africa. in 1942 , the ukrainian insurgent army, when hitler's army was standing there near moscow, that's why the guys understood that the only way to save the nation is to protect it only with weapons in their hands, they understood that they would not survive, but they must leave behind these fruits for us future generations, and that's when we already had a chance to declare independence in 1991 , unfortunately, unfortunately, the 30 years of our statehood were, you know, a bit bitter experience for us, because we had a powerful socio-economic base, yes, and we had a military, we were nine 1st country in the world in terms of military air defense, but for 30 years, the government has systematically ruled in this case, i am talking primarily about these representatives of russia, their nomenclature, agents destroyed the entire ukrainian economy, the ukrainian army, the ukrainian air defense,

in total, we had a powerful fleet of 1,200 the ships were destroyed, we had a powerful aviation, they are being destroyed by these 22m3 heavy bombers, they were simply handed over, cut to pieces, the generals came, i apologize not only to the russians, but also to nato and applauded, they said that ukraine will demonstrate its power, true strength, and our officers turned their heads and cried and cried 24 and such was destroyed, well, they gave the third nuclear arsenal in the world for which they did not receive a single guarantee, you correctly said that this is a piece of paper. what they signed is worthless. practically capitulation, treason, and i apologize to no one, they did not punish us, but our partners, i will not speak for the muscovites. it is clear there, but our partners, allies, britain, the states, and guaranteed it, said so cool, well done, let ’s do it, but today we can’t ask them for a tank, today we need a plane no one gives but already says that america and nato do not have guns. i apologize that the shells have not

run out. they have been preparing for a hunger war against the soviet union for 50 years, and today , instead of them, instead of oil countries, what billions it spends on its own security, we fight, we die, we kill a muscovite, and they have run out of shells , they say that there is nothing for us, we will not help anymore, because everything is over for us. well, isn't this blasphemy and not cynicism, that's why the ukrainians really broke all the cards, confused all the plans they thought that everyone would disperse, that everyone would leave the exam with help. they said get on the planes, flee to our generals, to our authorities, to our people instead of ensuring that there will be no war in ukraine because we will send a fleet to the black sea, reinforcements, those the ships should not have been withdrawn so that they were withdrawn before the war so as not to provoke, on the contrary , as everything was done to georgia when, before the time of the republic, the invaders attacked georgia, what did america do, sent an aircraft carrier here , reagan, and you gave 12 hours, they said that

they would attack russia and russia immediately and immediately knocked out its troops and stopped it. why , no one was afraid of the third world nuclear war, and so on, but here we see that something completely different is going on behind the scenes. but despite all those there are some precondition agreements plans and all those measures, sit down at the negotiating table, remember how she sang i apologize , italy, france and germany at the beginning, that is , today we understood that there will be no agreements that the ukrainians will fight to the end, we will stand despite the fact that we are so critically short of weapons, we are so short of guns that indeed, zaluzhnye clearly noticed, give me three - 300 tanks, 500 guns, 700 e-e armored personnel carriers, armored vehicles, and armored vehicles. and then we will be able to attack, then we will be able to. losses because i just returned from bakhmut a few days ago and met with our guys every day i lost unfortunately and realistically

we are simply losing in the number of weapons we have no shells we really have nothing to go on the offensive and this will have big consequences for us what is this generation that we are losing? that is, these are orphaned children, crippled, this is the fate of these young guys who did not even leave behind offspring, well, that is, it is really the destruction of an entire generation, you know, people like genoa destroyed the entire gene pool, so this war is genocide against us, but at the same time, today we changed the situation in the world to such an extent that the whole world began to recognize ukraine in us today the whole world began to change the position regarding the holodomor, remember, for 31 years we could not force the recognition of the holodomor as genocide because there was fierce opposition from moscow stood, and today germany even did it despite the fact that today the council of europe did it and so on, that is, a turning point has passed and this is our success, a joint success.

our own army is enough to protect this country, but if its people will fight with their own army, no one will conquer this country, no one will stop it. well, today we united around the armed forces of ukraine, around our army we became one whole in order to fight and win. of course, what is needed there is a lot to do today on the part of the government. i don't want to criticize, i won't do it, but we really need to transfer the economy to military flights, we need to start our own vpc, our own production, i don't want to say but there is a problem because we also have factories that are working, but for me - the defense is not being bought and the production is slowing down. the whole process must be done, it must be done in such a way that we do not turn into a country of raw materials. we have practically no economy. the production industry has been destroyed in our main slogan today, instead of stimulating domestic production, is that international partners

are visa-free. will return and this is the second problem after the war will be the demographic crisis, because today no one tells me about it. and you know that we have a low birth rate now, because you always during the war, the survival instinct was to give life after yourself, to give birth. why did men and women want to do this ? and during the second he and such was the case today exactly 9 months after the beginning of the full-scale invasion, or 10 already passed since the beginning of the full-scale invasion. yes, we have a demographic. there is no birth rate because people do not believe. well, this is a big problem because we did not give a vision today do you believe in the future of ukraine, that there will be security here, that there will be a future here, that there will be work here, that we will win and so on, that's why i really didn't want to ask the arresting officer a question, or because it doesn't make sense to me, other than that, it's not a manifestation of the thought, it's just that giving a person the opportunity is painful to answer there uncomfortable questions, so i want to

say the following, friends, today we have to do everything in order to win first, but two victories are not only on the front, there is a military one, which is number one, it is an internal victory, which is safe, it is an economic one it is cultural, it is religious, if today the government is thinking of touching or not touching the moscow patriarchate, such as the russian church as the bastion of the russian peace, the foundation of their aggressive policy, and fop ukraine, and this is an absurdity, we, er, i apologize, initiated the very beginnings of freedom back in march registered bill 7204 on the banning of the moscow church. we were the first to convene this regional council in ternopil and voted to support the ban . we collected more than 100,000 signatures stating that to ban this church, we understand that this should be our ideological victory, just as

there are no russian monuments of their culture, their language, everything that connected us without moscow, and this is exactly the year, this is a turning point, that separation from moscow, that's why we don't we forget that this process started, it didn't start today and we infantilized it in the 13th year in the 13th year with the events of the maidan and if the maidan had not won, there would be lukashenko number two, yanukovych with a lifetime government from totalitarianism with a liquidated democracy and as if he had the right to say nothing, that's why andriy said correctly. we have no right today to shut our mouths there and destroy democracy or local self-government. well, how do we, for example , take away the powers of local authorities? we don't approve budgets like this today. is this normal? when is there? hello, this is bbc new from ukraine, olha palamaryuk works in the studio in london, and today we will talk about this