persons who are interconnected, but for the state it is more than a dozen thousand legal entities and none of them appear. if i am not mistaken, there is no name russian orthodox church, so that is, for a start, this law must finally come into effect, uh, in fact, for all these years there were no obstacles to its implementation, but the current minister of culture has repeatedly emphasized that this law can divide society . to the patriarchate, on the other hand, this law should have been implemented a long time ago, and accordingly, someone should be held responsible for the fact that it is not implemented, and there is a separate decision of the infamous kyiv district court regarding 266 organizations, this is monasteries and diocesan administrations regarding them, this is the norm stopped by the law but i think that these are also issues that can be easily resolved if there is a

desire . bills, yes, because i talked about what should be adopted, thank you, we will now discuss it with the honorable people's deputies, taras antoshevskyi, the head of the religious information service of ukraine, was in touch with us . the ban on the activities of the uoc, which is actually directly connected with the moscow patriarchate and further results 54 days they believe that this church should be completely banned in ukraine 24% are in favor of a somewhat softer approach which does not provide for a complete ban, but provides for the establishment of state control

and supervision, only 12% of respondents believe that nothing should be done and should not be interfered in the affairs of the ukrainian orthodox church and that only certain possible cases of offenses should be investigated we are talking to people 's deputies, this is yevheniya kravchuk from the servant of the people and from the faction of the european solidarity rostyslav pavlenko, good evening, dear guests, so let's start with you ms. yevgenia recently. yes, you commented on the draft law that you were considering at the committee. and please tell me if there are currently any obstacles to the prohibition of obstruction and in order for it to be adopted . and they are all deputies. and we are still waiting for the registration of the draft law, which

is currently being prepared by the state service on ethopolitics and freedom of conscience. i.e., under the prime minister, the head was changed to viktor yeletskyi. just a few days ago, the chairman of the committee and i had a conversation with him, and the text of the draft law is already at the final stage, it will be registered in january and then it is clear that the verkhovna rada will legislate in january and february, depending on our meetings, the question will be settled. why am i saying this with such certainty because there is a presidential decree, where is it? the time of absence of light not only says what should happen

legislative regulation so that there is no religious organization that is directly connected to the country of the aggressor, there will not be any law of the first one, this has fallen . to be connected with the fact that they have a connection with the aggressor country, because then it will not be an interference with freedom of conscience, but it will be the protection of national security, and i believe that it is definitely necessary to adopt and our committee supported bills that eliminate bureaucratic obstacles for transitions, voluntary transitions that are currently happening, but we, as a profile committee, will receive hundreds of letters from various regions where people complain that the statute is hidden somewhere , some other obstacles are found somewhere, and we

hope that it will be possible to solve it in a comprehensive way and more another question is state-owned property - it is the lavra, but we will probably talk about it too, but later. i guess when a colleague expresses his opinion, we will talk. and i want to ask mr. rostislav about mr. rostislav in your opinion, how can it now be proven and is it spelled out in the draft law, how to prove that the uoc, now called the mp, belongs to the russian orthodox church? first of all, just a couple of days ago, the constitutional court of ukraine confirmed the constitutional the law that was adopted back in december of 18th year and which stipulates that the church that has its center in the country of the aggressor must clearly state this and present the truth to society, show who it is and why this law was set, the criteria for

membership are clearly written there, this applies to and organizational connection, this concerns the participation of representatives of the church, what is the action in ukraine, the head of the church bodies in ukraine, aggressors and similar criteria , it is very important that just now the constitutional court has removed any questions regarding this law, because practically the same logic should work in the law that speaks of evgenia, and about which we are all talking today about the already banning of the russian orthodox church and its activities in ukraine and all its miniatures, so to speak , now it is fashionable to talk about all related structures, dependent structures and such other well, in principle, that's why my colleagues and i submitted bill 8221, which was supported by the specialized committee yevgeny , correct me, it seems that there was a unanimous decision on it, on the same day , these things are also foreseen in this way.

the main thing is that it really is inter-factional support and there is inter-factional support for this idea and for the prohibition of the moscow church and all those organizations that are dependent because there are also clear criteria in this law, where one can say about this affiliation. who was headed by the dealer in the park, he is already conducting an examination and actually clearly established the connection between the uoc mp and the rpc, so i think that now there is a presidential decree for the decision of the mrb. i think that it has now been stopped in this sense, there will not be many problems because the factual work has been carried out and i hope that here we will really receive this conclusion and an understanding of the initial criteria. which church has a center in the country of aggression? well, actually, regarding the property , evgenia, the question you raised, how will it be

resolved, and taking into account that fact that already from the first day hm, actually, the uoc mp will not be able to use several premises, or with some kind of these premises. in state ownership, this is actually a reserve, so what exactly, for example, does our ukrainian orthodox church hold a service there? on this question, but i would like to end with an examination, because now, in fact, somewhere, this service is held by the central body of the executive power. the examination of the charter, including the fact that there is an

internet connection, may disappear, and somewhere by the end of january, this examination will be ready, but it is clear that there are, well, you know, some other options, obviously it cannot be like this in the end, because there really is no such thing as an independent church, as written in this letter and in principle what is included in the synod of the russian orthodox church is a number of clergymen, well, this is also proven by the connections. property indeed, from january 1, the lease e for e mp e-e uoc mp e-e of two e churches there is a trapezoid and a cathedral of e-e upper lavra e is very good that during yanukovych's time , these two objects simply did not have time to hand over the indefinite lease

that's why, when i'm finished, you can tear it up, which is what happens next. as far as i know, the decision has not yet been made to hand over these grams to someone for permanent use. in the beginning at least by way of such prescriptions, that is, when, in uh, the same ptsu will have the opportunity at some time to conduct worship in this way. the situation is more difficult for pochaev. why? because the pochaiv lavra is leased, in my opinion, until 2052, well, that is, such a long-term lease, and the lower lavra is for an indefinite period, and during yanukovych’s time, they simply gave an

indefinite lease to the first thing that you can get hold of, and this is what is happening now the examination is about the violation of the nature- monument protection legislation already appeared today. information, what does it mean in the cathedral of the upper lavra, did they paint their portraits there, whether on the ceiling or on the walls, it means their portraits, this is pavel. there is onufria and someone else. well, that is, how and they didn't get permits and it's obvious that there was a lot of reconstruction in the lower lavra, just like in pochaivska , they are constantly building something, bricking, etc. that's why this is one option and the second, again, is if when there is a religious ban the organization itself which is affiliated has connection with the aggressor country is then in the court. well , first of all, we need to have a court decision, because we want to. we are a european country. we don't want to run into any lawsuits in the european court of justice and so on.

to develop and it is obvious that work on this will continue, because this is also in the presidential decree. finally, what i want to say about is that it is important for us to simply cut this leading octopus like this, to expel him, but it is not necessary that it turn into a war with all parishes, we we have to provide people themselves want the opportunity, because we see this sociology to transfer to the orthodox church of ukraine, or to remain, for example, an independent community there, this is also an option, if it will be okay for them so that it does not turn into, you know , how is it with you, standing for the faith in yes, thank you, ah i'm just limited in time, but i want mr. rostislavovych to give the floor, but mr. rostislav how to do it. so, summarizing the words of your colleague, how to do it in a country where the state and the church are separated secularly, if i'm not mistaken, there is such a word as in

as a result, we can put an end to this in this issue and that in the end, as evgenia spoke about giving the opportunity to choose , come so that in the end we did not get saboteurs in a cassock, anu, look, i took out everything correctly said about the process, so i paid attention to another issue a little bit, the state does not just have the right and the obligation to protect its citizens from danger. and we see. unfortunately, the russian orthodox church and the uoc mp associated with it create such a danger, and the sbu, conducting, as they say, security measures and inspections, searches, and e-e, provided enough evidence moreover, there is already legislation passed in march, when it seems at our first meeting after the beginning of this large-scale aggression, which allows through the court evgenia, they say rightly through the court to ban such religious organizations, there should

be an examination and so on and the legislation that exists in ukraine it already rewrites the duty of the state, on the one hand , to support the churches in their legitimate aspirations, adheres to the constitution and laws , therefore, the issue of facilitating transitions and similar, but on the other hand, to set a clear a veil to those who work for the enemy. it is precisely this legislation that must be implemented. and in this detail, with which we started the conversation, there really must be changes to the ukrainian legislation so that there are already all the processes, all the procedures, and finally put an end to this issue, super. thank you, dear deputies, for the explanation and for painting us a picture of how the state will act in the matter of churches that work for the enemy yevheniya kravchuk, people's deputy says the servant of the people faction rostyslav pavlenko people's deputy of the european solidarity faction talked about the ban of the ukrainian orthodox church of the

moscow patriarchate in ukraine, well , the pause did not last long. you don't want garlands, instead of a handout, explosions instead of shots of champagne , shots, but on these holidays we are still together, because every day you give us the most valuable gifts of life and freedom, and we have one new year's wish: victory is ours warriors thank you we congratulate you new year's new year's

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long power outage always keep a charged radio receiver and an additional battery close at hand scan the air in on the fm and ukh bands, find a marathon of unified news and listen to the official messages of emergency services, find out where to look for help and alternative emergency contacts, get ready now, together we can reduce tensions between serbia and kosovo, demonstrators dismantle barricades on the border, however, the armies of both countries are still on full alert serbia brought artillery to the border in the eu and nato called on both sides to negotiate, let me remind you that kosovo declared independence in 2008,

established diplomatic relations with the country the united states and most of the countries of the european union, serbia considers this region to be its territory. since the declaration of independence, the parties have regularly had conflicts, in particular with the use of weapons, in august 2013, and they also signed an agreement on the normalization of relations. however, since july of this year, the situation has worsened again . the head of the balkan columnist project, natalya ishchenko, joins us. good night, ms. natalya, if you could explain to our viewers in a few words why in the last flared up again flared up again for a few months. this tension became the formal cause of the fact that kosovo began to demand from kosovo serbs to re-register car numbers from serbian to

kosovo ones, that is, serbs who permanently lived in kosovo nevertheless had serbian state car numbers that were issued for settlements located in kosovo, but kosovo, of course, considered these numbers illegal because for these settlements there were, accordingly, kosovo numbers and when this procedure of re-registration of the kosovo serbs began to protest, this led to a series of such stages of escalation, in the end, the kosovo serbs protested from all the authorities of kosovo, where they participated, and when kosovo announced new elections, that is, the authorities are invalid, new elections are needed, attacks on representatives of the central election

commission have already begun kosovo, which tried to organize the voting procedure, and these people began to be detained, who attacked the members of the cec, and as a sign of protest against the detention of these attackers, and the kosovo serbs arranged roadblocks, barricades in the north of kosovo , where there are serbian regions. and if we talk about the current situation, can it be assumed that the tension has already been removed, or can this whole story be repeated? and all observers, absolutely all analysts say that ah really now the tension has subsided a little but you can expect a repeat literally at any time why because the reason for the tension remains the reason is that kosovo considers itself

an independent country, while serbia categorically does not want to recognize this, respectively serbs who who live in kosovo believe that they live in serbia, while the authorities of kosovo believe that they are serbs who live in the state of kosovo, and these contradictions, accordingly, do not disappear anywhere and exacerbations can occur. columnists write, in particular, about the causes of these outbreaks, is it possible that there is a fifth column that shakes up the situation, you know what kind of hand it is, i would say that the outbreaks occur precisely because of local, such reasons are objective, but this is when it happens already some escalation is fanning this scalawag even more. they

are trying to turn the conflict from such a political confrontation into a military one. there is already a concrete force, and this force is russia. if before , the presence of russia was more like this, you know, it is informational and propagandist. in the last two or two years, direct intervention is already underway. there was also an attempt by serbia to set up barricades in the north of kosovo a couple of years ago, so the kosovo police detained diplomats and un mission workers near these barricades who simply brought chainsaws so that the serbs could knock down the trees controlled the process of building barricades , there was a scandal, all diplomats

were expelled, so to speak, and it supposedly stopped, but the last conflict literally a few days ago began, you know the speeches of alleged serbian radicals, serbian radicals are no longer in kosovo, in serbia itself, on the border with kosovo tried to break through the border, well, kosovo is serbia. why do we need borders, and they even clashed with serbian policemen, and then they set up a barricade on the serbian side, that is, not in kosovo , but the serbs themselves, and supposedly they are representatives right-wing serbian organizations, but the international media just found out that the leaders of these organizations constantly communicate and come to wagner's group and demonstrate friendship with this group of seven, ms. natalie, i

thank you for such details here is this conflict a we will analyze it further, eh , natalya ishchenko, head of the balkan observer project, was with us now, and in particular, what is russia's interest in a possible war in the balkans ? reiterovych is joining us. good night, you are playing, and if you heard my question , please. well, in fact, russia is very interested in this conflict, and if it finds a hot phase for the representatives of the russian authorities, it will be able to divert the attention of the western world from ukraine and from helping ukraine, let's let's not forget that serbia and ikosov declared their desire to become members of the european union, and therefore in this context for russia - this is history, this story is also about the discrediting of the european idea, but the key interest is the creation of

you know, in such a hot conflict, other countries will be distracted, they will pay attention to it, and accordingly, according to russia, they will pay less attention to what the russian federation is leading against ukraine, and russia today is actually doing a lot in terms of information so that this conflict over serbia then on the streets of big cities you will easily see banners advertising such a tv channel, just the auto dealer that works there and actively takes well, of course , they say that they take a serbian position, but this position is essentially on the instigation of this war will look at the tantrums arranged by russian propagandists on russian tv channels. in them , this topic of kosovo. on some days, it overlaps even the topic of the bedspread, or rather, even the topic of him and russia against ukraine. and this and when can only happen when they receive the corresponding instruction, perhaps the most important moment is russia believes that in this way it

will retain its influence in the balkans and its influence on serbia. crazy zhirynovsky, who died recently, and he is on his way there, yes, about the fact that several battalions of russian paratroopers should be landed there and they will quickly deal with nato there, so objectively, this is a story about the fact that russia, with the help of serbia, will distract you from its crimes. well, we hoped that she she could not carry out these crimes in the future. well, already under a certain cover and without such attention from the western country, if in theory, yes, in theory, an armed conflict begins. and on the border of serbia, kosovo, and military support financial and so on, and so on, material from the side of the western partners, it somehow changes, i am actually convinced that it will not change for one simple reason, well, in kosovo, there are representatives not

only of the united nations, but also in that including, well, nato countries are very closely monitoring this situation, and therefore, in principle, they are now doing everything to ensure that this conflict does not go into some kind of heated phase , we see that well, it reaches a certain phase , then it stops, something is accepted there compromise solutions and today, objectively, what the same european union can offer, for example, to serbia in terms of its further interests, integration into european communities, and so on. this is much more than what the russian federation can offer, so it radically changes the situation but this does not mean that russia will not try to do this, since this is one of the components of their foreign policy, they believe that by inciting these conflicts in this way, they will somehow be able to change even geopolitical plans to return russia's influence in the balkans well, to do some mischief as they

like to the countries of the european union and indirectly to the united states of america because there is a position of the united states regarding all this and it is clearly not liked by the russian federation, but this is only the general strategy of russia in different regions of the world and we see that in all regions it will not cause defeat in ukraine, this is a completely separate story because it has now covered absolutely everything and this is, in principle, already the beginning beginning i think it is already the middle of the end of even the russian federation as such a great power with such but they will still try to drag other countries and serbia along with them, in terms of everything, well, for them, it is, you know, such a territory. well, we know that the position of the serbian leadership is favorable in relation to russia and to the war that russia is waging against ukraine , and this is, in principle , used quite actively by russia so far. thank you, mr. igor , for the explanation and analysis, igor reiterovich, political scientist and head of political and legal of the programs of the ukrainian center for social

development was in touch with us a-a well, we put three dots on this topic so far, so at least until there is a lull, let it be so and let it not prevent ukraine from defeating russia on the military front well, for now, on to the air. the traditional evening address of the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyi, is ready. so let's listen . i wish you good health, dear ukrainians. first of all, i want to thank our air force fighters . another russian attack was shot down, 54 missiles and 11 attack drones were distinguished by our soldiers all over ukraine. thank you to all our air commands, the center, south, east and west. and especially we are all grateful to the soldiers of the 96th kyiv, 160th odesa, 208th kherson anti-aircraft missile brigades, today's results

are the greatest. unfortunately, we have several hits, our energy engineers and repair crews are doing everything during the day so that ukrainians feel the consequences of the terrorist attack as little as possible, and i thank everyone who is working to restore energy supply as of this evening there are power outages in most regions of ukraine, especially in the lviv region and in the capital of lviv region, in odesa, in the kherson region and in the vinnytsia region and in zakarpattia, but this cannot be compared to what could have happened if it were not for our heroic anti-aircraft fighters and papoo with each such missile attack russia is only driving itself deeper, the missile impasse is getting smaller, but the status of the biggest terrorist in the world will have consequences for russia and its citizens for a long time to come