their logistical structures, warehouses, for the rest, we will continue the offensive actions , the colonel correctly says that they begin with the fact that we destroy the warehouses, we make sure that they have logistics, and only then do the operation on land, it does not start, on the contrary, they fired when you see the world, they were a little nervous and after half an hour let's go to the next one, we will shoot in a month, a month and a half, two months, and when we achieve the goal that they will be organized and not only demoralized, then we will do, as they say, lightning effects which i visited history textbooks and statutes, military statutes to adopt as we did under curry under kherson, are the russians able to apply it to free equipment, no, by and large they are trying to modernize it, but since the russian army was built before them, it is the descendants of the soviet army, there is an anniversary there there is a commander, he is god and a king. he does not have normal relations with subordinates and does not consider them to be human beings, so even if they are assigned and in which the document is active, how should they

act? to nato standards, not because i can study it because it is the right way to enter combat - it is the right relationship between servicemen, we generally started using this one . the last question is for both of you, but if possible, mr. serhii, mr. oleksiy, answer more briefly, first, mr. serhii, did i understand correctly that soviet-russian technology is now talking nonsense, and a soldier is for a general, and nativska is a general for a soldier he's for i'm just, well, i'll tell the audience my thoughts on this later. but did i understand correctly that here it's the complete opposite, he approaches people, the lack of interaction between people, in fact, it's the superiors who need to be constantly drawn to juice. and the superiors say that

you need how to help you, that so how are you, what, how can you help to make it easier for you, warmer, more accurate, and so on p serhii and to be very brief, i will say two main points, firstly, we have a soldier and a soldier is the main combat unit, and to ensure the operation of this main combat unit, he must to do everything is possible and we are trying now to build such a system that allows us to do everything possible to ensure this main combat unit, this is the first and second, no matter how hard the russians are trying to change something in them, not everything will work out and there will not be enough time to change the basic postulate and which is characterized by such a fact that they themselves testify that a sergeant in the russian army cannot control artillery, unlike a sergeant in the ukrainian army, a sergeant in the russian army is just a soldier

you know, they are just slaves. well, how do you say, the senior slave, finally, we have slaves, a sergeant is a manager, a sergeant is a key figure who makes decisions from the point of view of the battle, and she is, you know, the determining link between the e-e team, the structure, that is, between the officers and the private composition, that is, between combat units, and this is a key position that fundamentally distinguishes us. excuse me , please, we have a time. younger by rank in older by rank into the army to drive those who hit more thank you excellent answer and thank you very much oleksiy hetman military expert veteran of the russian-ukrainian war his grab army participant in peacekeeping missions reserve colonel and i will add what i promised to add this i was struck by what happened in 1990, when

i went to london to work at the bbc and, you know, i go to the boss and my legs are shaking because he is the boss, he has a lot of people , he is a big bbc manager, and i start saying, “ can i take it, because i have it there ?” so it is necessary a you can have a pen here and a tape recorder there, i don’t know a piece of paper well, in short, i needed something, he looked at me like a complete idiot and this confirms his thoughts, it’s not just in the army, it’s in the life of europeans, it’s in the life of civilized countries, he says listen, i work for you you are not asking me and i have to constantly think that in september it was this this this this this and this and what can i ask of him then and if he is constantly standing and praying please give me, i will say through the lip i will not give it go fig

. then it is not known how journalism works then how does any organization work because the organization works in such a way that there are people on the mountain who provide the valley with the opportunity to work best and this will be confirmed by arseniy yatsenyuk politician economist lawyer twice prime minister of ukraine good health sir arseniya thank you very much for taking the time and good health mr. mykola christ was born and what must be confirmed let's praise him that western management is when the superiors see how subordinates work and help, that is, they do not greet each other from the bottom up, that the boss is the king of the gods and that he does not i said, i'm doing it, and the boss, on the contrary, looks down and says, listen here. can i help you here? let's do something here. and what will you

please me? let me give you advice. that is, they are equal people, they do the same thing, unlike the soviet union , whose century we are today as as you understand, let's all note that this is different in the army as well, as military experts have just said and my experience shows that it is very understandable that western management is fundamentally different from russian-soviet management, if you use such a word management can be applied to russian-soviet officials. mykola , i confirm that this is not only a matter of business , it is an ideology in general. what is the difference in ideologies and approaches between the west? well, dictatorships and those who represent such regimes as putin's russia, that is, personality is the basis of society, a person is the highest value, and this is the key principle of

democracy, the king does not tell and does not just tell. and push and not just push, but forces , and there is a dialogue between society and those whom society has chosen, the same is true in management those people who work for you, about whom you spoke. they are the basis. the more you care about these people, the more the return , the greater the motivation, the better the quality and the greater the joint success, the joint success of that work of that company and the country as a whole , this one we differ from russia okay, mr. prime minister, this question is very important. it seems to me that the situation in the economy is simply a war, and i was there yesterday on another broadcast, where they complained a lot about the government and the cabinet of ministers and the president and not the verkhovna rada, and i constantly looked at them i was surprised and said yes, war, what kind of mortgage

, which one, which one, what kind of small interest , what are we talking about? well, we have to win first, so then i have a question: is it possible, in principle, to do some kind of social work during the war? well, somehow, well, all the money is all the not extra money goes to the front , goes to help, people take it out of their pockets. that is, it is possible to manage the country differently during the war than the way the country is currently managed in ukraine, so war has a lot of dimensions, especially the modern war that ukraine and the whole world have faced, and of course that the main war is on the front line, this key war is where the ukrainian soldiers are, where the ukrainian armed forces defend the ukrainian state and every ukrainian, but the rear, eh, he ensures this war, and therefore, eh, the new war has

several dimensions in addition to the military dimension, of course this is the economic dimension, this is a new one. this is not a new component, because any war cannot be won by military means if you lose it. economically, the economic front is extremely important. now, the energy front has been added to the economic front. cyberpromt was added to the cyberpromt front, a large geopolitical front was added to the cyberpromt, this is a way of isolating russia from the world economy and from this world, i.e. of course, without a healthy economy, it is difficult to win a war and it is difficult to build a healthy economy during a war. how does the ukrainian economy work now? system, it will be more correct, the basis of the financial system of ukraine today is, of course, the funds of our foreign partners. in total, we received almost 32 billion dollars. i am talking about 32 billion

dollars of direct funds to the state budget of ukraine, the americans give us money as grants . that is, we will not need to return it. the decision to write off the money , that is, it is a component of the financial second part - it is the ukrainian economy itself, which is partially very seriously destroyed by russia, the worst forecasts of the ukrainian economy did not come true it is that the gross domestic product, i.e. the total economic let's say, falls by 50%, but we expect a drop at the level of 35%. and these are objective things, because the mining and metallurgical sector has been destroyed, logistics have been destroyed, it is impossible to export from the ports, and only at the expense of this so-called grain

initiative there. primarily due to external borrowing and secondly due to internal sources which are still what else there is and everything will depend on how long the war will last and the sooner the war ends with a victory, the faster the recovery of the economy will be, but the recovery of the economy after such a protracted and complicated war, simply terrible, eh, will not happen in one day and will not happen in one year therefore, these economic realities must be accepted, and such a recovery can only take place at the expense of one thing: the new marshall plan for ukraine, and the whole world must participate in this marshall plan, the united states of america, of course, as a key financial donor, and our european partners and countries of the big seven, and regarding internal reforms in the country, well, you understand how i am here. i am not a fan of the classic military economy or military communism. i believe

that even in these conditions that exist, we must preserve the private sector. we must help private initiatives. we must respect the right of private property we must think about every branch of business where we can help, either by direct subsidies or by purchasing certain goods directly from ukrainian manufacturers, or by the tax system, i.e. the economic front no less important than the military front, this is also a complex and often more philosophical question. what you said is what the experts are all saying. something can happen, so talk about the end of the war about some plan and we are still standing now with you on the eve of the new year is not worth it, but on the

other hand, i who have never been and neither the prime minister nor the speaker nor the minister of legislative affairs when i look at the russian economy, i can't understand how it will be able to exist for months, i'm not a prophet, when there are sanctions, when there are huge, huge, huge problems already present, and oil, oil production, and then this is what they shoot themselves in the foot with gas, when they themselves refuse to supply gas and so on. all this tells me that well , somehow it won't work out for a long time. i don't see it. when you say that the americans give grants, when you say that the europeans give loans. and at the beginning of the war, i asked how much is needed in some economists say that 3-4-5 billion per month is about enough for

the country to function, and the west is giving approximately such numbers now, but in russia, everything is less, less , less, less, and from an economic point of view, how long can russia last when the budget deficit is already colossal and they say next year it will be even more, i am not inclined to completely underestimate this criminal and savage state, what is russia why? because what is russia? it was and is trying to remain a big gas station. positions and at the expense of which russia is financing its military budget and in fact at the expense of which russia is financing the war against ukraine the world community should do something about what putin did not expect at all well first of all putin was expecting to seize ukraine in a few days putin was expecting that the west would fall putin was expecting that the west will not support

ukraine even with bots. putin counted on the fact that those sanctions that were introduced would not be introduced because the west would not withstand self-isolation from russian dependence on oil is bad, but everything happened exactly the opposite, and the economic forecasts that were made for russia at the beginning of russia's military aggression against ukraine did not come true for russia as of today . expected that the ruble would completely collapse, a complete collapse did not happen this year, and due to the fact that russia created an incredible shortage of energy products on the world market, in principle, it sells less, but the amount of funds it received during this year themselves if she had sold in a normal period of time, what does this mean that they receive approximately 1 billion dollars every day from the

sale of oil and gas, but this is what we are talking about today and it is getting worse and worse in russia today. why am i saying this in view of the fact that the sanctions have been introduced. i don't see a positive tomorrow in the russian economy. i don't see russia at all as putin's russia, but economic stabilization is not seen in russia. to sell gas and oil, well, first of all, oil through china, through india, through egypt, as she tried to sell through turkey, but this is exactly why our western partners introduced a price ceiling for oil, this is the first, the second, in relation to what the structure of the russian economy can be more, another structure of the russian economy is possible only in the case when they have new technologies, and the key blow to the russian

economy was the fact that foreign companies left there and the sale of any advanced technologies to russia, i.e. in russian there is no economy tomorrow, whatever putin will do, he will continue to squeeze the maximum out of his energy resources to finance his military machine, that is why the effectiveness of the sanctions and depriving russia of the opportunity to fill its budget with energy resources is the key basis and the key goal of the sanctions and precisely therefore, it is extremely important that 2/3 of the world's economies 2/3 of the world's economy, which is the entire western world that supports ukraine, do everything to ensure that russia does not circumvent the sanctions, and i do not think that at this stage we can drag china and india to the right side, they will use this situation in their own interests, but using it in their own interests is in the interests of china and

india, not in the interests of russia, so the russian economy will go down the path of decline like me and i hope that putin 's russian empire will collapse on this very day, when 100 years ago, remember, putin in 2008 in munich talked about the greatest tragedy of the last century - the collapse of the soviet union, and the tragedy really happened only in the last century the greatest tragedy of the last century. it was the creation of the soviet union, it was the creation of a prison of nations and the creation of this evil empire, and ukraine in the 22nd year did everything to ensure that this empire did not recover, and then precisely from the 14th. he is not even from a hundred, you know me i am convinced that his plans for the restoration of the soviet empire were from the first day of his tenure as the president of russia. that is, this is a neo-imperial chip that

turned with it from imperial to neo-nazi ideology, which was led by putin and he failed to celebrate the centenary of the soviet union it is thanks to ukraine and the west must realize this. by the way, the west is an influence that ukraine changed world history in 2022. ukraine and ukrainians saved the west from a new, non-cold war . ukraine must win this war and i, by the way, you have confirmed what i said, i am now confirming what you say because in 2000 from putin, well, to europe somewhere i just met with kostya ernst and he flew and he was the first person in 2000 who told me that there would be a war so that putin would attack and it was the year 2000, he only just became

the president, but he already had such plans , so i confirm it with at least one handshake, then i still shook his hand bones are unlikely now ap arseniy, look, let ’s go back, a very important moment, and the potential, you said that we need the marshall plan. yes, and when we think about the marshall plan, i think about adenauer, we think about the people who led, that schuman is how this coal was created and and steel eyes, all the first associations yes, the forerunners, then i understand that they were capitalists after all, they understood how the free market works and now when i see that we had the soviet union and then the post-soviet 30 years were not ideal, let's say frankly, many people still let's we will distribute social assistance to everyone

let's let's let's that is, it's not capitalism, it's some kind of opposite, we have enough potential and human and technological intellectual educational potential in order to simply find people who in each area you worked as a prime minister, you are better off. it is known that in each region there should be a number of dozens , at least tens, and even better, hundreds, and even better , thousands of managers who already understand how to handle money with the management that we talked about with you, how to eliminate bottlenecks and shortcomings and how to develop and how to encourage private initiative, that's all in ukraine, what the west will say tomorrow we have a trillion dollars you can take, and you

know that it is often more difficult to spend than to get, how to spend this money in a rational way, there is such an opportunity, there are such potentials ukraine, please, you said that after the collapse of the soviet union, in principle, the whole basis of the economy was well, i won't even call it socially oriented, because the economy must have a social component , this is natural, because if the social component is not ensured then there will be no order in the state, that is, then there will be no social justice, but the economy cannot be paternalistic and the economic ideology can not be post-soviet paternalistic, you know that, pick it up and share it yourself the shortest pool is the path to the destruction of the state and about the billions you are talking about of course these billions will give only billions and they give very specific not only economic reforms and under

a very specific economic policy there is no other economic policy for ukraine than a free market competitive economy examples and examples of the success of world economies because the economic system is a reflection of the political system and vice versa, that is, democracy in politics means that competitiveness is the same competitiveness in the economy - this means success , e.e. market economy - this means success , liberal and transparent economy - this means success , are there such people in ukraine ? the wave of populism in the world has flooded, but all these populists live at the expense of those who came before them, because you need to have money in

order to spend it, and in order to earn it, you need to conduct, well, on the one hand , conservative, on the other hand, very market-like what did you call, well, in our understanding , capitalist politics is generally possible, but rhyming, are these people in ukraine? of course, there is, uh, is there a different path in ukraine than the path followed by the european union, it simply does not exist , because ukraine is a candidate for membership of the european union union, if the ukrainian model of the economy does not meet the competitiveness of the market, transparency and efficiency that exists in the european union, no one will give money, simply no one will give it , it is necessary to frankly admit that in terms of human potential, i looked at a study by ella libanov publicized this institute of demography and there is a very serious problem related to the fact

that as a result of the war ukraine lost a significant part. figure that only in poland , more than 10,000 enterprises were founded by ukrainians in 8 months. and who are these people who founded these enterprises? it is clear that they are people who know how to work, which means that what the longer the war goes on, the more difficult it will be for us to return people, but we simply have no other way out, because you can have access to 100 billion dollars, but the use of this money, the development of this money and, in general, the construction of a new ukraine. this is far from only money, it is first of all people, people who know how to build a new country p. arseniy, the last

question is very important. it seems to me that this is what you say, people, and this is exactly what i will get involved in, and there are recipes bob and prime ministers and ministers, they have some, well, if they look at the country on how to do everything here what to do here but conditionally speaking there is such legislation that will allow you and me here we met and you say to me mr. mykola let's make television there conditionally i don't care that the television plant is a business and we are easy with you let's go somewhere where we we know where there is advertising and they give us permission very simply without the substation itself without bribes then we say let's go to the bank the bank says oh well give us a business plan and says well okay we will give you such a percentage here is such and such an amount and we and we then we go i don't know er to some

an institution where you can rent an area in order to create an office there. that is, what is it about when you said just about poland, there is no doubt that in poland they organized it all very easily in six months, these eight thousand because there is a normal civilized country, civilized business, and in ukraine there are a lot of people to me they complain and say that i don't understand anything about economics, so i don't know what he has to say, but they say, listen, we would like this , we would, and it's difficult there, and there it's difficult, there's a bribe , and there's no reason why there aren't any permits there, and in short, it's terrible, a terrible headache. for a micro person, for an ordinary person, you can create such conditions so that she organizes a business with a smile, earns and gives opportunities to pay taxes, gives opportunities for the country to develop further, are there any unique recipes, you know, they always try to find some unity unique

recipe such a - and as the americans say, silver bullet is such a magic bullet, some kind of bullet , yes, there are a lot of unique recipes and you just don’t need to invent a rover, this rover has already been invented, it was invented in the european at least the union is struggling with a lot of bureaucracy, moreover, i will tell you that starting from the 14th year, ukraine has made very serious progress in this matter, starting with financial discipline, because there my government was the first and, unfortunately, the only one to reduce the country's debts then we carried out the first stage of tax reform, then we reduced taxes on wages, that is, uh, then the prozoro system was introduced, well, you know this popular prozoro system for the whole world today about public procurement, because before it was complete corruption, then it was the national anti-corruption bureau, the supreme anti-corruption court, the national agency for the prevention of corruption were created, that is, the foundations were laid, the banking

system was shut down, the state budget was put in order, and it moved little by little. the greatest historical chance for ukraine to build a new ukraine, i am sure that we will take advantage of this chance, i am sure that we will win this war, i am sure that we will build and complete a strong competitive economy, i am sure that the time will come when ukraine will become a member of the european union and nato, which means that there cannot be other standards of other approaches than there in ukraine, which means that we will become members of the club of the strongest . today, we are leaders of the strongest, leaders among the strongest in terms of our struggle for our

independence, but tomorrow after the victory will be no less difficult than today's tomorrow in terms of building , building and building a new country, and we will definitely do it . inspired because it is very optimistic very nice on the eve of the new year such and such a statement from a two-time prime minister, that is, a person who understands the topic because she speaks 12 o'clock in ukraine is the time to learn about important events at this moment my greetings to all who us and we are starting the situation in donetsk region donetsk region under