ukraine in nato i remember very well my communication with him when he told me, well, you understand, that is, ukraine is part of the event 100%. ukraine should be in the eu, but nato. yes, but we need to think, we need to build , that is, in such a strategy for a century ahead, and what he is writing now that ukraine should become part of nato, this actually says a lot, a lot, and i think we like the game already somewhere or one does not like this wise man and he speaks not only for himself he speaks for many people who are exactly that as strategists of the western world, therefore, of course, we pay attention to who and what is being said, but let's just move forward. kissinger is 99 next

year. he will be 100 years old in may, by the way . well, you see, that means 99 is a decent age for a person, and i think that it is a light-hearted person, so i will tell you one thing, 99 years old man and he changed his view of ukraine, you can imagine in recent years, and i follow kisim zher, i read and talked with him a lot, i don't remember that he changed his point of view towards our countries to something. but he changed his view on ukraine imagine what it is so this means that we are witnessing tectonic shifts in world politics, what is happening now in ukraine and how ukraine is fighting for its independence . some ideas about ukraine have been established. it

seems to me that the year 2022 is different in that we have become a discovery for the whole world, and we are part of the third world. there is a policy, there is already a political map there will not be such a thing and it will mean that ukraine is a part of the west, and such a proactive driving force can't change anything in this, because it's not some visa plans for ilya or some geopolitical theory, that's what what do the ukrainians want ? sometimes my spanish friends over there beat anyone

, they say. well, how can the ukrainians do what they do? in what way are the people who are sitting, uh, tapping two or three times without a light, they say we want to win this in fact, despite what the 21st century is about the event, what is it not about? and what is it , what is it? money and where it will go in the end good must be toothy it also has the ability and the ability and the desire determination to fight for itself that's what we actually showed and any

future security system security architecture as it is sometimes said it must be built on the fact that for himself, for his principles, and for himself, he must fight no matter what evil was not insidious, good must be cooler, you and i are speaking in norwegian now on christmas days, and this is one of the principles , one of our principles, one of the christian principles, good must win, but we need to fight for it. that we are witnessing how the world is transitioning to the creation of a multipolar multipolar world, forgive me for the tautology, that is, what is happening means that they put an end there, well, relatively

speaking, in a bipolar world, and even now this the world will be multipolar. how do you evaluate these statements and do they appear to the world? putin and lavrov are also great geostrategists who may be pushing for that. i don’t know how many countries there are up to 10 that will have their own polar poles. give the poles, too. for the tautology, which will influence the world , that is, not only china, america, well, putin probably also means russia and other countries that they open the door for these countries to also have an influence, and not only the big countries now many polar and so that she is not

became an empire that did not happen, which is what we all want from the bottom of our hearts, but even more, what we all have to work on. and will it be some kind of version collapse, or will it be during download, or will it be a reboot first of putin and then the regime and this is a very difficult story because and how will it be to take place where putinization, directization, whatever you like. call it typotinization, it is definitely not enough for this axis . who will do it? do you remember nazi germany, japan, and there was an occupation there? and who will do it today in the case of russia ? libel position, well, it looks like it. rather, well, i ’ll say it carefully so as not to offend anyone, it’s bad and we need to understand that russia in

today’s reality is just looking at the latest statistics. well, plus 7% of alcoholism is also plus seven or +8% the latest data on women's alcoholism is the number of crimes, armed crimes are increasing by several times, up to a million people have left russia, this is the biggest evidence of people who at least some of them have some kind of rivet in their heads, they are e- tishniks, western companies, unfortunately, not all of them for now, but they leave it. here are the sanctions. of course , we wanted more, but the glass is half full, well, look what is happening now with the export of oil from russia after the barcha and price restrictions were introduced. there is a difference between the oil on the world market and the

oil that russia it sells for $33, it already reaches many contracts, i am told that it is 37 for some, but there are 30 that i know of, and this is already more than a third discount. well, the price at which they buy a russian car for a car, but there is no need to underestimate this russia and say well, she is all they will bend over backwards for money, so far putin is there and the army and the russian security sector cannot be underestimated, that is why we must have a strategic task and this strategic task must be not only to liberate ukraine, but although this is of course the main thing is what is inside each of us, but also to do so what happened to us and the whole world, first of all the western world, but the whole world was no longer threatened by this ivashik regime, because no one

trusts them, no one likes them, and actually not even the western world, there is mainly sympathy there on our side. unfortunately, many people cannot turn this into politics today, and we have to work on it. and in general, the international community in the 23rd year will be one of the key challenges and the western world, because gradually, all the same, a certain psychological fatigue will come, but not the western report in first of all, because when you talk to africans, they say so. you ukrainians, you are cool, we look at you there. we do not believe that such a thing can happen, but here we are, we need fertilizers here without grain. in fact, we have our own problems, and of course we would like them to help us first of all, but agree that ukraine above

all else is only for us, everyone else has its own interests, and we have to build our policy so that those interests and everything are first and foremost a priority and and so that they understand that with a victory they get uh big profits and it needs to be shown and told of course on the fingers but i am sure that it is possible and we will continue to do this mr. pavlo from february 24, 2022 there is no agreement or agreement between ukraine and russia, that is, the entire legal framework that was between us, a large agreement, including probably hundreds or thousands of by-laws and resolutions of the cabinet of ministers and laws. well, they are not just in effect.

putin has been repeating recently that we are not against sitting down for the negotiating table with ukraine, they say that because all wars end with some kind of agreement, we will come to this sooner or later anyway, and they say that according to zelenskyi’s decree, which put into effect the decision of the security council of ukraine, there is no need to agree on anything with russia before dota until they don't will withdraw their troops and not return the territories there, but this is purely theoretical. i am now asking what can be negotiated with the russian federation if they do not want to and will definitely not adhere to any agreements. well, let's separate, as they say , what is human history and humanitarian, for example the exchange of grain history, i.e., what

is humanly important, and the talks about it are ongoing. now, if we talk about some kind of peace agreement with this regime, i don’t believe it, but i don’t believe it as a politician. i don’t believe it as a person who is 20 how many are there 5-7 is not i remember for years i was engaged in international politics, and i still don't believe it, because putin constantly repeats, the last time at a meeting with russian journalists, that it is necessary to unite, as he says, the russian people , that's how he sees it. he considers it his mission, we will never convince him that we can only defeat him and explain to him

by way of victory that we are not part of his people, the story was completely different, it was about the cossack sich, it was about magdeburg law, it was about the lithuanian statute, it was absolutely different with other values. with respect for the person, instead of what they had , ivan the terrible, stalin, that's actually pyotr i, these are the leaders, and their whole ideology is built on the fact that let's be proud of the past, and our whole mentality is with us there is no ideology, but we also have a mentality. we have the dna of a nation, it is built on the fact that we have always

looked to the future, it has always been very difficult, well, fundamentally, we differ in our respect for the human being and in everything for freedom, the understanding of what dignity is, and with such simple, simple things but then it will never be understood and we need to understand his reasoning which enemy always needs to be understood and he has not changed his goals regarding ukraine he will continue to target us now and continue tomorrow the day after tomorrow until we defeat this uh this regime is the fundamental basis of our victory now imagine that we have liberated the whole of ukraine, but putin's regime or some other president

still exists, we have ended the war, we are safe . yes with russia and then the question arises, what is our position, how will we secure ourselves to the world, how much if it is a constant threat of attack from this regime, if we have rockets falling on our heads again, then who will invest in us, who will do so, what the future marshall plan or whatever it will be called turned ukraine into a technological leader in education because these are actually key issues - this is liberation and it is an integral part of our victory to make the threat from this regime cease to exist as such and for this i believe what

russia can no longer be a political player, you and i talked about a multipolar world. i believe that a multipolar world can be different. we ukrainians are tolerant, we always understand others, but criminals should not be part of a multipolar world like destroying and killing, and it is the business of the rest of the world to tame those who are criminals, in reality , this process can last a long time, this process can last faster, but the main thing is that we reboot this regime, reboot this regime, without this, there is no danger for ukraine disappear, i can't help but ask you about angela merkel's statement, which sounded in an interview with a german publication, the website e-e, the former chancellor

of the federal republic of germany said that the road map for the return of donbass to the control of ukraine, but serious concessions to russia, was an attempt to buy time, as they say this way, minsk agreements one and minsk agreements two were a way to give ukraine the opportunity to build an army and provide this army with weapons for the future confrontation with the russian federation, which was predicted, you were a participant in many of meetings and negotiations both in the norman format and in the minsk format, is this true? i think it is definitely yes, but angela is a little cunning, i have to say this because she wanted some kind

of regulation. we know very well that the norman format arose thanks to her desire and the americans really wanted to stay out of these negotiations, but her assessment at the time was that putin considers the americans to be the main drivers of the maidan. and it may be possible to settle the situation. it is better when there is coordination with the partners of the clean, and i believe that it was a fundamental misjudgment at the time, but again, angela merkel did a lot to pressure putin

on this. you have to give her credit. and it's beautiful and again. what i think she didn't fully understand is that it's not necessary to strengthen and strengthen russia, including the year 2015. do you remember the launch of the nord stream-2 project and it's always very i was there very much so sometimes choosing words like diplomats, of course sometimes not choosing more as a politician but nevertheless , going forward and exercising the second moment uh, which she did not understand as a strategist , but she certainly understood that putin is capable of everything that it sits uh, uh, very, very

deep in his subconscious, but the fact that merkel understood the context of the negotiations and understood this is 100% she herself from the mdf, she knows ukraine by the way, she was not in practice once in the donbass, she was even in the shashta and uh, angels, merkel should be given credit, of course, she made several fundamental political mistakes, uh, one even i am one of them i named a few. nevertheless, she sincerely , very sincerely tried to help ukraine, but in fact she is not a politician of the 21st century. i think that she is a politician of such a borderline of the 20th and 21st centuries that

she lacked something. it was uh and for something we are very grateful to her and for something we will always remember with such a kind and not very quiet word by the way, a few weeks ago a documentary film about angela merkel was released in germany, the luxfilm film company shot this film and here i am, i was at the presentation saw this movie v he was on a business trip to germany, and there it is told about the installation of angel merkel, about how she is not one of those from east germany who, after the unification of east and west germany, became a government official, and her path is shown as she followed this path well, of course, the emphasis was on the fact that she wanted to understand putin as a person who was born and raised in dresden. it

seems to me that in dresden she was also from northern germany, from northern germany. well, at least from the gdr, that's what she tried to understand putin and get along but well, the conclusion of the cinematographers is that she did not manage to do it because they began to differ in terms of the understanding of how relations should be, and this is their gap. it would seem that they have something in common, the past was i mean socialist germany and putin in dresden, but this did not continue in any way, but still, let's probably return to the main visit of the only and main and central visit of zelensky this year to the united states of america

, a war has begun, zelensky is not going anywhere i was leaving. and only online could i join all the summits and all the negotiations and speeches in various parliaments. and then at the end of the year there was a visit to the united states of america, meetings with biden, a speech before the congress, the attention of all the world media, and president biden made it clear to ukraine that his country will be with us until we win victory over russia, what does this mr. pavlo mean for the world and for russia, before we talk about this visit, i will mention one more sentence about merkel, because you do not have me pointed at him. i just remember the end of the 14th year and when merkel, insulted and completely indignant, ordered me to do the same

. the presence of russian troops in the occupied donbas, and she says yes, he can’t lie to me like that, he’s the president of russia, but in fact, even such things. they came, but, unfortunately, they came very, very late . a cool visit, uh, not only because of how he is broke up in midi i believe that it was an opportunity to feel real emotions for the americans to show the americans that they, uh, they are the main ones, they are the leaders of the western world, and their help is decisive, it is critical, we are grateful for it, but we want more and to talk

about what kind of strategy we want more because always when you say that we need this, the americans say yes. and what is your logic, what is your vision, what is your strategy, and when you sit opposite biden, it’s still a different story than when you talk on the phone. yes, phone calls. we we live in a world where there is closed communication, but nothing can replace uh, personal communication, and i think that this visit is very cool because biden, because of this visit, because of this invitation or his behavior, the atmosphere, the tone, what he said , and the main thing, how he said it, he is real showed that he will invest everything, this really means that he understands that without the states, this whole story would not have developed, but in europe they have never

managed like this. this includes his personal history as a politician and as a person, and i believe that part of his of the political heritage of the political to finish, there should also be a joint victory over russia over this regime. i also believe that he showed with this visit that we should have a history of success and this joint history of success is ukraine, it is a democratic independent ukraine as an ally of the united states, as a country that understands the importance of this alliance. from this visit, we will actually gradually move from partnership. yes, this is a unique partnership, but to alliance to mutual elements of help. i really hope to mutual

obligations, whether it will be nato or another defense alliance that we talked about at the beginning and that's why this visit is worth a lot and above the rest it is very humanly important. these are the christmas days and when people gather as families and see on their screens there on phones and computers people who do not have electricians, people who don't have a plan, people who do, nevertheless, everyone there doesn't care, according to some polls, somewhere there is 97%. about 96, but they are indifferent, but almost all of them, despite these 10 months, are ready to go on in christian, er, she is very, very

interested, so in general, the visit is cool, what i also really like is that there is a new aid package, it is mainly a defensive weapon, and i always say that . for the time being, we need offensive weapons and that's where the states and even our friends want to avoid escalation for the time being, they want to stifle this story with the ukrainian russian war gradually and apply such a strategy very consistently thousands of trips. and it is very important for us that we have a joint strategy and that the prizes become more and more dangerous and deeper, and such that strategically weaken russia and prepare for its

reboot. you will never hear this political, it is not a carriage flight. er, let's talk, we will really understand the text of the volume and the time of the visit. and this is the atmosphere and the drive of the visit. well, it was really cool. thank you, mr. pavlo, for the conversation. i congratulate you on the upcoming holidays. may god give you health and inspiration. i will meet soon. in 2023 and all the best to you. thank you mr. serhiy, i am sure that it will be the same as the 22nd - a very important year for you, too, and for everyone who is now a part of ukraine and a part of the ukrainian nation, too the best greeting is to look at your loved ones

, look at your relatives and understand why we are waging this war, everything will be okay ukraine, thank you very much, friends, it was pavlo klimkin , a politician, a diplomat, the minister of foreign affairs in 2014-2019, and actually with pavlo klimkin, we talked about summaries of the past year, friends, for those who are watching us now online please like this video you can read our news on the espresso tv website we are working for you 24 hours a day seven days a week i say goodbye to you see you all the best happy holidays