and the second thing is about that house in portuguese where we are and how it seems to me it’s natural for the eyes these are the ones we learn gradually in english because it’s not so easy to say blakalt because it affects and does it affect the paintings or does it affect the preservation when there is no light, there may be no heating. do you have a special relationship with the state ? look. for some reason, we think that the war really began on february 24. in fact, it has been 8 years. we all know that the war has been going on for the

ninth year and there are certain documents that regulate. - from the exposition, things are somewhere in some spare parts, it still existed and was worked out since the 14th year. well, very often journalists want yes. and here these are, show me under which village, under the cornflower or in a row, literally show me this i will show you on television himself and applies the same applies to uh this world in art where these things are loved as in the bank money loves silence where is it what is it where are they moving sometimes i can say some things already after the fact speak then when already how when already hidden as zaluzhnyi says when the operation from kharkov has already taken place yes, we put under kherson after that he says now i can say with great pleasure that the main body of the most valuable things that are

in our lviv national art gallery is already in border and they are there they will be well, for about a year, they had already moved by that time, until they were still here, the missiles were blocked off, not the missiles, the fifties, the foundations of the basements, we didn't have to talk about it. urumi says that now nothing works out. i worked for free for that. i don't even know what kind of life this is. well, since we are a magazine with two dots, we can actually ask such a question. it 's a ukrainian journalist's dream to ask one question at the beginning of an interview. and then fall asleep. yes, i will ask such a question now, but i will not sleep, but it seems to me that this is an important question,

considering that this magazine is intellectual with a claim, at least for sure, and there is history and culture and literature and sociology to a certain extent and so on and so on, and it is published there from time to time since 1989 or so, and from time to time i will simply explain to the audience that it comes out when there is an opportunity, not when, that is, it is not regular, it is not a magazine, what is contained, or what six months or a quarter, there is money, inspiration, information that the editors want to share then it works, but still, reading this magazine you perceive the world, and the magazine has a lot of actions. especially worldwide or european

. as our late friend said, unfortunately sashko kryvenko, who said that you discovered by the way, kryvenko was one of the parents of this magazine, because the magazine was originally published as he himself published and it was published in vilnius, er, from there, the former former ambassador lithuanians, there are five svaitikounas, eh, so they had such a device here in lviv, even kyiv, and wasn't that device called a photocopier, and this magazine was made on this heart, it was necessary to go all the way to the film itself, all to do it together on the photocopier because in vilnius there was already such a melting pot of physics, so he was, well , it is such a thing, but going back and forth, the main conclusion is that you need to think constantly, but here we have, by chance, not a production, a magazine that was for the 100th anniversary in 2014, before the

first world first world wars and uh, i’m thinking about the first world war, the second world war, and now the cold war is actually starting, the third world war, back in the 14th year, i actually saw the history of the 20th century as an endless war, or the war was not satisfied, it was a mistake of the young, not some people there the 14th 13th year of the discontent of the young nations, the german nation is being created. and here it is, the redistribution of the world of the empire. africa has not yet been completely divided. asia is good. first world war, after that, they oppress this very germany, they drive it away, this weimar republic dissatisfaction, resentment, as a result, the spring moves to the other side. second world war , someone was squeezed there again. the soviet union

squeezed . in the 1930s, we became very similar people, we started this russian-ukrainian war and not only the russian-ukrainian russian-georgian war there . well, and so on. has been squeezed and unzipped for 100 more than 100 years and in fact this is the war that is happening now in ukraine is a natural result of the first world war, not by analogy, but simply as one plus one. well, it means a logical logical consequence. unfortunately , there is no way we can arrange the world so that he was more than once, do you think that these are national problems and not social ones? i ask why, because when you started talking about the first world war, its transition to the second, and so

on and so on what i saw, i just recently read and there somehow names of tyrants in the first half of the 20th century, they are so simple , one after the other, and i thought, oh yes, they are all russian-speaking, they are called fillings , that is, the aristocracy, the hitlers came, mussolini, no one, stalin, some mao, who are you ? who are you? i played so-and-so, i have 40 families, 40 generations, and i am this , that's why here i am, and all of them. well, yes, indeed, 40 is a number. and now people like you have come, where did these people come from and undermined the system? well, i'm not a monarchist, of course . because these are not the wrong times the tradition of the monarchy was a certain certain such element that stabilized stabilized

the development of historical many grandfather father son and so on and in principle it was kept on the eye and on this on this skewer it was all kept and when they came as you say now with the stuffing in russian and on i will tear up the essence, that is, people, no one and from nowhere, writing this, ortega and the newspaper ortega and gasset said that when we were in the 1930s in the book, there was a riot of the masses that, well, before , well, it was somehow like this, such an articulate society where everything was regulated. here are the portraits hanging regulated them regulated this world is, by the way, the minister of internal affairs of the austrian empire played manfred stadium so and so and after that the people came and everyone spoke before before grafman stadium and after that at the cafe on the map to the cathedral until the word came, the people broke through in 1917 in russia

the people roared in the 33rd year and in germany the people roared somewhere in iran in the year 79 and the results and the results were the same , that is, i am not against the people 's counter-vote, but against the voice of the crowd of the crowd against the crowd . you have to look for some antidote by the voice of the american people but not of the people, not really of the people, it is not not washington or franklin, but trump, about this, about this . this is what populism should be done with. look. i would also say that this war is also to a certain extent, i agree here. that it is also a

consequence of the first world war, and the first world war was a consequence of the balkan wars , and the balkans were the kingdom of hungary. he began to feel some shocks, maybe they are seismic, not like that, they were not 9 points on the scale, a year, a shooting range, there are two, three, but i always can't. a very simple example: if you live in paris and there is a coppersmith, then you earn 7-10-3,000 € there. and to understand a person, for example, a non-television journalist in paris earns two and a half 3,000 to live, well, it is very difficult. well, for two or three and a half thirds, it is very difficult. and here comes the abyss, he goes to work normally, he is fine, where, but, eyes 2 ,5-3 he feels bad paris

is expensive to eat well, everything is bad and the world has begun knock upstairs, trump appears, brexit here and there, the magyars, for some reason, it seems to me that china is rich, which is also beginning to show itself somehow, and i have the impression that this dissatisfaction is what putin is trying to take advantage of. we are just on the way. finland poland poland and finland were in our city we just know and after that finland now us yes i absolutely agree it is absolutely correct that it was said that we were under the feet of the russian he also felt this fluctuation and so at the time of the renaissance of the russian the federation is actually the beginning of the russian empire in the full sense after the annexation of ukraine. well, of course, people are grain. well, in short, it gave

muscles, it was a ridge, and there sat on that ridge such a russian, and they did not pay attention to him. that's all, daristenka, and here the grain is like this, the road to europe is common, the most important thing is the idea of ​​the empire, when the moscow principality or the moscow kingdom turned into the russian empire in 1721 yes yes the idea itself was brought to our people by feofan prokopovich our people people still had such, for some reason , had such illusions, as a result, they brought the very idea, after that the idea began to develop thanks to the ukrainians first, but then not only the ukrainians, the germans , the dutch, you, you, and as a result, they combined what in 19 at the end of the 19th

century, it was already a mature russian empire, and they brought bread and working people, you know. but all this, of course, in st. petersburg, almost 30% were of ukrainian origin from little russia, and they built st. petersburg 40 000 cossacks in fact, but only the cossacks who built, but those who were very people in the seminaries , doctors, lawyers, well, that's all, that's all. then the question is, we groped the beginning and i want to grope the end. it's a very difficult question for me . which they know or don't know, as a rule, they know yes, the answer to this question is i don't know, i'm being completely honest, it's tough, it's not, it's not academic, it's not in such an environment, the question is not for such an

environment, but are russians people or not people very a simple question, because we are an idea, if we already go your way, idealism is idealistically idealistic 20-15 years ago, lesik podervyanskyi and i talked about this and came to the conclusion from the first that i discovered this discovery and made that katsaps are not people this was treated as a joke. and now when i see that the mother sends the child to the front without a trace to be killed and is also proud . occurred to me the theory that the russians have returned to homorectus

, that is, they walk straight like us, and we if oh well, he walks straight, so he is like me , but when you start to feel further, you realize that a certain number of inherent absolutely nominal human traits are simply absent, no, look, there are uh, it’s really the human race in the biological sense of the word, whether people from papua new guinea or from ukraine or from nicaragua belong to one of the same species, but uh, there are cultural cultural paradigms in which we exist, meaning for worthy people of people from papua new guinea, one paradigm for ukrainians is the second, and for some people in nicaragua it is probably the third. and besides all this, this cultural paradigm implies certain values

. don't kill, there are no maxims like that decalogue and the judgment of moses, which means no , no murder, let's hope they fulfill it. and so on and so on, they don't live in those paradigms well. let's accept that the russians also presented them with those 10 10 problems somewhere yes yes 10 presented to them means and they allegedly lived with them, but on the other hand, sometimes some peoples who even live in these paradigms fall into mass psychosis or there are such mental epidemics, this is the 33rd year germany, the country of goethe, the country there is a super figure of beethoven, henry, everyone loves maps and all of a sudden educated people who knew how to write knew how to write, it's not, it's not some kind of illiterate people, they absolutely do not fall into mass psychosis, it's this mental epidemic, just like

the epidemic of e-e covid, as well as mental eyes, these deviations are mastered by these people the third person in this case, if there was a third brilliant psychologist, a brilliant third person, sitting here and we would ask, she would prove to us that this is also the norm. well, it is a distorted temporary, but the norm of behavior. that is, here is the incentive - that is, this can happen to any nation, absolutely any what nation is it not enough that when you talk about the word norm, then pilans asked jesus christ and what is the truth, that is, the norm, that is, the answer to this question was that for him there was no truth as such for pilate, but for christ it was christ's this decalogue is love and a zither, but for a roman, where is a roman, what are the 10 commandments, what is the commandment not to kill, for a roman warrior, well,

not a prelude to action, either. usually, it’s completely wild. taras, will humanity always get out of the way until now, thanks to europe, i have such a self the suspicion that europeans are invented by god as people who constantly challenge themselves and respond to these challenges, always figure out how to get out of the situation, no matter how difficult the situations, europeans always come out now, the sick person of the world is russia do you think they will find a medicine to make this russia healthy, to somehow revive it in the normal sense of the word ? no, if they don't find it, everyone will die. no, that 's the ottoman empire. well, they didn't find a cure and

she died, but there was one beautiful mustached lung who in specifically, kemal atatyuk, the father of the turks. that is, they found themselves from the inside, and this is an important moment of today's discussion, what can happen? that is, it is putin, it is someone close to putin, it is the first circle, close to the third circle. is it external influences because kemal is a turk not only because he is like that realized oh something no no well or we will save the small but for this we have to lose the big and so this means that these are internal forces, which means that someone in the kremlin, whom we may not know, should start some reforms, realizing that the fate of russia is disintegration, such a simple

word i i i say it and i imagine a russian after the word russia's fate is disintegration , you have to take a gun and shoot no, it's really necessary to repeat what she did, what she did, mustafa kemal, the father of the turks, who is not a turk, the mother is macedonian, isn't the father jewish from thessaloniki, well, that's it, but nevertheless he is he did the feat of munchausen, he pulled turkey out of the swamp with this pigtail, that is, the russians must become a people, the russians have not become a people until now, well, that is, a people , and how the turks, how uh, literally captured territories and get rid of the excess that does not allow them to develop. well, there is unfortunate chechnya, which they have been tormenting people there for decades , why does russia need her at all? well , south ossetia doesn’t need her. well, the bottomless ossetia is just some babushka who sells brooms

somewhere in rybinsk, somewhere on the volga. well, without south ossetia, she will simply die. she does not sleep at night. well, why does she have such idiocy, sometimes you have to refuse . at one time, the poles passed through it, many peoples crossed over when the prince of gedroits, he is a gedroit, said that vilnius and that part of the circle i will liberate is lithuania, and lviv and galicia and volhynia are ukraine on there are some polish people who had some resentment towards such a poland, at least between the war years. it was a shock and so on, but as a result, poland found itself, poland became a single nation, taras, but then it was some kind of pattern, that is, if someone did not want to what kind of movement will arise in russia, which will rely on some idea of ​​some person who

will say listen to us or we will survive alone in the world as russians as russians, not russians in the russian sea but russians there or not, then we will all drown, they must invent their own russian people, create, combine it since after the war, the newest polish people were combined, when a lot of people left here from volyn, from galicia, people left due to stalin's decisions, without questionably bloody and not unjust ones. but nevertheless, in as a result, a people was formed that became successful. notice how successful poland is now. imagine that there would be another 7 million ukrainians and belarusians and lithuanians . well, it's interesting, it's interesting, it's one thing , but simply when we, when you said, you give yourself, it's so complicated this is a very complicated

story, why? because my friends, my colleagues, i found a joke in the ukrainian army literally. i'm serious, no no, that's where students go to clubs to learn the language, play it again, he says, it's absolutely not massive , but then if we take elsa , then we're russians. it's hard to find elsa there, because if i say no, we're not russian. and where russia it's not our problem, in fact they are to blame for doing it, i agree, we need to find ourselves and be ourselves, that's how we behave ourselves by the way, this also

applies to the current ukraine . there are refugees in the united states and so on, you say these are the people who always dreamed, most of them always dreamed of becoming americans, they didn't want to. well, it's not that they passively or unwillingly participated in the creation of the ukrainian world and the ukrainian political project and the ukrainian political nation of today. but someone came to ukraine and begins to take part in the formation of the newest ukrainian state because of what is going on. someone went to russia. not all of them were deported. what's not yours what's yours it will come back someone went to germany someone to poland someone will stay somewhere a lot a lot on the one hand it must be a tragedy or as if forced

but on the other hand someone will stay in the czech republic or somewhere else i don't know in croatia let's let others come here, maybe from uzbekistan, maybe now cities from russia, by the way, i think that russia is also from the same russia here. the people never stop their creation, but now the french are in france, there are 7 million or how many people of arab origin, someone left, someone came, or i am in the netherlands. every nation is a living organism that is endlessly created . simply, if this nation is not able to preserve its identity despite everything that comes, new blood leaves, well, everything, everything is different, then it disappears. it still knows it dissolves simply and there are some healthy, well , healthy ones. there are so many americans in america in different blood, the mass of masanna comes but nevertheless

america remains america but the strength p taras we p taras we just stuck out here there is also such a discussion now, maybe there is one under the carpet, er, there are people who say like you. by the way, just er, forget about russia , in fact, there is such a slogan . we will not be able to do it there, no, and there are even people, i spoke with social psychologists, they say that until we let go of russia, because our grief is alive in us, it feeds russia . just like that and when. there is no russia such a history of language, continue, russia will die because it feeds on our energy and negativity today, and yesterday the fields were polish, as you said, and so

on . if you would think about if you would think about these rumors away from moscow, is this possible, is it possible for the nation or the intellectual part of the ukrainian nation to forget about russia, can we afford it now, yes, there is no such thing, i understand that this is the best medicine, but they are so bitter that i am not convinced that anyone would want to use them. here there are two approaches to the powder. we have hungary. but we are spiritually, well , we, if you name two hungarian poets of the petefi genre. no, this is the end of the list . eh, we are not mentally, well, if we are

not culturally, we have not grown together, like symbiosis, like these twins, uh, people break up, or they are friends, or spouses break up, and i let go, and this moment of cooling can be let go, but you can’t . that on the one hand everything has diverged but all the same, the threads that remain, you will still know, we know what hungary is, we know what the united states is, but we don't have a cheaper heart-to-heart one artery, we don't have one artery with them, so with russia, we just have to let them go, give them their freedom in an emotional sense i understand that there is a generation for whom onegin is dubious there in the fifties but i liked this beautiful slogan you said give freedom to russia okay i i i love it i

let go yes yes yes then we went to ukraine and ukraine is definitely more interesting for us and big times give great politicians, this is about zelensky because if there was no great time, the great test of the great war, then zelensky would not be the way we see him, the leader of the nation, the leader of the world. i would say that despite different attitudes towards him, he is now the leader of the democratic world. well, of course, every person is a hostage, and even more so a person in such a uh well, in such a vistra not even not in a public position in a vistra not historical historical there development of the historical process suddenly you find yourself and suddenly you look here an abyss here an abyss and you you didn't even want to. i think he

didn't really want them, he didn't really want to be there , but that's how it happened, but it's interesting. well, let's talk about how much about myself, when did it start and my wife told me that she was with someone she knew she was familiar with zelenskyi's personal acquaintances and he says no, he won't back down when everyone was convinced that he would run away, and i won't name names, but 90% of ukrainian politicians will be fugitives at pecherskyi bars because they are in the paradigm of such normal actions. i think that 103% 103 i er maybe to be yes and there is such a technician on the chest this is how kryvorozhsky is, what are you, what am i, this is you, you gave me a run-in here, and i am what, oh, no, the guy is steel and that’s all .