and we will all win together kherson is still uplifted after de-occupation, so local residents are only now beginning to realize the need for evacuation, they are going with nadiya that their time will come and they will return home artem lagutenko oleksiy kutsuk tv channels espresso thank you for an interesting story to our colleagues 9:29 on the clock and we are waiting for the inclusion of our expert viktor yagun, the general of the sbu, victor, we congratulate you, you can hear us so. good health, ladies. well, let's talk about the summary of the analysts of the institute for the study of war, they in their daily report emphasized that the russian ministry of defense is trying to shift the blame for the liquidation of hundreds of occupiers in makiivka, donetsk region, to the officials of the so-called dnr and the mobilized themselves. well, the next strike was

the next day. many were wounded and disappeared from the chulaki people in the kherson region, about 300 occupiers were killed up to 500 times with wounded. what do you think, what is the attitude and how is the position changing within the ministry of defense and of the general staff of the russian federation after similar mass destruction of the occupation units, an entire unit, a whole battalion, was killed during one strike, in particular, in the same makiivka, i am asking for your word. the ministry of defense of the russian federation recognized the fact of the death of a significant number of people. they called a completely different number, 63 men if i'm not mistaken, it matters. the main thing is that they admitted that something happened and it's clear that given that there is, this information reached

putin, given that putin gave a direct instruction they will be forced to investigate this incident . how to react, in particular, in particular, they are conducting some kind of investigation there, and it is not surprising that they are trying to make the extremes. well, certainly not themselves, not their military leaders, but the local authorities, which did not provide proper premises for the accommodation of military personnel, well, they are always collaborators and traitors will be extreme because they definitely don't feel sorry for them, another matter is how the russian society reacted, this is very significant because there hasn't been such hysteria in their social networks for a long time and it's probably exactly the same this prompted me to recognize the death of these

people, so i think that the consequences will be interesting in the near future, we will see not only some shift in the accusation, some kind of punishment, but also the public opinion itself is quite critical now, even to the ministry itself. defense and even to putin because well, they always emphasized the package no. well, now, let 's see how they will get out of this situation. in fact, they will not be able to hide the real number of people. they will not be able to for one simple reason, because these are individuals from the same region and if they say that there are 63 men, but in fact there are even if not on one day, but there somewhere limited throughout the place, for example, a certain number will come there, 100, 200

, whether it is black bags there or 300, it does not matter. they are blatantly lying and this word of mouth radio from person to person spreads very quickly precisely because there is simply no other way to spread true information, it is so afraid of oppositionists who are actually no longer present in various actions on the part of the wife and the mainland and and the parents of the dead because they simply don't know and they don't have a method to deal with them. well, if one or two or two women get out there, that's one thing. well, when more than a hundred of them get out and some kind of unrest starts in the region, it's an extraordinary event, and that's probably why putin too i reacted to that and now they are starting to

blame people there. well, i don’t know. let’s do our own thing, let’s continue our own thing. and the fact that they, uh, no, no, they do n’t learn and make mistakes that only benefit us, i understand, well, what caused the most indignation in the russian public we are a woman i saw more there. when all the rescuers, the so-called makiiv residents, in the occupied territories are disassembling the rubble, they were most outraged by the russians, when one rescuer asked another during this dissection, well, how did you celebrate the new year there? new year, when such a terrible horror happened well, the representatives of the law enforcement agencies of the so-called dpr, the so-called law enforcement agencies, informed the russian state television channels that the attack occurred when the russian servicemen violated operational security, this is a summary of the institute of the american study of war using personal mobile phones, which allowed the zayas to

accurately hit the base. they had guests there in the basement, eh. well, fuel and lubricants were also lying around in bc, and at 11:00 p.m. kyiv 0:0 moscow there was an attack, as a result of which this is a dormitory, this ptu number 19 is completely was destroyed, we saw in the video what it looked like and what it looks like now p viktor but surely they are learning or not learning anything, what is the reaction of the russian russian troops, it is very easy, er, very simple, one room, a bunch of people, you don’t have to bother with delivering food to different locations these do not need to be provided with heating in a large area. well, there are a large number of

units in one room. the car has arrived. unloading is not going anywhere. not everything is very easy, but what could be an arrival and there could be a huge number of dead. well, we will find such consumables, some other school, college, i don't know, there is a cultural center. well, this is not the first case, they themselves confirmed that this is an extreme case, such a huge amount, this is already the fifth or sixth case , so uh, we will hope that they are they have not learned their lesson and will continue to make the same mistakes in the future. from here, what is the probability that the russians will really announce another wave of mobilization after christmas? in fact, they will not announce it because they did not close this mobilization, there was no decree to stop the mobilization, it

continues and continues in them simply by a hidden method, and its intensity can be increased due to the fact that they will really close the border. well, maybe they will close not on the fifth, there are 10, for example 10, because the publicity is very significant after ours. well, you are after the statement of our minister of defense, and they are very indignant . what are you saying? you are saying this when in fact it is not true in fact, this is all true, they and the borders will close the only thing, age age . probably, after all, they will raise this to five , and at the same time, they will make a decision to increase military service in the army from to 2 years from the scapula to three years, e.e. seaman, this is a return to the tradition of the soviet union and plus

one more. means that they can be involved in military operations on the territory of ukraine, therefore, this complex will be implemented by them, including at the expense of conscripts, mr. viktor, said the head of the ukrainian hormonal, kyrylo budanov, in an interview with the american bbc television company, that the depth of the strikes is ukrainian ukrainian of the armed forces along the russian rear will be deeper and deeper, well , that’s literally, i won’t look for what is now the main target for ukrainian strikes on the territory of russia and how we will consider these targets, because well, we officially do not have such weapons are only reworking of these old

rapids and flights, which, in principle, were supposed to be used for reconnaissance and not as shock drones, and if you look at the official data on rapids, ukraine could have had no more than 14 0 in 1991, then it is not such a large number and it will definitely be uncut, i suspect that ukraine has reached that level. when nu can actually launch drones 1000 + km with a certain amount of explosives and in the combat unit. i don’t know if they will be able to return, maybe they can fly on the one hand, but the fact that they, uh, can get to uh, distant areas. we clearly see what happened in the saratov region. i think that this is really not, no, no, the limit of our

capabilities . military facilities, airfields, this is the storage of e-e fuel materials, ammunition - it can be a nuclear power plant enterprise and it can be so-called, as they like to say, decision-making. i won't be very the surprised panel is training the day before, the security service informed the head of the central bank of russia of suspicion due to the introduction of an operational zone in the occupied territories of ukraine and the ban on the circulation of ukrainian currency there . 110 of the last day on the integrity of ukraine , the question of declaring her an

international wanted person is being considered, the press service of the sbu informed viktor. well, this is actually the case the declarative piece and the head of the central bank will definitely remain in office, will work for herself in moscow, the international investigation does not know how it will be applied in relation to her, and she is not the only one who in russia has encroached on the integrity of ukraine, should we expect a wave of announcements of suspicions against russian state officials and what is the main purpose of these suspicions please, the main purpose of the survey is the possibility of international cooperation of these persons, that is, they cannot actually conclude a contract now, that is, they will try, but anyone, who will be with to conclude a contract with them, he finds himself in such an awkward situation, well, the situation is because it was publicly announced that a person committed a crime, he is wanted internationally. now let them try to send him somewhere there to

some non-governmental conference, i don't know, and the person's image is lost. i think so always, but the preparation of the suspicion is thorough work, and in order to be able to declare it an international wanted person, all, well, all the arguments must be very clearly verified, so i think that there will be no shaft, but the work started. i think that this will not be the last suspicion, and god forbid that they end. even if it is a conviction in absentia , it will still be very positive, because now we will know for sure that people with whom you cannot sit down at the same negotiating table not only we , but in the world there are criminals who are convicted in ukraine under the laws of the showcase, but elvira

anabiollina, well, the head of the central bank of russia is not the most demonized figure of the russian government, that is, a person who, according to the version of the russian mass media, wrote several times there statements after the invasion on her release but putin personally persuaded her. that is, there is a much larger number of such iconic anti-ukrainian figures of the nazi headquarters and international contacts. you just know the answer. well, roughly speaking, he is from ukraine, mr. viktor. well, in recent days, the enemy has been actively shelling civilians and civilian infrastructure in front-line areas. cities, in particular, kramatorsk, druzhkivka, kostiantynivka, what is the main purpose of these strikes, and you forecast the dynamics of the development of events. here on the eastern

front, bakhmut and the outskirts of bakhmut, they ask these strikes will continue, that the enemy cannot achieve anything on the front line, and this is such a step, they hope that these cities are less covered by air defense forces, they use, including 300, which is very difficult to intercept, and in this way they are trying to create unfavorable conditions for the habitation of the civilian population, and it is possible to raise some tents there, according to their version, to raise some tents for the ukrainian authorities, at least in these territories, where according to their version of the population, well, if not completely, then partially to support her russian troops is absurd

because what is really happening and who among them is shooting at them and why they are not shooting, but the tactics and cannibals are not changing. victoria well, in general, about the capital of kyiv region, i still wanted to ask you the day before, the president said that russia will continue long-term shelling of ukraine , and in particular, the capital of ukraine with iranian drones. what is the main goal? he said that this is the exhaustion of the exhaustion of ukrainians and ukrainian air defense systems. can it be achieved by such actions, please? well, i don’t. i believe that they will achieve this. the population understands the threatening situation. it has a normal attitude towards the actions of the authorities. it's stupid. well, it's a little bit not very comfortable in the sense that we are forced to use

expensive rockets. very not very expensive guard drones, because a drone costs dollars, and a missile can cost several dozen, this is not favorable, we do not accept it. but at the same time, we are forced to do this because the losses from these drones can be much greater, so this is the situation or we will have enough missiles, i hope it will be enough because even the calculation of how many drones they ordered and the total number, if you believe in our intelligence, is somewhere around 1,1800 of them, about 600 of them we have already shot down or they did not reach us, so we will count on this one that they have there's still such a stock ... well, i'm not saying that they've all been delivered in

russia, but in the near future it's possible, oh, these kinds of waves, especially at night time. we 'll have to endure . actually reaches 100%."

even the one i mentioned can be bigger, i don't think that it is very difficult to copy and try to produce these drones on the territory of russia thank you victor yagun deputy head of the security service of ukraine 14-15 years general of the sbu thank you for including us now in contact oleksandr pavlichenko is at the executive director of the ukrainian helsinki union for human rights, we welcome you, mr. oleksandr, we hear you. good morning, have a safe day. we thank you, too. human rights defenders recorded almost 5,000 war crimes. the russians that they committed in the ukrainian donbas, in particular in donetsk region, representatives of the ukrainian union for human rights documented 2,946 war crimes

committed by the russian occupiers in donetsk region, this is not only a single one without mariupol in luhansk region, they documented 1,859 such episodes, what exactly are they talking about, what exactly are these episodes, which are the main ones crimes against ukrainians were committed by the russian military. the kharkiv human rights group and the center for civil liberties, the recent nobel laureate of last year 2022 and a number of other ukrainian organizations that work in various regions of ukraine, and together we documented such a number of war crimes that actually show the picture of those destructions, murders , violations that -e occur in

relation to the local population of the civilian population, the treatment of prisoners of war , which are recorded, which e-e are taken both from sources and through interviews directly through visiting the places where these crimes took place and through contacts with direct or victims or witnesses of these crimes and accordingly when we talk about the categories of crimes, we should first of all talk about the most serious crimes such as murders and kidnappings and their documented large number in fact, this is something that almost correlates with official statistics, and by the way, enforced disappearances, deportations, removal of the population - this will probably be one of the most difficult issues that ukraine has to solve because we must

to return these people, at the same time, quite a large number are in different statuses on the territory of temporarily occupied ukrainian territories or they have been taken to the territory of russia, and we are also talking about a large number of destruction of civilian objects transferred residential buildings and infrastructure objects because there is selective shelling or deliberate destruction of such objects and i would urge that in the event that there is information of special information about crimes in relation to specific persons and so on the information may not be documented or is not yet in the materials of criminal proceedings, it is possible to turn to law enforcement agencies, it is possible to e-e such coalitions somehow

or initiatives that document the relevant crimes in order to maximally reflect the picture of all those e-e criminal actions that should take place - first, as material for the investigation and, uh, in order to then prosecute the direct perpetrators of the criminals. well, you mentioned that the biggest crimes are murders and deportations . deportation of children. please tell me how many, according to your information, ukrainian children were forcibly taken by russia today. this is quite a difficult question and there are different figures regarding the deportation of children.

here, the number of people who left is in the hundreds of thousands and in different statuses, that is, they were either voluntarily relocated or under certain pressure or forced removal in general. and that’s the difference. for example, from mariupol, e.e., trying to escape from the combat zone, and they left through various territories through zaporozhye, through crimea, through the donetsk region, respectively, on the territory of rostov, rostov oblast, to russia e.e., and then returned, for example, through georgia, through the baltic countries to ukraine, or stayed in russia or went somewhere to a third country, this is a question of how to calculate these statistics, this is a rather difficult question, but we are talking about the fact that the crime is forced removal, in fact

deportation, and we are talking about vulnerable categories in particular, children of children who were in social institutions - these are children under care, children in orphanages, and such a number of children is also quite difficult to count, but we are currently working on this and i can tell you about the average figures, which are, well, according to our the statistics are up to 2,000 such children, there may be. that is, we are not talking about those amounts, but about those numbers. i apologize. russian statistics were called 700,000. this is a little different. this is generally the number of children who were displaced from these territories starting from 20 this past february 2020, i apologize. already

in the 22nd year, they were moved from the territory of the temporarily occupied donetsk and luhansk regions to the territory of russia - these are general figures that, in principle, do not indicate that it was such a deportation of children and forced removal . there was the preparation of russia for the fact that they would conduct hostilities, not the actual clearing of the territory, he called it such a term, it is possible, and we are talking about the number of children, that is what you asked, which were abducted, which were actually forced transported to the territory of the russian federation, which are now being dissolved. sorry for this term, losing even the opportunity to investigate in which family they are transferred and where the adoption takes place, on the contrary, most of them are in foster families. this is a slightly different status, it does not work, it is not about adoption, it is temporary stay and at the same time, uh, such children, uh, according to our

calculations, there may be somewhere up to 2,000. maybe even a little less. oleksandr, well, kurt walker, american diplomat, former special representative of the us state department for ukraine stated that putin needs to create a new international tribunal quote i believe that russia has already thrown everything it could into this war conscripts prisoners all its military equipment iranian military equipment i am not sure that they have anything left to throw of course they will say such things trying to convince the west so that he doubts and does not hand over weapons, well, i mean russia's threats there, including nuclear weapons, but in fact we should give ukraine everything we can so that it can win this war as soon as possible - said cult volker regarding of a new international tribunal, have we become closer to it in the past six months, or is it just such an ephemeral thing, fantastic, which we are talking about, but which will never be created,

please, of course, er, in er, april, may, er, the existence and creation of such a tribunal it seemed quite illusory and theoretical, in fact, diplomatic legal work has already advanced this topic to several concrete decisions, and you and i saw and witnessed what the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe adopted at its autumn session the resolution that called for the creation of such a tribunal to hold russia accountable for the commission of these categories of crimes that we are talking about today, it is also happening on the sites of e-e countries of nato, which the parliamentary assembly also defined in its effective

documents in fact in november the month of e-e the creation of such a tool for prosecution after that, the european union also expressed their support for the idea of ​​creating such a tool. well, the decision was very important of the same ministers of justice of the seven countries and the so-called berlin declaration, in which it is clearly written that they call for the creation of this instrument, that is, step by step at the diplomatic level , a vision and statement that such a tribunal should be created is actually being built it is clear that it should begin to be created after the end of the war, taking into account all the factors of the end of this war, because it is necessary to judge a beast that has not been caught yet well, it will be a little bit,

let's say in illusory theoretically, but in fact, today this tribunal is taking on specific features, and accordingly, in addition to this tribunal, which the relevant international institutions are talking about, today we have an international criminal court that investigates specific episodes committed by the russian federation crimes since february 24, and i would say that this is enough. well, let's say an insufficient approach, because it is about crimes committed by the russian federation since 2014, it is not possible here forget about the fact that russia is waging a war, an active war in ukraine, launched by it since february 2014, what crimes were there