plays on the commands that will be given from the president's office. i think that it should first of all be the political will of president zelenskyi and i am convinced that in the conditions of war, as the supreme commander, president zelenskyi is obliged to show this political will and we should see it in the list of issues on the agenda this is a question. i am convinced that the vote for it will be definitely positive. well, friends, let's move slowly to a pleasant date. today is the anniversary of the establishment of diplomatic relations between ukraine and the united states. 30 years since it happened on january 3, 1992, a few months after the declaration of our country's independence, since then ukraine has always felt american support and over time it has only gotten stronger, but now you know it has acquired a certain material dimension that is very tangible on the battlefield, and the plot of our colleagues from

regarding the history of our diplomatic relations, i ask the fear of the collapse of the ussr and the fear of ukrainian independence from this point, ukrainian-american relations began in august 1991 during a visit to kyiv, then in the capital of the ussr, us president george bush sr. called on the verkhovna rada to preserve the soviet union. freedom is not the same as independence . americans do not support those who seek independence to replace the tyrants of the center with local despotism, and the speech went down in history under the name of a cutlet in kyiv as an example of political myopia and miscalculation in a few weeks, ukraine will declare independence, and in a few months, the ussr will collapse, even though the united states has recognized the new reality. still, relations between the two countries were restrained and cautious, all because of the nuclear weapons that washington did not want to see in ukraine

only after the infamous budapest memorandum relations began to warm and president bill clinton visited kyiv ukraine decided to give up nuclear weapons after the collapse of the soviet union your decision made the world safer for the american people ukrainian people and all humanity nuclear-free honey the month did not last long , numerous scandals surrounding the kuchma administration , the gongadze affair, and the so-called chain mail scandal, when washington suspected kyiv of the sale of the radio technical intelligence station to iraq worsened the relations between the countries, they were normalized only in 2005 after the orange maidan and viktor yushchenko's victory, then president bush jr. did not repeat his father's mistake and supported ukraine's course to join nato, i will make every effort to ensure that ukraine and georgia receive an action plan regarding membership, i think that it is in our interests

as nato members and i think that it is in the interests of ukraine and georgia as well. however, at the bucharest summit, kyiv did not receive a pdp because of its position berlin and paris. then there was the revenge of yanukovych's pro-russian forces. the euromaidan and the beginning of russian aggression thanks to the political and financial support of the usa. ukraine then survived, but the reaction of president obama's administration was generally weak. washington was afraid to supply weapons to kyiv and did not want to burn all bridges with russia. we will never recognize annexation. crimea or a violation of ukrainian sovereignty , if russia continues its aggression, there will be tougher sanctions and even more losses for it under president trump ukrainian-american relations have become as pragmatic as possible washington began supplying ukraine with javelins in exchange for contracts for the purchase of american coal and locomotives i gave you anti-tank weapons

president obama sent you pillows and sheets many people did not want to do it but i did it after february 24 washington became the undisputed leader of the west of the coalition that helps ukraine contain the russian invasion, zelensky's visit to the usa and his speech in the congress testified to the new nature of bilateral relations in 300 days of this war, we started a really new stage in our mutual relations between ukraine and the usa. we reached the level of a real alliance, which is 100% filled with real content and at the beginning of the war, the united states already provided ukraine with 13 billion dollars in direct financial aid only. america sent and continues to send various types of weapons to billions of dollars, the large-scale support of ukraine continues in 2023, well, an extremely informative plot

, especially, so to speak, remembering the american president in the hall of the session hall of the podlenim so they saw this demonic there were also such pages of our history as a new figure, in any case, the main thing is the current dynamics, because now the key is the support of the united states, it is not only about some foreign diplomatic support, it is about money for weapons and, so to speak, the coordination of various anti-putin forces in to the whole world , we will talk about this and other things with yulia smolovsk, expert in international relations, director of the kyiv office of globsech, who is now joining us in our studio, working oleg synyutka, people's deputy of ukraine and dmytro vasylov, political consultant, president of the development agency, research and analytics council, glory to ukraine, ms. yuliya, we are glad to have you. it is a pleasure to work with you. well, just now, on the

air of our tv channel, there was an extremely voluminous story, so to speak. presidents who directly influenced the situation of russian aggression influenced influenced but did not influence, in particular, we are talking about president obama and, so to speak, donald trump, that is, ukraine had extremely unkind partners at that time now it seems as if the situation is clear, president joseph biden has set certain priorities for himself, but how far, ms. yulia, will president joseph biden be prepared to go, in your opinion, because this conversation is not even about billions, this is a conversation about abrams tanks and leopard ii and, in general, about the supply of long-range combat systems of mrs. yulia, there are two

answers, the first one is a pragmatic concrete answer to your questions, how far america will be ready to go. of the russian invasion of ukraine, we can see that they gradually increased the nature of the technological advanced technologies of the weapons that were provided to ukraine. rather brutal and the discovery of new facts of the atrocities of the russian federation in ukraine, this marker is bucha, this marker is mariupol, this marker is the beginning of an attack on the critical infrastructure of ukraine, and we also see that the first stages of the provision of weapons were quite selective because there was a fear that the ukrainian armed

forces would not be able to master these western high-tech weapons at a fast enough pace, and we see that over time this level of trust in the capabilities of the ukrainian armed forces increased and, accordingly, the nature of the assistance that was provided and now with the latest decision to provide of the first patriot system, i qualify it as a psychological soviet that can open up opportunities for further acquisition by ukraine of abrams tanks and longer -range weapons and larger quantities of e-e armored vehicles is what we need, but for now there is a significant obstacle at the geopolitical level, as many analysts note . this

war will suit her to the extent that russia must be destroyed in a military way and it is this that holds back actually right now the further possibilities of providing america with these weapons that we want to get ms. yulia one clarification why exactly patriot, why not heimers, for example, this is a psychological border that must be crossed. well , no, no, heimers, heimers are actually very effective weapons, and the russian federation could react to them, and in rhetoric it was actually like something that cannot end up in the hands the ukrainian defenders, but the sky did not fall and we won back our territories to a certain extent, and the patriot for some reason has a psychological limit to buy everything that is not there, i can . autonomously controlled well, i can't give you a lot of technical details

here, military specialists will tell you better than me, but it is a connection to the general information satellite network of data exchange with nato member countries. that is, it is already an element of a certain operational integration if you want the ukrainian armed forces into the general nato system, and secondly, why the patriot , why the decision regarding petri was now, again, i return to the anchoring and changing and helping our western partners in the context of the russians on the critical infrastructure of ukraine, there was indeed a certain surge and there was even a slight shift in emphasis on the greater provision of various air defense systems to ukraine, and that is why the patriot arose now, but in my opinion it could be before the flow of further decisions regarding the supply of weapons and military armored vehicles and tanks, what do we actually need now for a large-scale counter-offensive operation in a

large-scale operation in order to liberate our territories in the future, thank you ms. yulia, gentlemen, we understand that the united states provide us with unprecedented in the history of the post-war world assistance, that is, we do not take into account the vietnam war. well, but what concerns the assistance, so to speak , for the last couple of decades - it is obvious that he and the united states are taking a huge risk, that is, escalation with a nuclear state that is, i understand their position, they support the democrats, they stand behind the value and are ready to pay a huge price for it, that is, on the other hand, we understand that the americans play by american rules, both in the world and so i would like to speak in international politics, accordingly , i would not like to make any mistakes in communication and cooperation with our overseas partners, mr. oleg, perhaps you have some additional information. what,

for example, would you like to see, except for some general stories about the development of democracy in ukraine we wanted to see the united states in ukraine, in particular, well, it is about the conversation between the presidents of zelenskyi and the maidan well, i think that it is not necessary to be particular about the highness when saying that the united states wants to take or you an independent ukraine, which is devoted to democratic values ​​as an outpost on the eastern flank of nato, and here , in fact, in the history of the last three years, is not a problem in the position of the united states of america, they have always consistently defended a democratic ukraine, rather, the problem here is with the ukrainian authorities, let's honestly remember that everything started with the initiation of a criminal case against biden poroshenko, according to the statement of the russian agent derkach, and i am convinced that this was such a blow against ukrainian-american

relations. and it is good that these relations did not give crack, because we also saw when the claim that came from the mouth of president zelensky to biden, why we did not look too diplomatic yet, and even such statements did not cause a crack in the democratic relations between democratic ukraine and the united states of america. i think that our partners did not understand why the country in the constitution of which the course towards the european union and nato is written in the person of the president of the country refuses to participate in the nato summit of britain. why is ukraine, already at war , sending to the nato summit in madrid as the head of the delegation for the head of the president's office, who before that speaks with an article about the fact that nato is not needed in ukraine, it's good that all these things are turned upside down and we passed through these

tests and the visit of president zelensky to the united states of america is actually very important and very symbolic. i am convinced that all diplomats have appealed note that the statement on the provision of the patriot complex was made before the meeting between president zelenskyi and president byder, this is actually such a very clear diplomatic gesture that says a lot, but i believe i am convinced that the united states will always stand on the side of a democratic ukraine. i want to emphasize to a democratic ukraine that the united states of america will help ukraine and will do everything possible to ensure that there is no corruption in our country, that the aid funds that are received are never scattered on various schemes, so the question today is not in the united states, they were and are convinced that they will be on the side of independent,

democratic ukraine. today, the issue in ukraine is that the ukrainian authorities must demonstrate the fight against corruption as a factor in our movement towards of the civilized world and the ukrainian government must demonstrate not in words but in action the partnership between our country and the united states is an extremely important moment oleg synyutka said so and emphasized the word they support a democratic country well i want to believe so that after the victory we will keep all the main trends, so to speak, until the development of a democratic system and so on, on the other hand, it’s true, dmitri, and you wonder, for example, what kind of vision from the united states is talking about our development vector, they would be interested, for example, in ukraine's entry into the euro-atlantic community , so we understand. what historical reaction is behind the scenes in this matter? we remember very well that a couple of months before the war,

putin issued an ultimatum to the entire western world from, i quote verbatim, take this criminal away with manatkas until the borders of 1994 year seems to be the year 97, er, with the manatkas, well , actually, on december 15, 21, putin declared his vision of the future vision of development, more precisely, the vision of the future development of the world, and he wanted to show that the entire structure that was built after the second world war he is no longer interested in war, he is ready to destroy it and he is ready to build something like the soviet union or the russian empire or the third reich, which i call it because the reich in german is an empire and putin wants to build his third empire. stalin and lenin want to build the second one and the third one, then the first second one is impossible without ukraine, just like the third one is impossible

without ukraine, that’s why such a rate is on ukraine, and that’s why, by the way, such a rate is democratic, yours the question was pro-pro-democracy, such a bet of the democratic world on ukraine because ukraine shows that today it is a leader of democratic education who is ready to fight for democracy, freedom on the battlefield and not to be afraid of it and actually defend the principles that, by the way, president zelensky talks about almost every day in his speeches and these are not just words, this is a demonstration of support for this democracy, support for democratic values ​​and the struggle for freedom. by the way, george bush, in one of the stories you showed, said that i believe that the united states of america really understands that today ukraine is fighting not only for itself, it is fighting for the world order built by the democratic world, and ukraine is helping to preserve this world order because if russia wins, then everything will collapse, including democratic coalitions and

the democratic world and that the vision with which the united states is going into the future in this sense, the united states of america sees ukraine as a real partner in preserving this world structure and forming a fundamentally new world with which we can enter as one of leaders both at the regional and global level, ukraine as a state, and i think that president zelenskyi is doing a lot to ensure that our partners understand that the intentions of ukraine, which were built under president yushchenko, are supported by the parliament under president poroshenko, when we adopted euro-andro euro-atlantic integration in the constitution and now we are doing it with the concrete steps of the ukrainian state and government with our application to the european union yes, it is there, but the main thing is what is happening before our eyes the rearmament of the ukrainian army to nato standards is taking place, this is what has always been said about the fact that we,

as ukraine, as a ukrainian armed forces of ukraine, are not yet up to nato standards, but now we are gradually, in fact, moving to these standards and we are showing on the battlefield that we are not only know how to use and we know how to use this much more effectively than sometimes other nato countries, which so far do not show anything special, even some countries have armed themselves, but they showed a story about angela merkel, it is absolutely obvious that the german ministry of defense has been engaged in the disarmament of germany for a long time, and today there is not enough power to start a war and keep defense as ukraine does today, that is why ukraine is following a democratic path, supports a democratic world and nato will not collect any coins. on the contrary, it will expand and we see that donati appears there. and this is sweden and finland. russia withdraws its cart. far, far away from ukraine will take place

thank you, i will remind you that we are in touch yuliya osmolovska, an expert in international relations mrs. yuliya, we talked about how it was, how am i now, let's look a little into the future, many people note that it seems like a turning point in the russian war against ukraine will come in 2023, we do not dream or celebrate, as they say, in advance, but there is an impulse to think and say this, in particular, because in 2024 the next presidential election is planned in the united states , it will be held in november, we hope everything will be according to plan well, let's say the history of the presidency of joseph biden, it could not claim a winning case now, especially after what happened in afghanistan, for example. so, i would like to quote the former minister of foreign affairs of ukraine pavel klimkin on our broadcast, he said that zelensky 's visit in the usa was a good event because biden showed that he is ready to invest in it,

this is his personal history as a politician as a person and part of his political legacy should be a joint victory over the russian by the federation. as i understand it, in the event that joseph biden plans to be the president of the united states for a second term, we now emphasize that bipartisan support in the states is important to us now, and we would like to believe that we are providing ourselves with this support , no matter how much you think they can events will develop in the next few years, the system estimates that for joseph biden, this is a personal story for his personal political portfolio. at the same time, in principle, regardless of his intentions , will he be re-elected on the next whether or not it is a term, it will still be a winning story for the democratic party that was at the helm in this historical period when ukraine will win together with the

united states. because it will be interpreted as a victory for our western partners for the leadership of the united states. yes, in the case of e- americans really need this story, democrats need it in terms of how much ukraine can be a stumbling block, whether there will be contradictions between the two parties in this context. i consider these risks as unlikely because the republicans may have a number of other issues regarding which they can test the strength of the democrats and joseph biden himself, we know about the republicans' intentions to initiate several issues regarding which even the impeachment of president biden may be considered, but this is definitely not a ukrainian case, they are connected there with other issues regarding ukraine, we see that there is double-edged bipartisan support and it was really cemented by this extreme visit

of our president to the united states, and therefore there are a lot of geopolitical connections that america will get in the event of ukraine's victory and negotiations over this, they talked about it in part, i will not repeat myself, so i am more than for america, it is so, well, the personal american motivation is for ukraine to win over russia, thank you, thank you, ladies yuliya yuliya osmolovska expert in international relations , director of the kyiv office of globsech , worked now live on espresso tv channel well, oleg synyutka, people's deputy of ukraine dmytro are working in our studio vasylov, political consultant, president of the intelligence agency of research and analysis, the council is very correct, we say yes, ukraine should be the story of the personal success of joseph biden and the american model of

democracy in general, and we hope that we are like ukraine , well, we are part of ukrainian society, yes. well, we will play a correspondingly understandable game but we understand that not everything is as simple as we would like. so, for example, let's go back to the history of the constitutional court , so to speak, the reaction on the part of the venetian commission, that is, it is recorded not in order to criticize someone, but we understand how important the current game is, we understand how painful it can be to react to one or another of our cases, for example , from the oceanic or european partners. the representatives of the countries of the european union that have delegated certain powers say that the mechanism works and so on, and we may have some such towbars that happen accidentally or not accidentally well, well, the story of by the constitutional court - this is an extremely serious case, perhaps there are some additional

things that should be paid attention to in our undoubtedly active society. olena. it seems to me that we already had such a very dangerous story in the background of the personal relationship between president zelensky and the president of the united states, and it was not a very good story for ukrainian- american relations. it is very important for us not to interfere in the internal affairs of the united states. it is not our business. it is very important for us to always have bipartisan support and in congress and in the senate and in the house of representatives, this is our goal for ukraine and i am convinced that if we always adhere to this opinion, it will definitely be a story of ukrainian success, and the united states will always support ukraine in two cases: first, when it is a democratic ukraine and secondly, when will ukraine be free of corruption, and this story with the

draft law already now because it was unfortunately signed by zelenskyi on the form of election of judges of the constitutional court definitely does not meet democratic standards and democratic values, that is why we in the parliament not only did not support this bill as a faction of european solidarity. we asked our colleagues not to vote for it because it will harm democracy in ukraine and automatically harm ukrainian-american relations because the united states cannot support an autocratic state because the united states cannot states should support a corrupt state, and we always, when we define certain priorities within ukraine, we must always understand that we can count on support and of the united states and the entire democratic world, when we will first be an effective country, a country that defends and defends itself,

but when we will also be a democratic country and a country that will eventually overcome corruption within the state, in your opinion, can the future be our victory, we are all sure that it will be an indulgence for any government, no matter who it is now, and it was not embodied physically in our country, or could all this be the intelligentsia for the mistakes that everyone makes absolutely so for maybe somewhere even conscious or unconscious sabotage of certain processes and how we will be after the war excuse me for not asking the question wake up in a country whose society was used to martial law the thesis cannot be criticized because the war and here is our society, which exists and has the ability to ask questions, maybe it will get used to not asking them i don't have

something else like that what is society asking us, moreover, there is actually quite a lot of political criticism, including on certain decisions that do not suit a part of society or a part of the political community in that among the parliamentary politicians are not satisfied. we have just heard criticism regarding the decision of the constitutional court, we have heard the decision on the complete construction of the law, reform, decentralization, we have heard the decision on the law that criminalizes certain a-a relations between e-e chiefs and subordinates, more ethical commanders and subordinates in the execution of orders e- er, in case of non-fulfilment of the orders of the armed forces of ukraine, yes, and it’s all democratic, it’s very platforms on which you heard this discussion, which television, uh, well, on a single broadcast, including by the way, why i i heard it, including in in any case , bobrovska was on the single airwaves today several times and spoke about the fact that this law does not correspond to the principles of

democracy and, er, after all the criticism, as we heard, er, general zaluzhnyk came out publicly and insisted on the correctness of this decision and asked the president to adopt this law because believes that this is exactly the law that today the armed forces of ukraine really need for the state to win, so it seems to me that there is democracy here and it seems to me that president zelenskyy is training during war today and with our common enemy, russia, so that after we defeat russia, we will defeat ourselves because larisa ivshina said such a very important phrase, your colleague , a prominent and well-known newspaper editor, she said that after we defeat the russians , we we have to help ourselves, something like that was said by yaroslav hrytsak, our famous professor and historian, teacher at the catholic university. he said that really after the war, we will be very fiercely at odds with each other, and there will be a lot of critics regarding the actions of the president and in relation to the action of the monomajority and in relation to the

interaction of the majority. maybe there with a part and fragments of the psg and so on, there is still a military and a military distance and the military . i think that after the war, after our joint victory, we will have a lot of struggle, including political , including social, among ourselves. i think that president zelenskyi is really preparing for the fact that he has to answer difficult questions and to also fight against democracy, which he considers correct in his understanding of the leadership of the state after the end of this war, in order for us to fight together for the democratic legal development of our state, ukraine, for which we are now fighting fighters at the front and we at all others and cultural, informational, political and other fronts. thank you very much , gentlemen, for this extremely interesting and meaningful discussion. oleg synyutka, people's deputy of ukraine