ethical enough, he spoke about the state procurement at the state expense of these uavs, he said that they do not make the weather special on the front, but instead we directly include in our broadcast the military, who are at ground zero on the front line, they say that maliks and other semi-civilian, semi-commercial ones are also needed they need uavs. they very often break down and they need to be constantly updated and updated, and therefore they constantly turn to citizens for well, and to those people who collect collect money to help volunteers with these prayers and commercial hpvs. and what do you think? as a military expert and military historian, the long-term use of such things should the ministry of defense and the general staff pay attention to this, and the state in its budget, too, on a separate line, the question is a difficult question, so mommies need mommies - these are expenses and material. from the experience of my daughter, who is in

poland, she organized meetings there among her friends, acquaintances, she is already there somewhere, i don’t remember another three or four dozen of these babies, she bought with joint funds and for different parts and divisions the defense force of ukraine, but on the other hand, on the other hand, they have this apparatus that is completely unprotected against means of electronic warfare. magic is a production of the chinese company dgi, which simultaneously produces aeroscopes , i.e. means of control, interception , control of the malik, that is, the army still needs unmanned aerial vehicles, although b with minimal protection from enemy means of radio- electronic warfare .

the requirements for passing the tests, that is, the process of taking disarmament, which used to take years, now it is measured in weeks, this is what concerns unmanned aerial vehicles , that is, my personal opinion emphasizes that everyone should mind their own business, the ministry of defense is preparing, supplying, serious, we will negotiate military uavs uh, for uh, military uh, tasks, well, more difficult uh, well, volunteers well, then we will fall in love and gather for these civilian uh-uh drones for dual use uh-uh in order to provide them to our units, by the way, the meaning of the same ones, which even the russians emphasize, is

that there is also a question and that seems to me to be a conflict of interests. well, not interests , but the problem is that officials say no although the military says yes, well, it was difficult to imagine that the army there, for example, the united states, fighting in afghanistan, one piece of equipment was purchased from the us budget, and the minister of defense said, well, these are volunteers . we are engaged in serious things , although the military says that we need it. you know how lame your analogy is, because we are not the united states of america. we have a budget. well, our budget does not have enough state income . as far as i understand, almost all of them go to military military needs and the situation when the state buys armored vehicles, for example, and the same jeeps are bought by volunteers, we buy them,

yes, yes, yes, we are not, we will not get away with it only at the expense of the state, yes, that is, we have to somehow to distribute these functions and these powers , and well, from my point of view, than there is one and a half dozen mauritians better . the state will be able to provide for everything and we must immediately choose a priority. thank you mr. andriy well, although we have money for large-scale construction, roads are still being built . of road construction. thank you mr. andriy

andriy kharuk, military historian, doctor of historical sciences, professor of the national academy of land forces named after hetman pyotr sagaidachnyi, he was in touch with us. well , let's continue to talk about the mobilization of the russian federation, the mobilization that began, in fact, never ended, but their new wave can be more large -scale, what are the accompanying consequences. it can drag not only for the situation on the contact line, but also for the russian federation as a whole . we congratulate sergey as a journalist. glory to ukraine, mr. sergey. well, how do you assess this mobilization reserve of the occupiers in the occupied territories? there is a lot of information from intelligence about what, in particular, in the south, in the east of the occupied territories, this mobilization has been going on for a long time, now it is being prepared by the russians in the south , that is, zaporozhye, kherson region those parts

that are still under occupation, how much can this change the situation on the battlefield, please know, it is an interesting situation that this can change the situation in the rear, first of all, the russian army then it will be reflected in the situation on the battlefield. of course, on the battlefield, although all people are inexperienced, by the way, there is time to teach them , but still, it is better when they are there than when they are not, because while a person sits in a trench even if it doesn't shoot well. it occupies it. it will defend itself and the enemy's soldiers will not be able to enter there . of course, you can win a war with numbers, in principle, and the soviet experience has shown this repeatedly, in fact, all the wars it won russian federation e the soviet union, the russian empire, they

fought just in numbers, so i would not belittle this factor a, but there is a positive point in the fact that we the more people are mobilized violently, all the ideological ones have long gone, so to speak, and many have been disposed of and here are those who are now being violently mobilized they remain families, and they themselves don't really want to fight . the moral and psychological state of these people, ah, on the economic support of the russian military, that's why we have pros and cons, and what do you think about mobilization in russia itself? and in general, we are talking here about the so-called civil society in russia, to what extent it can influence it, and after the last

large losses of russians in makiivka, in particular, and in the kherson region, where 500 people died there in one day, 500 people there are now difficult to leave, but so far this is a russian reaction, on the contrary, i quoted a letter from russian widows, uh, an organization, they are there they demand increased mobilization, and we still have millions of men who can support the army of conscripts . russian widows are writing an appeal to putin. losses and stop this war, i am asking for civil society in russia. it seems to me that there has been no for a long time, and the fact that we see these appeals and understand that this can be inspired, we know that the same beauty of the greatest actually seems to be in europe. yes, no

remembers maybe in the world of boto farms and what he doesn’t even use in the competition and now you can talk about prigozhin’s war with the local donetsk and luhansk a-a and in the ministry of defense of russia, including that if there are such signals at all a -a appear in the russian information segment of the information field, that is how it says that really, most likely, a-a is planning another wave of mobilization at the request of the people. so to speak, as always there is done a with phenologically because the kremlin carries big losses moscow is suffering heavy losses at the front and they need to be filled with something , ah, contract workers, probably. there are not many people who want a contract, eh, for which they have probably already been cleared . prigozhyn traveled there, that's why mobilization - it will happen in any case. it's a matter of time or it will happen tomorrow, as

our minister of defense wrote there various kps warned our intelligence whether it will happen in a month, but it will happen in any case , the russians must be ready for the fact that they will be taken away and sent to this office. i was actually very surprised. because, frankly, i did not know about the existence of such an organization in the russian federation, it is called "sitting rus" well, in fact, there is such a term in a situation where there is a systematic violation of human rights. as i understand it, a human rights defender simply cannot do without such initiatives. to express a desire to be recruited there, for example, in a private military company, they will look for other resources for the mobilization of e-e allegedly and allegedly literally yesterday with the participation of putin and all the military there of the semi-military leadership of the russian

federation, there was a meeting about the prospects of the mobilization process, and the issue of the rub was, as we understand, it could be about closing the borders, the director of the fsb, in particular, informed that it is possible to do it, and the main thing is to do it carefully, and he noted that it is possible to mobilize in the first place alimony is not paid, for example, there are also initiatives, the head of the refel center, vera nabioli, allegedly sent a letter to the institutions demanding that they serve summonses to clients who they don't pay their bills well, we can't somehow confirm or deny this information , but nevertheless, informational reasons appear, mr. sergey, well, comment on it somehow, i don't know, i'm not asking to evaluate how it will affect russian society, again, but the situation at the front, we can evaluate, unfortunately , i do not have such a source there in the form of

russian. it is difficult for me to say where the propaganda is, and what we are pleased to hear, i want us to understand it. and where is the reality ? of the russian federation should take into account the mood in russia, because ah, well, we remember that there were a lot of them. when they ended, they ended with russian revolutions in russia . yes, the empire fell after the first world war, as we remember, so i don't having really there so such measures will be carried out a-a it seems to me that they are not even legally er-e justified, yes, that is, for a loan and new bullings cannot give instructions to someone er-e to send summonses yes, because it is, well, banks and the military as it were the sector is different things, and although in general i believe that such a proposal could sound like this, it is

because in this way, ours is surprising, but it solves banking problems using the same military forces that are currently used in the russian federation. that is, now, i think it is not so honorable to be a military man in russia, as it used to be , and what is it? well, you will have to really prepare for mobilization. well, i say it again, it will definitely be a question. time putin is interested in prolonging the military conflict, he cannot end it quickly with a result that can satisfy him, therefore he will prolong it with the aim of weakening ukraine with the aim of a-a exhaustion of our partners who will get tired of helping us and for this he will again to pelt us with corpses in order for there to be someone to fight will have to replace

these corpses alive, i'm sorry, yes, that is, there will definitely be a mobilization, as i don't even understand why they say there when a wave of mobilization is not wave this is another round, in fact, because it does not end, yes, and we remember that the decree on promobilization was not canceled by him, maybe i missed something, but it seems to me that it continues, it is true that no new mobilization is to be announced it is not necessary, you can just continue the old p . sergius, but look, you mentioned about the first world war and about the empire, which, unfortunately, disintegrated then to replace this tsar, which is also enough. well, he had a sufficiently false influence on the ukrainians and treated them with enough disdain and to the ukrainian nation, to ukrainian statehood, to everything else, even more evil came, communist bolshevik evil, which simply started if shevchenko was sent there to kazakhstan to be held captive, then the ukrainians simply began to shoot and

without any trial, without any investigation, the same bolshevik threes of stalin now in russia there is any possibility at all to replace this regime with some more humanistic regime, because they mentioned this elvira on the violin, this person still seems to be from the team, do you remember igor gaidar, he was such a liberal, so there democrats, and herman hreb was there, and anatoliy chubais and this nabiolina, there are many people, and where are they all now? putin's government seems to me to be the opposite of what he said, that he is interested in the war continuing, because the unification of the russian world is going on around him, and he is becoming the leader of the russian world, which is fighting against the rest of the humanistic western world, as they say there, with its liberal values ​​and everything. and around him there is someone who can replace him, this yevhen prigozhin , that is, in this force can become if the russian society will be disappointed in putin. she can lead such people can lead the new

russia, are there any, well, any forces there that are different from putin and this pobeda bessiya zekivske in the form of this partheno-enraged yevgena prigozhina and well, i don't think that prigozhin has a chance to really lead russia federation because there are many of them. prigozhyn is more like the kind of staff that serves political circles, but the problem you are talking about really exists. well, i think that we are not wrongly looking at the ways to solve it. it seems to me that no matter who leads russia now, even if navalny is there, there will be the same result over time, maybe not so quickly, but over time there will be the same result, because there is a form of arrangement of the russian empire. and it remains an empire and it will remain, and it is an empire cannot be democratic, of course, otherwise these peoples are simply those who have nothing in common , neither faith nor tradition nor language. by the

way, they will simply diverge. that is, the empire is doomed to be authoritarian or totalitarian. therefore, we must work to ensure that there are no empires at all, so that russia existed in other forms, so to speak. i hope that it will not be just one state, give a test, what can they not get along with, or can it be and have an effect, you know two magnets that try to connect plus to plus or minus to minus, they repel each other. russia's democracy, will it be able to transform it and digest it? and it is possible that this is a way out of the situation. because we talk a lot about what russia should look like in order for border-to-border coexistence with it to be safe for us , everyone says about the need for the collapse of this e- is of the federal formation of the collapse yes, but well, this is a

very optimistic view. and what if we really shove democracy into them, from which they cannot organically perceive the pzovkamatynskyi, since he lived there for six months. it was a russian democracy that ended with the bolshevik coup, please tell me that while the russian federation exists in the form of an empire, democracy is impossible there and in general, democracy is impossible for anyone , not even us. i'm sorry, i believe that ukraine is not yet a democratic state, but we are paying for this democracy only with revolutions and how many lives have we given for so that the russians become a democracy, eh. well, i think that democracy is possible. when it is not the empire first, and when they themselves want eh to have this democracy and are ready to pay for it. then it will be effective. now the question is not that to make russia democratic. the question is to make russia not an empire. it is a rebellion. i just

thought that putin is interested in war because he is pulling the russian peace around him. you know, i do not agree here because people are inspired by war when they victorious when she is invincible when there are losses , uh, there are no victories and there are defeats, people are tired of war, and that’s why putin simply has no choice now, he either fights and exists in power in general, rather, it all physically exists and lives while this war is going on, either the war or he wins although he seems to me that it is impossible because it is impossible to win now the whole world or he will lose this war and cease to exist simply as a person he or his people are beaten or a lot awaits him because these are war crimes that is why he was detained because he just wants to live a our task is to speed up its end and the end of this war. well, i will correct it a little, meaning

to make russia a beautiful, flourishing democratic country in any way . and in the end, the russian federation could remain in such a state for a long time, if not in chaos, as yehor said, simply trying to somehow get along with the democracy that they would, for example, adopt as a rule of life if so whatever, let it be inspired by us , but one thing is democracy in ukraine, how we are able to develop it so despite all the imperfections, another thing is democracy there where in principle there is nothing democratic , first, democracy in russia is yeltsin's so -called and haydal's, which he mentioned anyway, it's a pity for russia to wage the first chechen war, the

first georgian war in abkhazia, the second chechen war, that is, democracy did not prevent them from fighting and killing people, unfortunately, from shooting their own parliament in 1993. that is not why i say that russia democracy is incompatible things, it's just that there won't be russia as an empire, then there will be on the territory of these new countries, maybe democracy can and no, we'll see this question, our task is simply to make sure that there is no empire. it's clear. serhiy garmash. thank you for your participation. serhiy garmash was from we, well, now we are going to our next guests, analysts, journalists, and the yoke, now we are waiting for kateryna of the regional center for human rights, mrs. kateryna, we welcome you glory to ukraine good day good morning good morning very painful question ukrainian children in war conditions and their number

in the territory of the russian federation. in fact, these are deported minor citizens of our country whom we usually try to return , but so far it looks like such individual cases or dozens of cases before the start of a full-scale war. russia began to deport ukrainian children from the self-proclaimed ldr to its territory, and since february 24 increased, the occupiers took out entire boarding facilities. well, on october 25, a lawyer from the regional human rights center filed a report with the international criminal court about crimes that has all the elements genocide. please tell me in more detail what you expect from this message, the reactions to this message, yes, and why do you justify this as a genocidal practice? yes, thank you for the question

. long before the full-scale invasion since 2014, since the beginning of the temporary occupation of the crimean peninsula, as well as since the beginning of the armed conflict on the territory of donbas, therefore it is necessary to understand here that the russian federation already has experience. she perfectly understands what she does and what she is persecuting, and knowing about these examples, since the regional human rights center or creation as an organization that initially dealt exclusively with issues related to human rights violations on the territory of the occupied crimean peninsula , knowing about these deportations at illegal adoptions of ukrainian children, however, it should be emphasized here that the russian federation was quite careful before the start of the full-scale tournament and hid all this information, tried to prevent it from spreading, but we managed to record more cases and today i am talking about 400 cases of illegal transfer of non-violent transfer of children to russian families of

ukrainian children. as for the number of children taken out, it is difficult to be precise here, since the russian federation does not allow this process, obviously neither ukraine as a state nor independent international organizations no. moreover , not governmental organizations, these rights are destroyed from 300,000 to 700,000, but we must understand that the majority of these children are children who were taken away for seven who will deported with one parent or with the law of representatives. at the same time, before the beginning of the large-scale invasion, several thousand children arrived in special institutions, that is, they were orphans, children deprived of parental care, or children with disabilities who needed round-the-clock medical supervision and were kidnapped by the russian federation deported along with the registers along with all the documents for the purpose of later handing them over to russian families

the actions of many crimes of the russian federation on the territory of ukraine, if there is a specialist of fate, that is, this genocidal intention, could also be called genocide, but for such a position we still lack a certain evidence base, but as for the forcible transfer of children, this evidence base is poison because russian russian officials in including that this vertical ends with putin personally gave the appropriate orders in his interviews and in his statements spoke openly about what they seek to do with the children, namely to eradicate their ukrainian the identity of turning them into russian citizens. at first they talked openly about converting, then they simply called ukrainian children their russians, and this greatly simplified and accelerated the process of illegal adoptions or establishing guardianship . certain terms vary here, there are signs to prove the crime of genocide, it does not matter what the russians

call it. whether they call it adoption or temporary foster care or foster care or any other form, it still means that the child is in russian society. integrates into the russian community. this is done by force. there is no opportunity for a ukrainian child to learn the ukrainian language, to practice ukrainian culture , to remain a ukrainian, that is, she is forcibly turned into a russian, and here please, mrs. kateryna, we are now talking only about children who are deprived of the example of parental care, we are now talking about children who were separated from their parents or are we talking about children and parents who were deported together on the territory of the russian federation, we are talking about all minors, but it is necessary clarify in what context when we talk about children deprived of parental care, orphans, including those children who were orphaned by the russian federation itself by its own actions, i.e. as a result of the murder of their parents and as a result of depriving

their parents of their illegal will, i.e. in the process of the so-called filtering e-e also that is, when we talk about these children, it is important to emphasize here that they are the first risk group for being forcibly transferred to a russian family for upbringing when we talk about children for example, with parents, it is important to remember all these, you know, fake vacations , that is, children were really sent to russian camps, so they really tried to position it as a vacation, but these were measures aimed at russifying children in their literacy and not turning them into enemies of ukraine, and just recently russian children's shoemaker, in her interview in which she seemed to summarize the results of her activities for 2022, named the real reasons why ukrainian children who have parents were taken away from the temporarily occupied territories in the territory of the russian federation for similar changes. that is, it was in order to integrate them into russian society, to show them prospects for life in the russian federation, to russify them, to

familiarize themselves with the russian language and russian culture, also if we are talking about children who were relocated, deported with their parents correctly say they were deported because it is an international crime at the same time and a war crime, a crime against humanity. and if special intent is proven, it can also be considered genocide. these children also become the victims of russification and the victims of militarization, they are scattered widely scattered throughout the territory of the russian federation, this is all done deliberately in order to avoid the concentration of ukrainian citizens in close groups in one territory, to make sure that these citizens of ukraine are integrated into the russian environment as soon as possible, and it is from children that such a process begins integration, they are sent to russian schools, they are sent to additional classes in the russian language, they are included in the bosom of the russian orthodox church, where with them special washing conditions are carried out about what exactly are the goals in the russian federation that the russian federation is the aggressor and our

ukrainian state is the nazis and the like of a person and her name is maria e-e belova, once lviv, lviv, white , she herself said that she herself adopted a ukrainian child there. and this one is a russian citizen, she is under sanctions, a criminal case has been opened against her in the territory ukraine, i.e., in what international status are they now in the authorized state, i would like to ask about this act of adoption. i would like to dwell on it very quickly , because this adoption of philip was illegal, even according to the e-e russian family code, because at the time of the adoption of philip bubu in a citizen of ukraine and only in september. and in honor it happened in july. he received a russian passport, that is, he became a citizen of the russian federation, and so here is not only a violation of ukrainian legislation of international law

but even russian specialized legislation applies to this particular person in the notification that was submitted by the regional center for human rights and also in cooperation with the lemkin institute. told herself that there definitely cannot be any doubts about the intentions with which she is doing this, in fact, we believe that in lviv putin was appointed in october 2021 for this very purpose to open precisely for the purpose of transferring ukrainian children to a russian family precisely for the purpose of russifying them precisely for the purpose of putting the so-called himmler in a skirt so uh-uh because the policy is very similar to what the nazis did during the second world war thank you very much for this inclusion, for dealing with this extremely important case , kateryna rashevska, a lawyer of the regional center