kluzi in general it is unlikely that it will seriously affect the event because it seems to me that until now , many people think that it is somewhere far away, it is still far away, everything that is happening does not concern my son or my husband, it does not directly affect even his friends were not taken to the front, for example that's why eh well, how would this be the case neslozhenskaya version thank you very much maksym polyakov, a journalist of the russian internet magazine 7x7, we talked about eh moods in russian society, in particular, after the attack on maksym makyivka thank you, last night, zaporizhzhia was subjected to russian rocket fire, as a result of which 8 high-rise buildings and a kindergarten building were damaged. it is known that one woman was injured, in particular, she reported this to the secretary of the zaporizhia city council, anatoly kortikortiv

, he also published photos from the site of the attack, the russian side has not yet reported anything about this shelling, meanwhile, in the village of vasylivka, this is already an occupied part of the zaporizhzhya region, the building of the military commandant of the russian forces allegedly came under fire, local publications write about it and also confirms the mayor of melitopol, ivan fedorov, the representative of the occupation authorities, volodymyr rogov, claims that there are dead and wounded, that there were at least four arrivals of hypercars, as he says , there are no independent confirmations of this information at the moment in the armed forces of ukraine. this is a shelling, they did not comment at the same time in the current morning summary of the general staff, it was reported that on january 2, in the areas of the occupied settlements of tokmak, melitopol, berdyansk, and vasylivka, zaporizhzhia region, ukrainian forces struck two points of deployment of russian troops, as a result of which up to 260 servicemen of the russian armed forces were eliminated and wounded, regardless of whether there is at least additional

confirmation of this information. reported by the ukrainian side to undermine the mobilization processes in russia itself according to the notification of the ukrainian authorities. in his evening address the day before, he also mentioned the new mobilization processes that are allegedly being prepared in russia . mykhailo samus , an expert at the army research center for disarmament conversion, joins the broadcast. in the zaporizhzhia region, it is alleged that 260 e. in addition, literally on the eve of the general staff, it was announced that russian military equipment was hit by a russian e-e in the vicinity the occupied chulakivka is the kherson region and there it was reported that the losses amounted to about 500

soldiers, together with the wounded and the dead. losses. can it be true? of course it can. why can’t it be true because no one is reporting about it? but if it happened in makiivka, it happened immediately and there was some kind of information leak in russia, and western intelligence reported about it. and about some additional ones? the very huge losses reported by the ukrainian side. a-a with the personnel of the russian federation command posts e-e warehouses with ammunition e-e in the south of the country, for example, including,

for example, when the operation on the right bank of the kherson region was being prepared, you did not hear of such large losses of the russians, they were they struck constantly and all this created conditions when the ukrainian army simply pushed out the russians, the right to choose was during the operation a-a in the kharkiv region and now under bahmut eh, i assure you if you even watch the video eh, those eh heaps it's just the grief of the bodies that are lying there , for some reason the russian press doesn't write about them. i can explain it very simply. the fact is that when the russian press, er, the russian press is also certain groups of influence, er, it's interesting , they hype it up if it's not interesting they are not they are spreading the word, and it is obvious that the makiivtsi situation was an attempt by the same prigozhin and those oligarchs who are behind prigozhin prigozhin, it just might be a reliable person, in fact

, to hit the military leadership, because it was a specifically step-by-step attack on gerasim and even syrovytin, although sorovitin are people prigorna, but the allusions were precisely to the top leadership, the military leadership of the russian federation, and it was promoted and will continue to be promoted in the information space of the russian federation, although propaganda a-a what in principle related to the ministry of defense of the russian federation, and transferred it to the fault of the mobilized people themselves, who apparently used mobile phones. and ukrainian intelligence is of no use here. therefore, i would honestly not focus on the general information space at all in terms of calculating losses from the russian side. well, me too not only the press was meant, and even more so, not only the russian press was meant, but we are also focusing on the reports of western intelligence agencies, including, well, the reports of the western press which has its own sources, it’s not. it’s very

cool to focus on washington in a row, which is counting the bodies of russian soldiers, er, somewhere under the bachmouth, but i would not be fascinated by these reports, and also by western developments, well, believe me, ukrainian intelligence knows much more about the situation at the front than a hospital post or uh british intelligence or american sometimes just military officials and politicians what they can't say in public can tell journalists this also happens and what else i thought i also wanted you to ask about the large number of victims reported by the ukrainian side, i thought , and perhaps this is an informational and psychological special operation on the part of the ukrainian side, because russia is allegedly preparing mobilization from day to day, and such information could somehow undermine russia's plans for mobilization within its own country, perhaps this the informational and psychological operation is from the point of view that there are losses, but they must be properly presented to the

information space so that as many russians as possible learn about it and this is a normal practice i believe that it is necessary to influence the enemy. especially since the enemy is currently in a state of turbulence. i will repeat myself once again between different groups, criminal, oligarchic , security forces, and so on. now there is already a struggle for how they will exist after putin. because ah-ah putin is in a catastrophic state. no matter how much he does not hide and smile and does not film with the military , it is obvious to everyone that he is completely destroyed and destroyed and in general the question is very short. i think sometimes when these groups will start frankly, it is already uh to push him out of power. and from the point of view of uh, will it affect the russian russian uh, the russian population, i wanted to say society, but society in

russia, unfortunately, uh, there is no there is a population, there is uh, you can also say more clearly, what kind of slaves do we really have, well, they don't know how to think critically, they don't know how to think about the fact that you don't have to follow idiotic orders, you don't have to go to war, it's unclear, in order for putin to live a little longer, because this war is already over no, it's not a military operation, it's exclusively from putin's point of view - it's exclusive is an operation to extend his political and physical life because as soon as this war ends putin disappears he disappears as a political personality he disappears as a physiological substance because he started this uh catavasis and he has to disappear with it because he involved all of them people, what are you now showing in that situation when they stole for 20 years, they

stole trillions of dollars, but in fact now they are sitting at a broken trough and this person who is to blame for this situation is putin, and therefore he can only maintain the situation by continuing the war at least somehow under control, so i don't think that somehow uh, unfortunately, our informational and psychological operations regarding many beaten russian soldiers can somehow affect the situation. i remember how it was, for example, with afghanistan in the soviet union, when it became known, first of all, that this war was actually an invasion, and then the first information about large losses really shook, including stability soviet union and do you have any doubts about the fact that mobilization will begin from day to day in russia, mobilization must begin because this is the logic of the process

, they simply do not have reserves and do not have the resources to start a new offensive operation of a strategic scale , even of an operational level, they now they are trying to conduct certain tactical battles, including bakhmut soledar, other directions. they are trying to prevent ukrainian offensives, but of course putin would like to change the situation , he tried to change the situation for account, as we said, the creation of an artificial humanitarian crisis, an energy crisis in ukraine, this did not happen and it is obvious that he has another idea. now, of course, the only way out for him is to prepare a large operation, including from the territory of belarusians from other directions, and try to repeat the leap of the mongoose that failed 24 february of last year, of course, this is all a delusion, it will have absolutely no effect, it will be another big step towards disaster, but then it must be done. he must continue to try to

somehow save the situation. to repeat er continue this war and that is why he should carry out mobilization, will it be from the point of view of how it was announced, including our er leaders of the state and the army that it will be a total mobilization with the closing of the borders or will they try to search again some additional opportunities to attract russians to the front well, for example , today i see a version that there are eight million debtors for loans in russia, they are still not released abroad, all these databases are very clearly located in banks and they can be used there, at least about 4 million men, from them you can easily recruit half a million people who have some kind of military specialty, that is, it is possible that such a method will be used. that is, these debtors will be called and with an

offer to write off the debt and serve six months there on mobilization maybe this way and this way is very very very likely because just the day before there was a message that russian smuggling sent a letter to russian banks about summoning debtors and offering them to sign a contract with by the armed forces of russia in exchange for the write-off of debts there. therefore, it is possible. allow me to quote you several reports from the press that we talked about at the beginning. for example, the american wall street journal writes that, referring to the ukrainian command and british intelligence, that the russian troops are forced weakened the offensive on bakhmut and transferred part of the equipment and forces to soledar, which is located 15 km from bakhmut, what does this tell you ? the troops are really successful, not only did they stop the enemy's offensive actions, but they had

several successful operations, now there are several advances, perhaps the beauty who announced that there are 500 defensive lines that still need to be overcome. he is all well, i decided not to go further. not to completely destroy my entire army at this point, but to try. in other directions , there may be such a solution to try, for example , to go a little further south and try to break through the ukrainian defense there once bakhmut it is not possible to take and thus extend the time even more because it is obvious that prigozhyn promised putin some result he promised this result and in any case, by the end of the year, it was successful, now all this is turning into more of a problem for prigozhyn or he already has to demonstrate success, strength, do you remember how on new year's eve he used to go

to the morgues there, demonstrating how he treats his killed, very respectfully, how he used to go to ukrainian prisoners of war with tangerines and so on, that is, he demonstrates such brutal reality, brutal morality , new for the russian population, what awaits them, in fact, that is, he demonstrates that he is more cool than putin, this is the kind of putin, er, in 1999, he also flew on airplanes, er, dived there on submarines boats and so on, that is, the urine of all the toilets, that is, he was then such a demonstration of a brutal leader with a strong hand who would bring order, but the toilet already plays such a role, that is, he is more brutal between putin, he will bring order, a weakling, he failed this operation about some against some ukrainians, and therefore he must avoid a rout in bakhmut - this is already an unsuccessful situation, he must leave there

maybe somewhere else, he will succeed, i think that if he doesn't succeed there, i 'm sure that he won't succeed there, he will disappear from the front and start working in some other areas, for example, it is really possible to form some kind of protest mood among the society , raising the question why does the military leadership allow the destruction of mobilized people ? very positive for putin, but he will be forced to come to terms with this, since he has no real power to stop these processes already, mykhailo, you are forced to quote another report in the media the day before the new york times wrote that due to night attacks, the armed forces of ukraine they began to use expensive missiles and aviation, which cost ten times more than the drones with which they shoot down these missiles, these

missiles shoot down drones, and in ukraine, they did not seem to deny it, but answered that human lives are at stake, and not quite here it is correct to compare how much a rocket costs, how expensive it was, and how much a human life is worth, but i have another question , if this is really the case, how long can ukraine defend itself against the shaheds with expensive missiles, and what other solution can there be, and the other solution cannot be the ukrainian e- e army ukrainian air defense must ensure one hundred percent quality when repelling missile strikes and drone strikes absolutely true absolutely supports the opposition that the calculation is not based on the cost of the missile but on the cost means of destruction, what damage can it cause, it can destroy several houses, destroy , that is, one rocket can destroy, for example , stolovski lives and one apartment building, we will count how much this rocket costs, that is, the question how much, how long, i think that in terms of economic resources, the united states , germany, france, italy, spain, which

supply us with air defense equipment that is a little richer than russia and iran combined . moreover, i think that by several orders of magnitude , that is, by several zeros, not just there times and that's why we're talking about how long we can play chess, where as much as it takes, so much must be played, there is no other way out , so much in the congress of the united states of america, they are electing a speaker, and so far it looks so unsuccessful . and as of yesterday, the renewed congress was supposed to begin its work but did not begin due to lack of votes to appoint the main person in congress, the speaker, the speaker of the house of representatives - this is actually the third person in the united states for

by the constitution after the president and vice-president, and in the history of american parliamentarism, a similar situation happened as recently as 100 years ago in 1923, then the speaker of the house of representatives also failed to be elected the first time, and in the end, 9 rounds of voting were needed and it stretched over several days. how many rounds and days of voting will take, now it is not clear. and until the speaker is not elected , legislators cannot work. the day before , the congress voted three times already, and as a result , the majority republican party could not collect the necessary 18 votes for the approval of five-57-year-old representative from california kevin mccartney, he is a candidate for the position of speaker well, it was expected that he would replace the representative of democracy in nancy pelosia . the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine 14-19 years old pavlo klimkin joins our broadcast. good evening to you

both. i'm reading the news at the same time and see that at 7 o'clock outside kyiv another the procedure for electing the speaker well, i still don't see the message that the speaker was elected, say the opposite, i'm sorry, they lost, the fourth round is also over, only i understand and one of the candidates described, er, against mccarthy , he got 20 votes, which means that the fourth round is over, swords and what yes, i can see that they are very lively, and that’s what i’m saying . well, they’re just diplomatic. they talk carefully. and now the consultations will continue. so it’s really a classic and political tiger trailer. and it reminded me of the election of

the pope when they are elected there. by the way, we are now we are showing the american congress live, just now these discussions are going on, it reminded me of the election of the pope, when you know they elect until the white smoke leaves the building, and here they will elect until the last, that is, there is no time limit or rounds during which the speaker must be elected, formally no, but it delays everything the work of the congress, since the speaker has not yet been elected and this is a requirement of the american constitution, even congressmen cannot take the oath, that is, the real work of the congress has not started for 100 years . i don't remember at all how much of this was necessary to look into the history of the 19th century and this is a knot of problems and challenges since internal disagreements within the

republicans have gathered here and here is actually the question and what are the republicans, what are they about what kind of jenga do they have, what is their agenda what will they come up with this year, when will the presidential campaign begin, and these are all difficult questions, since the party is very fragmented today, and you see it. the second point is the personal ambitions of many congressmen. rolled in. and i understand that they are all from the right wing, so to speak. this is not the right wing that we are used to in the context of european parties. nevertheless, they categorically oppose the classical approach, as they consider it, and which is dominated by the party bureaucracy and so far

i see the determination, and overnight no one agreed with anyone and it is not just about concessions , it is actually about serious things, i do not rule out that at some point it will be very serious sorry for the jargon, what a letter to the house, i see that the president of the united states joe biden of the united states addressed the congressmen. he said that what is happening now could jeopardize the ability of the congress to run the country and called on the republicans. now we are showing live what is happening in the congress, this is a broadcast of sushi and the press is here. well, well, what are the exits, then you say that it is possible, it has already reached a dead end, you say that it is a political thriller. well, what solution can be so far it's not a dead end, i just

don't see a bad angle for biden. i don't want to be cynical, but for the democrats it's a blessing, since the republicans got off to a bad start, they'll remember it the whole 23rd year and i think they'll remember it in the 24th during presidential debates, and i think that i will now say that there will be an agreement on everything, it will be very difficult and it will be necessary to share not only positions in the congress and promises regarding specific bills . today i i believe that because the majority supports mccarthy, but there are also people who, what i hear from my

republican friends, are ready to stand up to the end of their husband, and it will be necessary to talk to them quite creatively. well, it is perfectly clear to everyone that now for the republicans, this is not the worst possible presidential campaign. the real one will start sometime in the spring. for us, it is not an ideal option, frankly, because there are currents within the republican party, so they are not numerous. but none the less, what are able to block important decisions and what is called superova, and it is in my heart that the aid package has come to us, we have a guarantee and it looks like lisa, so i don't see any significant threats for us, but risks, of course

, exist, the risks are not so much that someone comes to us it is bad for a few of these congressmen, but there are such complex discussions within the republicans that will block important votes, of course, and they do not suit us at all. well, actually, i wanted to ask you what the conclusions are now from all this. the history of the united states has definitely been up to this point, and the visit of volodymyr zelenskyi to washington once again confirmed that ukraine has bipartisan support. nevertheless, taking into account what is currently happening in the congress, what conclusions and signals should ukrainian diplomats and ukraine in general receive from us with the support of two parties. i don't see any problems here, everything is super and emotion and political support and understanding that ukraine is something that shares with the americans

a sense of freedom, dignity and, in fact, values ​​and there are no comparisons, uh, there was a lot of speculation, remember 38-39 czechoslovakia. and what kind of country is there, who would care about it at all, but there is not even a hint of such in general , that is, in this sense, everything is great, but if internal feelings will affect the vote on the real consideration of very serious issues, including regarding aid to ukraine, if this will be a trading card for domestic politics, this is all for us, it is not a day for now.

by those who can put sticks in the wheels for completely different reasons, i emphasize that building not just political relations but personal relations with these people is actually a very difficult creative and strategic task for this year and for the next year. well, in fact, i also want to remind here that there is a certain the conservative wing of the republican party, which has repeatedly stated that they are determined to strengthen control over aid to kyiv, and by the way, the candidate for the position of speaker, kevin mccarthy, also once said that he does not want to write out an unlimited check to kyiv, as he said then, and and you say that you do not expect that help to kyiv can become a bargaining chip in this situation. so i don't see it yet. unfortunately, in politics, never say never, this threat also needs to be reckoned with on the map and all the republicans

that i hear from, that i actually know, they constantly repeat the word accounts, bills, accountability , it is very important for them to tell their voters that the money is spent properly and, uh, americans, i don't really like this word, that's how average uh, americans are. they have sympathy for ukraine, but for republican voters it is very important to say and what is this money for, what is the strategy behind it? what results will russian information companies get otherwise? yes, there is inflation. and money is spent on ukraine, that is, we need to be vigilant. but again, i emphasize the mental threats for now

i do not see that some tranche of aid is not allocated to us or that we have problems with weapons, but there are some procedural points and the use of this, which is a variable of domestic politics. i believe this is absolutely real, in addition, the republicans very often say that they want to hold several hearings, including regarding the son of president biden, hunter biden, here someone will definitely raise an issue related to us, and here we can actually get into such a very difficult minefield field, if i am not talking about ukraine again, i have bilateral two-party support, but in fact it is bilateral, i have seen it, but there may be some delays in voting, procedural issues may arise, or we are fighting in real time, so on this

it is necessary to spend very, very much, again i emphasize emotions and creativity and ultimately strategic planning well, four rounds as you say already passed 100 years ago, nine rounds passed before the speaker was elected, let's see how much is enough now for the american congressmen, thank you very minister of foreign affairs of ukraine 2014-2019 pavlo klimkin was on radio svoboda, we talked about the elections of the speaker of the american congress, which are ongoing, but at this very moment, we will monitor what is happening, in particular, in the american congress and we will follow the events in ukraine so as not to miss anything, i traditionally encourage you to subscribe to radio svoboda pages on social networks instagram telegram facebook twitter viber and also two channels on youtube radio svoboda and radio svoboda ukraine and subscribe, well, traditionally , your wishes and remarks are there any questions or comments?