it would be possible to offer alternative methods, for example, during blackouts, this is a programmed auction, when the participant of fame with his lower er higher price, i.e. the starting and lowest price, and if the light goes out automatically within this amount, the price is automatically lowered, i.e. how much obedience do we have we have ivan aktionov, the deputy executive director for the implementation of innovative transfer projects international ukraine, talked with us about transparency and why auctions are now held in such a complete format after all, they will not be, and how is this connected with the light, with the lack of communication, with the lack of appropriate communication between the cabinet of ministers , with society, with business, and so on? congratulations on the

upcoming christmas to those ukrainian christians who celebrate this holiday according to the julian calendar, volodymyr. by the way, which calendar do you celebrate according to the two? yes, we have two christmases today, this dinner, so one - it is rather in the format i am the wife, the son sometimes friends, and the second is that we are going to grandma and grandpa's house today, and we will have a christmas eve with the participation of our older generation, well, tomorrow we will have one and bought for the event for the first time in fact for the last probably 360 years, the metropolitan of the ukrainian church, in the ukrainian language, epiphany, will conduct the christmas service at the dormition cathedral, which of his pechersk lavra, how important is this event in general for the church christian life of ukraine, i would even say that it is important not only for church and christian life, it is important for social and political life you know the fact that there is a kind of de-occupation in the center of kyiv because, unfortunately, well, it is a self-recognition that the

kiev-pechersk lavra was the center of the russian peace in kyiv, in the capital, in the capital of ukraine , for a long, long time, hundreds of years, and even after the declaration of independence in 1991 a year ago, i think that this is a truly turning point, if we talk about the events connected with the strengthening of the independent ukrainian church, you know, these events are also similar in political history to what happened in 1991 , because ukraine lost its independence in the 91st year, it was restored, but on it's a pity for the church, in church matters, she maintained this dependence, this dependence that lasted for hundreds of years, and what is happening now is finally getting rid of these centuries-old fetters, which were certainly not only religious. well, we perfectly understand that this organization, which is stubborn does not want to call itself with its own name, the russian orthodox church in ukraine is hiding under the brand ukrainian orthodox

church that this organization, unfortunately, was and still is an instrument of at least some kind of informational and political influence there of russia, but in many cases, as we saw in the 22nd year, even directly as an instrument of some kind of information about the movement of troops about ukrainian activists, that is, these are open actikoloprazism that have taken place in recent months, literally today the security service of ukraine publishes the next results of its work in some ukrainian regions programs of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate there and, accordingly, about the kremlin literature, there is evidence that in some regions in kherson, in particular, they helped the occupiers even some agitations opzzh but eh finally the security service of ukraine started to do it because let me remind you that back in august we seem to have assembled a special committee, committee hearings were held in the humanitarian information policy committee where representatives of the security service simply did not show any information about the number of acts of collaboration about

the cases opened by the commercial institution on the part of the russian orthodox church was not provided, considering that this information is allegedly secret, although the deputy can absolutely work with stable information now indeed, at least sometime since the fall of last year, we have i hope that there has really been a turning point and we are witnessing very correct actions by the security service of ukraine in relation to this structure, which is really a source of danger for the country, so that these were really substantiated. we continued that all these proceedings were accordingly registered and the investigation was carried out. and so on and so forth, i want to note that the kiev-pechersk lavra is not only a religious cult object, it is also our cultural heritage, without exaggeration , history, culture, and here is the cathedral and the church the kiev-pechersk lavra was officially returned to the state. at the same time, by the way, our cultural heritage, which, in addition to this , also suffered from such management by the russian orthodox church,

there were many scandals about the fact that the national monument is suffering from some attempts to rebuild something. -e to paint and so on and so on. that is, in addition to this, it was also causing literal physical damage to our national cultural heritage. it is possible to do something, but there was news that the uoc mp declared that the primate of the orthodox church of ukraine, metropolitan epiphanius, does not have permission for the previously announced divine service in the lavra on january 7. oleksandr rudnyka stated that no appeals about the use of the dormition cathedral and the trapezium church for religious services were received from the ptu. it is purely an organizational moment. to find out whether the

orthodox church of ukraine should actually ask for a permit or some kind of notification that they will hold a divine service tomorrow, it is necessary to ask some experts. it was done in order to stress the situation in society. that is why they understand its role perfectly and will continue to perform it in order to realize what it is for they were created, that is, once again, it is extremely important for us to understand that we are not talking about an exclusively religious organization , we are talking about a very politicized organization, which, of all the organizations currently operating in ukraine , probably has the closest ties with russia, so i read you, what is this oleksandr rudyk is only the general director. maybe he just wants to become a full-fledged director, but some directors in this situation also publicize themselves and create a problem. you know, the problem is that this

situation was launched not only the sense is that not only the security service of ukraine has been neglected, but the ministry of culture has been named as the ministry of culture, which should have clearly put things in order a long time ago with lease agreements with those who are located on the territory of the kyiv-pechersk lavra , what are they doing there, well, literally. until recent months, the ministry of culture was even afraid touch on this topic, i want to quote this mr. oleksandr rudyk here in the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate even provides a video and a quote neither an official address nor an unofficial i did not receive any orders from the police regarding this, as of now, and it is the evening of the fifth of january, and i am baptized in order to emphasize the truthfulness of my actions on any show . generator. accordingly, it is difficult for me to blame, but i will not

personalize it, but i perfectly understand and know that during the 30-plus years of ukraine's independence, uh, all the structures that were connected on behalf of the state with uh, the kyiv-pechersk lavra were really permeated by those people who they supported the russian orthodox church very carefully. they took care of this to the point that they actually had their own proteges at the head of the state committee for religion, as it was once called, reserve politics and so on, that is, the russian orthodox church provided its members very well in case any such and such problems, therefore, i will not be surprised if you find out that, in particular, in the management of the reserve there are those people who will do it depending on them in order to continue to support the russian orthodox church volodymyr, we just read some information here from different sources about the fact that various provocations are being prepared in the occupied territories, in orthodox christian churches, i simply do not rule out that it is possible that such provocations are being prepared in the

capitals, not only in the capitals, and therefore on the seventh, it seems to me it's not so calm in the kiev-pechersk lavra. i thought it's quite possible that now there's one more day to do before that. well, i think there should be decisive action on the part of the security service. clearly the position of the ministry of culture, uh, we are talking about state property, first of all, it is obvious that the decisive role here should not even be the reserve, but still the ministry of culture, especially considering that we will appoint a political one, let's note this issue. i think from the side of the ukrainians. i think that everyone who has the possibility of all of this is determined by ideological e january 7, christmas on january 7-7 is a good opportunity to take part in historical events. i think it would be quite good if the president of the country and the prime minister, the chairman of the parliament and it added peace and stability and security to these people in this gathering, things, uh, in

accordance with the attitudes of the ppu petriv, but it is possible to put a good opportunity on samchyk somewhere nearby, in fact, uh, mr. yatrovych, another question . the fact is that not the kyiv-pechersk lavra the only one is that we have two more large-scale religious objects that are actually in the hands and in the use of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate de facto rpc although they do not want to be renamed, their wishes in this case do not matter taking into account the fact that the constitutional court recognized as a constitutional law that was adopted in 2018-2019, it can be confusing now, and so they must either re-register under a new name or, er, they must actually be deregistered, and here again there will be another point of reference which will show how seriously the current government is taking

to fight this structure, because if there are no legal steps after the constitutional law, the constitutional court recognized this law as constitutional and will allow the existence of a church that itself calls the ukrainian orthodox church, it is obvious that, unfortunately, it will be possible to state that these are just some games, and around this, there are now all the possibilities of the justice authorities to deregister this structure as such , which does not comply with the law in force in ukraine . and about other lavras, too now they are under the control of the russian orthodox church in ukraine, but there are different options for the development of events , and it seems that it is about the fact that the pochaiv lavra can be. well, at least the ukrainian greek catholic church can claim it church, do you know anything about these er, these opportunities? i think that you know, such questions should be resolved at the level of the leadership of the

ukrainian orthodox church of the ukrainian greek catholic church. it is very important that er, none of the politicians try to stir up any misunderstandings about what we ourselves think of as ukrainians. by churches and how do you assess the current level of dialogue between the ugcc and the ptu? it seems to me that it is not bad. it seems to me that these are two churches that are getting closer. i think that it is very good that both churches are led by enough people they are young, they are big, they are adequate, they are already well educated, they still have great prospects ahead , may god give them health, and in principle, they already have the opportunity, being in such an important position, to continue this work on the rapprochement of the two churches, a job that will probably take a long time what are we talking about, again, about the centuries-old history of the greek catholic church and the orthodox church of ukraine, but those

immediate events that are taking place, you know, somewhere on the maidans, on the fronts of this war. well, they are already bringing each other together. on the blue maidan actually. these two churches were with the people. remember who are now the most active chaplains in this war again. these two churches, that is, the objective circumstances before the maximum convergence are there. what will they spill again? i am not a specialist in church affairs, but obviously i would i wanted the position of these two churches to be as agreed as possible on some fundamental issues for ukraine, maybe now i will say something unpleasant on the air, but i must note that if we are talking about working with civilian people people in the territory adjacent to the contact line, this is in the east of our country, then i can absolutely responsibly state that because it takes care of public organizations that are engaged in volunteering there, they help civilians that, er, the ukrainian greek catholic church and

the orthodox church of ukraine are somewhat lacking there, that is, now the same a historical moment when you can go to these people who for a long time were under the influence of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate with all the resulting consequences and now, this moment when you can talk to them, you can actually appeal to some positions and well, for example, these people to themselves, those ukrainian churches are not missing there by chance, because there was a purposeful policy , including with the support of the state authorities, not to let these churches there until very recently. remember how purposefully through the president's office the process was slowed down from 2019 . stopped because after the adoption of the tomos, well, it gained more and more momentum, then the political changes that took place in ukraine in 2019, and this process suddenly began

to stop, so i am convinced that if there are no artificial obstacles, in particular , with the participation state authorities for the activities of these two ukrainian churches, they will be there because really, i absolutely agree with you, the request for this is a huge field for the opportunity to work in the religious, social, and charitable spheres, it is incredible uhu mr. volodymyr well, and the member of the committee on humanitarian and information policy, if we take in general not the tsar of religion, but the tsar of information and the humanitarian tsar, as far as we are now generally working effectively, not even with those territories that have been captured by the enemy for a long time since the 14th year, but with these are the territories of kherson zaporozhye kharkiv oblast, to what extent are the people there informed about what is happening on the battlefield, what is happening in ukraine with our international support, because before chernihiv sumy, kyiv oblast there were many stories that people there in the kharkiv region generally told them that kyiv had already been

taken and that ukraine had already capitulated and they lived with it there for several months, the same is happening now in the kherson zaporizhzhia region, people do not know what is happening in the world, what is really happening, they watch russian channels, russian radio, ukrainian ukrainian mass media are not there, i don't know why, as far as there is no technical possibility, no radio, there is some kind of connection, they are allegedly trying to see what kind of video i see, i don't know what you were viewing on on facebook, even in ukrainian transcarpathia, where a person turned on an fm station and switched to six or seven stations, and all of them were hungarian-language stations in the city of mukachevo, with all due respect to hungarians, to the hungarian language, to hungarian stations, but ukraine should have its own information broadcasting, especially in the conditions of war and it seems to me that in this direction who is responsible for this who is responsible for this in the country oleksandr tkachenko well, i would not say that he is now the leader of this direction of information

informing who should be responsible now speaking about the work of our committee, i will finish the topic of church history, because our committee actually supported the bill of mykola knyazhytskyi, who is the author of the bill on the banning of the russian orthodox church, the bill of mrs. kosankevich, that is, unfortunately, they have not yet been voted on in other words, this also calls into question the extent to which there is determination to fight against this church . so when we see these draft laws in the given order and we vote for them , then we can talk about irreversibility this policy of limiting the influence of the russian orthodox church, now talking about this information work is actually a problem. it seems to me that despite the fact that we have a whole ministry of culture and information policy, a purposeful information policy, where an important element would be precisely this information, either of the occupied territories or those adjacent to the line front of the territory, we actually do not have it, unfortunately, there is none, instead , the information policy is focused on some

things related to well, we will answer frankly with the pr of this government, look at what this marathon has changed, the only news is, look what has changed, the parliamentary tv channel rada, where the face of the year 2022, 2022 wars is kyrylo tymoshenko , an incredible face, who has done a lot, for sure there will be kiriyenko, too, there are some faces of the year, why does kiriyenko have any relation to the tv channel, rada, as from speaker ok kornii, please. yes, it has some relation to the work of the parliament, which should be reported by the rada tv channel. and why is kyrylo tymoshenko the face of the year because he likes good, expensive cars, not his cars, that is the houses of others are loved by developers. so now to stand on the back of unified news and the marathon , the point is that they, this project consists of several tv channels. well, such

complimentary rhetoric towards the representatives of the president's office, as a rule, but there are journalists who ask critical questions and thank you to colleagues from ictv who were not ashamed and asked mr. tymoshenko why are you there ? why are there local authorities? why do you go there? what depends on you? what do you take there? what is the most important thing? some kind of informing, even operationally , very important information, even some kind of presentation of some information that is important for those people who are in the conflict zone next to the conflict zone, in order to find out what is being done on the front line, people should look for some channels in the telegram i apologize it 's very dangerous there are a bunch of anonymous scumbags a bunch of absolutely real these ipso and er this is exactly the kind of not well-thought-out state policy it

ultimately leads to the fact that these and everything work er as regards some literally infrastructure issues again. well, i don’t see in the budget for 2023 any kind of activity aimed at actually physically installing those towers for broadcasting on the territories that are currently under russian occupation, considering that the russian occupation is accompanied by destruction of this information infrastructure, it is obvious that one of our main tasks is the reconstruction of this information to create this video with a concert solemn in this single life intended for information and not for entertainment several billions per single marathon and once again a huge amount of money for the tv channel rada, who is afraid to tell what is being done in this council oleksiy, we are joined by the head of the committee of voters of ukraine oleksiy good morning you probably heard our conversation, we finished about information, our independence, information

security, information hygiene. how do you evaluate the actions of the ukrainian authorities in this area, in this area, in the area of ​​informing ukrainians not only here, but also those who are now in the temporarily occupied territories and do not even know the time what is actually happening on the front line in kyiv, well, in general, in the world in ukraine, i am asking you to speak, i can hear your conversation very well in the previous few minutes when this issue was discussed, and i also believe that the risks, the risks for ukrainians have increased significantly in recent months, while maintaining a single information marathon , i.e. if in the first months of the war the creation of such a telethon was obviously justified , then in the last months we really saw a sharp increase in the popularity of telegram channels, moreover, i came across surveys authoritative sociological structures that indicate that the majority of ukrainian citizens receive information from anonymous tv channels, this is

not a problem. this is a catastrophe. for us, it is simply a catastrophe because out of the first hundred most popular telegram channels, 10% of them are russian , every tenth channel is the work of the fsb and we will receive information from there shargiv and other nonsense, therefore the question of returning to the usual mode of broadcasting is not a question of who made a mistake in power, it is necessary to correct the mistakes now and give our citizens reliable sources of information these are very serious things, this is a matter of national security. well, let’s continue about pro-russian forces. in ukraine, the electoral committee calls on the verkhovna rada to adopt a series of decisions that will significantly limit the influence on e and block the work of pro-russian forces in ukraine, according to the assessment that, as of today, representatives of pro-russian forces actually maintain its influence on the activities of the supreme council, well, in particular, the process is evidenced by the presence of deputies from banned parties in leadership positions in parliamentary committees, well, in particular

, nestotshot heads our profile committee, but you know, i won't name the last name, but i'm talking there, there are three people left in this committee, ok, two more meetings, that's all. and i'm talking there with representatives of the people's voice party , my colleagues, friends, and close friends who tell me yehor shufrych is such a guy, you definitely understand that what a guy, it's a shame again that the tv channel rada does not fulfill its functions and does not broadcast or at least records of the meetings of the verkhovna rada, you would have heard about the new neophyte of europe, nestor shufrovych, who every speech talks about the wonderful policy of the president who is directing us to europe, actually you know me, excuse me for such a word, it’s just all this imitation of the alleged fight on the part of the russians with the opzzh, which has nothing to do with reality, because until now the committee is really headed by nestor shufri in order to he must be removed, in total 226 votes, the servants have about 24 votes, so far we have not

deprived viktor medvedchuk of his mandate, and we have been witnessing the news for a whole week that the representative of the servant of the people party, oleg dunda collects some signatures, as if in order to deprive the representatives of the ozj party of their mandates. listen, in order to consider the draft laws he is talking about, the only thing is that the representatives of the servants of the people party simply want to include them in the agenda. the agenda is formed at the conciliation council headed by a representative and guess which one the speaker of the party is a servant of the people , that is, i'm sorry, this is a divorce, which is simply brutal. unfortunately, the authorities are not going to get rid of the police officers in the parliament, they are very convenient partners for the authorities in the parliament the most scandalous bills are passed precisely by the core of the servants of the people, plus the people's assembly - a bill that was lobbied by developers , the last scandalous bill at the end

of last year 2022 was not passed without votes from the people's assembly, therefore the assembly is actually very necessary in the games, the servants of the people in this parliament in 10 months, the government having all the powers and all the possibilities they did nothing to deprive these deputies of their powers , it was possible to start already in the end some criminal prosecutions could already be considered by the courts for treason of one or another deputies, it was possible to record the fact that a large number of mps of the people's republic of ukraine found themselves abroad as of the 24th, this has not been done. it could have been recorded that some of them do not actually have ukrainian citizenship. this has not actually been done either. thank you, mr. oleksiy chi have you received any response to your appeal to the verkhovna rada, please ? we haven't received a response, but we still have a lot of time. i want to see the reaction of the leaders of the faction, because the problem is much broader than we say. well, the first statement about the unconstitutionality of the draft law that

provides for taking away the mandates, these are quite conditional things, because there is no discussion in the parliament, no one is considering either at the level of the specialized committee or in other platforms, no one is considering a legislative decision that could take away the mandates of mps, such decisions can be they may be on the verge, but if you weigh the pros and cons, i think that such a format should be looked for question number two, everyone forgot about what the cabinet of ministers emphasized months ago 7 months ago submitted a bill that provides for the possibility of taking away the mandates of deputies of local councils from pro-russian parties, and that is why today there are deputies in odesa, kherson oblasts, other oblasts. and eastern regions, a third more even deputies of pro-russian

parties in such cities as slovyansk, a border town, a special city in slovyansk, more than half of the deputies are deputies of pro-russian parties, cabinet ministers submit a bill, the reaction is zero , and i get the impression that the bill is simply being blocked. next, we need to develop legislative decisions and adopt them regarding the ban on the candidacy of representatives of pro-russian parties. well, for example, deputies of various levels, leaders of russian parties, starting from the 14th year, for a certain number of election cycles , a ban on running for office should have been established for them, and believe me, this is a much more important issue than before shufrych until the end of his of the term it is certain that the deputy in the parliament or not, we have to clear up the issue for the future, but now, really, now, well, you

say to wait for the decision, the reaction of the faction, there is already a reaction of the faction . appealed in some high conceptual court, therefore, it is right that it is right in general, but in time it can take decades in the conditions of ukrainian reality, the issue is several weeks , the platform, the working group of representatives of the faction groups of deputies and we are quickly working out a draft decision, we see that even among the servants of the people there will be a part of the votes that will vote against the removal of the mandates of the mps of the national assembly. i think 226 votes - this will not be a problem in the parliamentary hall, but now the question, as for me, is simply blocked , it is convenient for him it is convenient to build a pr campaign, let's say dunda now fights with the servants of the people, instead of going to his native phrase with the votes of

opzzh, what is the way out? it is necessary to do what colleagues say, it is necessary for law enforcement agencies to act because unfortunately what is being done now is really an imitation and our task is obviously this information society what is an imitation uh what is reality because yes according to this imitation well , the easiest thing is to do nothing, but let 's pretend that some 150 signatures collected under some letter will get rid of the deputies, the opozreponozhitsa lies, that won't happen. ana, well, well, there's one minute left, we had an argument yesterday in the team. yes, not quite up to the time and place, but when the next parliamentary elections are in the 23rd year or in the 24th, is the issue already closed or not? closing this issue was put on pause was actually a full-scale war, but it must be understood that there will be no elections for the time being the war

will be martial law for the time being, and it seems to me that the representatives of the government do not want to understand this, in particular, who consider many of the things that we talked about with you today, even today , er, they plan only from the perspective of the elections now, not before the elections now we must win, we must win about this war, and not think about who to promote once again through this or that tv channel, which instead of promoting should simply convey information that would make us stronger and allow us to win, let us win in the shadows. thank you, volodymyr vyatrovych, people's deputy of ukraine was with us in the studio and oleksiy kozhul, the head of the committee of voters of ukraine, was in touch in the studio . oleksiy, thank you for your expert opinion. ready to present to present an updated information release to colleagues words thank you for your work the news team continues to work on the most important in a few moments we will start with kherson oblast