i am a monument to bohdan khmelnytskyi, who for us today is the personification of ukrainian statehood, the cossack e-e protection of our country, the president presents the orders of bohdan khmelnytskyi and so on, but this monument , this monument was created on the initiative of yosefovich maloros, who had a different idea and other representatives and he had an idea about khmelnytskyi and an idea about khmelnytskyi, why is that mace aimed at moscow, is he saying that we should go there, is he threatening to go to moscow, that is, these interpretive things continue to remain with by us and without this completeness of the representation of this history , without this honesty in relation to who we are, we will not understand ourselves today. and if we do not understand ourselves today, this is already a much greater crime than simply not understanding history, it means that we will misunderstand

our trajectory and we we do not correctly plan our steps for tomorrow and not the day after tomorrow. so here there is a dialectical relationship between e.e. history as a science and the completeness of this science and the mythological way of thinking of society, but you understand that in the situation in which we are, i no longer i am talking about the situation of crimes in russia, these bombings killed rape, this, this, that, which became the facts of this war, but i would also say in the atmosphere of disappointment in russia, in all russian people, for whom, for a decade, russian culture, language and history, by the way, were the air they breathed and those people now it is also clear. they are trying to distance themselves from all

this. today and now this is absolutely clear i.e. imagine a person who is undergoing an operation and they took off the painkiller and started talking about what is right and what is wrong in this body i.e. this is us now we are now society what is the situation in the situation survival, but these processes end and end, and everything will take its own time. i absolutely agree with you , and the time will also come to look at how we ended up where we ended up and what is with us and remains with us despite the fact that we can it is somehow to block it and say that we do not have it, it is there, it must be understood, it must be spoken, er, it has been spoken

, not today, but it is very important here to press the pause button and not the delete button. and tell me, sir sergius said that over the course of 100 years, russia created a historical narrative for ukraine, including at a historical meeting for ukraine itself, and there may be a situation when in the future ukraine will create certain historical narratives for russia itself, at least regarding the perception of ukraine by and large, poland can create a historical nation in poland, which is listened to by the russians. finland can create a historical national nation in finland, which is listened to by the russians. even 50-60 years ago

, all this practically did not exist. which historical national narrative is not only its acceptance and perception or imposition with the help of propaganda inside the country, but it is also its recognition by its neighbors, that is, or by the world community and for that in order for a russian or any ukrainian or any other nation to meet these requirements and be recognized by its neighbors, it must be in vkontakte dialogues with these neighbors and with those narratives that are created there, that is, can poland write a narrative for russia and in fact it will become russian no, but can the russian merits function normally for a longer period of time without taking into account how russia is viewed by ukraine, pushcha, and so on, and so on

, and not enter into a war in a conflict with these neighbors, no, that is, he has to, he has to take it and should listen to this and another historical historical well, let's say a precedent er problem and issues can also be a tragedy of ukraine in the fact that this narrative of the great russian nation was created by ukrainians for russians , they created it in kyiv in kiev-grave- i apologize in er kiev- lavry of pechersk was called a synopsis because it was published in 1674 under the guidance of the archimandrite of the lavry innokenty of gizer, it was transmitted a large number of times and became the first printed textbook of russian history of the entire russian empire of the 18th century . mykhailo mykhailo lomonosov was a reader, supporter and popularizer, and this narrative was

put forward by kyiv that the center of russian history is partially experienced by us, that is, we pay according to the bills of the 17th century, according to the bills of the sleeve, and this probably also imposes on us the historical responsibility that we have to rewrite the russian history once again offer them a different history, a different vision, a different way of thinking, with kyiv no longer at the center of this story , but with kyiv as the center of a separate state of consciousness, culture, identity, if on civilization, his latest articles for the magazine prostospectey, the former secretary of state of the united states, gen. joe senger, called ukraine the most influential country in central europe. this is the first time in my memory that ukraine is called a central european country, you now perceive ukraine as a part of central europe,

serhii, i perceive ukraine as a part of central europe, but it all depends on which map we put on which map, that is, over the past few months, ukraine has become a central european and european state in many respects from the formal application for membership of the european union to the fact that we are probably the most nato -integrated country in the world, even compared to nato countries, because they all still fight with their national standard, we have mastered the standards of many, many nato countries that is , this is what happened and what kissinger actually records today. what kissinger

says is extremely important because it speaks not only about his personal evolution, where for him when he wrote about the end of the soviet union. in fact, this is a person who thinks in terms of the standards of the great powers and the policy of the great powers of the balance of power in this world and so on, all these small countries, even such as poland, not to mention ukraine , only caused some kind of irritation in the messenger and his parts , that is, they confused the big big game big picture close-ups what kissinger is saying today this means that extremely important processes of rethinking have taken place in the world and for this rethinking there is only one reason, that is ukraine, the ukrainian people and the ukrainian opposition ukraine will remain a frontier country, in fact a country on the border between worlds and civilizations, still hopes that one day this european democratic

civilization can expand to the east , it is difficult to say now, but many have always had such a dream, ukraine will remain on the border but there are various different ideas about the border , i.e. from the franchisor to the borderline to the front line ukraine was located throughout most of its history as an independent state in the syria zone and that this war does it actually bring about the elimination of gray areas in europe in the center or in the east of europe, it does not only apply to ukraine - it only applies to moldova, to a certain extent we can talk about belarus because there were also corresponding hopes, this war will actually lead to uh, the chances are extremely high that it

will actually lead to some form of reproduction of the iron iron curtain, the iron curtain is a situation in which the gray areas do not exist or almost do not exist, well, that is, there was finland, there was yugoslavia, but in principle the symbol of this of the iron curtain is the berlin wall and this is one of the consequences of the war as i see it , the disappearance of these gray zones and the discovery of ukraine clearly on the western side of this new border that will be formed, this border situation is much more, let's say, safe, much more more productive for ukraine than that existence in a hole in that series of geopolitical zones that existed until today . so, then ukraine will really become the gateway

to europe from your book. only not only fortresses, that is, gates open and gates close, and what i see for the future is such a closed gate , but my metaphor is again related to the fact that gates open and close , for me it is extremely important who makes the decision or this the gate is closed and opened by ukrainians and we open or close it taking into account our own ideas of what should happen or are we being manipulated by someone else. that is, this is even the most and even more important question for me than whether or not

closed today open or open completely for cultural social social and so on contacts are you sure that ukrainians already have this key in their hands, it is, it is, well, in fact, what is happening today in ukraine and in the world, there is only one reason for this, for these events and this is, er, it may sound pathetically pathetic and so on, but these are processes taking place in ukraine, this is the will of the ukrainian people, that is, they absolutely waved their hands at us in 2013, when yanukovych refused to sign the association's working conditions with the european union, with the silence of

the united states of america, europe pushed us as much as it could to sign - to actually implement the minsk agreements according to steinmeier's formula. europe, the world, was in no hurry to help us militarily and so on before the war. knew how the ukrainian people would behave, the ukrainian government, the ukrainian president, the ukrainian army, which few people knew about, what we do changes not only our lives, it changes the world as a whole, and again it may sound hmm, too pathetic, but i simply can't find other words to describe the processes that have been taking place over the past 10 months. thank you, mr.

serhii. historical, however, you can say so in the good sense of the word, because historians, i think, also need positive events, just like us journalists of ukraine, join in these wishes and p vitaliy for you and for the audience of listeners thank you and you, dear viewers congratulations on the new year and christmas holidays . first of all, i want to wish you a peaceful year, it is important for all of us, only you are the best glue, i found a working store in three letters, it

is closed, there is no light for me, please, this bouquet is lucky we have it and it does not disappear so here is the generator on the street humming ukrainian veterans the background is money and it sounds special for each of us, because confidence in the presence of god nearby and praying to him support the spirit of our defenders of our entire people and bring the victory of the truth and the events of the nativity of christ closer teaches us that the truth will win, but it is necessary to fight. the son of god defeated evil, proving that there can be no unity between darkness and light. happy and good cannot peacefully coexist. true peace can only be achieved by

defeating evil. today, the warmest prayers and wishes are heard for the newest heroes, our defenders who defend us. at the cost of our own lives, i believe that we won the victory as soon as possible, and the long-awaited peace came for ukraine, and with it all our compatriots returned to their homes, so that the joy of christmas filled our hearts of love for god and neighbors, inspiring endurance and resilience in the fight against evil christ was born, let's praise him through the field through the grove , nicholas is hurrying in his bag, he brings us gifts, tanks, javelins, planes and mines , guns and cartridges, rockets and drones, nicholas is in a hurry, tour the road, give the ukrainians a complete victory, merry christmas happy new year

ladies and gentlemen my name is mykola veresen and today we are selling an hour here in the lviv national gallery of art and we will talk with the director taras vozniak. quite a legendary personality in ukraine, i didn't even think that he should be introduced, among other things, he also has a relationship with the magazine , and no two dots here, this is such a nationalist magazine, because for russians any letter with dashes is a sign of nationalism, which turns it into europeanism and so on, in short, something hostile. and that means friendly for us, for ukrainians, so you mean it . taras wozniak is well-known in ukraine and

abroad , a cultural expert and a political scientist. and enlightenment after studying at the lviv polytechnic, he joined the army, there he began to translate the works of world-famous philosophers, after demobilization he became an activist of the democratic movement, in particular, he was a co-organizer of the strike at the lviv milling machine plant, where he worked at the time, at the same time he organized the release of self -published cultural literature, later the idea of ​​creating an independent magazine , the first issue of the magazine was published in 1989. taras wozniak has been its editor and publisher all this time. the first five issues were produced as photocopies are made in vilnius, then the edition is transported to lviv, where it has been brochured and distributed throughout ukraine since 1995. the publication received official registration for a century of its activity. food magazine became a cult

publication of lviv and transformed into an influential public organization and analytical center . multiculturalism and european integration between ethnic relations and reconstructs the polish jewish and armenian cultural landscapes of the region since 2010. of the international council for the protection of monuments and historic cities, and from 2016 until now , the general director of the lviv national gallery under which pidhoretskyi oleskyi zolochivskyi castles and several museums. this is how he has a number of international and domestic honors, in particular, in 2021 he became a laureate of the vasyl stus award thank you for finding the time. thank you very much. and we have

really known each other for a long time. the high-artist says, why are you bored with politics, or is art more interesting, or is art eternal? we often try to separate politics and art, are they two different things, and so on ? the reason for the russian war against ukraine was the lack of work in the field of culture, that is, language is not necessary. okay, now we are coming to you, we are knocking on the door of our religion. you do not need it. okay, we are coming to you.

it will be, let it be relative, yes, let's move on, eh, these are our realities , if we neglect the cultural context, then war will come to us . it's not completely true, i think it's not true at all, it's not true at all, it's not true at all, it's another matter that we need to change the discussion in a different way with people, er, talk to people ok, then the question is the first one is such and such a p taras about you and the second about that one the house of the portuguese where we are we are and if it seems to me it's natural eyes these are the ones we learn gradually in english, all because it's so easy to say blakalt so how does it

affect and does it affect the pictures or does it affect the preservation when there is no light maybe there is no heating what you have a special relationship with the state, the state, you and your counterpart in kyiv , in odesa, somewhere else, if it gives the opportunity to maintain all these collections to have such a temperature that these collections need, well , look, for some reason we think that this is a war it really started on february 24, in fact it has already been 8 years. we all know that the war has been going on for the ninth year and there are certain documents that regulate what do you call the temperature regime, the humidity regime, the preparation for evacuation or the preparation for moving things from the exposition somewhere in some kind of spare parts, it already existed and was worked out or something in the 14th year. well, very often journalists want yes. and here are these hammers. show me

under which village. is it under the cornflower or in a row? show it literally, i will show it on television. that the same applies the same applies to this world in art where these things are love like in the bank money likes silence where is it what is it where are they moving sometimes i can say what things are after the fact speak then when already as the industrious says when the operator has already taken place near kharkov, we put it there under kherson, after that he says now i can say with great pleasure that the main main body of the most valuable things that are in our lviv national art gallery is already abroad and they will be there. well about for about a year they had already moved by that time until they were still here fenced off

rockets not rockets fiftieth foundations basements we didn't have to talk about it no, well , this is bad news for me because i came here by chance to take an interview but to steal ru benz urumi they say that now nothing works out, i served in a freelance job, what kind of life is this, i don't even know, well, since we are a magazine with two dots, we are actually something such a question can be asked it is the dream of ukrainian journalists to ask one question at the beginning of an interview and fall asleep that's how i am now i will ask a question, but i will not fall asleep, but it seems to me that this is an important question, considering that this magazine is intellectual with a claim, at least precisely, and there is history and culture and literature and sociology to a certain extent and so on and so on, and it comes out from time to time with

some 89- a year or a year, and from time to time i will simply explain to the audience that it comes out when there is an opportunity, not when, that is, it is not regular, it is not a magazine that is published monthly or every six months or quarterly, but there is money, inspiration , information that the editors want to share then it turns out, but still, reading this magazine, you perceive the world, and the magazine has a lot of actions. especially worldwide or worldwide european . our friend is deceased, unfortunately sashko kryvenko, who will tell you what you discovered? by the way, kryvenko was one of the parents of this magazine,

because the magazine is published first. as he published it himself and it was published in vilnius, uh, he messed around from there the former ex-ambassador of lithuania pyateros voytikunas eh, so he had such a device here in lviv, even kyiv, and wasn't it? wasn't that device called a photocopier, and this photocopier was used to make this magazine? to do this together, because there was already such a thaw in the institute of physics in vilnius, so he was. you know, well, it's such a thing, but going back , the main conclusion is that you need to think constantly. the 100th anniversary in 2014 of the centenary of the first world war and, uh, i'm thinking about the first world war, the second world war, and now the

cold war is actually starting. the war or the war, there was a group of young people who were dissatisfied, there were some 14th, 13th year of dissatisfaction of young nations, the german nation is being created and here it is, the redistribution of the world of the empire, africa has not yet been divided, asia is good, the first world war after that they oppress this same germany they drive her to this weimar republic, discontentment, resentment as a result, the spring moves to the other side world war ii again they squeezed someone there er, the soviet union squeezed er, free free nations in the european union means the cold war er, after the collapse of the soviet union, the collapse of the soviet union again again, russia is dissatisfied. yes , germany in the 30s was very similar people. we became this russian-ukrainian war and not only the russian-ukrainian russian-georgian war there. well, and so on. and so on, this war

stretches in the consequences, this spring has been compressed and unzipped for 100 more than 100 years, and in fact this is the war that is happening now in ukraine is a natural result of the first world war, not by analogy, but simply as 1 + 1, well, it means a logical logical consequence. unfortunately, because we there is no way we can arrange the world so that it would be more than once you think that these are national problems and not social ones, why am i asking this because when you already started talking about the first world war , its transition to the second and so on and so on what i saw was just recently read and there somehow the names of the tyrants of the first half of the 20th century, they are so simple one after the other and i thought oh yes, they are all the russian-speaking people are called raznochintsi, that is, the aristocracy

came hitlers mussolini nobody stalins some mao who are you primary yes you who are you who are you what do you have here before it was clear who are you i played so and so i have 40 families 40 generations generations and i am that's why i'm here yes and all of them yes yes indeed well 40 is a number and now people like you have come where did these people blow up from? system well, i am not a monarchist, of course, because it was not the wrong time, but the tradition of the monarchy was a certain certain element that stabilized the development of the historical many, grandfather, father, son, and so on, and in principle it was kept on the eye and on this, on this skewer, it was all kept and when they came, as you say now, the criminals in russian, but in fact i will tear people, that is, people,

nobody and from nowhere, it became ortega and gazet ortega and gasset said that then that we were in the 30s in the book riot of the masses that, well, before, well, it was somehow like that such an articulate society where everything was regulated. here are the portraits hanging, eh, they regulated this world, by the way , the minister of internal affairs, eh, of the austrian empire played at the manfred stadium, so and so. the people came to a word and broke through in 1917 in russia the people broke through in the 33rd year in germany the people roared somewhere in iran in the year 79 and