that was not the case in germany. this is really marginal, marginal people, and i don't think there is any need to exaggerate this incident , well, this is happening, it was a shock for germany , what could it be, but on the other hand, well, it's not, i would say, not quite a political phenomenon - it 's just such marginal, rather subcultural phenomena, but what borel said about what i will quote at the same time a radical trial is taking place in our countries, the extreme right is getting stronger and this is the choice of the people, and how far is it true and how far it is threatening or is it within the limits of such a normal democracy in europe, well, now there really is such a wave, a new wave of the right of radicalism and these parties even sometimes enter into governments and they have today

relatively strong positions, but as a rule, when they then enter the government, they are more moderate, and then partially. they even change their ideology, hmm. i can’t say yet whether this is really such a fundamental, fundamental change in european politics, it really is now the wave is like that, but we'll say you talked about there austria, and before we also had such a wave in austria, and when there, well, these right-wing radicals had very strong positions, then it will be less and, probably, it will also be a wave now, and in a couple of years there will be less of it , but now it is indeed, in some ways

, the situation is dangerous because of the failed putsch, so to speak , about which we started, ah, are russia’s ears really sticking out after these strange people? how did you call them urban lunatics ? history these people they wanted to have a connection with russia and some contacts with russia and there seems to have been a certain certain contact with such a strange, even in the russian context, strange deputy fedorov eh of the state duma eh who eh in the tsilijsbergers eh imperial citizens had some eh contact but well, we still have to wait until the research of all this turns out. i think it would be for russia. well, not quite useful

partners, because russia is more trying to influence political extremes , such as in austria, so to speak it turns out successfully, but it’s too mar group of this res burgers, that’s why i’m not sure if there really was some kind of agency there or a secret operation there, you probably know this story about how parcels with such a strange and such a strange filling were sent to the ukrainian embassies in europe various animals carved into cows, you look like pigs, and those packages were sent to probably more than a dozen ukrainian embassies throughout europe. who do you think could be behind this? who is capable of such game, well, it really could be

what kind of russian special operation is there, i don’t rule it out, well, it’s also a bit pathetic , such an operation, eh. well, eh, it’s hard for me to say. it’s probably some other people who think there’s something, but here there really could be some eh, russian agent, cheers for this in the context of this, we cannot help but ask about a topic that we constantly discuss in our information space, the hungarian factor and the urban factor, which raises a lot of questions from ukrainians, why is this the case on the territory of the eu, maybe, but how do you see today's impact on orban on on the position of such an objective and general position of the european union in relation to ukraine , whether it is possible to shake it or

vice versa. the eu has already found the tools of influence and taming this openly pro-russian politician. well, this is really such a very sad development in hungary, which was once one of of the first countries that left the soviet bloc. i think so, alexander probably knows even more about hungary than i do, because he lived a long time in austria and probably followed hungarian politics, but now this is really the case in the european it is very strange for the union if hungary were not already a member of nato and the european union, of course it would not be able to join either, i think, neither in the european union nor in nato, but it is now a member of both the european

union and nato and is simply dealing with such a load of both internal and external affairs of the european union and partly also nato, but it is rather obliged again. i think with the internal affairs of hungary there is now an authoritarian regime and therefore orbán has a conflict with the european union and he uses these ukrainian issues for in order to put pressure on the european union, but for example, now it seems that the european union has found a solution to this problem and is helping ukraine by the fact that this decision has now been made, if not by the european union, but by the 26 countries of the euro, the 207 countries of the european union

, that is, this money and support for ukraine, they will be ukraine and er. it will simply be without hungary. i think these conflicts will continue and this is certain, in a certain way, this is really a problem for ukraine. thank you very much, mr. andreasomlante, he was in touch with us an analyst at the stockholm center for the study of eastern europe, and now we thank you for the wonderful ukrainian language, how did panula communicate with us, oleksandr so, we talked a little about hungary, and mulan says that this is your area of ​​expertise, so let's move on to you and i want to ask you, we see of course what what is happening is that hungary has formed such an internal opposition within the european union that it trades there continuously for some of its own interests, trading financing that the european union

freezes from time to time for completely different reasons related to ukraine and instead blocks aid to ukraine. thus, blackmailing europe in order to unblock its own aid to itself. so i want to ask if the position of mr. orbán and the position of hungary are really so useless, considering that hungarians themselves are actually more than half as it became known according to the statistics provided by the website of the european parliament, they support the european union's aid to ukraine and, nevertheless , this divisiveness with the policy of official budapest , why is it so? the company is actually no longer connected with anything material. is it really some kind of political controversy? is it still connected with some kind of financial bonuses coming from russia? well, of course

there are certain connections, we can see at what price russia sells energy carriers hungary and the rest of europe. that is , it is obvious that there is an economic benefit. but i believe that the hungarians have ideological motives here first of all. hungary well, i call it a country where trumpism won, but in the united states, trumpism is already on asparagus. in in hungary, here is trump precisely by ideology, and that trump, they are very close to that ideology , oh, america forest, now, oh, hungary , oh, well, as they say, first of all, yes, and that's why it's such an ideology of selfishness, the ideology of oh, well, instead of solidarity, here's europe plus it

is based on the idea of ​​solidarity and where there are sincere ideas of what to become, what was before the founding of the european union, this is a turned page . we do not live in the past, and hungary lives a little in the past . in in principle, it is also not an enemy, was not an enemy of russia, which if it tried to somehow play such a neutral role. this is how it looks, and it is very true. it seems to me that hungary, in terms of foreign policy, in terms of reputation, is losing a lot by being such a pair of such a pair in europe, european unity , this is very important in the context of support for ukraine, that's why i want to find out to what extent this trade of theirs is internal - it's

their business, but to what extent they are able to split this european unity, which i 'm sure is a dream mr. putin is in the corner, no definitely no, that is, hungary will not be split in order to split european unity. it must be in the european mainstream. hungary is not in the european. it is located completely on the edge, that is why it is a european province. yes, it is not a province. i mean, ideologically, it is a matter of fact. that is why i do not want to condemn this country, and even more so if i now have the official status of the ministry of foreign affairs, as i speak my opinion, i believe that this is hungary's position of trying to be with ukraine and at the same time, with russia, in principle, it does not give anything to europe or to hungary itself, but it will not give anything to russia in the end. well , by the way, this is a paradox for an ordinary hungarian, on the one hand, the majority will support the country, and on the

other hand, 70% of support has orban, who declares a completely different policy, if we look at the statistics of support for ukraine among european countries that you have prepared, let's show the audience and discuss how it changes from the geographical distance from ukraine to the level of support for us among the european residents of european countries , the editors will now show a very, very interesting statistic: 74% of citizens of the european union generally approve of support for ukraine, etc. look, yes , bulgaria is bulgaria, bulgaria is a country, and bulgaria is also slovakia, greece. they have the lowest level of support for ukraine anyway about half 49-48% - this is literally with other countries . among the citizens, we are given the greatest support by the residents of the northern countries, and

finland, the capital, and also, of course, our closest neighbors - this is poland, lithuania, latvia - it is clear that the countries that were previously in the zone of influence and other scandinavian countries in finland, who were in the zone of influence of the soviet union and bulgaria, slovakia itself , for some reason they give ukraine fewer votes of support, how can i explain in general, give the figure if we are talking about exactly, not about support of citizens about financial aid, that is the country that is in the first place in terms of aid to ukraine based on the level of gdp you know which is very interesting no no my couple about their homeland estonia i am very proud that it is the only one yes percent of their gdp are directed to help ukraine to ukrainians, and this is extremely comforting because this country, apparently, and all the baltic countries, remember very well what

the annexation of the 1940s is, what the enslavement by the soviet union is, that's why they are very they know very well what exactly they do, what exactly they give, they forgot the introduction of troops into czechoslovakia when the ussr was very supportive, but with words the situation is a little different. of the european union to support ukraine to help ukraine than, for example, in west germany mr. oleksandrovych, why is there such a geographical geographic misunderstanding of the level of support for ukraine, and what does it look like with these statistics for me, it is also a mystery, why is hungary, which survived soviet aggression, which is real well, it was occupied by the soviet union already after the second world war, and it occupies such a place there. that is, it does not belong

to the outsiders according to this list, but in principle, well , slovakia itself is next to us, which i experienced exactly that and so below. well, maybe it's just some uh, such a sample of statistics. maybe if we conduct 3-4 such surveys, there will be some other sofas, yes, yes, yes, but i want to ask about uh, you already mentioned masha in the ninth package of sanctions, the ban on european union officials and representatives to work in russian companies, and we, at the beginning of the war, for us, it was such a really big discovery that it turns out that a large number of retired european officials who worked in high positions after their dismissal received received seats in various supervisory boards of russian companies. they received insane amounts of money there, did nothing and would have some nominal positions that were

used by russia in order to promote their interests. understood what kind of mechanism it is, but i'm sorry , even for europeans, money is money, you understand, in europe, in the west, politicians are not the same as in ukraine or the post-soviet space, that is, today you are a politician presidents, prime ministers, and tomorrow you will cease to be him, and you will also have the question of what to live for, but for some reason this question does not arise for ukrainian former ministers or prime ministers, to have time to die to spend it all, well, we better let's generalize, but there is, but it happens like this, well , for the most part, people don't think about it, they do n't ask themselves this question, but in europe, in

principle, this question comes up and russia, in principle, very much, she says well, we don't ask anything from you, we don't need anything just what kind of person we want you to be equipped with and so on, do you have such experience. maybe someday you will help us with something, that is, and here is a huge salary for you in the supervisory council there or in the russian railway or in the nervous system or but it was very interesting there. i was very interested to observe how various austrian politicians who were on these supervisory boards behaved when the active phase began, that is, the former austrian chancellor christian kern, who was on the supervisory board of the railway company i'm in the second or third the other day, he wrote an e

-mail message saying that mr. ambassador, i am leaving, i fully support it. it is absolutely barbaric and so on, that is, he. well, i don’t know. i was just extremely moved by the fact that he did something so simple, and another former austrian chancellor, chancellor schüssel, ah, that’s his i almost managed to drag him out of the management of the supervisory board, where he was , because he thinks that everything is fine. he drove politics, you know how a person drives with

this cart through the supermarkets, this is how he takes this. the institution of reputation still really matters and what you said actually really works because there may be sanctions even the fact that the neighbors in the house do not greet you and it is difficult for us russians to understand i don't understand at all. but nevertheless, it really works in europe. i've seen it more than once. and it's very good, because really, after that, you don't immediately go somewhere to the maldives, but to an eternal vacation until you die, and you have to work somewhere in some company where you ask why did you play along with putin when there was bloodshed in ukraine? well, i wonder why they didn't begin to realize this in the 14th year , but only now did they understand, but well, you explained because they, well, more than anything else, i recently realized myself because those who fine russians know, of course they understand how they

think, how they behave, why are they so different, let's put it mildly, but europeans don't understand this, because they perceive themselves as other civilized people who simply have a different point of view and need to be listened to and then, in the course of the dialogue, we must somehow find a compromise solution, and they constantly push us into this dialogue and into this compromise, we explain to them that it is impossible, what do you mean, you are dealing with the savages of the 21st century and you cannot agree on anything with them i would say golda meyer, our enemies want to see us 2 m underground, and we want to live in this dilemma, in which there is not much room for compromise, but actually we have the same dilemma now, they want to look like they are civilized and they really have for many years they could put dust in the eyes of the europeans, but the europeans have been doing it for many years. now it

turns out that this is not the case, but for the europeans it was an epiphany. well, unfortunately, it was too late and it cost us many lives. they are now globally engulfing the countries of the global they are trying to work with africa and the countries of latin america. in our last broadcast, there was love. tsibulska, who is engaged in information security, is constantly traveling to international conferences at the un and they say that the diplomats of these global cock countries are constantly approaching our representatives. and he said such words, you know, the representatives of the russian delegation approached us, and they are actually very scared of the situation that is developing, and they don't want this of a terrible war, but they are in such a state that they do not know how to find a way out, they really want to find peace, and that is why they turn to us as mediators for help

us to establish contact with ukrainian representatives, because we want peace, we really do not want a continuation of the war, but everything is developing so terribly now that we don't know how to approach this topic , several territories were torn apart, tens of thousands of people were killed, and now they want a dialogue about what could go wrong. in this excellent plan, representatives of diplomacy in these countries of the global rooster in full seriousness are trying to reconcile everyone in well, let's talk, they turned to us, you're here, we're here, we're ready to be mediators, let's look for us, and ours are talking, well, seriously, that is , you, you take seriously what russia says, that is, russia has simply replaced the job market with europeans to the market of work with the countries of africa, latin america and trying to develop this project, which relies on russian money, to seek this support and explanation that not everything is so clear, then he wants everyone

i have such an explanation for what is happening, that he believes that any method is good if it is possible to delay time and at this time prepare the necessary forces in order to make the next move, the next attack on ukraine, and whether he will be able to survive and waiting for such a favorable situation in europe to split its unity is actually my question to you. it will not split either europe or the west, but the factor that the global south is standing somewhere in the middle is a problem. and if you look now, listen the speeches of russian diplomats and putin himself are often speeches in the same spirit in which gaddafi or some other african leaders spoke some years ago 20 therefore, that is, the imperialism of trying to

take over the resources of the world and so on and so on. well, to be honest, i know i talked with one of my friends who knows africa very well, he says, you know, uh, africans now have a little bit of a feeling of this. well, it's a feeling of unhappiness, but it's such a feeling . well, make peace, we will mediators, and now a war has started in europe, and we will tell you now. and you will see how easy it is to end the war, that is, why am i saying that uh, hmm, africans, they are, in principle, well, the global south. let's say that latin america is also there, asia but i primarily look at africa because i am active on twitter and i have african accounts on twitter, they really

influence the global south. side how much is on our side on our side is the global event therefore , after all, we will win, but still we noticed that mr. macron, the president of france, has recently resumed his negotiating activity, why did it suddenly seem that these negotiations have already stopped and these calls have started again statements that you need some guarantees of russia's security, eh, what happened to him, who bit him again? well, someone from the supervisory board, no, really . on the one hand, what they consider correct, historically correct, politically correct, and

on the other hand, they do what their voters expect from them, and the european elections are at least french. war, diplomacy must have its say, let's end the ceasefire and so on. that is, it sells very well, especially since france has very strong positions . he is basically on the left spectrum, he is on our side, but he is radically left. they are getting closer to putin. there is a big community there. well, these emigrants from north africa, who also, in principle, do not feel very well and understand what this war is about, that is why he has as an elected a politician, he has to take certain steps that his electorate perceives normally, but internally, it seems to me that he absolutely understands what needs to be done, he is doing

it . decisions and decisions of the big seven, and france supports them consistently, so you don’t have to worry too much about the fact that he will sometimes call putin . i want peace. we don't want to fight. we don't fight at all. we protect people, but globally, we don't want war. and he is so, well, he started to disperse that in the world, the same countries of the global cock. they began to believe in it, and if the whole other world the same europe yes she well what can we say in these conditions no we want war yes yes putin wants to hear these theses in order to once again start talking i want war they i want peace they want war yes well who is the aggressor here who

attacked whom that's why it seems to me that when macron says such things, they are serving aveska, yes, that is, he is saying one thing, and the european union continues to conduct its policy and move in the direction of supporting ukraine, and it is safer to make a statement from the jsman countries, which recently emphasized what they see all these crimes are committed personally by mr. putin and they will definitely seek his personal responsibility for everything that was done in ukraine and the restoration of ukraine to be done at the expense of russian money, this is also mentioned in this statement. and this is very important because the money for the restoration of ukraine to us will be needed, why do we talk so much about the european union, because i think that in the near future, in the 23rd or 24th year, we will still be members of this community. therefore, we need to understand that what happens there, how it was built and what

changes are waiting for us there, when we become full members of the european union . a night's watchful dream vasylivna, i am ventilinska oleksandr shcherba, we were visiting. see you on the air. dear ukrainians, this is the new year. we welcome it differently than we used to, but we have what to be proud of, we are more united than ever and are giving a worthy rebuff to the enemy, we have shown the world what courage is in this new year's holiday, many families will not be together, but no one will be left alone. and there are foreign ukrainians. it hurts us to remember the events of the year, but now we know what ukrainians are capable of, steel people with warm

hearts, give us the future, but our faith in ukraine is not with you, together we will overcome any challenges and obstacles, let us not be frightened by the darkness and coldly give each other your attention and support, today the main thing is not the glow of garlands, but the light that we carry in in the new year, we will do everything to make our common home cozy again, we will not get tired